Who uses white-washed, honkey-loving terms like this?
You have the nerve to talk about Obama being condescending and then pull out crap like this.
Do you say white European?
Obama needs to shut up: President Mugabe is a hero!
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Who uses white-washed, honkey-loving terms like this?
You have the nerve to talk about Obama being condescending and then pull out crap like this.
Do you say white European?
Nzinga, I have a question for you. Since you always find fault with President Obama and the rest us native born Americans why the fuck do you hang around on this US based board?
Whatever Mugabe is doing in Zimbabwe is that country's business. My struggle and the rest of the black Americans struggle is here within US boarders.
Since you seem so unhappy here go live your life with Mugabe. You need to understand your way of life, your lifestyle is yours alone. Not many here will ever share your beliefs or thoughts. BTW Mugabe is no hero!
Whatever Mugabe is doing in Zimbabwe is that country's business. My struggle and the rest of the black Americans struggle is here within US boarders.
Since you seem so unhappy here go live your life with Mugabe. You need to understand your way of life, your lifestyle is yours alone. Not many here will ever share your beliefs or thoughts. BTW Mugabe is no hero!
The board belongs to HNIC, not to Obama, you or the USA.. AND I hate the fact that when Obama condescends to speak on Africa, he tries to turn his lack of substantive engagement with us by piling blame on us. We had low expectations of and from him, but he actually has succeeded in coming even below those low numbers...No one has ever asked Obama for anything. He came to Africa for 21 hours to insult us, all by himself. He had the nerve, and as far as I know, the only occasion by anyone visiting another, to say he was rewarding an African country by visiting it.
I hope he did not lose the significance of the fact that somewhere near him, and possibly was even driven on it, is a well-deserved George W Bush hwy in Accra Ghana. If Obama never said or did anything, there would have been a road dedicated to him somewhere in Africa. As things are, I suspect that not even people in his father's Western Kenya home, will have any interest in honouring the memory of a man whose sole policy initiative for Africa was to try and convince us to accept occupying American soldiers. And he has the nerve to talk about our independence..
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You're Kenyan? You can speak for the Kenyan people?
I find you funny, personally. On one hand, you'll decry any idea that African is monolithic but then you will say something that suggests that Africans think with one mind or all have the same opinion.
I am an African, are you?
I do not hate Obama. He inherited a tough situation. He had to wage two wars with a country that was broke and on the verge of economic collapse...He has done an excellent job of managing that situation and bringing stability to it.
My beef is this:
He should not patronise African leaders. He obviously does not understand Africa. He should understand that his Africom bullshit is dead in the water. Our independence was hard won, and not even the appointment of a half-African will cause or convince us to compromise it by accepting foreign occupation. He should not be trying to force down a climate bill that will consign us to a state where we are forbidden to progress for all eternity. If these are the ideas he has for Africa, we would prefer that he did nothing else. At the rate he is going, he is gonna be worse for us than Clinton was.
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No, I'm a North American. But I don't claim to be able to tell you how the citizens of Canada feel about Mugabe or Obama.
I speak about Africans... The issue at hand is that an American called Obama is saying things that are misguided and uninformed...about an African president. If he does not want to be helpful, he just needs to concern himself with other things. We do not need him behaving worse that Reagan. The US aided the enemy during our freedom struggle; we certainly are not interested in an American president telling us what to do with freedom we won with Chinese and Russian support.
There are three distict types of Africans. In no particular order, you have the White Africans, descendants of Europeans who after we were colononised and won our 'freedom' remained. You have North African or Arabs that occupy predominantly north of the Sahara and then you have Black Africans those those that typically come to mind when describing Africa, or sub Saharan Africa. You can further break us Black Africans into further sub divisions based on our language grouping, but that's for another lecture....
I personally have no problem with the term 'cos I'm Black and I'm African, just like Black American, or is that condescending too??
nb. You even have the Asians, but I'm not gonna get into that now here either...
It is funny that when Nzinga is faced by facts he backs off and ignores my posts 
It is funny that when Nzinga is faced by facts he backs off and ignores my posts
You have no facts.
It is funny that when Nzinga is faced by facts he backs off and ignores my posts
Facts??
Your last post was a list of questions, unless I'm very much mistaken...
Facts??
Your last post was a list of questions, unless I'm very much mistaken...
A list of questions trying to prove to him that Mugabe lost the elections he is not the democratically elected leader of Zimbabwe.
Is that in doubt?.....I'm sure it's widely accepted that the election process was flawed, but that was never the topic under discussion.....
What questions?
What is the topic under discussion ?
Read the thread title!!!!
A hero does not order the people he supposedly liberated to be killed for exercising their right to elect a leader of their choice.
A hero does not commit a genocide against people his people. Read about the Gukurahundi genocide which resulted in thousands of innocent Matebele's being killed.
We've discussed this already, I never claimed or supported any claim that he was faultless..
My critisisms of him have been documented in this thread amonsgt others....
However....
His lone stance for the country against imperialist and domestic agitators, to try and ensure that Zimbabweans own their country and have something to future generations to inherit is heroic......
Kwame Nkrumah is widely seen as a hero accross Africa, he too had blood on his hands, and ironically at the time of the coup in Ghana was deeply unpopular within the country....
He has sold the country to the Chinese, right now they own everything from the mines to the stores, flooding our market with cheap goods which have earned a nickname called zhing zhong
Nobody is perfect, and his intercession in the 100 year old conflict with the Ndebele was ill-considered and terrible. He made a mistake and that is a mark against his legacy. But he also sent the Zimbabwe army to defend the freedom of Mozambique against South African supported counter revolutionaries. He sent an 11 000 man division more than 1000 miles upfield (farther than the Germans had gone in Russia) to defend the integrity of Zaire. He made an enormous error of judgement when he diffused Kaunda's pressure on the English political accomodation (between the monarchy and government) for which he endeared himself to a grateful Thatcher..
However his legacy is decided by how he fought for freedom of Zimbabwe, how he made progressive policies after that for the African people. He recovered the land cacs had stolen 100 years before, and that wipes out his other sins...
You need to understand why this is happening, or rather being done to Zimbabwe. The country is fighting for its life against powerful forces that want to reverse its independence..The cause not the symptoms, is the problem...
But Mugabe has succumbed to China. Which powerful forces is he fighting if our country is now owned by the Chinese who run everything from mines to supermarkets ?
Regardless of the reason of why it's happening a good leader should sometimes step down to avoid worse. What kind of leader fights CAC by starving his own people and watching them die, thats like beating yourself up to win a fight. Mugabe picked a losing battle where the only casualties are black zimbabweans, ironically he is still afraid of the white zimbabweans.
The US never established good relations even before President Obama took office. Even when Condoleezza Rice was Secretary of State he called her a girl and a white man's slave. Any leader should know better than to be disrespectful to the US Sec'y of State. But again what can be expected from a man who gained power by rigging elections. Your hero!
The point is you hate Black Americans and their lifestyles. Your just as bad as those "Tea Baggers" They love black people like you who are constantly looking to find fault with President Obama. I can't ever remember you saying anything positive about what happens here. Yet a man who gave his followers orders to murder tens of thousands back in the 80s, then had countless more die of starvation you consider a hero.
But again all you do is complain. So if the shit here is so bad leave. Especially since your so unhappy here. Stop pestering us with your bullshit.
In Congo the only reason he went there was to loot diamonds, the UN named him as one of master minders behind the looting of Congolese diamonds. The SADC bloc was against his intervention into the Congo conflict, they didn't endorse his decision at all.
For the land he took it from the whites and gave it to his few cronies who now own all the fertile farms. His vice president called Joyce Mujuru grabbed over 20 farms. Why doesn't he release the land audit ? The few blacks who got the land didn't have the property rights to that land which means they could not get capital from banks for them to do their farming. Nzinga, you are an ignoramus when it comes to Zimbabwean politics.
When it comes to the issue of independence, he didn't fight the guerrilla warfare alone he had the help and support of our parents. So don't make it look like he single handedly brought independence to the country.
I guess I may as well play Devil's Advocate here. Obama absolutely needs to step up and stop acting like the US is suddenly color blind. I honestly think he's afraid to open that can of worms because he wants to be reelected and thinks the whites that put him in office will drop their support if he starts trying to level the field for minorities in America. The best we can hope for is that after a reelection he'll let the hood side come out and right all these racial wrongs. As for Mugabe, hell he was right on for gettin' them crackas out of his country but he went about it all wrong. Mugabe is truly a sadistic animal but he's only called that because all of his dirty laundry is on front street. The US and its leaders have did more dirt than a hundred Mugabes!
Your argument is boiled down to two wrongs make a right. Talk about a logical fallacy !
Naw actually I got off track. I'm not making a comparison here. I'm just making light of issues no one seems to want to talk about.
We need to watch the chinks...
While I don't agree with everything you have said in this thread, I certainly can see your point here.
1. Why would Mugabe spend $1 million a day, to send troops to Zaire when he could simply pocket that money, and not have to loot anything anywhere
2. Why would he go to loot diamonds that are mainly Kasai Occidental and Oriental, rather than the eastern Zaire where he fought, when there are plenty of diamonds in Mutare, Zimbabwe? This bullshit about him wanting to loot Zaire was a scheme concocted by cacs to discredit the most selfless and progressive action taken by an African leader. In the same place and similar circumstances, cacs had Bob Denaud and his French mercenaries reverse the independence of Zaire by staging a counter coup in the 1960s.. In that time, we Africans were helpless because we had just got independence, had no soldiers under our command, and were at the mercy of cacs... This time, when they tried to reprise that nonsense, Angola and Zimbabwe were ready and taught cacs and their cronies in Rwanda and Angola a lesson never to be forgotten..
3. Fuck SADC, Mandela behaved in a very suspicious manner. It seems that the bugger connived with Clinton to try and usurp the government of Joseph Kabila Sr. There was a US warship that was suspiciously moored off the harbour of Zaire's only sea port, Matadi. Somehow, Ugandan soldiers appeared on the far side of Kinshasa, and started cutting off its electrical supply on the whim as they threatened the country.
4. With Zimbabwe on the ground, and Angola in the air, the fight turned into a one sided slaughter, such that within very short order, Angola was ferrying Ugandan dead and wounded to Uganda. Angola has one of the strongest militaries in Africa, and its airforce has Africa's biggest lift capacity. Angola can take the war to Cameroon and fight the likes Nigeria to a possible defeat or stalemate. It has a formidable military...
5. As for SADC at the time, it was made up of the likes Chiluba, a skin-bleaching Zairian pygmy, who never went to school, and changed his name to Frederick Chiluba (from Titus Chabala Kafupi), after he stole Chiluba's secondary school certificate in the early 1960s. He worships cacs and would never do anything progressive that opposed them...
Malawi is small country that can't do shit. Mozambique is too far away; Tanzania is averse to war after that expensive conflict with Uganda in 1979...The only countries left to act were Angola and Zimbabwe and they behaved heroically..
6. As for the dispersion of the recovered land, it may be necessary to do the audit when Mugabe dies and redistribute the land equitably. I do not doubt or deny that cronyism, nepotism and outright corruption could have influenced the land distribtion process...
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yeah, I'll check in just in the off chance that he does.... or hell freezes over, whichever comes first
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