Well. We all know, Iran can not fight a conventional war against Israel and expect to win. Because they won't.
Most of the Arab countries would not back Iran in that play. Not with the US in Iraq.
It's Nukes or no go.
An people, Iran does not really want a war.
But if it did happen. I agree with Dale. Either look for those falling stars in the sky over America and Russia, and China. Cause it ain't just a depression. It's going to be a reaction.
Please people, don't let these Neo Cons run this game about Iran.
Most of the Arab countries would not back Iran in that play. Not with the US in Iraq.
It's Nukes or no go.
An people, Iran does not really want a war.
But if it did happen. I agree with Dale. Either look for those falling stars in the sky over America and Russia, and China. Cause it ain't just a depression. It's going to be a reaction.
Please people, don't let these Neo Cons run this game about Iran.
Exactly. It's called "Getting In The Car For A Ride And Then Putting In Your Own Driver Down The Road." Nothing changes over night. When I first read the title of this thread I wanted to throw up. BO has to be holding his nose while he talks this stankin trash but he's gotta get in before the changes can begin...OVER TIME!Well I'll give a more esoteric perspective on Obama's potential Presidency. If "the powers that be" select him, nothing will change policy wise, but him being president will be a signal towards global changes in the future. This coming CHANGE is bigger than the government.
I liked what Ron Paul had to say with his radical changes, knowing that he never had a real chance to get to the Oval Office. Doesn't make me a Dick Rider cause you wasn't able to see my radical logic.Tell truth? If he was in place of McCain and was going up against Bitchary Clitface he'd get my vote PRECISELY because of his radical views. His ass would have shit shook so fast in this country there'd be damn near instant revolution. Then Black folk would either wake up quick fast or be Ruff Rider rode over. Either way I'm prepared.
But it's not Paul, or Kucinich or even Mitt Romney. It's Barack Obama and I'm rollin with him cause the man is real. He's not perfect and just like all good politicians, he can talk outa both sides of his ass when he needs to but he brings more to the table than all the rest. Just took me awhile to see it.
I like what you have to say in this post Zero for the most part and I paired you with Lenny cause you both realize that BO has to play the game to get in and even after that it will take time. Ain't no snap of the fingers...no flick of the switch...only time, faith, hope. And us as a people gettin busy and being ready when the time comes...or as individuals if the majority still don't reconize
"IMHO america needs another fuel resource bad, one independent of the middle east(I can dream), cause whether I am right or you are right, this shit is gonna come to an ugly end, sooner then later."
Agree 100% Let us divest our economy of oil addiction and then maybe the entire middle eastern map changes, arabs jews and otherwise.
Agree 100% Let us divest our economy of oil addiction and then maybe the entire middle eastern map changes, arabs jews and otherwise.
As long as we keep throwing money at OIL that will be the result.
OIL is the problem not Israel. Take oil out of the equation and everything changes up.
Let me ask you this, if oil is out of the equation, meaning no economy crash if iran and israel blow each other to hell.
What of israel then?
Well considering that the transition from an oil-based energy policy to an alternative energy policy would take a few years if not a few decades, I predict that Israel would be on notice that they need to take the leap and give Palestine their homeland.
Israel wants to see a Palestinian Authority that can reduce terrorism against Israel to zero acts, which may never happen--and Israel's position is we will not negotiate so long as you cannot get your terrorism under control. Knowing they have nukes and the US and Britain and others as the trump card.
If oil ceases in strategic importance, that undermines the Israeli trump card and they'd have to figure a way out to make peace happen irrespective of their reservations.
On the other hand, you'd see revolutions all over the Middle East because oil wealth and demonizing the US and Israel is all that keeps several Arab nations from civil war.
Israel wants to see a Palestinian Authority that can reduce terrorism against Israel to zero acts, which may never happen--and Israel's position is we will not negotiate so long as you cannot get your terrorism under control. Knowing they have nukes and the US and Britain and others as the trump card.
If oil ceases in strategic importance, that undermines the Israeli trump card and they'd have to figure a way out to make peace happen irrespective of their reservations.
On the other hand, you'd see revolutions all over the Middle East because oil wealth and demonizing the US and Israel is all that keeps several Arab nations from civil war.
So what, you're cleaning guns and plotting revolution right? Cause you've cornered yourself into no other option with views like this. Apparently no legitimate presidential candidate is good enough for you--fine, unless you are actively in a grassroots organization pushing for this kind of change, or getting your dead prez on, you're just running your mouth on a message board.
I salute your ideals, but I'm in my 30s cuz and adulthood has a way of mitigating such idealism with pragmatism.
"I dont get it."I get everything you're saying, you're the one that doesn't get what I AM saying.
Subscribing to ONE policy that every other president has subscribed to, doesnt mean he subscribes to ALL of them.
Stop exaggerating for militant effect, damn.
GTFOH with this Bullshit, so because i want a president that will change foreign policy for the better that makes me Militant? that actually sounds odd to you?
you just lost what little credibility you had that dumb ass statement.And all of the defending your doing with Israel makes you look like a dumb ass, how the fuck can you justify, The US being an unconditional supporter of Israel, and giving them Nukes, and not requiring them to allow weapons inspectors? You seriously need to fucking quit this bullshit, its only making you look worse.
Umm how about because they are the size of a Pea in an Arab Surrounded territory full of nut jobs who want to nuke them. So you GTFOH with that bullshit. They are severely out numbered and you have sympathy for the fucking Arabs? The fuck out.
I always took Paul with a grain of salt because I lived in his district in Texas and never saw him as an "Independent", but as what I think he truly is a "Seperatist". I was really shocked as shit when black folks jumped on his bandwagon, but then I thought about it and honestly, if you had no clue who David Duke was and ONLY heard his political views, he'd sound a LOT like Ron Paul and would probably get similar support form folks who normally would be like "Fuck that racist cracka". Maybe knowing what i knew about Paul made a difference because I knew the shit that came out about his racial views was no damn conspiracy, it was HIS RACIAL VIEWS. If African Herbsman can overlook the fact that Ron Paul hates his fuckin' skin, why would I be considered a sheep for supporting Obama even though he supports some things I do not philosophically. C'mon, lets compare and contrast again...
- Ron Paul has let it be known he has NO LOVE for black folks, BLACK FOLKS overlook that flaw and consider themselves "enlightened". Some ass even tried to tell me that the reason the Aryan nation loved Ron Paul and his black ass did too was because neo-nazis love freedom just like he does. It's not because he supports states rights (which in Klan country is code for fuckin' everything from slavery to black codes to legal lynching to school segregation to jim crow), but because they love freedom. When you take all of the pretty bullshit prose out of Paul's politics, dude is talking Fascism, not rugged individualism.
- Obama supports Isreal (which I don't agree with, but understand) and voted to fund the troops (which I agree with because killing a bunch of kids over in Iraq by cutting their funding doesn't hurt Bush, hasn't he already proven he doesn't give a shit? Didn't Cheney flat out tell these nigras he didn't give a shit?)
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GTFOH with this Bullshit, so because i want a president that will change foreign policy for the better that makes me Militant? that actually sounds odd to you?
And all of the defending your doing with Israel makes you look like a dumb ass, how the fuck can you justify, The US being an unconditional supporter of Israel, and giving them Nukes, and not requiring them to allow weapons inspectors? You seriously need to fucking quit this bullshit, its only making you look worse.
First of all dickhead, you are the one who insists that because Obama is echoing the same pro-Israel foreign policy that has dominated US politics FOR 50 FUCKING YEARS, that he is "more of the same."
ONE issue does not make him "more of the same" for ALL issues.
And like an asshole, you keep duckin that truth because I spanked your stupid ass point.
And I did not JUSTIFY anything. I explained the logic behind Israel's sacredness to US foreign policy; as I said, I am definitely very sympathetic to the wrongs done against Palestine but I understand political realities, and realistically no one can win the white house on a pro-Palestinian platform. No one, not at this time. You are welcome to support who you want, just dont expect them to win the Presidency.
NEWS FLASH, asswipe! There are more ways to skin the political cat than the presidency! Try some, Captain Courageous!
Like I said, either join some pro-Palestine movements and try and change things, or get your dead prez on. But either way, miss me with your silly-ass bullshit smears of the man based on one aspect of his platform, you fake-ass militant. Now picture me rolling with tons of credibility.
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Get off oil and the middle east goes back to the middle ages. If the U.S. makes a STRONG effort to completely kick this oil addiction and find other options (which are available and viable but consistantly get killed by oil lobbyists) then Isreal and the Middle East become the problem of oil grubbing countries.
Your one stupid motherfucker, the thread is about Obama and Israel, and thats exactly what ive been talking about, hes the same as all the other candidates on Israeli foreign policy you dumb fuck. Hes obviously not the same as any other candidate on all issues and i never said he was, but when it comes to the same ol shit, the core issues, foreign policy, war on drugs, Patriot act etc, explain how the fuck hes any different?
And stop acting like you know shit about what other people support, saying that we need to stop babying Israel is not fucking Pro-Palestine, thats the most amateurish shit ive fucking seen, if your only comeback is "you must be Pro-Palestine" Your a fucking joke.
First off let me say this. No way are you a sheep or some of the other supporters of obama sheep.
But the fact is alot of his supporters are. When I bring up valid points about the man, I am called names. That is sheep. Sheep have no argument, and some dont even have the knowledge of their own candidate.
I still question him and billary for flip floping in 07, so all of a sudden it was "fuck the troops" we have principles now.
Also, as far as politics is concerned I think a big problem is sneaking shit into back of bills to get things passed.
THAT NEEDS TO BE ELIMINATED FROM POLITICS. They might have a war bill attatched to a wage bill, WTF kind of sneaky politics is that and how does it exist?
Back to israel, how can america get off of oil, if the jews that are in very high places in this country know their homeland would be shit out of luck. Doesnt it seem like they want us dependent on oil just to justify a presence in the middle east?
The core issues, huh?
You mean foreign policy stances like keeping diplomatic channels open to enemy nations? Whoops, more of the same even though the other two candidates and every candidate since Reagan have opposed this.
War on drugs huh? You mean like making Illinois law enforcement tape all interrogations to ensure that Miranda Rights are respected? Is that more of the same dickhead? PROVE THAT HE IS THE SAME AS EVERY OTHER POLITICIAN ON THE WAR ON DRUGS ISSUE, YOU LYIN FUCK.
Patriot Act "etc etc" fact is you wouldnt even have known shit about his vote on the Patriot Act if Gene hadnt told you, you fuckin phony.
Oh REALLY?
Hm. Same old policies, status quo period implies "all" dickhead, thats why intelligent people such as myself specify when they dont wanna be held to generalizations. Dont worry, you'll get it through your thick ass skull in oh, another two decades.
Yep, more generalizations.
Sitcho fake ass militant ass down, you've been served. Now EAT muthafucka.
I know dog, my conversation and others are completely seperate just like I know that clown bizzybody cosigning you has shit to do with your point.
But as far as the sneaking shit into bills thing goes, that's why I don't put a lot of stock into these votes. The way the game is played, Obama may have had to choose between voting against something like the Patriot Act renewel, but in doing so he has to vote against some larger bill he wants that was lumped in with it. Same thing with troop funding, Blackwater and the Carlisle group are getting their money off top, so if you cut Iraq funding ALL you accomplish is sending tropps out with shitty armor and vulnerable Humvees, it doesn't force them to come home and it doesn't stop the profiteering because you have a president in office that ALREADY has his blank check to keep them in Iraq anda bunch of contractors with signed and guaranteed contracts. So the troops become hostages and you either take a hard stance, sacrifice them and vote against funding them (and live with the end result) or you vote to fund them and get attacked as rolling over. The troop funding and Patriot Act votes mean a lot less to me than say the Bankruptcy reform bill where it ONLY benefits the bankers and does SHIT for the common man (and Obama voted AGAINST that).
If getting off oil makes money for American corporations and gets American voters good jobs, Israel would have no choice but to fend for themselves because we wouldn't give a shit about controlling the oil interests over there (all this other bullshit aside, the ONLY reason we pump nukes and cash into Israel is to keep the Middle East in check). The American people are the reason these politicians support Israel even if they don't want to because the American voter has been trained by pro-Israeli interests to backlash HARD against anyone that says shit against them. You give the American people what they really want, better jobs, more cash in pocket, a thriving economy not so dependent on foreign interests, and that fake-ass loyalty they have to Israel disappears overnight (half these fucks don't even know WHY they support Israel, they just know they are SUPPOSED to).
And Im all for you pushing folks to know their shit. Thats a good thing. Do your thing!
Agreed, it's called Pork-Barrel Legislation and thats why Bill Clinton's line-item veto was a smart policy, one of the best things I think he ever passed. Dunno if it was repealed or what.
This is an excellent point but I think the Oil and Auto industries are a bigger impediment than the Jews. Ultimately, most Jews are Democrats and the Democrats have been far more active in pushing for alternative energy investment than the GOP has. Either way, its an idea whose time has come and if changes arent made, I better get ready to see Florida underwater in my lifetime.
Now that I think about it (after what Dale said) Israel might WELCOME a turn from oil. I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but they don't profit much financially from oil and the minute oil dependence disappears and the Middle East literally dries the fuck up, Israel becomes an uncontested power in the area (although I do think those Zionists will turn into full blown Nazi's the minute that happens).
You got 3 mufuckas to choose from. That's it. Ain't NO MUFUCKA gettin in the white house that don't support Israel. PERIOD. So EVERY electable candidate is gonna support Israel. PERIOD. Argument over.
Why talk about mufuckas who AIN'T ELECTABLE? Kucinnich and Paul. A fuckin Keebler elf who rides in ufo's and a fuckin "former" racist with nazi organization ties. They ain't in the fuckin equation. It's like algebra a x y = c and yall niggas talkin bout the square root of d.
You gotta lyin ass bitch reppin the CLinton dynasty. That bitch supports Israel. You gotta senile mufucka caught and tortured by rice farmers in Vietnam who loves war. You gotta brother who can become the first black president and make history.
Niggas is arguin about Israel? Ain't a gottdamn thing a nigga in the U.S. can do to make ANY difference about Israel that ain't sittin in that oval office. If Obama is so fuckin terrible because he supports Israel then vote for Hillary or McCain who also supports Israel.
Why talk about mufuckas who AIN'T ELECTABLE? Kucinnich and Paul. A fuckin Keebler elf who rides in ufo's and a fuckin "former" racist with nazi organization ties. They ain't in the fuckin equation. It's like algebra a x y = c and yall niggas talkin bout the square root of d.
You gotta lyin ass bitch reppin the CLinton dynasty. That bitch supports Israel. You gotta senile mufucka caught and tortured by rice farmers in Vietnam who loves war. You gotta brother who can become the first black president and make history.
Niggas is arguin about Israel? Ain't a gottdamn thing a nigga in the U.S. can do to make ANY difference about Israel that ain't sittin in that oval office. If Obama is so fuckin terrible because he supports Israel then vote for Hillary or McCain who also supports Israel.
The US uses Israel, in a proxy war against the middle east, and your fucking surprised that there hated in that region. And how the fuck are you gonna have any kind of peace when your playing favorites? If you can't see the problem with supplying a nation Nukes, and having them be Immune from International Criticism, and weapons Inspectors then you have a serious fucking problem, that bullshit explanation you gave doesn't cover shit, not even half way. The US has been illegally involved in Middle eastern affairs for decades, we overthrew Iran's government, and we've been playing proxy wars using Israel, explain to me how this helps the middle east peace process at all?
I just want to know this. If every time america saber rattles at Iran oil prices go up, then gas, this as no end in the near future.
We really will be at 5$ per gallon next year, combine the iran excuse to raise prices with the falling dollar and the china excuse(they use to much) and we are gonna be fucked.
People in cold regions like ohio have high gas bills 7 months out the year. This also happens to be where all the blue collar jobs are drying up.
Also, what about china, wouldnt they logically be on irans side? Aint they really starting to be the ones calling the shots in the world.
I would love to hear how obama, or anybody will deal with the china problem, it is another thing killing us.
Good points man. This is why I don't even argue the matter.
I agree. Im bugging on how many brothers are against him on this knowing that at work you have to do alot of shit that you may not want to do but its part of the game to get that check.
Granted somethings can go too far but as far as Im concerned there is way too much signifigance in this man becoming President then for me to bash and hate over Isreal. That situation is what it is. Any President at this point is going to have to back that place because of the influence of whomever it is pulling the strings whether its the US people or some unseen hand.
On the real Im bugging feeling like Im in the Matrix. All the pro-Black brothers are coming out againts another Blackman on 1 topic that really and truly doesnt effect them personally?
Pardon the mistakes on the PDA.
Peace.
Granted somethings can go too far but as far as Im concerned there is way too much signifigance in this man becoming President then for me to bash and hate over Isreal. That situation is what it is. Any President at this point is going to have to back that place because of the influence of whomever it is pulling the strings whether its the US people or some unseen hand.
On the real Im bugging feeling like Im in the Matrix. All the pro-Black brothers are coming out againts another Blackman on 1 topic that really and truly doesnt effect them personally?
Pardon the mistakes on the PDA.
Peace.
And Im all for you pushing folks to know their shit. Thats a good thing. Do your thing!
Agreed, it's called Pork-Barrel Legislation and thats why Bill Clinton's line-item veto was a smart policy, one of the best things I think he ever passed. Dunno if it was repealed or what.
This is an excellent point but I think the Oil and Auto industries are a bigger impediment than the Jews. Ultimately, most Jews are Democrats and the Democrats have been far more active in pushing for alternative energy investment than the GOP has. Either way, its an idea whose time has come and if changes arent made, I better get ready to see Florida underwater in my lifetime.
Fam, thats all I want, informed talk.
Not I make avalid point about obama and get called a hater, crab or coon.
I bring up shit cause it fucks with my wallet and I ahve kids. I am just as concerned as everybody else.
And you have seen my posts where people responded......"I didnt know that". Then come back
at me like, "well who else you gonna vote for.They missed my entire point. When will we, has americans who have info at the touch of a fingertip become really informed.
One reason BGOL is great is its one stop shop. You find out shit here you would have to search for on the internet, even the people I have enlightened about questionable shit about obama wouldnt have known had it not been for my posts.
I know you mention jesse ventura, I tell you after the next 8 years, if shit dont turn around the democrats AND the republicans could be fucking done.
Could you imagine in 8 years 7$ gas, less jobs, iran with nukes, more working poor?????????????
If you asked me in 2000 I would have never thought shit would turn out like this in 08, the biggest problem we had in the 90's was clintons blow job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How the fuck is a black president status quo?
Look at the history of this country & say that again with a str8 face.
End of fuckin post. Thank you & good night..
We live in a country w/ a majority of white folx. They want this mafucka to run on a fuck white folx platform..
I swear these all or nothing mafuckas kill me. I'll give Shelby Steele credit for one thing. His concept of bargainers & challengers is on point. We have this misguided idea that we'll be voted in to power while only representing our own interest.
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I don't think that highly of Arabs either - from my experiance with most of them, they do look down upon everyone but Dr. Truth - I gotta call you out on some misinformation your spreading.
First, being around during the civil rights era? Arabs are a part of the later waves of immigrants - especially the news Arabs you see like Yemenis and Egyptians, so they probably were not in the US back in the 50-60s.
Yea, I'm sure that its all cool for Jewish lawyers to go down south and help in the civil rights movement but WHERE THE FUCK WHERE ALL THE JEWISH LAWYERS WHEN THE BOSTON SCHOOL SYSTEM WAS WAS HEAVILY SEGREGATED AND THE IRISH MOBBING BLACK STUDENTS BEING BUSSED TO WHITE SCHOOLS CUS THEY DIDN'T HAVE BOOKS AND DESKS IN THE BALCK SCHOOLS?!
Everyone wants to get on a bus and go to someone else's hood to tell them how to do something but they don't do shit in front of their own eyes.
Another thing - those Arabs that have been longer in the US were mostly Christian Arabs from Lebanon and Syria - and some of them have been progressive - Do you forget that Ralph Nader is an Arab??
and WTF does a right to human dignity have anything to do with Arabs? The Palestine issue is a right to live in human dignity - that's a right all humans should have right to do.
And about the Black Jews of Israel - yea, they are black Jews - but they are looked down upon in society in Israel. European Jews run the show in Israel and all other Jews are below them.
I usually like your posts but get your facts straight on somethings mayne.
peace
The fact is them euro jews are a main reason for arab/west hate, and its well known how "black jews" get treated over there. They have the real hebrews living in shit like outcasts.
CO-SIGN most of all the black jews of Israel are religious refugees from Ethiopia known as Falasha (Amharic for "Exiles" or "Strangers") who get no love in Ethiopia and get no love in Isreal either so you can imagine how the Palestinians get treated.This shit has nothing to religious preference but everything to do with imperialism,white supremacy, and manifest destiny......
but on the note of the thread i'm voting for Obama and support him but his proclaimed views on Israel and Cuba are some bull ass shit!
WTf? The US have been trying to talk with North Korea(an enemy state) for years now untill they finally decided to talk, so how the fuck is Obama unique to this?
No i mean war on drugs as in, Obama wanting to put a Drug enforcement agency Office in new Orleans which would only add to the problem, i mean War on drugs as in the war that law enforcement has waged on its citizens.
LMFAO! so this is what its come to? this is your big comeback, that im copying gene? Anyone whos seen my post on these issues including gene know that ive been consistent on this issue, so nice try pulling that one out your ass, bitch.
Sitcho fake ass militant ass down, you've been served. Now EAT muthafucka.
Your delusional, you think just cause you have a few dumbasses co-signing you, you served someone? your just another obama nut hugger, who wets his pants every time somebody says something critical about him, whether its valid or not, Bitches like you are part of the problem.
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