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Cleveland Cavaliers vs Utah Jazz - Full Game - 21/01/2015
Published on Jan 22, 2015
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Published on Jan 22, 2015
First Half: http://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/kFUIw6z6309tgo9VhPh
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That line up is big and athletic everyone is listed is over 6'5 and weighing at least 220 and a legit big man in the middle, not only that they all can play good defense. Now compare that to the under sized line up with two gaurds at 6.3 and 6.4, no center and only a then injured LeBron being athletic and a good defender..
On paper the only team that can match a lineup that size is the Bulls when they play Gasol, Noel, Hinrich, Butler and Gibson but even that team would lack the athleticism of Smith, Shumpert, James, Thompson and T Mo..
Ummm I'll go with the Blazers as matching while getting production from their size
you talking bout strictly in the east right? lol
nah he's only talking bout in the east. and even then the wizards aren't a small team.
Atlanta would give your lineups all kinds of problems because they would space you out and make any size you have usless
Name a team you guys think can floor taller and more athletic players... Portland is close, but their big lineup is not their most athletic..
My point is one week the Cavs went from one of the smaller, less athletic teams to being able to put together one of the most bigger and most athletic teams in the nba. If there is another team bigger and more athletic, it wont be by much..
Thats where tall and athletic comes to play.. Because Shumpert and JR are good perimeter defenders and with so much size, it would be very difficult for the hawks to gain advantages with the pick and roll..
Before the Cavs got into trouble with the pick and roll when they switched up leaving a huge miss match the big problem the Hawks are going to have is trying to protect the paint and trying to slow down Irving and James..
Not so fast
Westbrook 6'3 vs Shumpert 6'5, Morrow 6'5 vs JR Smith 6'6, Durant 6'9 vs LeBron 6'9, Ibaka 6'10 vs Thompson 6'9, Adams 7'0 vs T-Mo 7'1..
yes so fast. 1st nobody is guarding westbrook in your lineup. nobody.
next durant is 6'10 or 6'11
to go with the 6'10 ibaka and 7' adams
westbrook ibaka and adams have a clear athletic advantage over their counterparts.. a clear one
I would throw Shumpert and LeBron on Westbrook in a min, got my heights from espn.com http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/okc/oklahoma-city-thunder Not trying to figure out if they are lying about their height or not, because if you do that then you have to assume that they are wrong about the Cavs height and so on... What you think they raise the height of the Cavs and shrink OKC on some weird conspiracy shit..
All I am saying is the Cavs went from one of the smaller less athletic lineups to one of the biggest most athletic in less than a week... It was followed by the comment that I never seen a team in the mist of the race change their dna so deep into the season..
I would throw Shumpert and LeBron on Westbrook in a min, got my heights from espn.com http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/okc/oklahoma-city-thunder Not trying to figure out if they are lying about their height or not, because if you do that then you have to assume that they are wrong about the Cavs height and so on... What you think they raise the height of the Cavs and shrink OKC on some weird conspiracy shit..
All I am saying is the Cavs went from one of the smaller less athletic lineups to one of the biggest most athletic in less than a week... It was followed by the comment that I never seen a team in the mist of the race change their dna so deep into the season..
No i think looking at Durant look tim duncan eye to eye might be more credible than numbers jotted down lol
OKC is not nearly as athletic or skilled as people think to me they still are a jump shooting team that is as good as their jump shot.. Westbrook is lights out athletic, but the rest of them are so tall that they can simply jump over you and grab the long rebounds after they miss.. The last few games proved that if you can match them with size it throws their shots way off, causing them to throw some of the ugliest bricks in the league..
They have done absolutely nothing to correct their problems that have plagued them over the past few seasons and when they play in the playoffs vs a team with a good half court set, all of their problems are going to plague them once again..
They have done absolutely nothing to correct their problems that have plagued them over the past few seasons and when they play in the playoffs vs a team with a good half court set, all of their problems are going to plague them once again..
How tall is JR Smith really or Thompson for that matter? See where I am going with this? Shit how do we even know Duncan is 7'0?
Yea your totally correct, I don't recall a team doing this much movement in a short time, that corrected they're weakest. But less no overlook what a healthy Lebron brings to the table.
At this point I'm wondering if there's a need for Ray Allen.
I think with the respect Lebron has for Ray, that could help the strengthening chemistry even more.
Just don't see the need for him, bug having that bullet on your side is always a blessing.
At this point I'm wondering if there's a need for Ray Allen.
I think with the respect Lebron has for Ray, that could help the strengthening chemistry even more.
Just don't see the need for him, bug having that bullet on your side is always a blessing.
They don't need Allen he is basically Mike Miller 2.0 at this point.. But perhaps they want him to give him a shot at a ring and for LeBron..
Yesterday I was watching OKC, this came to me...after watching a few plays where Waiters took his shots(he's what I would call a iso chucker), then Morrow drove to the land(which surprised me) then threw up a crazy shot....made me think damn they got some shooters over there...
I guess now where you have plays where Waiters would play iso then jack up a jumper, you got JR jacking up quick shots or moving the ball...
Yea that's why I said I don't see a need for him, but come playoff time you know...what's the deal. But this as a last second lineup would be scary.
Irving
Allen
Smith
James
Love
The difference between JR and Waiters is this, JR seems to have a better pulse to when he is hot and would often wait before he takes that shot... Even when he misses his shot looks makeable.. Waiters on the other hand shoots some of the worst looking bricks ever, sometimes they are so bad it sucks the momentum out of the whole team... Think about how many times he's chucked up a wild three only to have it got the other way for a made three, next thing you know the team is playing sloppy and turning over the ball left and right, now their 5 point lead has turned into a 7 point deficit with in a few mins..
With JR this has not happened not even once.. Vs the Wiz the game was close with Waiters in the game, and as soon as they took him out OKC ran away with it.. JR is also able to attack the back end of the defense, so when teams play that pseudo high zone (a tactic teams like to employ against LeBron) players like T-Mo, Thompson, Love and Smith are able to go back door down the baseline for the lob.. When they used to try it before, they would often get their shit blocked..
Now teams are going to have to start defending the baseline, plus the corner three shot, leaving only two guards up to to defend the paint..
With JR this has not happened not even once.. Vs the Wiz the game was close with Waiters in the game, and as soon as they took him out OKC ran away with it.. JR is also able to attack the back end of the defense, so when teams play that pseudo high zone (a tactic teams like to employ against LeBron) players like T-Mo, Thompson, Love and Smith are able to go back door down the baseline for the lob.. When they used to try it before, they would often get their shit blocked..
Now teams are going to have to start defending the baseline, plus the corner three shot, leaving only two guards up to to defend the paint..
Before who did the Cavs have to attack the baseline? Love (not enough ups), Andy (same as Love), Marion (butterfingers), Thompson (best option but still is clumsy at times), LeBron (was injured and drew too much attention), Irving (would often get killed in the process), Waiters (not athletic enough)..
Now they have T-Mo (his game specializes in this), A healthy LeBron (as good as anybody in the NBA), Thompson (with more space he seems less clumsy), Smith (still got those hops), and soon Shumpert (also athletic enough with long arms to attack the basket from the baseline). Now teams have to play a deeper zone closer to the baseline this is how you really open things up, jump shooting is not enough if they are able to cheat and not respect the baseline.
Remember this is exactly how the Heat lost to both the Mavs and the Spurs and was one of the main reasons why LeBron opted out of Miami...
Now they have T-Mo (his game specializes in this), A healthy LeBron (as good as anybody in the NBA), Thompson (with more space he seems less clumsy), Smith (still got those hops), and soon Shumpert (also athletic enough with long arms to attack the basket from the baseline). Now teams have to play a deeper zone closer to the baseline this is how you really open things up, jump shooting is not enough if they are able to cheat and not respect the baseline.
Remember this is exactly how the Heat lost to both the Mavs and the Spurs and was one of the main reasons why LeBron opted out of Miami...
Still hard to believe how they basically turned Waiters into Shump, Smith, and Mozgov.
Should be interesting Sunday against OKC. No excuses for either team. Coaching is an obvious issue for both squads, albeit for different reasons.
I think OKC window has closed to be honest..
that said I dont hope to see bills make excuses for them this year
Durant and Russ have gotten passes that other superstars never got
Durant and Russ have gotten passes that other superstars never got
ONe thing OKC has going for them is the Spurs look done... Duncan and Parker look like shells of themselves, with Gasol (the same Gasol that got man handled by T-Mo a few days ago) out jumping, and being way more physical than Duncan..
I don't know if they can turn it on, like they did in the past, the west just feels different this year..
With no Spurs, the only teams that can give OKC problems in the west are, the Warriors, but they play similar to OKC and the Thunder may beat them in a shoot out, Portland isn't ready, the Rockets has holes, the Mavs are interesting but can be had, and Memphis but do they have enough fire power..
That said its no sure thing OKC will even make the playoffs, because vs both the Heat and the Wiz there were plenty chinks (no asian) in that armor..
OKC is making the playoffs guy
Dont ever doubt that lol
Dont ever doubt that lol
Well there can be an injury, Phoenix or even N.O. can make a trade to step up their game, nothing is written in stone.. But they should make it, due to the fact that there are only, at best 5 teams that can match up with them in terms of size, and if you have to double up on KD you are doomed from the start..
OKC will suffer from the same problem they always have suffered from. Bad coaching and Westbrook is the dominate personality instead of Durant.
That said, as long as they get into the playoffs, they have a legit chance at the finals.
LeBron James visited Ray Allen in Miami to recruit him to the Cavaliers
Steve Mitchell-USA TODAY Sports
Right now the award for GM of the Year could either go to either Dave Griffin or LeBron James, depending on who is more responsible for the Cleveland Cavalier front office moves.1 ESPN’s Dave McMenamin has reported that the Cavaliers forward met with former teammate and currently retired shooting guard Ray Allen during James’ recent break from basketball to recover from knee and back pain to recruit Allen to join the Cavaliers.
While the principal reason LeBron James visited Miami during his recent two-week rest period was to seek out warmer weather while he rehabbed strains to his left knee and lower back, he also had another item on his agenda.
During James’ Miami jaunt, the four-time MVP met with free agent guard and former Miami Heat teammate Ray Allen in order to try and appeal to the league’s all-time leader in 3-pointers again about joining the Cavs this season, multiple sources told ESPN.com.
ESPN’s Ryen Rusillo previously reported that Ray Allen confided in teams to reach out to him in January, and that he would make his decision whether to return and to whom in February.2 Allen and James were teammates during much of James’ stint for the Miami Heat. James’ current teammates Mike Miller and James Jones have also been in contact with Allen, along with Cavaliers associate head coach Tyronn Lue.
Obviously, the addition of the NBA’s all-time leader in 3-pointers would be a welcome sight. Recent Cavalier additions J.R. Smith and Timofey Mozgov have proven to be valuable additions already in short time, and both have been prominent parts in the Cavs’ four-game winning streak, which continued Wednesday night with a 106-92 victory over the visiting Utah Jazz.
Steve Mitchell-USA TODAY Sports
Right now the award for GM of the Year could either go to either Dave Griffin or LeBron James, depending on who is more responsible for the Cleveland Cavalier front office moves.1 ESPN’s Dave McMenamin has reported that the Cavaliers forward met with former teammate and currently retired shooting guard Ray Allen during James’ recent break from basketball to recover from knee and back pain to recruit Allen to join the Cavaliers.
While the principal reason LeBron James visited Miami during his recent two-week rest period was to seek out warmer weather while he rehabbed strains to his left knee and lower back, he also had another item on his agenda.
During James’ Miami jaunt, the four-time MVP met with free agent guard and former Miami Heat teammate Ray Allen in order to try and appeal to the league’s all-time leader in 3-pointers again about joining the Cavs this season, multiple sources told ESPN.com.
ESPN’s Ryen Rusillo previously reported that Ray Allen confided in teams to reach out to him in January, and that he would make his decision whether to return and to whom in February.2 Allen and James were teammates during much of James’ stint for the Miami Heat. James’ current teammates Mike Miller and James Jones have also been in contact with Allen, along with Cavaliers associate head coach Tyronn Lue.
Obviously, the addition of the NBA’s all-time leader in 3-pointers would be a welcome sight. Recent Cavalier additions J.R. Smith and Timofey Mozgov have proven to be valuable additions already in short time, and both have been prominent parts in the Cavs’ four-game winning streak, which continued Wednesday night with a 106-92 victory over the visiting Utah Jazz.
it really comes down to the fact that Durant and Westbrook are superb talents who BOTH have questionable shot selection....
heck it can win you a lot of games...in fact it can win you most games...it can even win you a title
but things have to break right for them and a disciplined team can outexecute them from time to time
Iman Shumpert to make his Cavalier debut tonight against Charlotte Hornets
CLEVELAND, Ohio – Recovered from a dislocated left shoulder, guard Iman Shumpert will make his debut as a Cavalier off the bench tonight against the Charlotte Hornets at The Q.
The Cavaliers acquired Shumpert, along with J.R. Smith, from the New York Knicks on Jan. 6 as part of a three-team swap. He has been out with a shoulder injury since Dec. 12.
Shumpert, 24, is expected to provide defensive toughness on the perimeter. He was one of the franchise's prime targets to improve its point-of-entry defense. His ability to focus primarily on the opponent's go-to perimeter scorer should free up LeBron James on the offensive end.
In 24 games this season, Shumpert is averaging 9.3 points, 3.4 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.3 steals in 26.0 minutes.
Charlotte has won seven of its last nine games. Cleveland is 2-0 against Charlotte this season.
CLEVELAND, Ohio – Recovered from a dislocated left shoulder, guard Iman Shumpert will make his debut as a Cavalier off the bench tonight against the Charlotte Hornets at The Q.
The Cavaliers acquired Shumpert, along with J.R. Smith, from the New York Knicks on Jan. 6 as part of a three-team swap. He has been out with a shoulder injury since Dec. 12.
Shumpert, 24, is expected to provide defensive toughness on the perimeter. He was one of the franchise's prime targets to improve its point-of-entry defense. His ability to focus primarily on the opponent's go-to perimeter scorer should free up LeBron James on the offensive end.
In 24 games this season, Shumpert is averaging 9.3 points, 3.4 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.3 steals in 26.0 minutes.
Charlotte has won seven of its last nine games. Cleveland is 2-0 against Charlotte this season.
Iman Shumpert to make his Cavalier debut tonight against Charlotte Hornets
CLEVELAND, Ohio – Recovered from a dislocated left shoulder, guard Iman Shumpert will make his debut as a Cavalier off the bench tonight against the Charlotte Hornets at The Q.
The Cavaliers acquired Shumpert, along with J.R. Smith, from the New York Knicks on Jan. 6 as part of a three-team swap. He has been out with a shoulder injury since Dec. 12.
Shumpert, 24, is expected to provide defensive toughness on the perimeter. He was one of the franchise's prime targets to improve its point-of-entry defense. His ability to focus primarily on the opponent's go-to perimeter scorer should free up LeBron James on the offensive end.
In 24 games this season, Shumpert is averaging 9.3 points, 3.4 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.3 steals in 26.0 minutes.
Charlotte has won seven of its last nine games. Cleveland is 2-0 against Charlotte this season.
CLEVELAND, Ohio – Recovered from a dislocated left shoulder, guard Iman Shumpert will make his debut as a Cavalier off the bench tonight against the Charlotte Hornets at The Q.
The Cavaliers acquired Shumpert, along with J.R. Smith, from the New York Knicks on Jan. 6 as part of a three-team swap. He has been out with a shoulder injury since Dec. 12.
Shumpert, 24, is expected to provide defensive toughness on the perimeter. He was one of the franchise's prime targets to improve its point-of-entry defense. His ability to focus primarily on the opponent's go-to perimeter scorer should free up LeBron James on the offensive end.
In 24 games this season, Shumpert is averaging 9.3 points, 3.4 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.3 steals in 26.0 minutes.
Charlotte has won seven of its last nine games. Cleveland is 2-0 against Charlotte this season.
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