so far he's dead still. Well, he came back, but no one saw him, and he um... left again for some reason.
non-christians: who has read the bible?
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so far he's dead still. Well, he came back, but no one saw him, and he um... left again for some reason.
fine. lol. but if u ask me, that debate aint going no where but in circles in this forum. when u consense it all down. faith vs. reason. religion vs science. it ultimately distills to a utilitarian argument. because both are ultimately irrational. at which point the subjectivity, ironically, makes it a useless debate after all.
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but nah... how do you think you got to where YOU are? Discussion and debate. You can be irrational all day, but when you are intolerant of discussion, that's where I draw the line.
nah i'm not really concerned about who's fighting who. i'm just interested in the content of the debate. imo, u got fundamentalists on both sides who are equally culpable of fanning the flames. and ur right, we're fortunate we live in a society where we can talk about this shit and keep our heads. we also live in a society that offers us education, in many cases, because religious institutions. yeah, so it goes both ways.
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but nah... how do you think you got to where YOU are? Discussion and debate. You can be irrational all day, but when you are intolerant of discussion, that's where I draw the line.
lil dude isgettin it in. i agree. but let the discussion be open and honest. humans are wired to act on impulse by default. rational behavior only begins after thinking. not everyone has the luxury or time for that. this has been the case throughout our history. it's why we have structured society. some people are the thinkers other just act. the later make up the majority. it has to be that way or shit wont be stable. when u realize and appreciate this it becomes clear, at least to me, why people, including u and me, cling to their beliefs.
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nah i'm not really concerned about who's fighting who. i'm just interested in the content of the debate. imo, u got fundamentalists on both sides who are equally culpable of fanning the flames. and ur right, we're fortunate we live in a society where we can talk about this shit and keep our heads. we also live in a society that offers us education, in many cases, because religious institutions. yeah, so it goes both ways.
i agree. but let the discussion be open and honest. humans are wired to act on impulse by default. rational behavior only begins after thinking. not everyone has the luxury or time for that. this has been the case throughout our history. it's why we have structured society. some people are the thinkers other just act. the later make up the majority. it has to be that way or shit wont be stable. when u realize and appreciate this it becomes clear, at least to me, why people, including u and me, cling to their beliefs.
I think that's Emmanuel Lewis dancing in MJ's living room, right? That was a WEIRD vid.
Anyway, at this point in THIS place, we have time to discuss it, and we definitely SHOULD, to prepare outselves for times when we can't, cuz we will be making decisions with the info WE HAVE.
I agree with you, but I have a strong bias toward reforming religion at the very least.
but fuckallat, I came in THIS thread to talk about the bible. To me, this was supposed to open up and branch into the other holy books, and talk about how good or bad those are as well.
HOLY BOOKS OF THE WORLD
The Analects A collection of Confucius' teachings thought to have been recorded by his students. They are considered the only sayings that can safely be attributed to him.
Bhagavad Gita A Sanskrit poem that is part of the Indian epic known as the Mahabharata . It describes, in a dialogue between Lord Krishna and Prince Arjuna, the Hindu path to spiritual wisdom and the unity with God that can be achieved through karma (action), bhakti (devotion), and jnana (knowledge). The Bhagavad-Gita was probably written sometime between 200 B.C. and A.D. 200.
Five Classics Five works traditionally attributed to Confucius that form the basic texts of Confucianism. They are the Spring and Autumn Annals, a history of Confucius's native district; the I Ching (or Book of Changes ), a system of divining the future; the Book of Rites , which outlines ceremonies and describes the ideal government; the Book of History ; and the Book of Songs , a collection of poetry. Together they promulgate a system of ethics for managing society based on sympathy for others, etiquette, and ritual. Although the dates of these books are uncertain, they were probably written before the third century B.C.
Koran (Arabic, al-Qur'an) The primary holy book of Islam. It is made up of 114 suras, or chapters, which contain impassioned appeals for belief in God, encouragement to lead a moral life, portrayals of damnation and beatitude, stories of Islamic prophets, and rules governing the social and religious life of Muslims. Believers maintain that the Koran contains the verbatim word of God, revealed to the prophet Muhammad through the Angel Gabriel. Some of the suras were written during Muhammad's lifetime, but an authoritative text was not produced until c. A.D. 650.
New Testament The second portion of the Christian Bible, which contains 27 books that form the basis of Christian belief. These books include the sayings of Jesus, the story of his life and work, the death and resurrection of Jesus now celebrated as Easter, the teachings and writings of the apostles, and instruction for converting nonbelievers and for performing baptisms, blessings, and other rituals. The New Testament is believed to have been written c. A.D. 100, some 70 to 90 years after the death of Jesus.
Old Testament The Christian name for the Hebrew Bible. It is the sacred scripture of Judaism and the first portion of the Christian Bible. According to Jewish teachings, it is made up of three parts: the Law (also known as the Torah or Pentateuch), comprising the first five books (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy), which describes the origins of the world, the covenant between the Lord and Israel, the exodus and entry into the promised land, and the various rules governing social and religious behavior; the Prophets , including the former prophets (Joshua, Judges, Samuel 1-2, Kings 1-2) and the latter prophets (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and the 12 minor prophets), which describes the history of the Israelites, the stories of heroes, kings, judges, and wars, and the choosing of David as leader of the Israelites; and the Writings (including Psalms, Job, Song of Solomon, and Ruth, among others), which describes the reactions of the people to the laws and covenants, as well as prayers and praises of the covenant. Some books of the Old Testament regarded as sacred by the Jews are not accepted as such by Christians; among Christians there are differences between Roman Catholics and Protestants about the inclusion of some books, the order of the books, and the original sources used in translating them. Scholars generally agree that the Old Testament was compiled from c. 1000 B.C. to c. 100 B.C.
Talmud A compilation of Jewish oral law and rabbinical teachings that is separate from the scriptures of the Hebrew Bible, or Old Testament. It is made up of two parts: the Mishna , which is the oral law itself, and the Gemara , a commentary on the Mishna . The Talmud contains both a legal section (the Halakah ) and a portion devoted to legends and stories (the Aggada ). The authoritative Babylonian Talmud was compiled in the sixth century.
Tao-te-ching (The Way and Its Power) The basic text of the Chinese philosophy and religion known as Taoism. It is made up of 81 short chapters or poems that describe a way of life marked by quiet effortlessness and freedom from desire. This is thought to be achieved by following the creative, spontaneous life force of the universe, called the Tao. The book is attributed to Lao-tzu, but it was probably a compilation by a number of writers over a long period of time.
Upanishads The basis of Hindu religion and philosophy that form the final portion of the Veda . The 112 Upanishads describe the relationship of the Brahman , or universal soul, to the atman , or individual soul; they also provide information about Vedic sacrifice and yoga. The original texts of the Upanishads come from various sources and were written beginning c. 900 B.C.
Veda The sacred scripture of Hinduism. Four Vedas make up the Samhita , a collection of prayers and hymns that are considered to be revelations of eternal truth written by seer-poets inspired by the gods. The Rig-Veda , the Sama-Veda , and the Yajur-Veda are books of hymns; the Atharva-Veda compiles magic spells. These writings maintain that the Brahman , or Absolute Self, underlies all reality and can be known by invoking gods through the use of hymns or mantes. The Vedic texts were compiled between c. 1000 B.C. and c. 500 B.C., making them the oldest known group of religious writings.
The Analects A collection of Confucius' teachings thought to have been recorded by his students. They are considered the only sayings that can safely be attributed to him.
Bhagavad Gita A Sanskrit poem that is part of the Indian epic known as the Mahabharata . It describes, in a dialogue between Lord Krishna and Prince Arjuna, the Hindu path to spiritual wisdom and the unity with God that can be achieved through karma (action), bhakti (devotion), and jnana (knowledge). The Bhagavad-Gita was probably written sometime between 200 B.C. and A.D. 200.
Five Classics Five works traditionally attributed to Confucius that form the basic texts of Confucianism. They are the Spring and Autumn Annals, a history of Confucius's native district; the I Ching (or Book of Changes ), a system of divining the future; the Book of Rites , which outlines ceremonies and describes the ideal government; the Book of History ; and the Book of Songs , a collection of poetry. Together they promulgate a system of ethics for managing society based on sympathy for others, etiquette, and ritual. Although the dates of these books are uncertain, they were probably written before the third century B.C.
Koran (Arabic, al-Qur'an) The primary holy book of Islam. It is made up of 114 suras, or chapters, which contain impassioned appeals for belief in God, encouragement to lead a moral life, portrayals of damnation and beatitude, stories of Islamic prophets, and rules governing the social and religious life of Muslims. Believers maintain that the Koran contains the verbatim word of God, revealed to the prophet Muhammad through the Angel Gabriel. Some of the suras were written during Muhammad's lifetime, but an authoritative text was not produced until c. A.D. 650.
New Testament The second portion of the Christian Bible, which contains 27 books that form the basis of Christian belief. These books include the sayings of Jesus, the story of his life and work, the death and resurrection of Jesus now celebrated as Easter, the teachings and writings of the apostles, and instruction for converting nonbelievers and for performing baptisms, blessings, and other rituals. The New Testament is believed to have been written c. A.D. 100, some 70 to 90 years after the death of Jesus.
Old Testament The Christian name for the Hebrew Bible. It is the sacred scripture of Judaism and the first portion of the Christian Bible. According to Jewish teachings, it is made up of three parts: the Law (also known as the Torah or Pentateuch), comprising the first five books (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy), which describes the origins of the world, the covenant between the Lord and Israel, the exodus and entry into the promised land, and the various rules governing social and religious behavior; the Prophets , including the former prophets (Joshua, Judges, Samuel 1-2, Kings 1-2) and the latter prophets (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and the 12 minor prophets), which describes the history of the Israelites, the stories of heroes, kings, judges, and wars, and the choosing of David as leader of the Israelites; and the Writings (including Psalms, Job, Song of Solomon, and Ruth, among others), which describes the reactions of the people to the laws and covenants, as well as prayers and praises of the covenant. Some books of the Old Testament regarded as sacred by the Jews are not accepted as such by Christians; among Christians there are differences between Roman Catholics and Protestants about the inclusion of some books, the order of the books, and the original sources used in translating them. Scholars generally agree that the Old Testament was compiled from c. 1000 B.C. to c. 100 B.C.
Talmud A compilation of Jewish oral law and rabbinical teachings that is separate from the scriptures of the Hebrew Bible, or Old Testament. It is made up of two parts: the Mishna , which is the oral law itself, and the Gemara , a commentary on the Mishna . The Talmud contains both a legal section (the Halakah ) and a portion devoted to legends and stories (the Aggada ). The authoritative Babylonian Talmud was compiled in the sixth century.
Tao-te-ching (The Way and Its Power) The basic text of the Chinese philosophy and religion known as Taoism. It is made up of 81 short chapters or poems that describe a way of life marked by quiet effortlessness and freedom from desire. This is thought to be achieved by following the creative, spontaneous life force of the universe, called the Tao. The book is attributed to Lao-tzu, but it was probably a compilation by a number of writers over a long period of time.
Upanishads The basis of Hindu religion and philosophy that form the final portion of the Veda . The 112 Upanishads describe the relationship of the Brahman , or universal soul, to the atman , or individual soul; they also provide information about Vedic sacrifice and yoga. The original texts of the Upanishads come from various sources and were written beginning c. 900 B.C.
Veda The sacred scripture of Hinduism. Four Vedas make up the Samhita , a collection of prayers and hymns that are considered to be revelations of eternal truth written by seer-poets inspired by the gods. The Rig-Veda , the Sama-Veda , and the Yajur-Veda are books of hymns; the Atharva-Veda compiles magic spells. These writings maintain that the Brahman , or Absolute Self, underlies all reality and can be known by invoking gods through the use of hymns or mantes. The Vedic texts were compiled between c. 1000 B.C. and c. 500 B.C., making them the oldest known group of religious writings.
C'mon you know that people are programmed to think in binary terms by default and the best way to get around this it to step back and try to entertain the idea that you may not be completely right(which most people won't even try to acknowledge) so why act surprised when these type of discussions break down into the two camps of thought they always do?what shtick? what's the general premise? that the Bible is full of mythology, allegory, hyperbole, nepotism and politics? When did this become news or rocket science? or is it the fact that i constantly call mf's out on the hypocrisy and double standard?
look dude, at some point people have to start having more sophisticated discussions and grow up out of this silly religion bashing shit. come on.
Them old texts you talking about are still in the original language. Regardless of how old they are you can't understand anything about them. So for the Bible to be translated into 3 diff languages should tell you something.
The KJV is the accurate version of the Bible..the rest of the other translations left of scriptures and changed some parts to agree with what they beleived at the time of the revisions.
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The KJV is the accurate version of the Bible..the rest of the other translations left of scriptures and changed some parts to agree with what they beleived at the time of the revisions.
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And when the same information comes from a middle aged Black professor?
These professors arrives at these conclusions using MATH, accessible to ANYONE. That means if you want to refute their work, you can do so by making YOUR OWN CALCULATIONS. It leaves no room for the subjective. There is no special math native to these professors only.
You "Oswald Bates" niggas on bgol are allergic to formal education that requires discipline. Since you didn't answer the question, I will assume that you are NOT a college graduate and you probably never attended college. Any Astronomy 101 class will give you the basics on how to make YOUR OWN calculations for half of the theories you clowns refute. I'll be damned if I take YOUR WORD over the word of an astrophysicist.
people will just figure out some other dogmatic belief system and institutionalize it. nature wont change.
But do YOU understand the so-called math? Or do you just accept wtf school conditions you to? Do you question conventions, theories and models using YOUR OWN rational thinking or do u just study to pass the exam like a "disciplined" child.And when the same information comes from a middle aged Black professor?
These professors arrives at these conclusions using MATH, accessible to ANYONE. That means if you want to refute their work, you can do so by making YOUR OWN CALCULATIONS. It leaves no room for the subjective. There is no special math native to these professors only.
You "Oswald Bates" niggas on bgol are allergic to formal education that requires discipline. Since you didn't answer the question, I will assume that you are NOT a college graduate and you probably never attended college. Any Astronomy 101 class will give you the basics on how to make YOUR OWN calculations for half of the theories you clowns refute. I'll be damned if I take YOUR WORD over the word of an astrophysicist.
You don't need a PhD in paleopbioastrocosmophysics to see the irrationality in the physical existence of an object with zero mass. Buckwheat could figure that shit out. But you accept it because Dr. Neil DeGrasse Tyson says so on PBS while rocking a corduroy Billy Ocean sports jacket. And he's "one of us!" lol. FOH with that shit. Nah. Don't stop and think about this YOURSELF. Using YOUR OWN brain. lol.
Because YOU lack the fundamental understanding of the limiting role that mathematics plays in science you resort to the standard "math proves it!" contingency rubbish. Same nuccas that go ape shit over basic algebraic functions 101 see a bunch of fancy physics equations "proving" the existence of black-holes and start trekin the stars on some
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Nigga, I didn't say I worshipped scientists. 1+1=2. That's not an opinion. That's not an abstract concept. THAT IS FACT. I'm going to listen to Neil Degrasse Tyson before I listen to Oswald Bates ass niggas like you.
Nigga, I didn't say I worshipped scientists. 1+1=2. That's not an opinion. That's not an abstract concept. THAT IS FACT. I'm going to listen to Neil Degrasse Tyson before I listen to Oswald Bates ass niggas like you.
coming from the nucca who brought up astrophysics. look. don't get mad at me because ur too lazy and/or scared to figure shit out on ur own. 1+1 = 2 is not only and abstraction but also contextual based on an axiomatic system that can't be simultaneously complete and consistent. oh shit! big words!!
u Apocalypto lookin ass nucca.
I agree.
Holy shit, how does this thread derail into this?
The Bible is verified bullshit. We know that. I think some people just find it scary that in the 21st century people can actually believe that shit. Some of these people are running your government. If the following isn't scary I don't know what is................
The Bible is verified bullshit. We know that. I think some people just find it scary that in the 21st century people can actually believe that shit. Some of these people are running your government. If the following isn't scary I don't know what is................
A Republican congressman hoping to chair the powerful House Energy Committee refers to the Bible and God on the issue of global warming.
Representative John Shimkus insists we shouldn't concerned about the planet being destroyed because God promised Noah it wouldn't happen again after the great flood.
Speaking before a House Energy Subcommittee on Energy and Environment hearing in March, 2009, Shimkus quoted Chapter 8, Verse 22 of the Book of Genesis.
He said: 'As long as the earth endures, seed time and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, will never cease.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-planet-God-promised-Noah.html#ixzz16EgMMkhZ
Representative John Shimkus insists we shouldn't concerned about the planet being destroyed because God promised Noah it wouldn't happen again after the great flood.
Speaking before a House Energy Subcommittee on Energy and Environment hearing in March, 2009, Shimkus quoted Chapter 8, Verse 22 of the Book of Genesis.
He said: 'As long as the earth endures, seed time and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, will never cease.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-planet-God-promised-Noah.html#ixzz16EgMMkhZ
I firmly believe the religious should NOT be in any position of power.
I knew you were dumb but damn you a straight fool. You looked into NO other religions? Took no other sample to draw your conclusion? You're a fool.
And what's was the name of that college you go to with the graphic design major? clown college?
I'm curious as to how that will be possible when most of the population of the human race is religious. BTW being an atheist does not stop one from holding batshit crazy beliefs ex. Stalinist Russia & North Korea...
College = East Donkey Tech.
He pulled the ol 1+1=2 is fact! and was like...
lol. kinda simpleton shit nuccas get clowned for. 2+2=5 can also be proved to be true within an axiomatic system... so which fact is facter? lol. dum dums.
Those are rare examples. In most cases, it is the religious who use their doctrine to act a fool.
Take our society right now. The only reason we waste valuable political time on gays is because of religious nuts. Who cares if fags marry? Jobs are going overseas, people can't pay the bills, and the religious whack jobs are worried about fags.
I watch nat geo and see primitive cultures so into their religious celebrations they can't even be bothered with inventing tooth paste. Things are centered around appeasing the spirits.
Painting themselves, jumping around acting a fool, and will die from a simple tooth infection.I wonder how far along man would be if it weren't for religion. It's no wonder a few Atheists were driven batshit crazy and decided to just start offing religous folks.
I don't expect you to understand, a pitiful cocksuckin' nigga like you NEEDS to follow sumthin. Be it a delusion, a pulpit pimp, or a tranny. Sheep ass slave faggot.
God doesn't need props, he doesn't need our praise. Our praise is a form of being thankful and obedience. Ive talked about this before but God hates "religion". No where in the bible does it say create a religion...
Those are rare examples. In most cases, it is the religious who use their doctrine to act a fool.
Take our society right now. The only reason we waste valuable political time on gays is because of religious nuts. Who cares if fags marry? Jobs are going overseas, people can't pay the bills, and the religious whack jobs are worried about fags.
I watch nat geo and see primitive cultures so into their religious celebrations they can't even be bothered with inventing tooth paste. Things are centered around appeasing the spirits.
I wonder how far along man would be if it weren't for religion. It's no wonder a few Atheists were driven batshit crazy and decided to just start offing religous folks.
1: there are atheists right here on bgol who hate fags, so who's to say it still wouldn't end up like that.
#2: you're still missing the point. Religion isn't the cause, it's a symptom; one of the manifestations of our irrational nature. You can be an atheist and fanatical about race, politics, nationalism, etc. If religion disappeared overnight, ourirrational nature would find another way to express itself. Religion doesn't deserve any special priviledge and ut ought to be challenged. But to say that if everyone became atheist and learned science that the world would solve all it's problems is just
Religion doesn't deserve any special priviledge and ut ought to be challenged. But to say that if everyone became atheist and learned science that the world would solve all it's problems is just
When decisions, very important decisions that affect the masses are made in the name of a religion, then yes, it deserves scrutiny.
I agree, but my point was that you should be on the lookout for any (potentially) fanatical beliefs and not to get slack with the scrutiny cuz they're atheist and well read in the sciences.
Nice fables and fairytales. That's about it.
Who says atheists don't attack other fanatical beliefs? xtianity and islam just happen to be the 2 of the biggest fanatical beliefs out there with a lot of political and economical power behind them, which is why they are attacked because that much irrationality shouldn't have that much power.
This is simply your interpretation. If you want to make it a linguistic argument I would simply state that thanking someone and worhipping them are two different things. If someone does something for a purely benevolent reason one thanks is sufficient. But if they are doing something for you for an egotistical reason they will be apt to throwing it in your face and hoping that you kiss their feet every time you see them. You see, The Christian God demands that we give him props or we will burn in a lake of fire for eternity. He sounds like a big egotistical asshole if you ask me which makes absolutely no sense. How can you build the universe and then flip out over you creation's doings? God tripping out over me not worshipping Jesus is like me getting mad at my iMac because it doesnt praise me for buying it.
#2: you're still missing the point. Religion isn't the cause, it's a symptom; one of the manifestations of our irrational nature. You can be an atheist and fanatical about race, politics, nationalism, etc. If religion disappeared overnight, ourirrational nature would find another way to express itself. Religion doesn't deserve any special priviledge and ut ought to be challenged. But to say that if everyone became atheist and learned science that the world would solve all it's problems is just
Exactly.... this seems self-evident. It's human nature.
I read the Bible three times, struggled with it the fist two time. After the third time I was finishing my first degree in college and immediately recognized it to be complete, utter, insulting bullshit. I guess Noah put two roaches on the arc also..
You may laugh now but it shall be me who has the last laugh once Jesus comes to reclaim the crown as the Lord of Lords, King of Kings. While you burn in the lake of fire you will see me reclined on the fluffiest of Cumulonimbus eating a lightly toasted bagel spread with Philadelphia Cream Cheese. As you look to me and my fully extended wings in jealousy I shall look at you while taking a sip of my freshly squeezed lemonade and say "AHHHHHHHHH....that's refreshing".
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