NYC elite public education

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do you think that the Bloomberg administration should step in at all? in my opinion, the declining numbers of blacks and latinos is a function of cultural values, not really of capability or exposure to resources. Asians value education much higher than Blacks.

Promises Kept and Broken
July 14th, 2009

Mayor Michael Bloomberg yesterday released a report on how well he has kept, or not kept, his 2005 campaign promises. Not surprisingly he gives himself pretty good grades.

(More surprising might be why this report shows up on the official New York City government site rather than on the campaign site, since whatever the merits of the tally, it is difficult to see it as anything other than a campaign document.)

Of some 100 promises Bloomberg made in 2005, the mayor says 38 are “done” and that he has launched another 55. Only two — expanding the gun court into Manhattan and working with the state “to create a family health plus buy-in program” –are listed as “not done.”

Pretty impressive but, of course, it depends a bit on what the definition of “done” is, as Elizabeth Green makes clear in her analysis of the education promises made and kept.

For example in 2005, Bloomberg pledged to “improve access to selective schools for students in under-served communities.” To accomplish that, the city has spread the word about the schools — and so it says, it has kept the promise.

Maybe the city deserves an “A” for effort but that effort has simply not worked. In a school system that is 40 percent Hispanic and 32 percent black, blacks and Hispanics together accounted for only 14 percent of the offers of admission to the city’s elite high school this year, the New York Times reported.

This year’s figures continue a trend of declining black and Hispanic enrollment at the prestigious public schools. Looking at the figures for the 2005-2006 academic year, the Times found that “blacks made up 4.8 percent of the Bronx Science student body, according to city figures, down from 11.8 percent in 1994-95…. At Brooklyn Technical High School, the proportion of black students has declined to 14.9 percent from 37.3 percent 11 years ago, and at Stuyvesant, blacks now make up 2.2 percent of the student body, down from 4.4 percent.”

Blacks and Hispanics also are underrepresented in city Gifted And Talented programs for elementary school children — though not as grievously.
 
as a kid who was in gifted programs and went to an elite high school - a lot of the opportunities that came my way were chance.

i finished grade school and applied to high school in the 90s. i had two straight years of perfect grades - meaning I had a 100 average in the sixth and seventh grade. they don't skip kids anymore. when asked if i should be put into gifted programs - my school wanted to keep me there since I'd be zoned out of the district. whenever someone wanted to tell the world that the schools were working they'd slap a clip on tie on me and trot me out like a show horse.

my 7th grade teacher put me on track to elite high schools. he tutored me in the math i'd need to know to get in on his own time after school - no charge. then he sat with me - this is in the 8th grade - i'm not even in his class anymore - and he helped me complete all the applications and he counseled me on essays and made sure i was ready for standardized testing. I scored in the 99th percentile. In fact, he's the one who hooked me up so i could take college courses that summer - @ BMCC.

in other words, in my experience, my school - in harlem - had a vested interest in keeping me there and or sending me to a zone school - because students like myself served a public interest - and that is that the schools are working. You trot out a kid with an A average and you keep the D and F students in the cellar.

On top of this - standardized classes don't prepare the average bright kid for admission into elite schools like bronx science - you'd need additional tutoring - which poor kids can't afford. Like I said, I was lucky that my teacher took an uncommon interest in me.

lastly, but most importantly, these parents suck. they send their kids to school and absolve themselves of the whoel affair. If i had a kid in swchool now applying to high school - I could tutor him in the math he'd need - the science he'd need - in making sure he structures his arguments and supports them in essays and understands the thematic nuance in history lessons - but that's only because i'd be an interested participant. with the internet it's ridiculous that parents are so hands off. so the kids end up like their parents.

my mother was hands off too - but she was a dropout and defensive about being unschooled - that intervention saved me and i saved my brother behind me. If I'd a stayed in Harlem - who the fuck knows?????
 
i am also an alum of the top 3. with the advent of the internet, there is no reason why a self motivated person, regardless of ethnicity, should not be able to prepare himself with the vast amount of resources on the internet. in fact, i can say with certainty, i've learned more on the internet than i ever did in thru my ivy league education.
 
do you think that the Bloomberg administration should step in at all? in my opinion, the declining numbers of blacks and latinos is a function of cultural values, not really of capability or exposure to resources. Asians value education much higher than Blacks.

This.
 
. Asians value education much higher than Blacks and Whites in America.
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that pretty much sums up the problem. from the lack of family structure to the constant idolization of rappers/sports figures on TV they just aren't interested in school. And this isn't just here this is all over the world. In Caribbean they publish standardize test results and who is always in the top 5...Asians



Asians take up about 4-6% of the population but as percentage has the highest income levels for a race here. Research this.


These people come here with nothing and get their education and make something out of it, its hard for me feel sorry for people who still cry slavery, racism, etc as a reason for not being successful.
 
Asians are at the top, but they're also burdened with more pressure, by parent's, than any other group, as well.

Read about the suicides rates amongst Asian student's. Imagine being the child of a parent that you could not please? Far too many Asian's have that story to tell.
 
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that pretty much sums up the problem. from the lack of family structure to the constant idolization of rappers/sports figures on TV they just aren't interested in school. And this isn't just here this is all over the world. In Caribbean they publish standardize test results and who is always in the top 5...Asians



Asians take up about 4-6% of the population but as percentage has the highest income levels for a race here. Research this.


These people come here with nothing and get their education and make something out of it, its hard for me feel sorry for people who still cry slavery, racism, etc as a reason for not being successful.




You guys do realize that there is a group that gets higher percentage of higher degrees than the Asians. Matter of fact higher than any other. One guess...


























Non-American born people of African descent . That means BLACKS from Africa, Carribean and Latin America. B-L-A-C-K.


America is a perfect example on how to ruin a people. The blacks with their culture less spoiled by CACs culture are doing fine and beating out everybody.


wikipedia said:
Africans have the highest educational attainment rates of any immigrant group in the United States, with higher levels of completion than the stereotyped Asian American model minority.[4][5] Estimates indicate that a significant percentage of black students are at elite universities are African or the children of African immigrants. [6]

Harvard University, for example, has estimated that two-thirds of their black population is not traditional Afro Americans.[7] This is true for other universities such as Brown, Yale, Princeton, Penn, Columbia, Duke and Berkeley.[8] As a result, the benefits of affirmative action are not efficiently serving traditional multi-generational black Americans who are descendants of American slaves.[7]


This is also causing a rivalry with the American born blacks because the college are using the foreign born blacks to displace the American born blacks. America still has a long ways to go to fix the damage that SLAVERY DID. The effects and system is still in place to marginalize BLACKS.
 
as a kid who was in gifted programs and went to an elite high school - a lot of the opportunities that came my way were chance.

i finished grade school and applied to high school in the 90s. i had two straight years of perfect grades - meaning I had a 100 average in the sixth and seventh grade. they don't skip kids anymore. when asked if i should be put into gifted programs - my school wanted to keep me there since I'd be zoned out of the district. whenever someone wanted to tell the world that the schools were working they'd slap a clip on tie on me and trot me out like a show horse.

my 7th grade teacher put me on track to elite high schools. he tutored me in the math i'd need to know to get in on his own time after school - no charge. then he sat with me - this is in the 8th grade - i'm not even in his class anymore - and he helped me complete all the applications and he counseled me on essays and made sure i was ready for standardized testing. I scored in the 99th percentile. In fact, he's the one who hooked me up so i could take college courses that summer - @ BMCC.

in other words, in my experience, my school - in harlem - had a vested interest in keeping me there and or sending me to a zone school - because students like myself served a public interest - and that is that the schools are working. You trot out a kid with an A average and you keep the D and F students in the cellar.

On top of this - standardized classes don't prepare the average bright kid for admission into elite schools like bronx science - you'd need additional tutoring - which poor kids can't afford. Like I said, I was lucky that my teacher took an uncommon interest in me.

lastly, but most importantly, these parents suck. they send their kids to school and absolve themselves of the whoel affair. If i had a kid in swchool now applying to high school - I could tutor him in the math he'd need - the science he'd need - in making sure he structures his arguments and supports them in essays and understands the thematic nuance in history lessons - but that's only because i'd be an interested participant. with the internet it's ridiculous that parents are so hands off. so the kids end up like their parents.

my mother was hands off too - but she was a dropout and defensive about being unschooled - that intervention saved me and i saved my brother behind me. If I'd a stayed in Harlem - who the fuck knows?????


I have to co-sign you 100 on this one.
 
You guys do realize that there is a group that gets higher percentage of higher degrees than the Asians. Matter of fact higher than any other. One guess...


























Non-American born people of African descent . That means BLACKS from Africa, Carribean and Latin America. B-L-A-C-K.


America is a perfect example on how to ruin a people. The blacks with their culture less spoiled by CACs culture are doing fine and beating out everybody.





This is also causing a rivalry with the American born blacks because the college are using the foreign born blacks to displace the American born blacks. America still has a long ways to go to fix the damage that SLAVERY DID. The effects and system is still in place to marginalize BLACKS.
i want to point out a higher degree does not mean anything. for example, what good would a PHd really do for an African than a Harvard MBA do for an Asian? it's the application of the degree that matters.
 
i want to point out a higher degree does not mean anything. for example, what good would a PHd really do for an African than a Harvard MBA do for an Asian? it's the application of the degree that matters.

Excuse me? Dude they are getting degrees in all areas. How about talking about how skin color come into play.

Point is, there is a group that values it as much or more and they ain't killing themselves. :lol:

African immigrants (blacks from outside the US)

If you have time do more research.


Black immigrants, the invisible model minority
Oakland Tribune, Mar 18, 2007

DO African immigrants make the smartest Americans? If you were judging by statistics alone, you could find plenty of evidence to back it up.

In a side-by-side comparison of 2000 census data by sociologist John Logan at the Mumford Center, State University of New York at Albany, black immigrants from Africa average the highest educational attainment of any population group in the country, including whites and Asians.

For example, 43.8 percent of African immigrants had achieved a college degree, compared to 42.5 of Asian Americans, 28.9 percent for immigrants from Europe, Russia and Canada, and 23.1 percent of the U.S. population.

That defies the usual stereotypes of Asian Americans as the only "model minority." Yet the traditional American narrative has rendered the high academic achievements of black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean invisible, as if it were a taboo topic.

Instead, we should take a closer look. That was my reaction in 2004 after black Harvard law professor Lani Guinier and Henry Louis Gates Jr., chairman of Harvard's African-American studies department, stirred a black Harvard alumni reunion with questions about precisely where the university's new black students were coming from.

About 8 percent, or 530, of Harvard's undergraduates were black, they said, but somewhere between one-half and two-thirds of black undergraduates were "West Indian and African immigrants or their children, or to a lesser extent, children of biracial couples."

If we take a closer look, I said at the time, I bet we'll find that Harvard's not alone. With all of the ink and airwaves that have been devoted to immigration these days, black immigrants remain remarkably invisible. Yet their success has long followed the patterns of other high-achieving immigrants.

As one immigrant Jamaican friend once told me, "I'm too busy working two jobs to worry about the white man's racism."

Now comes a new study that finds a consistent pattern of Ivy League and other elite colleges and universities boosting their black student populations by enrolling large numbers of immigrants from Africa, the West Indies and Latin America.

Immigrants, who make up 13 percent of the nation's college-age black population, account for more than a quarter of black students at Ivy League and other elite universities, according to the study of 28 selective schools published recently in the American Journal of Education. The proportion of immigrants was higher at private institutions, 28.8 percent, than at the public ones, where they comprised 23.1 percent of enrollment.

Are elite schools padding their racial diversity numbers with black immigrants who do not have a history of American slavery in their families? This development calls into question whether affirmative action admission policies are fulfilling their original intent.

But as Walter Benn Michaels, a professor of English at the University of Illinois at Chicago, writes in his book "The Trouble With Diversity: How We Learned to Love Identity and Ignore Inequality," the original intent of affirmative action morphed back in the 1970s from reparations for slavery into the promotion of a broader virtue: "diversity." Since then, it no longer seems to matter how many of your college's black students had slavery in their families. It only matters that they are black.

That said, I don't begrudge black immigrants or any other high- achieving immigrants for their impressive achievements. I applaud them. I encourage more native-born American children, particularly my own child, to take similar advantage of this country's hard-won opportunities.

But I also think we need to revisit the meaning of "diversity." Unlike our current system of feel-good game-playing, we need to focus on the deeper question of how education can be improved and opportunities opened up to those who were left behind by the civil rights revolution.

We tend to look too often at every aspect of diversity except economic class. Yet, the dream of upward mobility is an essential part of how we Americans like to think of ourselves.

It's also why a lot more people are trying to get into this country than trying to get out.

The racist folks know this and do everything to put us at a disadvantage. On a leveled playing field we perform better. Period.
 
Good discussion, but y'all are letting Bloomberg off the hook.
The truth is that NYC schools are failing more now that ever because they're sacrificing everything just for higher test scores. If a school has a certain reading level, it is deemed "successful". Meanwhile, this cat has implemented the Charter School programs. Don't know all the details, but supposedly, these will be the schools where you can get a more rounded education, but you can only get into one through winning a fucking lottery. Meanwhile the rest of the 95% of schools will continue to operate at minimum effiency. So good education will only be for the affluent.

while this billionaire buys his way into an illegal third term as mayor
 
Good discussion, but y'all are letting Bloomberg off the hook.
The truth is that NYC schools are failing more now that ever because they're sacrificing everything just for higher test scores. If a school has a certain reading level, it is deemed "successful". Meanwhile, this cat has implemented the Charter School programs. Don't know all the details, but supposedly, these will be the schools where you can get a more rounded education, but you can only get into one through winning a fucking lottery. Meanwhile the rest of the 95% of schools will continue to operate at minimum effiency. So good education will only be for the affluent.

while this billionaire buys his way into an illegal third term as mayor

:yes:

We got side tracked because somebody said Blacks don't value education. I was just proving otherwise. Based on the facts Blacks do value it more and in a healthier way. There are however a huge disenfranchised group that get shitty services that blind the facts. If all blacks got the same treatment as whites do on average we'd be surpass. And as we know , America ain't having that.

back on topic...

The Bloomberg situation is America at its finest. Look quite simply the Whites are leaving the suburbs. Thats why there is such a huge push in NYC to gentrify Brooklyn Queens and Harlem as well as many other areas of NYC.
 
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post the statistical findings. with my bg in stats, i bet i can pick it apart.

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Aside from African (i.e. from Africa) and kids from the Caribbean, very few of black kids leave HS with a quality education.

Many immediately fuck up in their first year of college - be it community college or whatever.

I don't care if parents are not involved - that's a important issue as well but I personally see the reason being lack of resources devoted to the kids and all the inexperianced teachers being teaching the kids.

All I can say is that NYC kids are generally screwed for the future... very few make it out.
 
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Don't stop the elite education. If You can afford the elite schools why would you put your child in some subpar public school? If You know you cannot afford the elite school when your child is born, make sure you do all you can to get your child the best education possible.
 
Aside from African (i.e. from Africa) and kids from the Caribbean, very few of black kids leave HS with a quality education.

Many immediately fuck up in their first year of college - be it community college or whatever.

I don't care if parents are not involved - that's a important issue as well but I personally see the reason being lack of resources devoted to the kids and all the inexperianced teachers being teaching the kids.

All I can say is that NYC kids are generally screwed for the future... very few make it out.



Maybe You speaking on NY. I know all of my friends who left their highschool with a quality education and did well in college are doing well today. Myself included I went to private school unti the 10th grade and after that I graduated from a great publicschool. :yes:
 
It really does matter to me.

I see and use the school they attend as a primer. They get the real/supplemental education when they get home. My business hours are 10:00 AM EST to 2:00 PM EST during the school year. I made it my business to be there for them no matter what.

When they are not in school - I bring my children along with me when conducting my business.

It's summer in NYC - Woke up @ 6:00 AM EST - Took my kids kayaking, went to the archery range and then my little one did some reading/ABC's exercises while my oldest did 10 sheets of math, 10 sheets of reading assignments and 1 construction exercise (K'nex advance series) - Went bike riding to business engagement. Then went to a chess event in the city. My oldest has 2 books to read before the night is over.

DON'T WAIT FOR ANYTHING TO HAPPEN WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR CHILD'S EDUCATION!
 
It really does matter to me.

I see and use the school they attend as a primer. They get the real/supplemental education when they get home. My business hours are 10:00 AM EST to 2:00 PM EST during the school year. I made it my business to be there for them no matter what.

When they are not in school - I bring my children along with me when conducting my business.

It's summer in NYC - Woke up @ 6:00 AM EST - Took my kids kayaking, went to the archery range and then my little one did some reading/ABC's exercises while my oldest did 10 sheets of math, 10 sheets of reading assignments and 1 construction exercise (K'nex advance series) - Went bike riding to business engagement. Then went to a chess event in the city. My oldest has 2 books to read before the night is over.

DON'T WAIT FOR ANYTHING TO HAPPEN WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR CHILD'S EDUCATION!
What line of court work has those hours? That's really odd hours.

also, how do you have two wives as u mentioned in the other thread?
 
What line of court work has those hours? That's really odd hours.

also, how do you have two wives as u mentioned in the other thread?

I am a volunteer family court advocate. I have explained that before in another thread. I assist fathers at court that have those same court dates - If not I assist through the P.E.A.C.E (Parent Education and Custody Effectiveness) program. I get no income from this - It's just what I like to do. My income comes from several small businesses that I run.

I also explained that in the same thread I mentioned it.
 
Stuyvesant is the top ranked public school in which admission is granted via relative testing.

At Stuyvesant, Interpreting Parent-Teacher Night
By SUSAN DOMINUS

They were too old to be high school students, but not old enough to be the parents. They were lingering near Room 236 at Stuyvesant High School, a group of 20 young people, all of them Asian, standing awkwardly together, waiting for the moment when their peripheral but crucial role would become clear to the main characters at the event, the vaunted parent-teacher night.

Two big signs at the school entrance, one written in Chinese, explained their mission: Parents in need of interpreters could find them by Room 236. (Teachers supervised the writing of the signs, noted Harvey Blumm, who coordinated the event, “so we’d know they didn’t say, ‘Go find a bathroom and stick your head in it.’ ”)

Sally Liu, 26, a university graduate student in film, came because she knew what it was like to be lost in a sea of English. Lin Lin Cheng, who is 18 and studying paleontology, had some extra time during her spring break. And Ying Lin, 19, an undergraduate interested in business, had always wanted to see the inside of Stuyvesant.

At every school, the parent-teacher conference has an “Alice in Wonderland” feeling — men and women contorting their bodies to fit undersize desks, transported back to a time when they cowered before the judgment of teachers. But the Stuyvesant event is a confusing adrenaline sport on top of that, a mad rush in which strivers race to sign up for meetings with in-demand teachers who will tell them everything they need to know about their children’s academic careers, provided it can be done within the three-minute limit.

For parents who do not speak English — at Stuyvesant, perhaps 5 percent to 10 percent — the process is all the more discomfiting. Stuyvesant, a school of 3,200 students, has seen its Asian population soar to 70 percent, which inspired Mr. Blumm to start asking for volunteer interpreters. Students interpreting for their own parents could be less-than-reliable sources. “You have to watch the parents’ facial expressions pretty closely,” said Gary Rubinstein, a math teacher at the school.

He Qiu Hua, a mother of two who moved to New York in 1992, walked quickly from floor to floor the other night, clutching a sheet of paper with room numbers on it and sticking closely to Ms. Cheng, who came to New York last year from Wuhan, China.

Once inside a math classroom, Ms. Hua stared intently at Ms. Cheng as she interpreted the teacher’s words: The second quiz was not as strong as he might have liked; her daughter was very quiet; he would like to hear more from her in class.

The concern on the younger woman’s face was evident as she interpreted, her head nearly touching Ms. Hua’s. They looked like longtime collaborators, not women from provinces 1,000 miles apart who had met a few hours earlier. Ms. Cheng admitted later that she could not help but try to protect her new friend from some of what she was hearing. There is a Chinese word for quiet that has especially positive connotations for girls, she said — its meaning is closer to ladylike — and that was the one she chose.

In a meeting with a science teacher, Ms. Cheng’s face subtly lighted up as she told Ms. Hua that her daughter’s lab work was strong.

Ms. Hua and her husband, both from Fuzhou, had worked hard to open a Chinese restaurant on Avenue M in Brooklyn — so hard that she had no time to study English. When each of her two children started third grade, she took them every Saturday to classes in Chinatown, where they studied — and did homework for — coursework a year ahead of their public school grade’s. (Those trying to solve the frustrating shortage of black and Hispanic students who score high enough on Stuyvesant’s entrance exam might start by taking a look at whatever magic happens in those Chinatown Saturday schools.)

Ms. Hua was proud when each of her children got into Stuyvesant, but still expected the best of them, and worried she was not getting it.

“Are they on Facebook or doing their homework on the computer? My English isn’t good enough for me to know,” she said to her daughter’s biology teacher, who could only nod sympathetically.

When the two women parted ways, Ms. Hua had a lot on her mind, and Ms. Cheng felt a little homesick. “She reminded me of my own mother,” Ms. Cheng said. “Like all mothers, she worries.”

Ms. Hua, who had not managed to talk to every teacher she wanted to, intended to return on Friday to finish up. Ms. Cheng, a dutiful daughter to someone else’s mother, assured her she would be there to help.
 
everytime i bring up this subject
cats always say i'm crazy

Oakland Tribune said:
Are elite schools padding their racial diversity numbers with black immigrants who do not have a history of American slavery in their families?

but case in point

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we keep fallin for the okey doke

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Heavily influenced by Confucian ethics and two millenia of standardized testing being the gauge for accomplishments in society, East Asians prize academic achievement above almost everything else. Asian parents often go to extraordinary lengths to sacrifice for their children. I have known Chinese kids whose parents waited tables and sewed garments for a few cents a shirt collar, 12 to 14 hours a day, six or seven days a week, who would scrimp those pennies and buy their kids brand new computers to do their junior high school homework with — and this was in the early 90′s when an office computer would be two thousand dollars. Few other cultures push as many of their members to go to such lengths to achieve academically, and the result is that more of Asians realize more of their academic potential than any other ethnicity.

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February 25, 2012
To Be Black at Stuyvesant High
By FERNANDA SANTOS

LIKE a city unto itself, Stuyvesant High School, in Lower Manhattan, is broken into neighborhoods, official and otherwise. The math department is on the 4th of its 10 floors; biology is on the 7th. Seniors congregate by the curved mint wall off the second-floor atrium, next to lockers that are such prime real estate that students trade them for $100 or more. Sophomores are relegated to the sixth floor.

In Stuyvesant slang, the hangouts are known as “bars.” Some years ago, the black students took over the radiators outside the fifth-floor cafeteria, and the place soon came to be known as the “chocolate bar,” lending it an air of legitimacy in the school’s labyrinth of cliques and turfs.

It did not last long. This year, Asian freshmen displaced the black students in a strength-in-numbers coup in which whispers of indignation were the sole expression of resistance. There was no point arguing, said Rudi-Ann Miller, a 17-year-old senior who came to New York from Jamaica and likes to style her hair in a bun, slick and straight, like the ballerina she once dreamed of becoming.

“The Asian kids, they’re just everywhere,” she said.

When the bell rings and the school’s 3,295 students spill out of classrooms into the maze of hallways, escalators and stairs like ants in a farm, blacks stand out because they are so rare. Rudi was one of 64 black students four years ago when she entered Stuyvesant, long considered New York City’s flagship public school. She is now one of 40.

Asians, on the other hand, make up 72.5 percent of Stuyvesant’s student body (they are 13.7 percent of the city’s overall public school population), a staggering increase from 1970, when they were 6 percent of Stuyvesant students, according to state enrollment statistics. Back then, white students made up 79 percent of Stuyvesant’s enrollment; this year, they are 24 percent, and 14.9 percent systemwide.

Hispanic students are 40.3 percent of the system. Currently, they make up 2.4 percent of Stuyvesant’s enrollment, while blacks, who make up 32 percent of the city’s public school students, are 1.2 percent.

New York City has eight specialized high schools whose admission is based entirely on the results of an entrance exam, a meritocratic system that does not consider race or ethnicity. The top score on the exam is 800. In recent years, the cutoff for Stuyvesant has been around 560; Rudi scored 594.

Earning a spot at Stuyvesant is unquestionably a badge of honor, sort of a secret knock to an exclusive club. As high school admissions decisions are revealed across the city in the coming week, many people are concerned that it is a club that black students — and, to a similar extent, Latinos — have an increasingly hard time cracking.

No one claims that the disparity is caused by overt discrimination. But in a school that is devised to attract the best of the best, parents and educators alike find the demographics troubling. It has become a question of perception as to who belongs.

The school’s parent coordinator, Harvey Blumm, said that when he visited middle schools whose enrollments were overwhelmingly black and Latino, it was not uncommon to find students who had never heard about the specialized high school exam; or to meet students who had signed up for the exam, but had never thought of taking a practice test or prep course — something common among white and Asian students; or to have guidance counselors tell him that Stuyvesant “isn’t for our kids.”

RUDI, who lives in the Wakefield section of the Bronx, attended sixth and seventh grades in Jamaica, and eighth grade in Mount Vernon, a Westchester County suburb. Her father, Donovan Miller, a director of accounting at Bronx Community College, recalled asking a colleague for advice about enrolling Rudi, the youngest of his three children, in “the best New York City high school.” The colleague advised Mr. Miller that he had to sign her up for the specialized high school exam and, if he wanted to improve her odds, to have her take some kind of test preparation program.

Many Stuyvesant students start preparing for the exam months, even years, in advance. There are after-school, weekend and summer classes run by large companies like Kaplan and Princeton Review, as well as by neighborhood outfits like Aim Academy, in the predominantly Chinese enclave of Flushing, Queens, and the Khan’s Tutorial branch in nearby Jackson Heights, home to thousands of families from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Rudi took Kaplan’s 12-week program, which met on Saturdays at Fordham University, at a cost of $750, the summer after seventh grade. (Students take the exam in October of their eighth-grade year.) Her tutor, a Stuyvesant graduate, persuaded her to make the school her first choice.

Her mother, Annmarie Miller, a nursing assistant at a hospital in the Bronx, recalled a cousin’s reaction when she mentioned Rudi’s pick: “You have to be Chinese or Indian to get in there.” A co-worker, also black, “said the exam is built to exclude blacks because it’s heavy on math, and black people can’t do math,” Mrs. Miller said.

Rudi said she has never felt uncomfortable at Stuyvesant, but she has felt puzzled. She has been the only black person in most of her classes, and often goes hours without seeing another. The school’s attendance sheets have names and pictures of the students, and she said teachers were quick to learn who she is; there are few others like her, she said.

For Rudi, being black at Stuyvesant has been a journey of self-discovery. In Jamaica, as in parts of the Bronx, it is not skin color that distinguishes people, she said, but the car they drive, the neighborhood they live in or the job they have.

At school, she embraced her racial identity, becoming president last May of the Black Students League, the smallest of the school’s four diversity clubs, which usually draws fewer than 10 regulars to its weekly meetings. She had run unopposed.

Rudi said the league wasn’t “about black power or anything like that,” but to “make Stuy aware of our community and our culture.”

It has been a frustrating task.

As part of Black History Month, the league screened an hourlong documentary, “Slavery and the Law,” which chronicles the status of blacks from colonial times through the civil rights era. There were 100 chairs in front of the pull-down screen at Stuyvesant’s sixth-floor library; 15 students showed up.

“We’ve just never had the numbers to make it work,” Rudi lamented.

Rudi’s paternal grandfather arrived in America in 1968 and ultimately became a citizen. He paved the way for her parents, who arrived in 2006 to build their future — in a house in the suburbs at first, then just over the city line in a suburban-seeming slice of the Bronx, on a street of children-at-play signs and matching brick homes. Rudi stayed behind in Jamaica to finish seventh grade, on a government scholarship at Campion College, a school her father described as the best in Jamaica, with her sister, Nadia, who was finishing college. (They have an older brother, who still lives there.)

Rudi landed at Kennedy International Airport on July 4, 2007, to live her parents’ American dream. Nadia, who arrived a year later, gave modeling a try, and graduated from flight school before she discovered she was afraid of heights. Now she works at a bank and is considering medical school.

“Have you ever seen a doctor who’s unemployed?” Nadia, 25, asked their mother one night before dinner.

Rudi said, “My sister is definitely smarter than me.” Nadia said Rudi worked harder.

In January, a week before her midyear exams, Rudi e-mailed a friend, “I’m STRESSED and SLEEP DEPRIVED! In fact, I won’t be going to sleep tonight (second night in a row. ... Oh, well!)”

By then, she had already been accepted via early admission to Yale, her first choice. Nadia could not understand why Rudi did not just coast until graduation.

“I don’t want to be an embarrassment to my teachers,” Rudi said.

She has also had enough of the grumbling at Stuyvesant that black students do better in the college-admissions game because of their skin color.

YEAR after year, certain middle schools in New York — Mark Twain Gifted and Talented in Coney Island, Brooklyn, and the Christa McAuliffe Middle School in nearby Bensonhurst — send dozens of students to Stuyvesant, according to Mr. Blumm, the parent coordinator. (Last year, 112 students from Mark Twain and 85 from Christa McAuliffe enrolled at Stuyvesant, he said.) But years can go by without a single student from District 7, in a poor and heavily immigrant section of the South Bronx, earning admission.

Sometimes, Mr. Blumm said, blacks and Latinos who do well enough on the entrance exam to get into Stuyvesant are lured away by prestigious private high schools, which offer them full scholarships and none of the issues that even elite public schools have to contend with, like tight budgets and overcrowding. Last year, 11 black students enrolled. Eleanor Archie, an assistant principal who is black, said it was the fewest she can recall in her more than 20 years at Stuyvesant.

“That’s what we keep worrying about,” Ms. Archie said. “It keeps getting smaller and smaller.”

Opraha Miles, who was president of the Black Students League before her graduation from Stuyvesant in 2010, said she feared the club would disappear for lack of members and interest. She said she used to have to “hunt people down,” dragging them from the chocolate bar to the league’s meetings to ensure a quorum.

Ms. Miles, now 19 and a sophomore at Wesleyan University, remembered a discussion the league hosted when she was at Stuyvesant on the school’s demographics, during which an Asian boy said, she recalled, “Something to the effect that it wasn’t our fault, but that blacks aren’t smart enough; they don’t work hard enough” to get in.

“It still stings,” she said.

In a separate discussion about their dwindling ranks, Ms. Miles said, a black student suggested, “Why not go to the middle schools people like us attend and tell the kids about Stuyvesant?”

Stanley Teitel, the school principal, excused Ms. Miles and several others from class for a few hours so they could visit a school in Canarsie, Brooklyn, where the group spoke to an auditorium packed with sixth and seventh graders, fielding questions about what it was like to go to a school that was the stuff of legend, and if it was really that hard to get in.

The city does not track the race and ethnicity of students who take the specialized high school exam, only of those who receive offers from one of the schools, said a spokesman for the city’s Education Department. In 2010, 28,280 students took the test; 5,404 scored high enough to earn a slot. The department did not have race or ethnicity information for 979 of those with sufficiently high scores because they came from private schools or from outside the city, and questions of race and ethnicity are not part of the exam application. But of the remainder, 47 percent were Asian, 23 percent were white, 6 percent were Hispanic, and 5 percent were black, according to city records.

Over the years, there have been a host of efforts to increase the number of black and Latino students at Stuyvesant and the other large specialized high schools in the city, Bronx High School of Science and Brooklyn Technical High School, like making interviews and grade-point averages part of the admissions process. At Brooklyn Tech, 10 percent of the 5,332 students today are black — sizable in the realm of specialized high schools, but also a big drop from 1999-2000, when 24 percent were black. At Bronx Science, 3.5 percent of the 3,013 students are black, down from 9 percent in 1999-2000.

The number of blacks at Stuyvesant peaked in 1975, when they made up 12 percent of the school’s enrollment, or 303 of the school’s 2,536 students. In 1980, there were 212 black students; in 1990, 147; in 2000, 109; and in 2005, 66, state records show.

Lisa Mullins, who graduated from Stuyvesant in 1977 and is among the core members of its Black Alumni Association, suggested in an interview that the schools should automatically accept the valedictorian and salutatorian of every city middle school, an echo of the Texas program that grants admission to the state’s flagship public university to the top 10 percent of graduates of every high school. Last week, the United States Supreme Court agreed to hear a challenge to the Texas program from a white student who said she had been rejected because of her race.

Ms. Miles, for her part, said the city needed do a better job disseminating information about the test and the free preparatory programs available.

The city’s Education Department has been offering such a program, with weekend and summer coaching sessions to promising but disadvantaged sixth graders — and, this year only, seventh graders — for more than 20 years. Its original mission was to increase the number of blacks and Latinos, but after a legal challenge in 2007, income became its main eligibility criteria. Since then, however, the program has shrunk — 2,800 students attended in 2008, down from 3,800 two years before — and even among those who participated, black and Latino students were far less likely to take the entrance exam than Asians and whites. This year, Stuyvesant’s Black Alumni Association started offering a more modest version of the tutoring program, benefiting about 100 students. (How they fared will not be known until this week’s admissions letters are sent out.) The middle school visits by the Black Students League and others from Stuyvesant’s diversity clubs have become an annual tradition.

About 10 years ago, Stuyvesant opted out of a program established in the 1970s to give disadvantaged students with exam scores just below the cutoff level a chance to study over the summer and earn a slot at the school.

Mr. Teitel, the principal, declined to comment for this article, but explained his decision last year, at a forum that was held after a video by a group of white students rapping racist and otherwise offensive lyrics made its way to YouTube. He said that a change in Education Department policies meant he could take into the program only students who scored too low for admission to any of the city’s specialized schools, but not those who missed Stuyvesant’s cutoff and got in somewhere else.

That would have most likely meant that students in the target group would have tested 80 or 90 points below the lowest-scoring student Stuyvesant had admitted — a gap, he said, too wide for most of them to overcome.

“They would find it incredibly difficult to succeed,” Mr. Blumm, the parent coordinator, said in an interview.

ABOUT three-quarters of Stuyvesant’s students are immigrants or children of immigrants. Yet Ángel Colón, a portly Puerto Rican who serves as adviser to the schools’ diversity and community-service student groups, said he realized one day that there was a problem with the colorful brochures the black students brought to the middle schools they visited: “There wasn’t a black or brown face in the crowd,” he said.

Mr. Colón, 44, whose formal education ended upon graduation from high school in the Bronx, has turned his office, on the seventh floor at Stuyvesant, into a kind of refuge for the school’s gay, Latino and black students, drawing them partly with a generous supply of cookies and Rice Krispie Treats. The students seek him out for his simple wisdom — “You’ve got to be happy with who you are,” he might tell them — and his nonjudgmental ear.

A lot of black students, he said, have confided, “If I could do it all over again, I don’t know if I would have come here.”

“There’s something very isolating,” Mr. Colón said, “about being one of the very few.”

Rudi has never harbored regrets. There have been disappointing and enraging moments, she said, like when a good friend, the only black senior in Stuyvesant’s esteemed speech-and-debate team, was given a book on rap lyrics as a holiday gift from a white boy she had been mentoring.

Like many of her white and Asian classmates who make lengthy treks from the outer reaches of Brooklyn and Queens to Stuyvesant’s campus near the site of ground zero, Rudi begins each day before dawn. She sets the alarm on her cellphone for 5:30 a.m., and puts it at the edge of her bed so she has to get up to turn it off. At 6:15, she rouses her father, who drives her to the Wakefield/241st Street stop on the No. 2 train to Manhattan.

One recent morning on the train, she rested her head on an environmental science book as thick and heavy as an encyclopedia volume, squeezed on each side by strangers drinking coffee and nodding off. Blue earphones piped in Bob Marley and U2 tunes, her antidote against the rattle of the hourlong ride.

After exiting at Chambers Street, she quick-stepped west, then across a pedestrian bridge and into the exclusive club, book pressed against her chest like armor as she lost herself in a sea of arriving students. Hers was the only black face in sight.
 
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