GreedySmurf said:Eh, close enough...
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GreedySmurf said:Eh, close enough...
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Terrorist got for maximum casualty not just some flake ass 3000 people at 9 in the morning when the WTC on a daily basis had some 40,000 people in the buildings at any given time during lunch hoursmokedacane said:It's is very real my friend, governments have used lies and propoganda before just to instil their will and desire to get what they want.
9/11 was nothing more than a beautifully executed plan that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of innocent people. Do you honeslty believe that a group of terrorist with limited flight skills could manuever a Boeing 757 at the speeds of Moc 10 and crash them into the twin towers? Even pilots who have 30 years of experiance can't even do that.And the mere fact that Boeing 757 can be controlled by REMOTE CONTROL doesn't raise any eyebrows?
THe fact that ONLY ONE person on both the planes that crashed into the towers had an Arabian sounding name.......
There is NO PROOF what so ever that a plane crashed into the pentagon. PLEASE find me a picture of a plane lodged into the Pentagon..........you won't find it. Because if anything it looks like a damn bomb or missile hit the Pentagon not a plane.
Keep digging and you will see all the holes in the 9/11 crap we were spoon fed
BeatDownRecords said:Terrorist got for maximum casualty not just some flake ass 3000 people at 9 in the morning when the WTC on a daily basis had some 40,000 people in the buildings at any given time during lunch hour![]()
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smokedacane said:It's is very real my friend, governments have used lies and propoganda before just to instil their will and desire to get what they want.
9/11 was nothing more than a beautifully executed plan that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of innocent people. Do you honeslty believe that a group of terrorist with limited flight skills could manuever a Boeing 757 at the speeds of Moc 10 and crash them into the twin towers? Even pilots who have 30 years of experiance can't even do that.And the mere fact that Boeing 757 can be controlled by REMOTE CONTROL doesn't raise any eyebrows?
THe fact that ONLY ONE person on both the planes that crashed into the towers had an Arabian sounding name.......
There is NO PROOF what so ever that a plane crashed into the pentagon. PLEASE find me a picture of a plane lodged into the Pentagon..........you won't find it. Because if anything it looks like a damn bomb or missile hit the Pentagon not a plane.
Keep digging and you will see all the holes in the 9/11 crap we were spoon fed
eewwll said:There is a distinction between ALLOWING something to happen and actually doing it yourself.
This is where you and I completely disagree and the contrarian evidence DOES NOT support U.S. involvement more than it involves U.S. government complacency and head-turning to events that led up to 9-11 and during the actual event. Furthermore, one can make the clear connection as to what the neo-conversatives had to gain by this happening. However, the idea that Muslim Brotherhood did not have the means nor desire to do this..considering previous attacks on that very building by them and also their history of using Planes as weapons if EXTREMELY naive.
However,
smokedacane said:Again I am just presenting some facts. The Muslim brotherhood definitely had it out for America BUT I noticed you didn't disagree with any of the descripancies in my rebuttle for example there being absolutely no proof of a plane crashing into the Pentagon.
eewwll said:Go back and read my post.. I added some.
Honestly, as many videos and articles I have read, I have not come to a conclusion as to what happened at the pentagon. I still does not make sense... but there isn't enough available evidence to piece it all together. You can jump to some strong opinions, but nothing conclusive as their are discrepencies on both sides of the fence on that.
BUT THIS ISSUE... At the pentagon.. is one of the issues I found MOST troubling... because my rational won't allow me believe that a pilot with only several months of training..even if we was very skilled.. could have driven a plane of that size with the precision necessary to hit that limited sized target at that position from the ground.
Brother Blues said:Brother Smokedacane...answer me this,if it was a missle and not a plane that hit the Pentagon,where is the missing plane?...not to mention the people on board.
Are they being held at some super secret government facilty?...that only people on the net have this all figured out.
smokedacane said:Yeah I will get back to your edit, but yeah you said it perfectly. Everything we know about physics would undermine their story of a plane crashing into the Pentagon at those speeds while traveling so low to the ground. Somebody has to think "well wouldn't the plane have gone into a tail spin???"
Like I said before, even the most decorated pilot couldn't have pulled that off and the mere fact NO photos show a plane crashed inside the Pentagon is more disturbing. And even if a Boeing 757 did crash into the Pentagon you better believe it would of caused more damage than this
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So two planes topple the Twin Towers while another leaves a scratch?????.......I won't even go into the fact that the fuel burning inside the towers wasn't even hot enough to cause the columns inside the Towers to give out........looked more like a demolition team was taking down a building to meThis whole thing is COMPLETE UTTER BULLSHIT
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i'll ignore all of the silly posts in this thread and respond to you. al-qaeda got exactly what they wanted and more than they could have dreamed of. bush created a battleground in iraq and there is no longer a need to stage attacks in the U.S.on a regualar basis. they did not have the infrastructure or resources to wage a conventional battle but stupid ass bush has now pitted america against every muslim extremist in the world. iraq is getting the shit kicked out of them and it will take generations for them to recover from the death and destruction being heaped upon them. how can people think that we are not being attacked when soldiers are dying everyday and we ae spending bilions in iraq while new orleans still looks like the day after Katrina?does it make a difference if americans die in the trade center or on foreign soil? we got suckered into a fight we cant win!!!!!THREAD_CRITIC said:Thanks Jesus.....
eewwll said:I know all about the heat issue and the plausibility of that being a controlled demolition. Very rarely do building collapse directly on their foundation regardless of the damage unless a controlled demolition occurs at the base. Most firefighters, explosive exports, even effect artists know this.
However, I have never found that as weird as the damn pentagon attack.
I just find it difficult to understand how an amateur pilot could have pulled off such a precision hit given the target That is "missile" type precision....however it "could" have been done with a plane. However, he would have had to be one outstanding amateur pilot to have pulled off such a feat.
What is even more disturbing is that any fucking object could have hit the pentagon in the first place.but that is another story...
eewwll said:... man just admit you got the countries mixed up...no big deal. No need to post the map.. I ALREADY KNEW where the muthafucka is situation geographically. United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia are not the same country.That's like someone in the Middle East saying.. yeah... Fuck Bush..he is a horrible Canadian president.... and then saying.. close enough...
African Herbsman said:Six years later and motherfuckers are still brainwashed. Mission accomplished.
supreme_math said:But why in the middle east period? Why right outside Saudi Arabia? Why not the West Indies, Asia, Africa, India...Why so close to Saudi Arabia? Arent we at war with the middle east. Afgahnistan, Iraq, Syria and a "Cold War" with Iran. Aren't we now at odds with Pakistan? Look up the history of the United Arab Emirates and you'll find the close ties to Saudi Arabia...Our admitted ally.![]()
BigUnc said:Good thread. All I have to say is keep digging there is alot more info out there. The data about what happened on 9/11 is very important but there is a wealth of data available about the actions of a select few individuals days, weeks and months before 9/11 that should make you raise an eyebrow. Questions such as who was in charge of security at the World Trade Center and their relationship to the current President??.... hmmmm. What about the curious activity inside the buildings days before the attacks where the security system including video monitors were turned off.The pictorial evidence suggesting a Thermite/Lead explosive was used on the main support columns. There are many other questions none of which presents a smoking gun but should make a free thinking person have "concerns" about the story being presented as to the chain of events about 9/11.
BigUnc said:Good thread. All I have to say is keep digging there is alot more info out there. The data about what happened on 9/11 is very important but there is a wealth of data available about the actions of a select few individuals days, weeks and months before 9/11 that should make you raise an eyebrow.
Must be referring to yourself then as stupid, you sound like the rest of those 85%. here a fact, 9 of the so called saudi hijackers are alive and living. googleMo Pizorn said:Americans are stupid as fuck. September 11th 2001 was a message, not the start of a war. WE accepted the bullshit propaganda and bought into that. The message was simple: YOU TOO CAN BE TOUCHED.
This was a message sent by Arabs. Why the fuck don't people undertsand that almost all of the September 11th attackers were Saudi? We are stupid as fuck as a country.
gemstone30 said:Must be referring to yourself then as stupid, you sound like the rest of those 85%. here a fact, 9 of the so called saudi hijackers are alive and living. google
"911 hijackers live" theres hundred of articles.
GDFOLKS said:Cause Al Queadas Leader George Bush Didnt Give The Ok.
BigUnc said:Regarding the U.S. covertrole in the Soviet Afghan war the U.S. funneled the vast majority of assistance to the Mujahideen through the Pakistani Intelligence Service aka ISI so as to give the U.S. a modicum of plausible deniability. It wasn't until the introduction of Stinger Man Portable SAMs did the U.S. involvement became undeniable overt. Osama Bin Laden was mainly a fund raiser and organizer with some but limited battlefield experience. after the war he developed a long list of greviences against the House of Saud and the U.S. and eventually decided to use his experience to organize veterans of Afghanistan to overthrow the House of Saud and kick the U.S. out. It wouldn't be the first time a former asset turned against the U.S. I'm not in the Al Queda is a bought and paid for entity of the CIA. Not yet anyway I need more solid data points.
Why their hasn't been anymore attacks is an open question but probably revolves around the damage done to its leadership,planning,logistical and operational components. The lastest is that Al Queda has rebuilt itself into something new and improved but exactly what isn't public knowledge even if its known at all.
eewwll said:Remember at this time, the CIA could also initiate programs without any authorization and oversight.
eewwll said:Osama Bin Laden was never an U.S. asset.
GreedySmurf said:Saudi?!? As in Saudi Arabia?!? You mean that country thats now headquarters to Halliburton, our vice presidents old company? Naw bro, you must be mistaken! That would imply a connection of sorts between our government and 911. Nope, not possible...![]()
eewwll said:Osama Bin Laden was never an U.S. asset. Ever. Bin Laden had not even come on the radar until WELL into the Afghan War because he was throwing money around and eventually that gets noticed. But for the most part, he was inconsequential. You are correct with some of the assertions. However, ISI, was but one route we used. It is a very limited view to think that we only cooperated with ISI. Remember at this time, the CIA could also initiate programs without any authorization and oversight. There were factions inside of the CIA that had different end goals for the Afghan war and our efforts in Afghanistan were not unilateral. We also dropped cash directly to Massoud and many of the other Afghan commanders directly. Casey was director for 6 years and he was the one who really handed all the power to ISI...because he had a special relationship with Yousaf, the ISI Afghan operations chief. This was the main problem later on.. because ISI was putting all the funding behind Hehkmatray..who was wildly anti-US...but whom many thought was best suited to getting Najibullah out of Afghanistan after the Soviet defeat. Even after the Soviet Union officially left Afghanistan, they still continued to support commanders like Najibullah with funds and weapons that was in the 100s of millions over the years. And while you had Oakley who tolerated Bearden's continued collaboration with ISI and its anti american clients, like Hekmatryar and Sayyak, you had other top CIA officials like Ed McWilliam's who completely opposed it and pushed other initiatives. The reality is that although we funneled money and weapons through ISI, we also funneled money and weapons directly to other Afghan commanders who were fighting the communist allies in Afghanistan. It was NOT only a CIA-ISI connection.
eewwll said:Osama Bin Laden was never an U.S. asset. Ever. Bin Laden had not even come on the radar until WELL into the Afghan War because he was throwing money around and eventually that gets noticed. But for the most part, he was inconsequential. You are correct with some of the assertions. However, ISI, was but one route we used. It is a very limited view to think that we only cooperated with ISI. Remember at this time, the CIA could also initiate programs without any authorization and oversight. There were factions inside of the CIA that had different end goals for the Afghan war and our efforts in Afghanistan were not unilateral. We also dropped cash directly to Massoud and many of the other Afghan commanders directly. Casey was director for 6 years and he was the one who really handed all the power to ISI...because he had a special relationship with Yousaf, the ISI Afghan operations chief. This was the main problem later on.. because ISI was putting all the funding behind Hehkmatray..who was wildly anti-US...but whom many thought was best suited to getting Najibullah out of Afghanistan after the Soviet defeat. Even after the Soviet Union officially left Afghanistan, they still continued to support commanders like Najibullah with funds and weapons that was in the 100s of millions over the years. And while you had Oakley who tolerated Bearden's continued collaboration with ISI and its anti american clients, like Hekmatryar and Sayyak, you had other top CIA officials like Ed McWilliam's who completely opposed it and pushed other initiatives. The reality is that although we funneled money and weapons through ISI, we also funneled money and weapons directly to other Afghan commanders who were fighting the communist allies in Afghanistan. It was NOT only a CIA-ISI connection.
divine said:if true?
then how do you know he was never an assett?
boro said:Good analysis but he was on their radar even since he was at Islamic University of Madina and of course one of his tutor was Sayyid Quttub's brother if i am not mistaken under the name of Azan Tamim.
They knew about him when he was with Mujjaheed in AFG and of course then knew more about him when he claimed responsibility of the Bombing of US Embassies in Dar Es Salaam and Nairobi in 1998
This might sound stupid but the CIA knew more about him than whats on public domain
eewwll said:... man just admit you got the countries mixed up...no big deal. No need to post the map.. I ALREADY KNEW where the muthafucka is situation geographically. United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia are not the same country.That's like someone in the Middle East saying.. yeah... Fuck Bush..he is a horrible Canadian president.... and then saying.. close enough...
the collector said:You so stupid. America/Bush is the real Al Q. 911 was the jump-off for the new world order. Look what is happening now as a result. Beefed up security everywhere. Increased fuel cost. Travel restrictions etc.
Mo Pizorn said:To all of you dumb ass noobs calling me stupid, please cease and desist and check my back posts. You are not saying anything that I don't already know and haven't said myself in the past. I am not doubting the fact that our government had a crucial part in the terrorists' training. I also know for a fact where they came from. They were mostly Saudis. It doesn't even matter really, knowing that our government funded and trained them ALL. They could have been french or german or african and the plan would have still been the same because they wanted to push that Patriot Act. Bush and his camp concocted the connections, our media replayed them over and over and we as citizens ate it up. I don't mean us as individuals, but as a nation.