Now that Wobe has fouled out...

[xfactor]

Re: fakers v. cavaliers

or is the foolish claim made as a result of short attention span fanboys with tunnel vision on the last 90 seconds of the game? are the tobe lovers making their claims based on the last 3 FGs scored by tobe? PROBABLY.

Exactly... Thats the thing I dont get... Dude could have a mediocre game (Terrible game by "Wobe" standards) and people only remember the 3 shots he made at the end of the game and automatically say he is better than LeBron because of 1 minutes worth of work.

before we take a look at the last 90 seconds, let me say that those last 3 FGs were tough looks, and each one more well defended than the last. tobe deserves credit for making those tough shots, but what do those 3 FGs prove? that he's a great player? that he's clutch?

The average fan thinks that just because a player knocks down a jumper at the end of the game...He is automatically clutch. But as the point has been brought up many times, if a player is taking 500 - 1000 shots at the end of the game, he is bound to hit some. Laws of statistics.

(1:30) [LAL 95-93] Bryant Jump Shot: Made (23 PTS)
(1:10) [CLE 95-95] Ilgauskas Driving Layup: Made (29 PTS) Assist: James (9 AST)

tobe hits the 1st FG. if that makes him clutch, then are you going to say that zydrunas ilgauskas is clutch too? you know, the guy that shot 11-15 FGAs (73%) last night? NO. you're not going to call him clutch, are you?

(0:50) [LAL 97-95] Bryant Jump Shot: Made (25 PTS)
(0:31) [CLE 97-97] Gooden Layup Shot: Made (15 PTS) Assist: Ilgauskas (3 AST)

tobe hits the 2nd FG. if that makes him clutch, then are you going to say that drew gooden is clutch too? you know, the guy that shot 7-11 FGAs (63%) last night? NO. you're not going to call him clutch, are you?

(0:08) [LAL 99-97] Bryant Jump Shot: Made (27 PTS)
(0:05) [LAL] Bryant Foul: Shooting (4 PF)

tobe hits the 3rd FG. on the next possession, lebron james posts up tobe off the feed from damon jones, spins baseline, and tobe has no choice but to hack lebron james to prevent a layup/dunk. is that a clutch play? clutch D? NO.

@ the double standard right there but you are right. Never in a million years would one of the Wobe fans say that Gooden or Illguakus made clutch baskets down the stretch for the Cavaliers.

After listening to all the responses on BGOL and other Wobe jock riders, its obvious that these people arent fans of basketball or even lakers' fans...Just drones and worshippers of a fraudulent NBA "superstar"

(2:53) [CLE] James Turnover: Bad Pass (5 TO) Steal: Bryant (2 ST)
(2:47) [LAL 92-90] George Jump Shot: Made (9 PTS) Assist: Bryant (2 AST)

THIS PLAY not only gave the fakers the lead, but it gave the fakers the advantage of possession in a 1 possession game...

Yeah I said this in my analysis on the BGOL main board...That pass deflection off LeBron he made in the Cavaliers back court is what helped put them ahead...Funny how not even the Wobe's fan club made even mention to this play.

 

[Complex]

Re: fakers v. cavaliers

A terrible game for Kobe I thought he wasn't any good

If it's so easy for other players to make shots at the end of games...why aren't other players doing it as often I don't see Michael Redd, Rip Hamilton and Ray Allen hitting game winners on a consistent basis

Gooden and Ilgauskaus don't make big shots on a consistent basis. A layup is a clutch shot? It's a reason both of them made shots at the end of games. Neither are go to players.

Also my you two morons standards, NBA basketball games should end 0/0. Because nobody should be able to score, because of the D that Kobe can't play

 

[Havoc]

Re: tobe lover defects?

does he have to turn in his tobe-lover rainbow card now?

j.a. adande is a tobe and fakers lover masquerading as a sports journalist... god forbid that home town writers ever remain objective in covering their local beat...

but i was surprised to read parts of his column this morning:

"For a while, Bryant was actually a detriment to his team .

What? you mean there's actually a tobe fan who is MAN enough to speak the TRUTH on occasion?

While Bryant sat on the bench for the first six minutes of the second quarter, the Lakers made five of six shots — with assists on all five baskets — and had no turnovers.

What? you mean its a fakers fan who is MAN enough to admit that the players NOT named tobe can actually ball? can earn their paychecks? aren't really keystone cops in purple and gold? can survive without tobe?

After Bryant and Lamar Odom returned midway through the quarter, the Lakers shot three for 14 with three turnovers. Bryant made his first shot but missed his next five shots after injuring the wrist.

What? you mean there's actually someone who paid attention to more than the LAST 2 MINUTES OF THE GAME? that tobe was responsible for hindering the fakers play? that the fakers could have improved their position had tobe not returned?

But the Lakers found ways to make it work without Bryant. Odom attacked the basket and scored 20 points to go with his 10 rebounds and nine assists. Chris Mihm had 15 points and Smush Parker 12. Devean George made all four of his shots and scored nine.

What? you mean a tobe love acknowledged that those passive, untalented bunch of hacks PROVED that they are skilled, talented, and capable of contributing?

Bryant sat for the first five minutes of the fourth quarter and was reluctant to shoot again when he re-entered.

His first jump shot was short, he missed a three-point fling as the shot clock expired, then blew past James down the baseline for a reverse layup that wouldn't drop.

my god, change IS possible... there IS hope that simpletons CAN outgrow their hero worship and recognize BASKETBALL when they see it...

I can't believe that you actually believe the stuff you come up with sometimes. Even after (in bold, italicized words) acknowledging Kobe's wrist injury (you must use telepathic powers to shoot), you still neglected to post his FG % before the injury, which occurred in the second quarter. I'm disappointed at your adamant attempts to pass on your opinion as facts.

Something I noticed in that game. Those last three shots by Kobe may not have seemed very important, but if you think about it, those were the last six points scored by the Lakers in the remainder of the game. You always speak of Kobe's habit of "hijacking the offense", but when he does it (successfully), it seems like you're even more upset that he did it with positive results, as opposed to an L.

Bryant sat out the first five minutes of the fourth period before taking over in the late going.

"It's pretty sore," he said. "I iced it. I'll come in early in the morning and get treatment."

Bryant said he told his teammates to pick up the slack because his hand was bothering him and it was tough to shoot the ball.

"They did a great job carrying me through the game," he said.

At least until the stretch run.

"His last three shots were just amazing," James said. "The guy was shooting shots like he was the only person in this arena. He has been through this before - he has (championship) rings."
http://www.forbes.com/business/healthcare/feeds/ap/2006/01/13/ap2448033.html

 

[Havoc]

Re: fakers v. cavaliers

Exactly... Thats the thing I dont get... Dude could have a mediocre game (Terrible game by "Wobe" standards) and people only remember the 3 shots he made at the end of the game and automatically say he is better than LeBron because of 1 minutes worth of work.




The average fan thinks that just because a player knocks down a jumper at the end of the game...He is automatically clutch. But as the point has been brought up many times, if a player is taking 500 - 1000 shots at the end of the game, he is bound to hit some. Laws of statistics.




@ the double standard right there but you are right. Never in a million years would one of the Wobe fans say that Gooden or Illguakus made clutch baskets down the stretch for the Cavaliers.

After listening to all the responses on BGOL and other Wobe jock riders, its obvious that these people arent fans of basketball or even lakers' fans...Just drones and worshippers of a fraudulent NBA "superstar"



Yeah I said this in my analysis on the BGOL main board...That pass deflection off LeBron he made in the Cavaliers back court is what helped put them ahead...Funny how not even the Wobe's fan club made even mention to this play.

I don't believe that you are actually that naive. It's like we're going to forget the fact that Kobe has been doing this over the span of # years. Kobe Bryant is a clutch player. Otherwise he wouldn't be the go-to guy at the end of a game. For that game, Gooden was a solid role player. There's a huge difference between the two, and you should learn it well. Robert Horry: normally a clutch and solid role player (over the span of his career) and not just for one game, either.

It's bad when the star player of the opposing team can give the guy more credit than you guys can. I mean after all, he played against him. I'd like to think that he knows at least some of what he's capable of doing.

 

[cranrab]

Re: fakers v. cavaliers

I don't believe that you are actually that naive. It's like we're going to forget the fact that Kobe has been doing this over the span of # years.

H,

you're the one who is naive... we're not forgetting ANYthing... you're susceptible to public MISperception... tobe has been doing what over the span of a number of years? missing more game-ending shots than making them? FACT.

Kobe Bryant is a clutch player.

tobe has hit a number of big shots. important shots. tobe has also missed a FAR greater number of big shots. importants shots. robert horry is a clutch player. derek fisher is a clutch player.

It's bad when the star player of the opposing team can give the guy more credit than you guys can.

naive again. common NBA head game. larry bird played it with earvin johnson. earvin johnson played it back with larry bird. RULE 1: always prop up your opponent in the media, so when you defeat him, it makes you look better (not more gracious, but better skilled).

tell me the number of times you've seen an NBA player do a chad johnson (talking bad about his opponent's lack of skill or talent) in the media? i'll help you. NEVER.

the MOST you'll ever hear is a NBA player allege that another is dirty (ray allen v. bruce bowen, michael jordan v. john stockton, james worthy v. larry bird)...

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe lover defects?

Even after (in bold, italicized words) acknowledging Kobe's wrist injury (you must use telepathic powers to shoot), you still neglected to post his FG % before the injury, which occurred in the second quarter. I'm disappointed at your adamant attempts to pass on your opinion as facts.

and i'm disappointed that you can't read quite as well as i had given you credit for. AS STATED IN THE POST THE BOLD AND ITALICIZED WORDS WERE DIRECT QUOTATIONS FROM J.A. ADANDE, NOT ME.

apparently tobe supporters get so rabid, they have lapses in reading comprehension.

Those last three shots by Kobe may not have seemed very important, but if you think about it, those were the last six points scored by the Lakers in the remainder of the game.

trying to put words in my mouth? when did i say those last 6 points weren't important?

aren't these MY words?

"those last 3 FGs were tough looks, and each one more well defended than the last. tobe deserves credit for making those tough shots"

You always speak of Kobe's habit of "hijacking the offense", but when he does it (successfully), it seems like you're even more upset that he did it with positive results, as opposed to an L.

YES, tobe hijacks the O.

i'm disgusted in either case, win or lose.

what you repeatedly fail to understand is that i'm a BASKETBALL fan. not a tobe fan, not a fakers fan. i want to see GOOD BASKETBALL. not the garbage that tobe participates in.

apparently you've forgotten that i predicted the fakers could win 50+ games this season. would i make that prediction if i felt the fakers weren't capable of it? didn't have the requisite talent?

sadly, the fakers DO have the talent, but that talent isn't allowed to manifest itself on the court, because tobe hijacks the O.

you posted a number of tobe's quotes. don't you see something terribly WRONG with this one?

"They did a great job carrying me through the game," he said.

 

[Havoc]

Re: fakers v. cavaliers

H,

you're the one who is naive... we're not forgetting ANYthing... you're susceptible to public MISperception... tobe has been doing what over the span of a number of years? missing more game-ending shots than making them? FACT.



tobe has hit a number of big shots. important shots. tobe has also missed a FAR greater number of big shots. importants shots. robert horry is a clutch player. derek fisher is a clutch player.



naive again. common NBA head game. larry bird played it with earvin johnson. earvin johnson played it back with larry bird. RULE 1: always prop up your opponent in the media, so when you defeat him, it makes you look better (not more gracious, but better skilled).

tell me the number of times you've seen an NBA player do a chad johnson (talking bad about his opponent's lack of skill or talent) in the media? i'll help you. NEVER.

the MOST you'll ever hear is a NBA player allege that another is dirty (ray allen v. bruce bowen, michael jordan v. john stockton, james worthy v. larry bird)...

That wasn't directed to you. My apologies if I quoted you without stating that it was directed to xfactor. But for the record, didn't the Cavaliers lose that game? Although it's not explicitly doing so, what about the time Shaq said that he was playing like Eric Dampier? (last year's playoffs).

It may (or may not) have been a joke (I found it to be hilarious), but that's not something to say to the media.

I'm not going to argue with you as far as the game-winning shots are concerned simply because there's no way of determining who is right and who is wrong. I haven't come across any stats showing one way or the other, although I'd like to think that he got his reputation for being a clutch player for making (as opposed to missing ) the shots that count.

Bruce Bowen, although a good defender, is a dirty player.

 

[Havoc]

Re: tobe lover defects?

and i'm disappointed that you can't read quite as well as i had given you credit for. AS STATED IN THE POST THE BOLD AND ITALICIZED WORDS WERE DIRECT QUOTATIONS FROM J.A. ADANDE, NOT ME.

apparently tobe supporters get so rabid, they have lapses in reading comprehension.



trying to put words in my mouth? when did i say those last 6 points weren't important?

aren't these MY words?

"those last 3 FGs were tough looks, and each one more well defended than the last. tobe deserves credit for making those tough shots"



YES, tobe hijacks the O.

i'm disgusted in either case, win or lose.

what you repeatedly fail to understand is that i'm a BASKETBALL fan. not a tobe fan, not a fakers fan. i want to see GOOD BASKETBALL. not the garbage that tobe participates in.

apparently you've forgotten that i predicted the fakers could win 50+ games this season. would i make that prediction if i felt the fakers weren't capable of it? didn't have the requisite talent?

sadly, the fakers DO have the talent, but that talent isn't allowed to manifest itself on the court, because tobe hijacks the O.

you posted a number of tobe's quotes. don't you see something terribly WRONG with this one?

"They did a great job carrying me through the game," he said.

Since when did leaders have a hard time admitting when their teammates played a crucial part in the game? Yes, the Lakers played well. Now, will they be able to keep this up? Most likely not, but this is a good start. Consistency (or a consistent second-scorer) is what the Lakers need. Download this movie and watch it. http://rapidshare.de/files/10430662/Booty_Talk_30_-_Juicy.wmv.html

It'll give you something to do in between now and the Lakers next game, which I think is tomorrow against Miami.

I've already made my season predictions in another thread that I believe you made a little while back.

 

[xfactor]

Re: fakers v. cavaliers

I don't believe that you are actually that naive. It's like we're going to forget the fact that Kobe has been doing this over the span of # years. Kobe Bryant is a clutch player. Otherwise he wouldn't be the go-to guy at the end of a game. For that game, Gooden was a solid role player. There's a huge difference between the two, and you should learn it well. Robert Horry: normally a clutch and solid role player (over the span of his career) and not just for one game, either.

It's bad when the star player of the opposing team can give the guy more credit than you guys can. I mean after all, he played against him. I'd like to think that he knows at least some of what he's capable of doing.

Havoc,

Like I've said before...I've seen Wobe miss way more shots down the stretch than I've seen him make. The Cavs game was winnable as Bryant came in with his destructive style and not only let the Cavs back in the game but almost lost it!

Players that take as many shots as Bryant cant be referred to as clutch because he is missing more in crunch time than he is hitting. Bryant had a good game tonight from what I saw (about 24 mins of it) as the lakers beat the Heat but he is too inconsistent to keep it up that type of unselfish performance.

 

[Makkonnen]

Re: fakers v. cavaliers

Havoc,

Like I've said before...I've seen Wobe miss way more shots down the stretch than I've seen him make. The Cavs game was winnable as Bryant came in with his destructive style and not only let the Cavs back in the game but almost lost it!

Players that take as many shots as Bryant cant be referred to as clutch because he is missing more in crunch time than he is hitting. Bryant had a good game tonight from what I saw (about 24 mins of it) as the lakers beat the Heat but he is too inconsistent to keep it up that type of unselfish performance.

almost lost it but his defense on lebron stopped a potential game winning shot and everyone said kobe won that game for them including lebron while admitting he doesnt have killer instinct or some shit

not sayin toby aint a chucker but disagree with your latest points on that cleveland game

toby is a great player regardless of what you or anyone else thinks- and as magic so uneloquently put it the other night, the next level of his game to advance is making others better around him and if you think toby is slack in advancing his game you are mistaken. that isnt natural talent we are viewing that is the hardest working player in the entire nba- that dude's training is severe and I seriously doubt he will allow himself to fall into tmac or kg mode aka superstar mediocrity just because he wants to take all the shots- i think its more immaturity and not learning team ball in college than selfishness - toby went straight into the nba where its all me me me if you are a good player- he never had 4 years(or 1 for that matter) to soak up that lesson that coach k would have taught him

anyway i wouldnt bet against toby maturing and realizing his faults
this shit is no different than people sayin ai couldnt play point but then he led the league in assists and steals and no one said shit

 

[Havoc]

Re: fakers v. cavaliers

almost lost it but his defense on lebron stopped a potential game winning shot and everyone said kobe won that game for them including lebron while admitting he doesnt have killer instinct or some shit

not sayin toby aint a chucker but disagree with your latest points on that cleveland game

toby is a great player regardless of what you or anyone else thinks- and as magic so uneloquently put it the other night, the next level of his game to advance is making others better around him and if you think toby is slack in advancing his game you are mistaken. that isnt natural talent we are viewing that is the hardest working player in the entire nba- that dude's training is severe and I seriously doubt he will allow himself to fall into tmac or kg mode aka superstar mediocrity just because he wants to take all the shots- i think its more immaturity and not learning team ball in college than selfishness - toby went straight into the nba where its all me me me if you are a good player- he never had 4 years(or 1 for that matter) to soak up that lesson that coach k would have taught him

anyway i wouldnt bet against toby maturing and realizing his faults
this shit is no different than people sayin ai couldnt play point but then he led the league in assists and steals and no one said shit

Yep, Yep, Yep!

 

[xfactor]

Re: fakers v. cavaliers

almost lost it but his defense on lebron stopped a potential game winning shot and everyone said kobe won that game for them including lebron while admitting he doesnt have killer instinct or some shit

Makk,

Dont let what LeBron said to the media fool you...Nothing but media manipulation and mind games being played there.

toby is a great player regardless of what you or anyone else thinks- and as magic so uneloquently put it the other night, the next level of his game to advance is making others better around him and if you think toby is slack in advancing his game you are mistaken. that isnt natural talent we are viewing that is the hardest working player in the entire nba- that dude's training is severe and I seriously doubt he will allow himself to fall into tmac or kg mode aka superstar mediocrity just because he wants to take all the shots- i think its more immaturity and not learning team ball in college than selfishness - toby went straight into the nba where its all me me me if you are a good player- he never had 4 years(or 1 for that matter) to soak up that lesson that coach k would have taught him

Like I have said many times...Wobe has skill and talent. I havent dissed his work ethic in the offseason either. But he is so inept on the court, it cancels out more times than not (Unless scoring 35 points on 30 FGA = supreme talent)

If Wobe went to college for a couple of years, he'd probably be a much better player than he is now. He'd actually learn how to play team basketball and know whats it like to play around people who were also the man at their high school instead of coming into the NBA thinking he was top dog because he was only 18 and playing with these veterans.

anyway i wouldnt bet against toby maturing and realizing his faults

I would...Mainly because he has been playing the same way for 9 years now. If he doesnt change before Coach Jackson leaves again, then there will be no hope. He'll end up being known as a glorified scorer who was lucky enough to play with Shaq during his prime to win 3 championships instead of one of the best guards in NBA history.

Yep, Yep, Yep!

Havoc,

Players that take as many shots as Bryant cant be referred to as clutch because he is missing more in crunch time than he is hitting.

Havoc,

I take it you didnt see my 'Myth buster' post on the BGOL mainboard proving that Wobe isnt as 'clutch' as people think. Those crickets sure were chirppin after that. You cant dispute the truth.

 

[Havoc]

Re: fakers v. cavaliers

Makk,

Dont let what LeBron said to the media fool you...Nothing but media manipulation and mind games being played there.



Like I have said many times...Wobe has skill and talent. I havent dissed his work ethic in the offseason either. But he is so inept on the court, it cancels out more times than not (Unless scoring 35 points on 30 FGA = supreme talent)

If Wobe went to college for a couple of years, he'd probably be a much better player than he is now. He'd actually learn how to play team basketball and know whats it like to play around people who were also the man at their high school instead of coming into the NBA thinking he was top dog because he was only 18 and playing with these veterans.



I would...Mainly because he has been playing the same way for 9 years now. If he doesnt change before Coach Jackson leaves again, then there will be no hope. He'll end up being known as a glorified scorer who was lucky enough to play with Shaq during his prime to win 3 championships instead of one of the best guards in NBA history.





Havoc,

I take it you didnt see my 'Myth buster' post on the BGOL mainboard proving that Wobe isnt as 'clutch' as people think. Those crickets sure were chirppin after that. You cant dispute the truth.

I can't take that thread at face value; most than likely it is filled with your propaganda. Besides, I didn't see it anyway


"He'll end up being known as a glorified scorer who was lucky enough to play with Shaq during his prime to win 3 championships instead of one of the best guards in NBA history."

Correction:
"He'll end up being known as an spectacular scorer, as well as a good defender, who played on the Lakers during Shaq's prime to win 3 championships AND, as of one of the best guards in NBA history."

It's going down just like that. Now, I do agree that he should have went to college simply because that's just four more years of experience that could have only made him better. But at the same time, knowing just how hard he works, it makes me wonder if maybe he would have left college after a couple of years. After all, he was going to play on the greatest college basketball team of all time (Duke).

 

[xfactor]

Re: fakers v. cavaliers

I can't take that thread at face value; most than likely it is filled with your propaganda. Besides, I didn't see it anyway

Not really... If you go to NBA.com and look up the same play by plays of the dates and games posted, you will see what I posted and what is on NBA.com is the exact same. (Except for my modifications of the color)

After all, he was going to play on the greatest college basketball team of all time (Duke).

Only because all of the talent left for the league. I give (Fl)uke credit for the 17-0 start (and future tournament early exit) but you really think they'd be the talk of the town if players like McCants, May, Felton were still at UNC ? Even that punk Chris Paul at WF? I dont think so...

I dont know about you but although the Sr. tandem of Shelden and JJ Redick are leading the team to a great start, I dont think that they could hold a jockstrap to the yellow jackets if CB and JJ didnt go off to greener pastures...

 

[cranrab]

coach winter a hater...

from the l.a. times:

Tex Winter, one of the originators of the triangle offense, has seen the scheme at its best — pick almost any of the last nine championship seasons of the Lakers and Chicago Bulls — and at its worst, as in the second half of the last Laker season.

Winter, who once wrote a 320-page book detailing the complexities of the triangle, also found areas where the league's leading scorer, Kobe Bryant, needed work.

"Most of these guys have to rely pretty much on team play and Kobe doesn't," Winter said. "He doesn't have to rely on the offense, even though we'd like for him to rely on it a little more than he does. I guess that's the best way to put it. He could give the ball up more, hit the first open man a little bit more, play off the ball a little more."

naw, coach. for the ADULTS, we'd like to hear in your own words how you'd prefer to phrase it.

 

[Complex]

Re: coach winter a hater...

from the l.a. times:

Tex Winter, one of the originators of the triangle offense, has seen the scheme at its best — pick almost any of the last nine championship seasons of the Lakers and Chicago Bulls — and at its worst, as in the second half of the last Laker season.

Winter, who once wrote a 320-page book detailing the complexities of the triangle, also found areas where the league's leading scorer, Kobe Bryant, needed work.

"Most of these guys have to rely pretty much on team play and Kobe doesn't," Winter said. "He doesn't have to rely on the offense, even though we'd like for him to rely on it a little more than he does. I guess that's the best way to put it. He could give the ball up more, hit the first open man a little bit more, play off the ball a little more."

naw, coach. for the ADULTS, we'd like to hear in your own words how you'd prefer to phrase it.

Yeah yeah yeah, and Greg Anthony and Doug Collins called him the best player in basketball

BTW, the title was Winter Sees Improvement. You might want to post the complimentary things he says

 

[Complex]

Re: coach winter a hater...

Maybe I should start doing this

Odom, in particular, was effusive in his praise of Bryant. When Odom couldn't stop Clippers forward Cuttino Mobley in the third quarter, Bryant went on his scoring barrage and kept the Lakers in a game they trailed by as many as 13.

"I felt like him catching on fire like that, like he got my back," Odom said, later adding, "He wills himself to victory. That'll rub off on all of us."

Cook, meanwhile, was asked if he thought Bryant had affirmed his status at the NBA's premier player.

"He's carried us a lot this season," Cook said. "He gets the job done every night."

 

[Havoc]

Re: fakers v. cavaliers

Not really... If you go to NBA.com and look up the same play by plays of the dates and games posted, you will see what I posted and what is on NBA.com is the exact same. (Except for my modifications of the color)




Only because all of the talent left for the league. I give (Fl)uke credit for the 17-0 start (and future tournament early exit) but you really think they'd be the talk of the town if players like McCants, May, Felton were still at UNC ? Even that punk Chris Paul at WF? I dont think so...

I dont know about you but although the Sr. tandem of Shelden and JJ Redick are leading the team to a great start, I dont think that they could hold a jockstrap to the yellow jackets if CB and JJ didnt go off to greener pastures...

"Fluke"?!?!?! As long as Duke beats Carolina each time, I'll be able to sleep at night.

 

[cranrab]

Re: coach winter a hater...

"I felt like him catching on fire like that, like he got my back," Odom said, later adding, "He wills himself to victory. That'll rub off on all of us."

Cook, meanwhile, was asked if he thought Bryant had affirmed his status at the NBA's premier player.

"He's carried us a lot this season," Cook said. "He gets the job done every night."

this is called being supportive of a teammate in the media. if you think lamar or any other professional athlete actually believes that statement, then you're... oh, i forgot, you ARE a fanboy...

 

[cranrab]

who do you believe?

do you believe coach jackson on the raja bell v. tobe matchup last night?:

"I didn’t think he had good legs. He told me in the fourth quarter he was going to get hot, that he felt like he was getting in his rhythm, and he hit in a few in the fourth quarter. But, he was really bothered by [Raja] Bell. He did a great job on him.”

do you believe coach d'antoni?:

“Raja Bell did an unbelievable job on both ends of the floor, which is very important, especially when you are guarding Kobe [Bryant].

do you believe shawn marion?:

"We just tried to stay active on defense. When you keep forcing them to take tough, contested shots, they’re going to start missing at some point."

do you believe raja bell on the Q3 D?:

"We really locked down on defense in the third quarter. I thought that was one of the best quarters of defense I've seen this team play all year."

or do you believe the delusional tobe?:

(On whether the defense of Raja Bell made a difference)

“Oh, come on. You’ve got to be kidding me, man. I had good looks, but missed them. It’s as simple as that.”



it's no wonder you fanboys are so deluded about basketball, considering the center of your basketball universe is severly distorted...

 

[xfactor]

Re: fakers v. cavaliers

"Fluke"?!?!?! As long as Duke beats Carolina each time, I'll be able to sleep at night.

Looks like I spoke too soon...

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[cranrab]

no talent bum ICES game: grizzlies v. fakers

And now Chucky is crying in Washington.

chucky atkins hits the go ahead FT with 3 seconds to play as the grizzlies defeat the fakers at the staples center... which team has the league's greatest player on it again?

when you gut your roster to appease a primadonna, this is only 1 of the prices you're going to have to pay down the road...