Obamacare Waivers

[Fuckallyall]

That's actually a part of it but it's those same "young and healthy" who show up in emergency rooms with no insurance, a situation alleviated somewhat by forcing companies to allow them to stay on their parent's health insurance until 26. So it's not like these "young and healthy" don't drive up costs, they do.


And how dare you ask for a response from me while ignoring two posts I made about how people are benefitting right now from reform.

First off, thanks for you cordial attitude in the discussion. It is too rare nowadays, and it is much appreciated.

Now, those young and healthy who show up to emergency rooms:

A: Are often involved in motor vehicle accidents that have no insurance tied to the vehicles (against the law), or

B: Are injured in the furtherence of some illegal activity (like shootouts from drug deals gone bad, domestic violence, etc.). These activities are also illegal. So, lack of health insurance is NOT the predicate problem.

Also, the uncompensated care portion comes largely from government fiat in the form of the law that makes hospitals do free work. It is called EMTALA. It is a feel good law that does less good than it would imply.

I've stated the things before, and have yet to see any reply to them.

Also, I just posted in the NC rate lowering thread. Check it out.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

First off, thanks for you cordial attitude in the discussion. It is too rare nowadays, and it is much appreciated.

Anytime. As I keep saying on all these boards, it's possible to have heated, passionate debates and still have some decorum about you.

Now, those young and healthy who show up to emergency rooms:

A: Are often involved in motor vehicle accidents that have no insurance tied to the vehicles (against the law), or

B: Are injured in the furtherence of some illegal activity (like shootouts from drug deals gone bad, domestic violence, etc.). These activities are also illegal. So, lack of health insurance is NOT the predicate problem.

Also, the uncompensated care portion comes largely from government fiat in the form of the law that makes hospitals do free work. It is called EMTALA. It is a feel good law that does less good than it would imply.

I've stated the things before, and have yet to see any reply to them.

Everything's not going to get a reply because often I either agree or at least understand your perspective.

 

[Gunner]

Anthony Weiner: Waiver might work for New York

Leading Backer For Obama Care May Ask For A Waiver??? I'm sure Dave will jump in and let us all know that shit doesn't really stink, its merely an acquired smell.

Rep. Anthony Weiner said Wednesday he was looking into how a health law waiver might work for New York City.

Weiner, who is likely to run for mayor of New York, said that because of the city’s special health care infrastructure, his office was looking into alternatives that might make more sense. Weiner is one of the health care law’s biggest supporters; during the debate leading up to reform, he was one of the last holdouts in Congress for the public option.


“The president said, ‘If you have better ideas that can accomplish the same thing, go for it,’” said Weiner. “I’m in the process now of trying to see if we can take [President Barack Obama] up on it in the city of New York, … and I’m taking a look at all of the money we spend in Medicaid and Medicare and maybe New York City can come up with a better plan.”

New York is one of two states that pass on Medicaid expenses to cities and localities, so “the city winds up having an enormous Medicaid expense,” Weiner said.

The congressman was trying to debunk Republican “myths” about the health care law during a speech at the Center for American Progress. He used the waivers as way to describe how flexible the law actually is and how “this notion that the government is shoving the bill down people’s throats” is not true.

“The administration needs to make this argument more forcefully,” he said. “A lot of people who got waivers were … people who are our friends.”

The New York Democrat said that he does not have the power to get the city to apply for a waiver but that he is “personally looking at whether he can make the numbers work.”

“We in New York already have hospitals, we already employ doctors and we employ nurses. We have a lot of uninsured people. … [Setting up] the exchanges is the one piece of the puzzle that would be difficult for us to do,” he said. “I’m just looking internally to whether the city can save money and have more control over its own destiny.

Weiner is slated to hold at least five events on the anniversary of the Affordable Care Act and has been one of the most outspoken Democratic supporters of the law.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51840.html#ixzz1HYSMvLcb

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Re: Anthony Weiner: Waiver might work for New York

Are you still making this reach, even after having it pointed out that everyone that's asked for and received any waiver already has a good insurance policy in place?
The Affordable Care Act wasn't meant to replace the policies of companies or municipalities but to stop the egregious practices of health insurance companies.
Since you insist on not knowing anything about this except "conservative" talking points, which only make you look completely uninformed, stop talking about it. It's like you don't read the articles you post before you post them.

 

[Gunner]

Re: Anthony Weiner: Waiver might work for New York

Stop bubbling Dave. Getting hard to defend your rhetoric i take . Just noticed on the main board how you jump anyone who says anything about OBAMA.

Starbucks chief executive Howard Schultz says the health overhaul law's employer requirements will impose "too great" a pressure on small businesses.

Schultz supported the law as he watched his company's health insurance tab — $250 million as of last year — surmount its coffee bill. But he told The Seattle Times in an interview published Tuesday that he's now worried about what happens when it takes full effect in 2014:

We have faced double-digit increases for almost five consecutive years with no end in sight.


So, when I was invited to the White House prior to health care being reformed, I was very supportive of the president's plan, primarily because I felt it was literally a fracturing of humanity for almost 50 million Americans not to have health insurance.

There's no plan that would be a perfect plan, but the intent of the bill and the heartfelt commitment to insure the uninsured is the right approach. I think as the bill is currently written and if it was going to land in 2014 under the current guidelines, the pressure on small businesses, because of the mandate, is too great.

However, there is no mandate for small businesses to buy health insurance. In fact, businesses with fewer than 50 employees are exempt from the requirements of larger businesses to provide employee coverage or pay penalties.

A Starbucks spokesperson said in a statement that the word “mandate” is synonymous with "requirements" and "was not a reference to specific provisions in the new law.”

“Mr. Schultz believes that remaining engaged in this discussion is critical and that both public and private enterprises should have an active voice in any further dialogue about the implementation of the law. … For decades, Starbucks has been deeply committed to providing good health care coverage for Starbucks partners (employees), including those who work part time. It is an important part of our commitment to the communities we serve.”





Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51727.html#ixzz1HdxaXQ11

 

[Gunner]

Re: Anthony Weiner: Waiver might work for New York

Are you still making this reach, even after having it pointed out that everyone that's asked for and received any waiver already has a good insurance policy in place?
The Affordable Care Act wasn't meant to replace the policies of companies or municipalities but to stop the egregious practices of health insurance companies.
Since you insist on not knowing anything about this except "conservative" talking points, which only make you look completely uninformed, stop talking about it. It's like you don't read the articles you post before you post them.

So because Obama said it you believe it?

Your response on the poli board and main board is always " stop talking about my daddy".

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Re: Anthony Weiner: Waiver might work for New York

Stop bubbling Dave. Getting hard to defend your rhetoric i take . Just noticed on the main board how you jump anyone who says anything about OBAMA.

I jump on people who lie to make their points much like I do you.
How valid is a criticism if it's based on lies and misinformation?

Starbucks chief executive Howard Schultz says the health overhaul law's employer requirements will impose "too great" a pressure on small businesses.

Schultz supported the law as he watched his company's health insurance tab — $250 million as of last year — surmount its coffee bill. But he told The Seattle Times in an interview published Tuesday that he's now worried about what happens when it takes full effect in 2014:

We have faced double-digit increases for almost five consecutive years with no end in sight.


So, when I was invited to the White House prior to health care being reformed, I was very supportive of the president's plan, primarily because I felt it was literally a fracturing of humanity for almost 50 million Americans not to have health insurance.

There's no plan that would be a perfect plan, but the intent of the bill and the heartfelt commitment to insure the uninsured is the right approach. I think as the bill is currently written and if it was going to land in 2014 under the current guidelines, the pressure on small businesses, because of the mandate, is too great.

However, there is no mandate for small businesses to buy health insurance. In fact, businesses with fewer than 50 employees are exempt from the requirements of larger businesses to provide employee coverage or pay penalties.
A Starbucks spokesperson said in a statement that the word “mandate” is synonymous with "requirements" and "was not a reference to specific provisions in the new law.”

“Mr. Schultz believes that remaining engaged in this discussion is critical and that both public and private enterprises should have an active voice in any further dialogue about the implementation of the law. … For decades, Starbucks has been deeply committed to providing good health care coverage for Starbucks partners (employees), including those who work part time. It is an important part of our commitment to the communities we serve.”





Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51727.html#ixzz1HdxaXQ11

Did you read this at all? First I was suspicious to what the head of Starbucks knows about small businesses then I read the bolded part and at your weakest attempt yet.
And even he said they faced double digit increases every year for 5 years so what's his alternative since he doesn't like this one anymore?

AND I already posted a thread, months ago now, showing small businesses were buying health insurance at greater rates because of the health insurance reform law. Wouldn't they know better than the head of Starbucks what's good for them?

So because Obama said it you believe it?

Your response on the poli board and main board is always " stop talking about my daddy".

My position is always "Criticize with the truth or STFU".

Not because "Obama said it" but because that's how the act was written and how it's been implemented so far. Do you have some contrary information?

 

[Greed]

Health-Law Employer Mandate Delayed by U.S. Until 2015

Health-Law Employer Mandate Delayed by U.S. Until 2015

 

[thoughtone]