Now we know why Isaiah Thomas was left off the DREAM TEAM
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Whose quality wasn't any better than a decent college team.
Showbiz. Money. Public relations. The usual shit. Fear of losing. (How'd subsequent "Dream Teams" do?? At least one was a huge embarrassment.)
They didn't need to. Wouldn't be fair.
So would've ANY college player, fool. It was a token nod to the college ranks.
No, he was way better. Especially in '92.
Stockton was the greatest PG of the '90s (and the best passing PG ever). Thomas peaked in the '80s.
Hakeem Wasn't an American citizen at the time of the 1st Dream Team
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I felt he should have been on the team above Stockton, but I understand, you had Karl Malone and you had to worry about team chemistry.
Did Chuck Daley or Magic ever fight for him?
Basically Mike didn't want him on the team and that's the reason he wasn't on the team.
Did Chuck Daley or Magic ever fight for him?
Basically Mike didn't want him on the team and that's the reason he wasn't on the team.
Zeke had problems with multiple people on the squad but when all this went down... I remember the rumor being Jordan was threatening not to play if Zeke was on the team... i remember that vividly and Jordan has never denied hating Zeke...dude dedicated an entire segment of his book to hating Zeke
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M wouldn't play if Zeke did. That's it. No more no less. To say he wasn't on the team for anything having to do with skill or talent us hilarious. Stockton at his very best wasn't close to Zeke at his most injury plagued part of his career.
And Jordan was narcissist during his playing days and that is how he raised his sons.
His son signed to a low level D1 school that had a shoe deal with Adidas and he knew that. The son wore Nike 'jordans" and caused the school to lose its sponsorship.
Of course MJ bailed them out and gave them Jordans but that will only be in play while his son is there.
In any event his son was bigger than the program and he knew their deal before he signed there.
At least MJ was a beast to back up his ego.
His sons suck ass
His son signed to a low level D1 school that had a shoe deal with Adidas and he knew that. The son wore Nike 'jordans" and caused the school to lose its sponsorship.
Of course MJ bailed them out and gave them Jordans but that will only be in play while his son is there.
In any event his son was bigger than the program and he knew their deal before he signed there.
At least MJ was a beast to back up his ego.
His sons suck ass
The school knew the deal when they recruited Jordan's son so it shouldn't have been a surprise to them.Also he's been one of the leaders scorers there and they were ranked for awhile last year.The youngest son is a solid player just nowhere near the level of his father.
Zeke had problems with multiple people on the squad but when all this went down... I remember the rumor being Jordan was threatening not to play if Zeke was on the team... i remember that vividly and Jordan has never denied hating Zeke...dude dedicated an entire segment of his book to hating Zeke
They didn't like each other.Their teams didn't like each other.And some of the tension had to do with the way Isiah acted when the Bulls were finally able to overcome the Pistons sweeping them in the playoffs.Isiah led them off of the court before Game 4 was completely over and did nothing to congratulate the Bulls for their win.And apparently that shit pissed Jordan off in a big way.
How was Stockton the best in the 90's... in '92... And how is it that Stockton is a better passer than Magic... Stockton was a compiler...Whose quality wasn't any better than a decent college team.
Not True... the reason... Grown Men WILL ALWAYS BEAT KIDS in Basketball... which is why Oscar Schimdt and that Brazill team KILLED USA IN THE PAN AM GAMES. Yugoslavia also had PROS on that team.
Showbiz. Money. Public relations. The usual shit. Fear of losing. (How'd subsequent "Dream Teams" do?? At least one was a huge embarrassment.)
Like you said... FEAR OF LOSING... Since everybody else was using PROS... Why not us as well.
They didn't need to. Wouldn't be fair.
We DID need to use Pros... We were getting our ass WHIPPED in International Competition.
So would've ANY college player, fool. It was a token nod to the college ranks.
Like you said, FOOL... It was a TOKEN nod to the college ranks... Did they REALLY NEED LAETTNER??? NO!!! So it was a WASTE OF A ROSTER SPACE...
No, he was way better. Especially in '92.
Stat wise... Stockton had more assists... BUT Isiah scored more... BUT head to head... Isiah used to MURDER HIM.
Stockton was the greatest PG of the '90s (and the best passing PG ever). Thomas peaked in the '80s.
Larry Bird was better... 'Nique was better...
Larry Bird was a shell of his former self in 1992. Do not confuse the Larry Legend of the 80's with the old man in 1992. Dominique Wilkins did not have the overall game Scottie Pippen had and thus was not considered better than Pippen.
In 1992, Scottie was the best small forward in the NBA.
At least Zeke never leaned on someone's shine through his career or fucked up his cash flow like Scottie's bitch ass.
No one asked Scottie's opinion cause he never had pull like that.
He should have gone to a Nike school.
oh yeah but he didn't have that many options.
He isn't solid he is serviceable at that level which isn't even mid major.
Actually he could have walked on at a better school but he wanted a scholarship. It was a ego thing .
His brother walked on and got some PT with Illinois but transferred to where his brother is at.
In fact before Marcus turned of age he and a teammate who also went to Whitney young in Chicago with him were in Vegas and spent a shit load gambling and drinking and the dumb ass facebooked it and got the casino investigated.
The life of royalty
But my point still stands it runs in the family.
I can agree with your Bird assessment... but Dominique...
... The reason is this... Scottie was NEVER called on to carry the team... 'Nique was 28pts and 6 rebounds.. Scottie was averaging 17 pts and 7 rebounds... Who's better???...
Zeke didnt have any particular disdain for MJ... Zeke was like that with damn near everyone... Jordan did talk about them walking off the court during that sweep....but what he really didnt like was The Jordan Rules...where we used to beat him up..... he talked about that in his book and said (except for Dumars) that he thought those Bad Boyz teams disgraced the game by the way they played...he really hated everything those teams stood for.
zeke has always given Jordan props.... always called Jordan the goat too....
Stockton was nowhere NEAR as good as Isiah... NOWHERE... Isiah used to ABUSE John Stockton... He GAVE Stockton nightmares... ONLY Magic, Jordan, Hakeem the Dream and Bird were better... MAybe Karl Malone... THAT'S IT... Everybody else were LESSER TALENTS... INCLUDING SCOTTIE PIPPEN... who was a product of Jordan's success... 
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zeke should have been on the team. he was the 4th best player of his era. he was the only one to go thru magic,mike and bird to get his titles.
This is the main point here. Zeke had beaten the Bulls, Trailblazers, Lakers, and Hawks in the playoffs, and was unapologetic about it. This was there time to screw him over - and they did.
Was Zeke an ass, like MJ -----> yes.
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You're out of your mind if you think Thomas was a better pg than stockton. Stockton holds records. I think it's you who needs the nap.
You're out of your mind if you think Thomas was a better pg than stockton. Stockton holds records. I think it's you who needs the nap.
So he holds records.He also played longer than Isiah Thomas.
John Stockton:13.1 pts,10.5 asts,2.7 rebs,2.2 stls,.515 FG%
Isiah Thomas:19.2 pts,9.3 asts,3.6 rebs,1.9 stls,.452 FG%
Also Thomas could and would take over a game when necessary.Stockton did not have that ability.
exactly!!!
Stockton was a great player and his play merited him a space on the team. Isaiah was better. Jordan, Pippen and Bird didn't like him so he didn't play. He thought he was better than Stockton and put 60 on him when the two met the next season. Then during the second meeting he was going for 20 in a quarter when Karl Malone gave him an elbow that ended that shit.
As far as Leattner being a waste. Well he was but Shaq would have been able to contribute on that team and so would have Alonzo Mourning. Both were better than Leattner and were better than all of the foreign centers.
Ever see Pippen and Thomas play on the same squad? Quiet as kept, there was MUCH chemistry between those two
Same with Ewing, Wilkins, Barkley, etc...Thomas ALWAYS hooked those cats up lovely with passes whenever they played together (and Jordan was not there)
Methinks there might have been a little jealously involved on Michael's part
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Same with Ewing, Wilkins, Barkley, etc...Thomas ALWAYS hooked those cats up lovely with passes whenever they played together (and Jordan was not there)
Methinks there might have been a little jealously involved on Michael's part
MeKNOWS
You're out of your mind if you think Thomas was a better pg than stockton. Stockton holds records. I think it's you who needs the nap.
Stockton's office allowed for him to get assists in mass numbers. I'm not saying that he wasn't great but he would throw the ball to the post and Malone would face up, dribble and shoot a jumper. Stockton would be credited with an assist. Isaiah was a better pg and player but Stockton's numbers were better because of the system. Isaiah was the best player on a team that won back to back championships during the Jordan era. Stockton never did that.
I can agree with your Bird assessment... but Dominique...
Scottie's stat's aren't going to leap out of the screen like Nique's did but his overall game and ability to guard 4 positions ranked him ahead of Nique especially in a side kick role.
I'm surprised that no one has actually mentioned that MAGIC admitted that he's the main reason, not MJ, why Isaiah wasn't not on the Dream Team. They had a big falling out after rumors got out that Isaiah was telling people that Magic was gay...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Magic-Johnson-blasts-Isiah-Thomas-in-new-book-I?urn=nba-197683
Isaiah responded...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Magic-Johnson-blasts-Isiah-Thomas-in-new-book-I?urn=nba-197683
Isaiah responded...
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