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sakinnuso said:
Y'all buggin. Walt is the biggest asshole on the show. Walt's ego and pride is his downfall. That's why he slipped up and called his son Jesse. He's carrying that guilt. Walt treats Jesse like a son???? Please. Jesse NEEDs walt to be that, but walt betrayed Jesse long ago. walt's constant ignorance, belittling, and mistrust has driven a wedge that didnt take take much for Gus and mike to fill. Walt is an evil fuckin dude who is poisonous to the touch. That said, the acting is just mind boggling good all round.

Walt don't give a fuck about anybody but walt, and masks his pride and hubris behind this delusional truth that he's sacrificing for his family.

That speech about his dad that he gave to his son?? Wow. I thought his speech "the one who knocks" was beast, but the acting in that last monologue? Fire.

Love this fucking show.
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I've been telling my wife this the whole series. Walt is an evil self centered man.
 
lightweightplaya said:
let's no forget what Gus is/was. Everything he did had ulterior motives.
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i already acknowledged that gustavo was a criminal. scope and magnitude of his operations don't concern me. painting his character as a true villain for me is extreme.

gustavo was also a businessman, employer and philanthropist.

what makes gustavo a bigger villain than say, walt?
 
cranrab said:
deadwood was outstanding. robin weigert's transformation into calamity jane was a performance that has been unparalleled by any actress in the past decade.
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c/s - and the monologues in that show are nuts! all of the actors killed it, from Swearagin to Hearst... I don't think the dialogue in Spartacus' would be what it is, without Deadwood / Rome's influences
 
playahaitian said:
I AGREE with EVERY POINT...

but too say that the show is becoming wack because it centers on the main character makes no sense...

The reason ALL of these shows were considered great and classic is because of the anchors of the show, these anti-heroes...

And the OUTSTANDING ACTORS who portray them...

The sopranos become "wack" because the writers got bored and were reading so much of their own press and tried to make it "deeper"" then it was ..

and OBVIOUSLY never thought of an ending.

The Wire is one of the best (if not the best) because it was TRULY a novel and had a beginning and a middle and end with shifting leads and story arcs that were extraordinarily well thought out and performed.

Breaking Bad much like Mad Men, the Shield, The Wire touched a nerve with the public because at there core we can identify with the message ...

EVERY MAN who has been out of work or is stuck in a shitty job can identify with Walt...

We all WANT to be GUS but we identify with Walt...

We all wish secretly were were Vic in The Shield and cool like Don Draper...

but we identify with their weaknesses and darkness.

I actually cheered for Walt and was disappointed in JESSE for not being more loyal...

Because I can identify with Walt's plights with the economy and family and cancer and not Jesse a privileged white kid who squandered it on meth.

But I STILL agree with all your points...

And although I loved it Sopranos WAS OUTSTANDING...

but doesn't age well and is overrated.

I think Deadwood will be more appreciated over time as a MUCH slept on series.
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Damn I was with you until you mentioned that Jesse was not loyal. Jesse has been nothing if not loyal to Walt. Their relationship is like a father/son where the son is always looking to please his dad. Walt has NEVER had any confidence in Jesse, he's always looked down on him, and has had him do a lot of his dirty work.

Even with all of what Walt has put Jesse through, He still stood up for Walt and told Gus that if he killed Walt he would have to kill him too.
 
playahaitian said:
I AGREE with EVERY POINT...

but too say that the show is becoming wack because it centers on the main character makes no sense...

The reason ALL of these shows were considered great and classic is because of the anchors of the show, these anti-heroes...

And the OUTSTANDING ACTORS who portray them...

The sopranos become "wack" because the writers got bored and were reading so much of their own press and tried to make it "deeper"" then it was ..

and OBVIOUSLY never thought of an ending.

The Wire is one of the best (if not the best) because it was TRULY a novel and had a beginning and a middle and end with shifting leads and story arcs that were extraordinarily well thought out and performed.

Breaking Bad much like Mad Men, the Shield, The Wire touched a nerve with the public because at there core we can identify with the message ...

EVERY MAN who has been out of work or is stuck in a shitty job can identify with Walt...

We all WANT to be GUS but we identify with Walt...

We all wish secretly were were Vic in The Shield and cool like Don Draper...

but we identify with their weaknesses and darkness.

I actually cheered for Walt and was disappointed in JESSE for not being more loyal...

Because I can identify with Walt's plights with the economy and family and cancer and not Jesse a privileged white kid who squandered it on meth.

But I STILL agree with all your points...

And although I loved it Sopranos WAS OUTSTANDING...

but doesn't age well and is overrated.

I think Deadwood will be more appreciated over time as a MUCH slept on series.
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I gotta finish Deadwood. It lost me a bit after they killed Wild Bill. That was my favorite character. I also hear they didn't give Deadwood a proper ending. Show got canceled. They said they would give it a movie or something to end it. And it hasn't happened yet.

So far for me I see the shows I've watched as follows

The Sopranos: Great first three seasons. Last two fell off a bit. They brought in Furio as a total badass. Then he leaves for a stupid reason. Tony does his dumb dream sequences.

The Wire: First three seasons I rate as the best television I've ever watched. The way they moved from the cops, to the politicians, to the port and the unions was great. The school system and journalism wasn't bad. But I like Avon and Stringer much better than Marlo and his crew. Stringer Bell was one of the best villains on television. Avon I actually liked. He was a dealer, but he had some morals. Marlon was a mad dog and mad dog's get put down quick, even by other dealers. They don't walk away clean like Marlo. I gotta give them props for making a gay anti-hero I actually liked in Omar.

The Shield: I thought this show did the best job of creating a cohesive storyline that carried from the first episode of season 1 to the last episode of season 7. No series tied everything together better than The Shield. All the shit the Strike Team had done from the first epsiode season one to everything inbetween like robbing the Armenian money train, Shane killing Lem, Shane trying to sell Vic out, Aceveda sucking dick, and the like were all tied together in the last season and the last few episodes. The Strike Team fell hard for their corruption with Vic selling everyone out to save his own ass and losing his family, Shane cracking and doing himself and his family, and Ronnie heading to prison. That was the type of ending you believe even though it wasn't happy at all.

Breaking Bad: Interesting character study seeing how a regular guy like Walt goes from cancer stricken, desperate man to ruthless, cruel, do anything to survive drug dealer. Breaking Bad is Scarface with a suburban white male as the lead and his cancer, rather than abject poverty, being the reason he goes down the path he does. But he's still acting just like Scarface. Looking at his situation like some kind of game of him versus his enemies to see who is king of the hill and who can survive. There's certain moral lines he won't cross and he's utterly loyal to his family and Jesse like Scarface was loyal to his sister and Manny until Manny fucked his sister.

So I'm going to keep watching. I hope the writers stick with the plan and Walt goes down like Scarface. That's how it's gotta happen. It doesn't have to go down exactly like Scarface. But as far as the overall effect where a bunch of people are brutally destroyed including Walt and his family is how I see this shit going down. I hope the writers pay off my time. I don't want no happy, sitting in the diner, there might be a movie ending. That'll be weak.
 
Drayonis said:
I've been telling my wife this the whole series. Walt is an evil self centered man.
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yep. cuz walt is so evil and self-centered that he wrecked his relationship with gus and put his life on the line to help jesse when gus wanted to kill him.:rolleyes:
 
coolie569 said:
Damn I was with you until you mentioned that Jesse was not loyal. Jesse has been nothing if not loyal to Walt. Their relationship is like a father/son where the son is always looking to please his dad. Walt has NEVER had any confidence in Jesse, he's always looked down on him, and has had him do a lot of his dirty work.

Even with all of what Walt has put Jesse through, He still stood up for Walt and told Gus that if he killed Walt he would have to kill him too.
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walt wrecked his relationship with gus and risked his life to protect jesse.
 
Swizzie85 said:
Damn Walt Just watch Jessie girl die in her sleep :smh:
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:smh: Told yall this muthafucka sheisty!!
Helico-pterFunk said:
For sure. Should be some interesting creative minds writing up the final run of the series for 2012. So many ways you could bring Mike back.

- Bring him back to align with Walt and/or Jesse?
- Have him side with Jesse and take out Walt?
- Have him side with Walt and take out others?
- Walt die from cancer?
- Walt quiz the biz?
- Walt get blasted?
- Walt kill himself in despair after all that's gone on since he got into the meth game?
- The list goes on ...
- Definitely hope there's more HANK / WALT scenes though ... the tension is always great ... with Walt trying to remain 1 step ahead
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He need to team up with Walt and Jesse especially since his meal and lunch passes are gone with Gus and the lawyer! He gonna be the muscle:please: Just remembering what Mike told Walk outside the car @ his crib when the twins were on his ass, Walt its always good to have someone watch your back!! :idea: Hope the writers saw this. And Im tired of seeing Walt get his ass whupped!!:lol::lol:
 
I was talking with a friend and we mentioned the show to a mutual friend of ours as she had brought up being amped for the 2nd season of The Walking Dead this coming Sunday. Got her into Breaking Bad and told her why we dug the show ... and she watched season 1 - episodes 1 - 6 as a mini-marathon yesterday, and got back to us saying - "I really like Walt. I know that can't be good, right? I can't help it though ... he seems like a nice guy" :D - said she's loving the show already. We told her to stick with it well into seasons 3 and 4 and she'll see why it's so popular :D
 
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I may have to check out Deadwood...cats on here for the most part don't seem that into it tho...tried watching it once...but I think it was in the middle of the 1st/2nd season so of course I was bored and a lil lost
 
cranrab said:
would gustavo keep a video record of multiple felonies in progress on his property?
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Another thing that'll be interesting to see is how they wrap up the whole Los Pollos story arc/angle. With Hank having been hot on the trail of Jesse Pinkman in season 3 (prior to his parking lot shootout injuries) and even having gone so far as to have assaulted him (at Jesse's residence) ... and having also been trying to track down Gustavo Fring / Los Pollos in the latter half of season 4 ... makes you wonder what he'll uncover/discover moving forward with the deaths of Gus, Tyrus, and Hector at Casa Tranquila. Also, many are saying they think Walt having accidentally called his son "Jesse" (when his son came to visit, and Walt was recovering from his injuries sustained in the fight with Jesse) might come back to haunt him. What if Walt Jr' lets it slip (the name) when talking with his uncle? Also ... the final scene from episode 4 with Walt and Jesse shaking hands atop the parking garage. The camera angle and sight line down low ... many are noting it sounded like someone breathing or the faint click of a camera. Was someone watching them? One of Gus' men? What about the white guy who drove Gus and Tyrus that day? The one Gus said - "Wait here" to before he went inside to confront Hector thinking he would poison him? Did he hang around after the explosion? Did he see Walt parked off somewhere else in the parking lot (between the 2 dumpster bins)? Did he follow Walt? I have a suspicion season 5 will pick up with that guy somehow involved. The dude from this clip here ------->

http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/v...nes-episode-413-hector-has-a-surprise-for-gus
 
jesses' dumb ass asking walt, did gus

have to go? right after he was cooking meth @ gun point!

no you & gus had a great relationship @ that point.

gus a true gangster & gentleman.
 
:lol::lol::lol:

Niccas writing books analyzing this shit....wow....I know y'alls wives hate watching this shit with ya'll cause them women be missing everything and have to listen to ya'lls ass explain every detail
 
Leroy Soup Nutz said:
I may have to check out Deadwood...cats on here for the most part don't seem that into it tho...tried watching it once...but I think it was in the middle of the 1st/2nd season so of course I was bored and a lil lost
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I liked Deadwood a lot

I thought it was slept on. I wish it would have stayed on longer.

Rome was good to me too.
 
Complex said:
I liked Deadwood a lot

I thought it was slept on. I wish it would have stayed on longer.

Rome was good to me too.
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The 1st ep of Rome didn't even draw me in a lil bit...I know a show won't be classic off the bat but the 1st ep should peek my interest in a character or 2 @ least...that being said I never seen the 1st ep of Deadwood...I will dl it somewhere and check it out this weekend
 
coolie569 said:
Damn I was with you until you mentioned that Jesse was not loyal. Jesse has been nothing if not loyal to Walt. Their relationship is like a father/son where the son is always looking to please his dad. Walt has NEVER had any confidence in Jesse, he's always looked down on him, and has had him do a lot of his dirty work.

Even with all of what Walt has put Jesse through, He still stood up for Walt and told Gus that if he killed Walt he would have to kill him too.
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you know something....

you right:yes:
 
Leroy Soup Nutz said:
The 1st ep of Rome didn't even draw me in a lil bit...I know a show won't be classic off the bat but the 1st ep should peek my interest in a character or 2 @ least...that being said I never seen the 1st ep of Deadwood...I will dl it somewhere and check it out this weekend
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I used to feel the same way. Until I watched Spartacus. I watched the 1st episode like :smh: that shit was wack. I thought it was a rip-off of 300 and wasn't going to watch it any more. Cats on BGOL kept bigging it up so I hung in there by the fourth episode I was like :dance: goddamn this show is bonkers.

Give Rome a chance it was a really good show.
 
Complex said:
I liked Deadwood a lot

I thought it was slept on. I wish it would have stayed on longer.

Rome was good to me too.
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Just watched the 1st ep of Deadwood...Al is that dude...I like Bill and Jane's characters as well...someone already spoiled about Bill but it's all good...from the 1st ep you already see he got oncomers gunning for him so no real surprise there...but Til Olyphant is not fuckin human...it took me a while to realize why I hate him in every single flick/show he's been in except for Hitman...dude can not act...he has zero range...he's a fuckin robot onscreen...that worked for Hitman cuz Hitman was basically a soulless killer so Olyphant was good in that role but dude really ruins every scene he is in in Deadwood...most of the other actors come off natural but it's fuckin painstaking to watch Olyphant deliver his lines...I'll keep watchin tho 1 ep @ a time...like I said Al is that dude and really the saving grace of the 1st ep
 
I knocked the 1st 2 eps of Spartacus initially...but storywise they were very good eps...it's just the cheesy cgi wannabe 300 bloodshots that detracted from the show

coolie569 said:
I used to feel the same way. Until I watched Spartacus. I watched the 1st episode like :smh: that shit was wack. I thought it was a rip-off of 300 and wasn't going to watch it any more. Cats on BGOL kept bigging it up so I hung in there by the fourth episode I was like :dance: goddamn this show is bonkers.

Give Rome a chance it was a really good show.
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watching the interviews it seems the writers had planned on making Walt cut throat and grimey, I'm guessing we will see all that next season
 

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