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dtownsfinest said:



Man when Warriors had Wiseman, Poole, Kuminga and all them young boys I said damn they gonna wreck shit. The way Warriors fumbled these guys….how yall fuck up Kuminga value like this? Damn right he gonna be on the roster who want Royce O’Neal? :lol:
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Warriors didn’t fumble anything. Wiseman was a bust on every team his been on so. Poole plays no defense and is basically a gunner. Kuminga wants out and I’ll put that on GS; that’s all it is
 
Day_Carver said:
Warriors didn’t fumble anything. Wiseman was a bust on every team his been on so. Poole plays no defense and is basically a gunner. Kuminga wants out and I’ll put that on GS; that’s all it is
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No the fumble was drafting Wiseman to begin with. Poole was solid for the Warriors. I put Kuminga on then because they could’ve been traded him…killed his value and now niggas are trying to trade Royce Oneil for him? Lawd…..

And I know Warriors fans gonna play down that young core but yall wasn’t saying they was ass at the time.
 


Sources: Stolen Miami Heat memorabilia at center of federal probe​

FBI, U.S. Attorney's Office investigating theft of game-used items from Heat equipment room​

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— July 30, 2025
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Federal authorities are conducting a massive memorabilia theft investigation involving items stolen from the Miami Heat, sources have confirmed to cllct.

The FBI and U.S. Attorney's Office have questioned people who purchased items from someone with access to the Heat's uniform equipment room, according to those sources.

The investigation was first reported publicly by Amin Elhassan on "The Dan LeBatard Show" on Monday. Elhassan called the theft “one of the largest heists of this kind,” and said it involved jerseys worn during the NBA Finals.

Over the years, a large amount of items allegedly have been taken from the room and sold, sometimes publicly in online marketplaces such as eBay and WhatNot, as well as on other auction sites.

Sold game-used items run the gamut from superstars such as LeBron James, whose jerseys sold for seven figures, to role players such as Gabe Vincent, sources confirmed.

Many of the items were taken by an individual with access to the uniforms, who often was unaware of their full value, according to sources. The items were then passed on to an individual or individuals who photo-matched said items and then further profited by selling them as from a particular game or set of games.

Sources say the Heat, in most cases, were unaware the items had gone missing and were being sold. A Heat representative told cllct the team cannot comment on the active investigation.

Messages left for the FBI and the U.S Attorney's Office were not immediately returned.

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Many sports teams have been relatively nonchalant about past game-used jerseys, often storing them in small closets where many people have had access to them. Others teams have allowed jerseys to completely leave their facilities.

Game-used jerseys are property of the team, but are often removed from facilities without team consent or are given to a player without permission — either gifted or to be sold.

While the massive prices from game-used jerseys have driven teams to pay more attention to their inventory — the NBA has a deal with Sotheby’s that allows the league to auction off current jerseys — the question is what can be clawed back from their past, especially with many of the most valuable pieces of memorabilia changing hands several times.

Darren Rovell is the founder of cllct and one of the country's leading reporters on the collectibles market. He previously worked for ESPN, CNBC and The Action Network.
 
Day_Carver said:
Warriors didn’t fumble anything. Wiseman was a bust on every team his been on so. Poole plays no defense and is basically a gunner. Kuminga wants out and I’ll put that on GS; that’s all it is
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They did fumble the two eras system they proposed. They should have drafted Lamelo, Haliburton or even Maxey. If they wanted a center, Isiah Stewart could of been had in the same draft. He is psycho, but he plays hard and would have developed under Greene and Looney.

They won the 4th, who gives a shit. Wiseman was as bad of a pick within a championship window as Darko over Melo for the Pistons.

Sorry Dumars should have never had another NBA job :lol:
 
dtownsfinest said:
No the fumble was drafting Wiseman to begin with. Poole was solid for the Warriors. I put Kuminga on then because they could’ve been traded him…killed his value and now niggas are trying to trade Royce Oneil for him? Lawd…..

And I know Warriors fans gonna play down that young core but yall wasn’t saying they was ass at the time.
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i was never a wiseman fan to begin with; everyone was hyping him up but I was like nah; they missed on that; everyone else is who we thought they were; Kuminga has value thats why GS aint going for that low ball shit; so Kuminga will either sign the deal or sign his tender; or some team will offer what GS wants...
 
durham said:
They did fumble the two eras system they proposed. They should have drafted Lamelo, Haliburton or even Maxey. If they wanted a center, Isiah Stewart could of been had in the same draft. He is psycho, but he plays hard and would have developed under Greene and Looney.

They won the 4th, who gives a shit. Wiseman was as bad of a pick within a championship window as Darko over Melo for the Pistons.

Sorry Dumars should have never had another NBA job :lol:
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Everyone had Wiseman rated high! I thought he was a bust from the start; but im of the notion to never draft a big man over a guard unless hes shaq! Mofos love big man and continue to display that; 4 is more than 25 of the 30 nba teams have; im sure that 4th means a whole lot...
 
Day_Carver said:
i was never a wiseman fan to begin with; everyone was hyping him up but I was like nah; they missed on that; everyone else is who we thought they were; Kuminga has value thats why GS aint going for that low ball shit; so Kuminga will either sign the deal or sign his tender; or some team will offer what GS wants...
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I mean I would’ve taken Wiseman I don’t fault them but that Lamelo Ball pick…..or I wonder was it possible to trade up for Ant…who knows.

Im not knocking them for Wiseman i just remember thinking damn the best team in the league got a bunch of young guys….

Kuminga I mean if his value is Royce O’Neal journeyman then he doesn’t have any value.
 
durham said:
They did fumble the two eras system they proposed. They should have drafted Lamelo, Haliburton or even Maxey. If they wanted a center, Isiah Stewart could of been had in the same draft. He is psycho, but he plays hard and would have developed under Greene and Looney.

They won the 4th, who gives a shit. Wiseman was as bad of a pick within a championship window as Darko over Melo for the Pistons.

Sorry Dumars should have never had another NBA job :lol:
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I agree. But they wasn’t taking Maxey or Stew that high. Maybe Hali? Ball for sure though likely is the pick. League got a break there.
 
dtownsfinest said:
I mean I would’ve taken Wiseman I don’t fault them but that Lamelo Ball pick…..or I wonder was it possible to trade up for Ant…who knows.

Im not knocking them for Wiseman i just remember thinking damn the best team in the league got a bunch of young guys….

Kuminga I mean if his value is Royce O’Neal journeyman then he doesn’t have any value.
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Thats not his value thats why GS didnt make the deal! I dont know if they would have taken ANT with the 1st pick if they had it; I think they probably still take Wiseman; It would have been better for them to get below 3 so that way they couldnt have taken Wiseman...
 
Day_Carver said:
Thats not his value thats why GS didnt make the deal! I dont know if they would have taken ANT with the 1st pick if they had it; I think they probably still take Wiseman; It would have been better for them to get below 3 so that way they couldnt have taken Wiseman...
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Isn’t his value what people will trade for him? Not what you will accept?

And you probably right on Ant.
 
dtownsfinest said:
Isn’t his value what people will trade for him? Not what you will accept?

And you probably right on Ant.
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Value is relative and subjective; you think Luka value was only AD? :dunno: :smh: ; value is also have a lot of other factors like how desperate a team is or how many teams are bidding or if the player has some control, etc etc..again if GS thought that was his value they would have done the trade; clearly they dont and they wont do that trade...
 
Day_Carver said:
Value is relative and subjective; you think Luka value was only AD? :dunno: :smh: ; value is also have a lot of other factors like how desperate a team is or how many teams are bidding or if the player has some control, etc etc..again if GS thought that was his value they would have done the trade; clearly they dont and they wont do that trade...
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I think the Luka thing was different but yes I believe if they would’ve tried to trade him in the offseason they would’ve got more. They wanted Wemby or Ant and they wasn’t budging .

Well let’s say Royce O’Neal is the floor how much are teams willing to give?

The Sacramento rumor was Devin Carter, Saric and 2nd rounders? I don’t think the trades are gonna get much better. And if the team is Sac I’m not sure how much better the trades can even get it’s not like they are raining with trade bait.
 
dtownsfinest said:
I think the Luka thing was different but yes I believe if they would’ve tried to trade him in the offseason they would’ve got more. They wanted Wemby or Ant and they wasn’t budging .

Well let’s say Royce O’Neal is the floor how much are teams willing to give?

The Sacramento rumor was Devin Carter, Saric and 2nd rounders? I don’t think the trades are gonna get much better. And if the team is Sac I’m not sure how much better the trades can even get it’s not like they are raining with trade bait.
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I think if they would have let it know that Luka was on the block; they would have gotten offers that far exceeded AD no matter the time frame! That trade is one of the worse trades in professional sports history; the only reason Dallas isnt still getting killed for that trade is because they won the lottery..
Kuminga will sign an offer and then be traded by the trade deadline; thats what I think will happen; for what I dont know; I do know GS aint doing nowhere near that bullshit that the Kings and the Suns have offered...
 
Day_Carver said:
Everyone had Wiseman rated high! I thought he was a bust from the start; but im of the notion to never draft a big man over a guard unless hes shaq! Mofos love big man and continue to display that; 4 is more than 25 of the 30 nba teams have; im sure that 4th means a whole lot...
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dtownsfinest said:
I mean I would’ve taken Wiseman I don’t fault them but that Lamelo Ball pick…..or I wonder was it possible to trade up for Ant…who knows.

Im not knocking them for Wiseman i just remember thinking damn the best team in the league got a bunch of young guys….

Kuminga I mean if his value is Royce O’Neal journeyman then he doesn’t have any value.
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Bob Myers got too cute with the Wiseman pick. The Warriors were in win now mode and should have pulled a Lebron. Trade that pick for a vet, cause there was no way Wiseman was going to get enough play time to develop on a team still looking to win championships.
 
chemist said:
Bob Myers got too cute with the Wiseman pick. The Warriors were in win now mode and should have pulled a Lebron. Trade that pick for a vet, cause there was no way Wiseman was going to get enough play time to develop on a team still looking to win championships.
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it takes two to trade; and a lot of GMs had Wiseman rated high! I just dont like the way any of these GMs rate big men..
 
Day_Carver said:
I think if they would have let it know that Luka was on the block; they would have gotten offers that far exceeded AD no matter the time frame! That trade is one of the worse trades in professional sports history; the only reason Dallas isnt still getting killed for that trade is because they won the lottery..
Kuminga will sign an offer and then be traded by the trade deadline; thats what I think will happen; for what I dont know; I do know GS aint doing nowhere near that bullshit that the Kings and the Suns have offered...
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I don’t even know what relevance the Luka trade has on Kuminga he ain’t no damn Luka. :lol:

I think those deals are closer to what they will get. I’d rather keep him but that bridge has sailed.
 
chemist said:
Bob Myers got too cute with the Wiseman pick. The Warriors were in win now mode and should have pulled a Lebron. Trade that pick for a vet, cause there was no way Wiseman was going to get enough play time to develop on a team still looking to win championships.
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Yeah for sure would’ve been smarter. Fucked up and cost them.
 
Day_Carver said:
You keep talking like that trade is gonna happen lol( it’s not so it’s a mute point…
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I’m just replying to you saying thankful I’m not the GM because I’d rather keep him then do those trades.

Well I don’t know I might do the Devin Carter one I think he’s a baller.
 
durham said:
They did fumble the two eras system they proposed. They should have drafted Lamelo, Haliburton or even Maxey. If they wanted a center, Isiah Stewart could of been had in the same draft. He is psycho, but he plays hard and would have developed under Greene and Looney.

They won the 4th, who gives a shit. Wiseman was as bad of a pick within a championship window as Darko over Melo for the Pistons.

Sorry Dumars should have never had another NBA job :lol:
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A lot of people say they should have drafted Lamelo or Haliburton and I think that makes zero sense.

#1– We don’t know if they win that 4th title with another guard on the team. Does Jordan Poole blossom the way he did? Another young player on the team could have been a net negative.

#2- The logic behind the Wiseman pick made sense for the team that they had, another PG did not. If Wiseman had worked out, he makes much more sense as a complement to Curry, and winning another championship while he’s around should be their #1 goal.
 
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chemist said:
Bob Myers got too cute with the Wiseman pick. The Warriors were in win now mode and should have pulled a Lebron. Trade that pick for a vet, cause there was no way Wiseman was going to get enough play time to develop on a team still looking to win championships.
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Trading the pick is a much more rational alternative than drafting another superstar guard.

Another piece of context is that this was the COVID draft and workouts were more limited than any other. So that needs to be taken into consideration with all these harsh condemnations.
 

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