Official - Better Call Saul - Discussion Thread

Good to finally get some questions answered on the Jimmy / Chuck saga. I've had to deal with mental health issues with a family member and I can definitely relate to the destructive potential of self delusion especially when it manifests itself in some one you care about.

Also glad for that little scene with Hamlin when he basically tells Chuck, look man, none of this happens if you don't bring yourself into the office and work like you supposed to. Hamlin gonna cut his losses after this tirade.

Only unanswered question is how does Jimmy come to take on the Saul persona. Is it some kind of deal worked out to preserve Chuck's dignity and "good" name. that he does it voluntarily?
 
Bumpee said:
This episode dragged. the payoff wasnt enough to string it out for the entire episode. Good to see Huell back though.
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I thought it was a very good episode. It essentially gives an origin story to Chucks hatred and "sickness".. Also exposes him as an utter fraud (which most of us knew anyway). And it further underlined Jimmys love for him and furthered showed how Jimmy is just a loyal, well intentioned fuck up at heart while Chuck is a grudge holding petty vindictive batshit asshole.
SamSneed said:
Man I don't like cac bitches, but Kim's attractiveness is she's a pro and down ass chic.

If Kim was black who would play her? Or who would you pick
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Yea.. Kim is cool as fuck. Regina King or Sanaa would play her well.
 
dawilleyone said:
Good to finally get some questions answered on the Jimmy / Chuck saga. I've had to deal with mental health issues with a family member and I can definitely relate to the destructive potential of self delusion especially when it manifests itself in some one you care about.

Also glad for that little scene with Hamlin when he basically tells Chuck, look man, none of this happens if you don't bring yourself into the office and work like you supposed to. Hamlin gonna cut his losses after this tirade.

Only unanswered question is how does Jimmy come to take on the Saul persona. Is it some kind of deal worked out to preserve Chuck's dignity and "good" name. that he does it voluntarily?
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Good question, I also wonder how he loses Kim.

We all know how the drug game works out.
 
I've been waiting 2 years for this episode to finally happen. From the moment Chuck's bitch ass appeared on this show, I've been hoping Jimmy would get a shot at breaking him. That mf has been on some condescending hater shit since day one. Originally, I expected Chuck would one day have one of his electro-magneto-phobia panic attacks and give himself a fatal heart attack, but this was SOOOO much better.
Probably still going to have that heart attack though.
Just need to see HHM officially put him out the firm first.
 
lukas james said:
I've been waiting 2 years for this episode to finally happen. From the moment Chuck's bitch ass appeared on this show, I've been hoping Jimmy would get a shot at breaking him. That mf has been on some condescending hater shit since day one. Originally, I expected Chuck would one day have one of his electro-magneto-phobia panic attacks and give himself a fatal heart attack, but this was SOOOO much better.
Probably still going to have that heart attack though.
Just need to see HHM officially put him out the firm first.
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He loves the law so much that it won't save him, only jimmy was saving him and he fucked that up.

Only way you cut off fam is if they hurt the kids( pedo shit) or murder. Other shit is forgivable.
 
CT's Finest said:
Beast ass episode. Fuck Chuck!
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SamSneed said:
He loves the law so much that it won't save him, only jimmy was saving him and he fucked that up.

Only way you cut off fam is if they hurt the kids( pedo shit) or murder. Other shit is forgivable.
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That piece of shit couldn't help himself. He needed to maintain that feeling of superiority over Jimmy to fuel his own ego. When Jimmy passed the bar, Chuck started to feel like Jimmy was "catching up" to him by taking a shortcut. And like a dumbass, instead of hiring him in, where he could control Jimmy's level of success in some way, he kicked him loose AND threw shade on Kim in order to steal the Mesa Verde contract.

I hope one of his lanterns sets the house on fire while he's asleep and he wakes up just in time to die.
 
younggiftedandblack said:
Chuck is clearly suffering from a mental issue. But all the shit he said about Jimmy was true.
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That was a courtroom.
It ain't about what's true.
It's about what you can prove.

And Chuck's "mental issue" is a coping mechanism he came up with because he was too weak to handle his wife leaving him.
That shit registers zero on my Give-A-Fuck meter.
 
This is one of the craziest sibling relationships I've seen on TV. The level of co-dependency is mind blowing.

Chuck's constantly reminded that Jimmy is more likeable in every conceivable way. The fact that he just might be as smart and talented is probably what makes him willing to sabotage Jimmy, but there is no doubt it's rooted in some deep seated hatred for whatever he perceives Jimmy did to his father's business. If Chuck would just talk to Jimmy and say look man, stop doing the shady shit and we good, but nah he gotta try to teach him lessons and put it on other people.

Jimmy has had multiple opportunities to be as successful or more than Chuck, but he just seems to need Chuck's validation for some reason. He was right to be angry with what Chuck and Hamlin did to Kim, but that shit was not life or death and Jimmy went to damn far with trying to ruin his brothers reputation.

The bottom line for me is that Chuck has a clear mental health issue and regardless of the cause, that shit is liable to throw you off in your dealing with people even family.

Jimmy's moral compass is just flawed, it's not broken, it's just skewed a good ways off. The most true thing Chuck said about him is he doesn't consider the downstream impacts of his actions even if they are done for a good cause. Having said that I support what he did to Chuck on the stand because it was "life or death" for him in terms of his career.

In the world of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, no one gets off without paying the price for their mis-deeds. So far Jimmy has come out alright in most of the shit he's got into. His check is about to be called. I'm betting Kim is gonna pay the price soon
 
dawilleyone said:
Good to finally get some questions answered on the Jimmy / Chuck saga. I've had to deal with mental health issues with a family member and I can definitely relate to the destructive potential of self delusion especially when it manifests itself in some one you care about.

Also glad for that little scene with Hamlin when he basically tells Chuck, look man, none of this happens if you don't bring yourself into the office and work like you supposed to. Hamlin gonna cut his losses after this tirade.

Only unanswered question is how does Jimmy come to take on the Saul persona. Is it some kind of deal worked out to preserve Chuck's dignity and "good" name. that he does it voluntarily?
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im guessing he loses his license at some point and becomes saul goodman. what i don't get is how he can operate in the same space as before? wouldn't people recognize him?very strange. or maybe he feels guilty about his bro's death that he changes his name to hide the guilt

i know jimmy had a kansas city lunch pal as a cinnabon manager and ol girl is from around that way. is she still with him when he bounces? she's a ride or die so far
 
lukas james said:
That was a courtroom.
It ain't about what's true.
It's about what you can prove.

And Chuck's "mental issue" is a coping mechanism he came up with because he was too weak to handle his wife leaving him.
That shit registers zero on my Give-A-Fuck meter.
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thats why its a mental issue lol
 
No mike or gus this episode and it was still very good. The writers are on their shit.

Question: Other than trying to throw Chuck off on the stand, what was the reason for bringing in his ex wife?
 
Louis Koo said:
i want to see lydia. also, i hope the end of Better Call Saul starts a sequel series.
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There's been some rumors of a potential spin-off for Giancarlo Esposito (Gus Fring). Tough to say as he stays busy with his projects, and it could become a major commitment of a few seasons themed around him (similar to this one for Odenkirk as the lead). Interesting hearing and reading the reviewers & podcasters' takes on this current season and them hoping the series isn't stretched too thin over time. Wondering if there's another season or two explaining the transformation of Jimmy McGill ---> Saul Goodman --> Gene ...




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giancarlo_Esposito#Television

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giancarlo_Esposito#Filmography
 
Aww Skeet Skeet! said:
No mike or gus this episode and it was still very good. The writers are on their shit.

Question: Other than trying to throw Chuck off on the stand, what was the reason for bringing in his ex wife?
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Could be a way of tying things up in regards to past and present (painting the full picture). Showing the ex-wife being shielded from his illness in that lead-off scene of the episode with the dinner flashback. Chuck talking about the hydro company fucking up his power & mistaking his address for one of the neighbor's who was behind on their payment(s). To the present day in the courtroom with Chuck trying to maintain composure explaining Jimmy had tampered with the paperwork/legal document(s), and then having his outburst once the planted battery was revealed. Full circle, I guess one could say. Jimmy quietly stepping back and giving her (ex-wife) and others present the big reveal as to Chuck's current state ...




http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0193639/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Cusack
 
Helico-pterFunk said:
There's been some rumors of a potential spin-off for Giancarlo Esposito (Gus Fring). Tough to say as he stays busy with his projects, and it could become a major commitment of a few seasons themed around him (similar to this one for Odenkirk as the lead). Interesting hearing and reading the reviewers & podcasters' takes on this current season and them hoping the series isn't stretched too thin over time. Wondering if there's another season or two explaining the transformation of Jimmy McGill ---> Saul Goodman --> Gene ...




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giancarlo_Esposito#Television

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giancarlo_Esposito#Filmography
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he said sequel not prequel. gus hunting fools down with half a face?
 
Helico-pterFunk said:
A sequel following Better Call Saul, but still a prequel to Breaking Bad and the eventual Face/Off. Provide even more back story on Gus Fring & how he ever got involved in the criminal world.




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oh, i didn't think there would be a lapse of time between better call saul's ending and breaking bad, but we'll see.
 
lazarus said:
oh, i didn't think there would be a lapse of time between better call saul's ending and breaking bad, but we'll see.
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Yeah - should be interesting to see (at the end) how they tie things up when Better Call Saul wraps in the future. I think they lose some of their more casual audience/viewers who aren't following as closely when they play around with the flash forwards, and flashbacks. Giving us Gene post-Breaking Bad ... all the Jimmy McGill stuff pre-Breaking Bad. The watercooler talk with discussion threads on forums (and podcast reviews) are dope in that fans get a better understanding of the show. Different takes on scenes and episodes, etc. Damn good series though and I'm glad it has been delivering. Especially with how high a bar Breaking Bad set during its entire run. Had to lower our expectations for Better Call Saul ... just in case it was some bullshit ...



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lazarus said:
thats why its a mental issue lol
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No, that muthafucka is fully aware that he's not allergic or sensitive to EM. It's an act he puts on in order to control the actions of those around him. Probably was really helpful in changing the conversation when he got tired of people asking him if he was ok after the wife left him.
When Chuck smacked that phone out of the wife's hand, it wasn't about electricity. It was REALLY because she was on the phone with Andre, and in that moment, Chuck had no power over her actions.
 
lukas james said:
No, that muthafucka is fully aware that he's not allergic or sensitive to EM. It's an act he puts on in order to control the actions of those around him. Probably was really helpful in changing the conversation when he got tired of people asking him if he was ok after the wife left him.
When Chuck smacked that phone out of the wife's hand, it wasn't about electricity. It was REALLY because she was on the phone with Andre, and in that moment, Chuck had no power over her actions.
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Disagree. He believes he has it and has bought his own excuse to cope. I don't think he wants to look crazy on purpose in front of perspective clients and courtrooms
 
lazarus said:
Disagree. He believes he has it and has bought his own excuse to cope. I don't think he wants to look crazy on purpose in front of perspective clients and courtrooms
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Nah. You're missing the clues. Chuck is literally method-acting his "illness". He just never breaks character.
Every time he's passed out or had a panic attack, he acts like it's from the lights or EM fields or some shit.
The more "in charge" he feels at any given moment, the less "afflicted" he appears at that time.
But if you go back and look, all his hypersensitivity "incidents" happen at the exact moment Chuck realizes he's lost control of the people in his immediate vicinity. All that falling out and cracking his head and shit just serves to focus attention back onto Chuck.
While Chuck might be doing quite a bit of it subconsciously, that just means some of it is habit and reflex.
He knows full well what he's doing.
 
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