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Westbrook is Westbrook and he aint going to never change, Irving on the other hand is just now coming to his own and finally learning to play the game.. With him the sky is the limit..

Going through that 1-8 shit without the king helped. You know he pays attention to people saying team ain't shit without Lebron. He didn't get voted to start the all-star game.

Now he got new life after the trade. Stepped up his defensive effort because he has more back.

Kyrie was hitting game winners before people were paying attention to the Cavs. He definitely has it in him. I just was worried when both he was hijacking the offense. But he has been much better and that's with the addition of shoot first, think about it later JR.
 
It is what is it lmaooo

I'll take Lillard over Kyrie any day of the week

With that said Kyrie got that wip wap no denying that

I feel you. I do see an evolution with Kyrie lately though, and even last night, it wasn't like he was dribbling down the shot clo k freelancing, a lot of his buckets came from getting the ball back in the flow of the offense. In theory, Lillard has had much better teams around him so now that Kyrie has a better team around him, I'm gonna reserve judgement until I see what Kyrie can do on equal ground with Lillard.
 
Westbrook is Westbrook and he aint going to never change, Irving on the other hand is just now coming to his own and finally learning to play the game.. With him the sky is the limit..

That's all I'm saying. Westbrook is a beast but more an athletic beast than a skill on . IMO Kyrie shuts on him fundamentally, and now with a real team around him has much more upside than Westbrook.
 
I feel you. I do see an evolution with Kyrie lately though, and even last night, it wasn't like he was dribbling down the shot clo k freelancing, a lot of his buckets came from getting the ball back in the flow of the offense. In theory, Lillard has had much better teams around him so now that Kyrie has a better team around him, I'm gonna reserve judgement until I see what Kyrie can do on equal ground with Lillard.

What's frustrating with Kyrie is that he knows how to play when he wants to. He's shown it when he played FIBA. He's shown it with this incarnation of the Cavs.

It's just getting him to do it consistently. Once he gets his mind right, he's as good as it gets in the backcourt.

I'm seeing Waiters is starting to have the same problems in OKC. Damn I was wrong about him. He's hasn't produced that well with two great supporting casts.
 
What's frustrating with Kyrie is that he knows how to play when he wants to. He's shown it when he played FIBA. He's shown it with this incarnation of the Cavs.

It's just getting him to do it consistently. Once he gets his mind right, he's as good as it gets in the backcourt.

I'm seeing Waiters is starting to have the same problems in OKC. Damn I was wrong about him. He's hasn't produced that well with two great supporting casts.

Yep, and everybody blamed Kyrie for Waiters struggles. That's what having an inflated sense of self with do for you... Who is he going to blame now.

As far as Kyrie goes, what he's showing now is who he can become. It's easy to say Lillard is better, because he's been in the playoffs, etc., BUT he's had a better team around him...

To me its the Rondo syndrome, sure, Rondo is a great player, but it didn't help to come into the league and play alongside of Garnett, Allen and Pierce in their primes either. Even though he's on a decent team in Dallas, he's not made the impact many thought he would...

If Kyrie keeps playing like this, and the Chemistry of the Cavs keeps growing, they will be tough to beat, especially coming out of the east... AND they are defending! Held a healthy Blazers team to 94 pts WITH Aldridge going off for 38... Somebody is playing defense... :yes:
 
With Irving his problem has always been that he was too cocky and would over dribble and over show off just to prove to people he was so good..
With LeBron as his mentor, he is now learning the difference between being cocky and being confidence, often with cocky players if they fail they tend to get embarrassed and wind up digging themselves in a hole over compensating due to the shame... With confident players they tend not to rush or force the issue, and even if they fuck up they know all they have to do is stick to the script and their game would come back to them... Just imagine what Irving would have done if he were to start the game going 0 for 7 a month ago..
 
That's all I'm saying. Westbrook is a beast but more an athletic beast than a skill on . IMO Kyrie shuts on him fundamentally, and now with a real team around him has much more upside than Westbrook.

People complain about Westbrook not being a point guard while managing to dish out 7 assists a night
 
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Yep, and everybody blamed Kyrie for Waiters struggles. That's what having an inflated sense of self with do for you... Who is he going to blame now.

As far as Kyrie goes, what he's showing now is who he can become. It's easy to say Lillard is better, because he's been in the playoffs, etc., BUT he's had a better team around him...

To me its the Rondo syndrome, sure, Rondo is a great player, but it didn't help to come into the league and play alongside of Garnett, Allen and Pierce in their primes either. Even though he's on a decent team in Dallas, he's not made the impact many thought he would...

If Kyrie keeps playing like this, and the Chemistry of the Cavs keeps growing, they will be tough to beat, especially coming out of the east... AND they are defending! Held a healthy Blazers team to 94 pts WITH Aldridge going off for 38... Somebody is playing defense... :yes:

Lillard is the leader of that team, Aldridge and them were on the team and not making noise, always being a player away and shit. Lillard came and put them into where they are now not the other way around.

Kyrie is a good guard but that don't give him a pass for not impacting the team more positively than he has.

what's not being talked about is love is a total wash at this point. i don't know if that's going to change or not
 
Westbrook is Westbrook and he aint going to never change, Irving on the other hand is just now coming to his own and finally learning to play the game.. With him the sky is the limit..

He's not going to change with Brooks as the coach you're absolutely right. The thunder improved because of the talent and work ethic of their players not because of coaching instructions.

They're penalized for being with a dweeb as their head coach and a GM that's equally a dweeb who broke up what could have been a once in a generation type team that was all drafted together, for what ended up being absolutely nothing.

Westbrook doesn't even know how to play or what to do he's just winging it with no direction. Thunder should've fired Brooks and hired Mark Jackson as soon as the warriors let him go. This would be a different thunder team and a better thunder team. Look what Mark did for Steph curry and his development.
 
And Kyrie has gone through the same thing, no solid coaching to get him to play the right way.

None of these dudes are getting it. James Harden either. He's doing the same thing he was on the thunder he just doesn't have to share shots or minutes so the points are magnified
 
And Kyrie has gone through the same thing, no solid coaching to get him to play the right way.

None of these dudes are getting it. James Harden either. He's doing the same thing he was on the thunder he just doesn't have to share shots or minutes so the points are magnified

The biggest thing Irving has going for him is that he is no longer the point on the team, nor does he have to play in the shadow of LeBron, something that has plagued him since his rookie season.. For the first time in his career he is free to be who he is, and now that he has this role and knows he can play the role while helping the team win, all I can see from him is growth. Plus unlike Durant and Westbrook, LeBron and Irving don't have to fight for shots, instead they complement each other allowing them to take advantage of each unique approach to the game..
With Durant and Westbrook, their game is so similar that often they are fighting each other for shots..
 
And Kyrie has gone through the same thing, no solid coaching to get him to play the right way.

None of these dudes are getting it. James Harden either. He's doing the same thing he was on the thunder he just doesn't have to share shots or minutes so the points are magnified

The biggest thing Irving has going for him is that he is no longer the point on the team, nor does he have to play in the shadow of LeBron, something that has plagued him since his rookie season.. For the first time in his career he is free to be who he is, and now that he has this role and knows he can play the role while helping the team win, all I can see from him is growth. Plus unlike Durant and Westbrook, LeBron and Irving don't have to fight for shots, instead they complement each other allowing them to take advantage of each unique approach to the game..
With Durant and Westbrook, their game is so similar that often they are fighting each other for key shots..
 
impact

stop fronting like you don't understand what im saying

Love is doing what third wheels do. At least James doesn't have to lead the team in rebounding. It was unreal what he did in Miami. Led the team in scoring, assists, and rebounding. Holy shit.

But you're right, if Love continues to play like this, Irving will have to be more like Wade if Lebron wants his championship. He sure as hell wasn't winning them in Miami because of Bosh. 12 and 14 points with 7 rebounds isn't really that great during playoff runs.

As I said, bosh and love are basically washes. They really aren't impacting the game like that. Once in a while, they are good for sparks. But usually they just put up their 17 points with Lebron and that's that(with more defense from Bosh and more rebounding from Love).

Bosh just had an easier transition in Miami due to Wade and Riles. Wade had his game down. Kyrie is learning. Riles kept James from running the asylum.
 
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The Cleveland Cavaliers suffered through their worst stretch the last time LeBron James missed an extended period.

Kyrie Irving seems intent on not letting that happen again -- even if Cleveland is also without Kevin Love.

Coming off the highest-scoring effort in the NBA this season, Irving will try to lead the banged-up Cavaliers to their longest winning streak in five years when they host the Sacramento Kings on Friday night.

Cleveland (27-20) had good reason to be concerned when it learned James could miss several games with a sprained right wrist sustained in Tuesday's 103-95 win at Detroit.

James, who is doubtful, had averaged 30.5 points, 6.8 rebounds and 6.4 assists in eight games to follow a stretch in which the Cavaliers dropped seven of eight while he was sidelined with knee and back soreness.

Cleveland was 1-8 without James this season before its star point guard took matters into his own hands Wednesday.

Irving scored 55 points -- a Quicken Loans Arena record -- to carry the Cavaliers to their eighth straight win, 99-94 over Portland. He made a franchise-best 11 3-pointers and hit a go-ahead jumper with 6.4 seconds left.

Only James, who scored 56 at Toronto in 2005, has put up more points in a game for Cleveland.

"I've seen a lot of great performances," coach David Blatt said. "But something quite like that? No. I have not seen that and I've been coaching a long time."

Irving has totaled 93 points while going 17 for 29 from 3-point range and 16 for 16 from the foul line in the past two games. He's shot 7 for 13 from 3-point range in his last two against Sacramento, though he's averaged only 13.7 points over the past three matchups.

Continuing his high-scoring ways could be all the more critical if Love has to miss time after fighting through a knee injury Wednesday. Love, who is day to day, has averaged 27.7 points in his last six meetings with the Kings, but he's scored a combined 17 and shot 6 for 26 in the previous two games.

Love finished with 25 points and 10 rebounds and Irving scored 21 in a 103-84 loss at Sacramento on Jan. 11, when the Cavaliers played without James, Iman Shumpert and Shawn Marion.

Cleveland has averaged 111.3 points over the past seven games, though it has only reached 100 once without James this season. That could change as the club tries for its longest winning streak since a 13-game run Jan. 16-Feb. 11, 2010.

The Kings (16-28) have allowed an average of 122.5 points and 34 of 74 shooting from 3-point range in the last two of a seven-game losing streak. They've given up 113.1 points in their past eight on the road.

"Take pride in playing one-on-one defense, that'll solve a lot of problems," said center DeMarcus Cousins, who wasn't initially named as an All-Star reserve but on Friday was picked to replace the injured Kobe Bryant.

Sacramento is looking to avoid its longest skid since December 2010 following Wednesday's 119-102 defeat at Toronto, as Cousins struggled to a 13-point, four-rebound, nine-turnover performance.

He had 26 points, 13 rebounds, five assists, four steals and three blocks in the first matchup with the Cavs.
 
Love is a fraud

Nigga get his ass smoked by real PF's but he always come to play when it's a bum PF on a bum ass team :lol:
 
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(AP) -- In six seasons in Minnesota, Kevin Love witnessed how warmly the fans greeted former Timberwolves star Kevin Garnett each time he came back to town.

On the eve of Love's first game back at Target Center since he was traded to Cleveland last summer, the second-best player in franchise history isn't expecting the same kind of reception.

"Truthfully? Boooo," Love said Friday when asked by Cleveland reporters about what kind of environment he expected on Saturday night in Minnesota. "Probably more of that than a mix of cheers."

Those boos may have more venom given the Cavaliers are playing their best basketball of the season with a current nine-game win streak that exceeds the NBA-worst Wolves' win total for the season (8).

"Nobody wants to be last," Nikola Pekovic said after Minnesota's 103-94 loss to Philadelphia on Friday. "Everybody wants to win games. I think that's why you play sports because you want to win. You can work in an office and have a regular job and go finish your paperwork and go home. You don't have to win anything. We like to compete. We're born competitors. I still believe in this team and have lots of pride to show."

Love came to Minnesota in a draft-night trade in 2008, and eventually supplanted Garnett as the face of the franchise. With a strong work ethic, he turned himself into a three-time All-Star and an Olympic gold medalist. He interacted with fans who had jumped off the bandwagon when Garnett was traded.

But unlike Garnett, who took the Timberwolves to the playoffs eight times and was named MVP in 2004 while leading them to the Western Conference finals, Love never made it to the postseason.

Management consistently failed to surround Love with enough talent to compete in the powerful West. Blunders were committed in the draft (Jonny Flynn over Steph Curry in 2009, Wes Johnson over DeMarcus Cousins in 2010), in trades and free agency (Michael Beasley, Darko Milicic, J.J. Barea) and with coaches (Randy Wittman, Kurt Rambis) and general managers (David Kahn).

All of those failures, coupled with injuries to Ricky Rubio and Love, contributed to 323 losses in Love's six seasons with the Wolves.

"I think it could've gone better with what we had if we had been a little bit luckier (with injuries)," Wolves owner Glen Taylor said. "There's a lot of things. Maybe if we drafted better and did some things, but we did what we did. It isn't Kevin's fault. Maybe we shouldn't have made some decisions we made. I don't know what to say about that. I wish we would've done better."

While Love deserves credit for transforming himself from a doughy UCLA freshman to a sculpted offensive force in the NBA, he also carries some responsibility for the Wolves' failures.

The relationship soured in 2012, when Kahn refused to give Love a five-year maximum contract extension. Love signed a four-year deal with an opt-out after three seasons and didn't hide his disappointment.

He carried the grudge for the next 2 1/2 seasons, turning from a funny, engaging public personality into a sullen figure on the court and in the locker room. Love requested a trade at the end of last season and a tour of Boston early in the summer didn't sit well with fans back in Minnesota.

"Minnesota people are pretty loyal. You turn on Minnesota, they don't forgive you," president and coach Flip Saunders said in December. "So I think people probably appreciated him while he was here. But you leave under the terms that he did, just the way Minnesota people are, they're not pretty forgiving along those lines."

The Cavaliers (28-20) sent No. 1 overall draft pick Andrew Wiggins and Anthony Bennett to Minnesota in a three-team deal that also netted the Wolves Thaddeus Young to get Love. The Wolves (8-38) again are plagued by injuries, but Wiggins' development has them hopeful they have found a dynamic, two-way player to team with Rubio.

"We needed a player that we get to the end of the game and we give him the ball and the other team says, 'Holy cow, he's going to be hard to stop because we don't know what he's going to do," Taylor said. "We just haven't had that guy. Kevin Love ... he couldn't do that by himself and the other team could guard it pretty well at the end of the game because they knew what he was going to do."

Love has gone through expected adjustments in his first year on a team with championship aspirations. He is the third option behind LeBron James and Kyrie Irving and failed to make the All-Star team as his numbers have taken a sizable dip.

But he primed himself for this game well, totaling 23 points and 10 rebounds as Cleveland beat Sacramento 101-90 on Friday night and is enjoying its longest win streak since a 13-game run from Jan. 16-Feb. 11, 2010.

"I'm sure once I get there, it will be a little different feeling for me," Love said. "Obviously playing on the visitor's side, going into the visitor's locker room, going to the different bench. But I haven't really given it too much thought, and luckily we're on a winning streak right now, so that's really what's first and foremost."

James returned after a one-game absence due to a sprained right wrist and had 19 points in 33 minutes and admitted his wrist isn't 100 percent yet.

Friday's loss denied Minnesota back-to-back wins for the first time this season. Kevin Martin scored 19 points and Wiggins added 15 for the Wolves, who are 4-18 at home.
 
Just was waiting for more hate on Cavs players. Comes in victories. Comes in loses. It just never ceases. This team could win 25 in a row, and it won't change.

Or a player playing on a night of back to back against a good team that hasnt played in a couple days scores 55 points but somehow it will be detrimental to the team down the road and he's still the last pg they would want on there team.
 
impact

stop fronting like you don't understand what im saying

Seriously... Impact in your definition is vague and subjective. You're entitled to your opinion, however, Bosh didn't put those types of numbers up during LeBron's tenure in Miami, nor is he blowing away Love in major statistical categories since being handled the mantle of being SO superior to Love, so...

Please explain :confused:
 
Seriously... Impact in your definition is vague and subjective. You're entitled to your opinion, however, Bosh didn't put those types of numbers up during LeBron's tenure in Miami, nor is he blowing away Love in major statistical categories since being handled the mantle of being SO superior to Love, so...

Please explain :confused:

It is subjective, but he is a Bosh fan. I'm not, nor am I a fan of Love. Wiggins would have basically guaranteed this team relevance for another 15 years. Almost every time I look at Love I think about that shit. :angry:But what's done is done.

Bosh and Love have similar 'impact' on the game. Similar stats. Similar PER. Anyone riding hard for one of these cats over the other is simply biased. Bosh = Love. Love = Bosh.

Again, I never wanted Love, but this Bosh shit is fucking ridiculous. If Wade gets hurt against Indiana, the Heat probably lose the series. With Bosh out, they win 4-2. :hmm: And when Cavs beat the Clippers without Love cats got the balls to talk. Miami won a series without Bosh and cats ain't got shit to say. Let the Cavs win a series against a team like Indiana without Love. Cats would shut BGOL down with the overrated CAC rants.

And it's funny how the Heat are 20-26 and Bosh isn't dominating shit. I knew with the games Wade would miss Bosh wasn't going to lead that team to shit but cats round here kept talking 50 games won. :lol: With Wade not being Wade anymore, James took about 20 wins with him to Cleveland.
 
To me they both don't get used properly...(love probably needs to play against The kings a few more games to get going)

Love haven't quite be used effectively but they have time...
Bosh we ain't gonna get into that shit...

They are very similar with but have different strengths.

Miami forced bosh to became a offensively Kevin Love.
Which fucked up his game, kinda like RoY Jones jumping all those weight classes...

Kevin love still trying to fit in, but let's say he finish the season with a line of 16/12 40% percent for deep, that's pretty damn good for being a 3rd/4th wheel(Jr. @ times is the 3rd musketeer). The only reason why I'm saying this about Smith is because the green light he seems to have.

So the Bosh/Love debate is crazy...but I'm keep it going...
What would each team look like if they switch places...

Cavs with Bosh
Miami with Love

Cavs probably have the best record in the East...
Miami probably a few less wins

Cavs:
Kryie
Smith
Lebron
Bosh
Timo

Heat:
Chamlers
Wade
Deng
Love
Whiteside
 
It is subjective, but he is a Bosh fan. I'm not, nor am I a fan of Love. Wiggins would have basically guaranteed this team relevance for another 15 years. Almost every time I look at Love I think about that shit. :angry:But what's done is done.

Bosh and Love have similar 'impact' on the game. Similar stats. Similar PER. Anyone riding hard for one of these cats over the other is simply biased. Bosh = Love. Love = Bosh.

Again, I never wanted Love, but this Bosh shit is fucking ridiculous. If Wade gets hurt against Indiana, the Heat probably lose the series. With Bosh out, they win 4-2. :hmm: And when Cavs beat the Clippers without Love cats got the balls to talk. Miami won a series without Bosh and cats ain't got shit to say. Let the Cavs win a series against a team like Indiana without Love. Cats would shut BGOL down with the overrated CAC rants.

And it's funny how the Heat are 20-26 and Bosh isn't dominating shit. I knew with the games Wade would miss Bosh wasn't going to lead that team to shit but cats round here kept talking 50 games won. :lol: With Wade not being Wade anymore, James took about 20 wins with him to Cleveland.

Hauled as with those wins bruh. The wildcard in this is Houston. They fucked up Miami by coming after Bosh, forcing them motherfuckers to overpay his ass. Dude was supposed to be the favorite for MVP, supposed to be better than he was in Toronto, just killin the east?! How the fucked do you go from that... to constantly being compared to a Third option? Miami abut to become Whiteside team, and D Wade is washed!!!

You shouldn't be mad at Love about Wiggins, should be pissed at LeBron, he orchestrated that shit!

Boh is ass right now! :lol:
 
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