NFL: Mike Martz UTTERLY DESTROYED new Ram coach Sean McVay

[Amajorfucup]

if you not going to read the entire post I wrote, then don't respond. I was very clear in what I wrote. For the record, he drafted a number of RB to replace Faulk..Trung Candidate, Arlen Harris, Lamar Gordon, and Steven Jackson.

I responded to what i quoted. The rest was opinion and nonsense and wasnt really worth the quote or acknowledgement. And now you've gone off the hinge and starting to discuss his record as a gm or talent evaluator.. two things i dont care about or think have a place in this discussion. And none of those guys are Faulk btw.

Pretty much everything youve posted thus far has been bullshit.. You said he was known not to run the ball and getting his QBs killed. Yet Faulk averaged 1300+ yards and Bulger and KW had average to below average sack rates. Then you compared his super bowl loss to that of the falcons this season.. More nonsense. You're giving opinion and passing it off as fact.

 

[Profit]

How can you utterly destroy someone with a 0-0 record?

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

I responded to what i quoted. The rest was opinion and nonsense and wasnt really worth the quote or acknowledgement. And now you've gone off the hinge and starting to discuss his record as a gm or talent evaluator.. two things i dont care about or think have a place in this discussion. And none of those guys are Faulk btw.

Pretty much everything youve posted thus far has been bullshit.. You said he was known not to run the ball and getting his QBs killed. Yet Faulk averaged 1300+ yards and Bulger and KW had average to below average sack rates. Then you compared his super bowl loss to that of the falcons this season.. More nonsense. You're giving opinion and passing it off as fact.

The only bullshit is you pretending Martz had no say in personal decisions. Remember it was Martz that redid the defense after the 2000 season. So an OC genius has say redoing the defense but no say in revamping the offense all the years he was there? And to the rest of your bullshit. If you really knew anything about those years you would know that Steven Jackson and Trung Candidate were both seen as successors to Faulk when they were drafted. Trung crashed and burned while Faulk and Jackson didn't get along. Jackson was basically benched until Marshall decided to retire. By then, the team was really past it prime. It doesn't matter matter what you think or feel. Great coaches are good at evaluating talent. In the early years, when the organization was kissing his ass to keep him, he got everything he wanted. It was only towards to the end he started to loose some of his power.


You forget Martz was the one that had a QB in a number of the games with a broken throwing hand. It became such an issue that Warner's wife was the one that called attention to it.

You forget the NY game when Kurt got hit and had a concussion but Martz kept him in the game.


As to the Superbowl, your receivers are constantly getting beat up and getting knocked off their routes, yet you keep throwing (44 pass attempts). Meanwhile, you got this superstar running back only has 17 carries for the whole game. You tell me how how the two superbowls don't compare.

 

[kdogg3270]

why all the McVay hate though? His best move so far was bringing in Wade Phillips to run the D. now the Rams just need some players.

 

[Amajorfucup]

The only bullshit is you pretending Martz had no say in personal decisions.

No. I dont care about personnel decisions.. None of that changes what he did with the GSOT. He is the architect behind arguably the greatest offense in NFL history.. Top 3 undeniably.

If you really knew anything about those years you would know that Steven Jackson and Trung Candidate were both seen as successors to Faulk when they were drafted. Trung crashed and burned while Faulk and Jackson didn't get along. Jackson was basically benched until Marshall decided to retire. By then, the team was really past it prime. It doesn't matter matter what you think or feel. Great coaches are good at evaluating talent. In the early years, when the organization was kissing his ass to keep him, he got everything he wanted. It was only towards to the end he started to loose some of his power.

You wanted me to quote this shit but im not sure why... No idea what this has to do with what has been stated in regards to Martz or Cutler. Again, i dont give a fuck about his draft record or talent evaluator. I will be the first to tell you i have no idea if he was in GM role at this point. My point of contention is his greatness and impact are certified and anyone saying he "ruined" Jay Cutler is full of shit.

You forget Martz was the one that had a QB in a number of the games with a broken throwing hand. It became such an issue that Warner's wife was the one that called attention to it.

Kurts wife was an insufferable bitch and public annoyance.. You say you from the Lou so you should know this. Her criticisms means absolutely shit to me my man... Ask her how she felt when Kurt was on his "paper or plastic" thug thizzle. Martz put her kids thru private school. She should show some fucking respect.

You forget the NY game when Kurt got hit and had a concussion but Martz kept him in the game.

You know how many fucking players got concussed and stayed in games? Man stfu. Martz got Kurt a ring, MVP trophy, and in The Hall... All this other shit is white noise.

As to the Superbowl, your receivers are constantly getting beat up and getting knocked off their routes, yet you keep throwing (44 pass attempts). Meanwhile, you got this superstar running back only has 17 carries for the whole game. You tell me how how the two superbowls don't compare.

And the four years before that when he stunk up the joint? Was that Martz fault and the niggas bumping his receivers off routes as well? lMan you got more excuses than a virgin on prom nite. Be blessed. Im out.

 

[Amajorfucup]

why all the McVay hate though? His best move so far was bringing in Wade Phillips to run the D. now the Rams just need some players.

Come on man.. they SHOULD be critical of that little fuck. Hes 30 years old with no experience as a coach and only 1 season as a coordinator for a barely 500 team. The guy was crowned the next great thing despite doing nothing of note or having any significant wins or accomplishments on the resume. Everyone should be skeptical. And this is coming from a guy who wanted him to be the next HC of a team he roots for if for no other reason than to get Grudens bitch ass up out the paint.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

why all the McVay hate though? His best move so far was bringing in Wade Phillips to run the D. now the Rams just need some players.

And a quarterback

And the hate is he actually shouldn't have this job. If we are being honest

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Come on man.. they SHOULD be critical of that little fuck. Hes 30 years old with no experience as a coach and only 1 season as a coordinator for a barely 500 team. The guy was crowned the next great thing despite doing nothing of note or having any significant wins or accomplishments on the resume. Everyone should be skeptical. And this is coming from a guy who wanted him to be the next HC of a team he roots for if for no other reason than to get Grudens bitch ass up out the paint.

30 years old no track record only family connections and he's a head coach

 

[Amajorfucup]

30 years old no track record only family connections and he's a head coach

Crazy man... His grand dad used to GM your guys back in the day. They've been hyping the kid as a genius locally for 5 years. Morons overhyped him to the point where he was pouched right from under them. Im gonna be pissed if he ends up living up to the hype while Gruden keeps cashing checks and winning 9 games.. So for that alone i hope he fails.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Crazy man... His grand dad used to GM your guys back in the day. They've been hyping the kid as a genius locally for 5 years. Morons overhyped him to the point where he was pouched right from under them. Im gonna be pissed if he ends up living up to the hype while Gruden keeps cashing checks and winning 9 games.. So for that alone i hope he fails.

Gruden is gonna lose his job for being a bigot

Ran every play to help cousins mediocre trash ass learn the system he shouldve ran for rg3.

Idgaf what rg3 is now when Gruden fucked him over he still had a chance to be what we has and was robbed of it completely on purpose in favor of a trash ass qb who had all the weapons in the world and couldn't win.

I hope they hold them hostage for the next 5 years just tied to the hip of that franchise

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

No. I dont care about personnel decisions.. None of that changes what he did with the GSOT. He is the architect behind arguably the greatest offense in NFL history.. Top 3 undeniably.

You wanted me to quote this shit but im not sure why... No idea what this has to do with what has been stated in regards to Martz or Cutler. Again, i dont give a fuck about his draft record or talent evaluator. I will be the first to tell you i have no idea if he was in GM role at this point. My point of contention is his greatness and impact are certified and anyone saying he "ruined" Jay Cutler is full of shit.

Kurts wife was an insufferable bitch and public annoyance.. You say you from the Lou so you should know this. Her criticisms means absolutely shit to me my man... Ask her how she felt when Kurt was on his "paper or plastic" thug thizzle. Martz put her kids thru private school. She should show some fucking respect.

You know how many fucking players got concussed and stayed in games? Man stfu. Martz got Kurt a ring, MVP trophy, and in The Hall... All this other shit is white noise.

And the four years before that when he stunk up the joint? Was that Martz fault and the niggas bumping his receivers off routes as well? lMan you got more excuses than a virgin on prom nite. Be blessed. Im out.[

This how know I really don't know you don't know what fuck you are talking about. What fucking 4 years are you talking about. If you mean Warner, Warner hardly had a chance to play for anyone. Shit when he was in Green Bay he was fucking sitting on a depth chart with Brett Favre. Everyone knows prior to the rams, he was best known for playing well in NFL Europe and arena league (which is where Kurt said he got his quick timing from). The rams is the first time he ever had a real chance to start and that was only because of Green going down.

As I stated before, Martz never should have been in Chicago and that is all I was pointing out. I don't give a shit about Cutler because Chicago wasn't built for a Mike Martz offense

Paper or plastic boy is in the Hall of Fame after taking ANOTHER team to the supererbowl. Meanwhile, Martz is sitting on fucking fox sports, butt hurt about a team he no longer coaches in a league that pushed him out. Where was this outrage when Kyle Shanahan was getting coaching and OC jobs because his dad?

And if a coach is too stupid to adjust his game plan after seeing what is going on?? Ask Kyle Shanahan and Pete Carroll about over relying on passing. All three (Martz included) lost super bowls because they refused to run the ball when needed, and they all lost TO THE SAME FUCKING TEAM.

 

[Amajorfucup]

This how know I really don't know you don't know what fuck you are talking about. What fucking 4 years are you talking about. If you mean Warner, Warner hardly had a chance to play for anyone.

I thought you mentioned Warners Super Bowl pick six and used his wideouts being bumped as excuse for his bad play.. I asked about the 4 years of bad play leading up until that season. Thats my bad... Going back i now see that you were referencing his Super Bowl loss against NE.. Anyone playing that on ANYTHING other than what it was is a fucking fool. Both Kurt and Marshall have openly stated the Pats were calling playing , jumping routes, and adjusting on Rams audibles and signals. You're full of shit suggesting anything other than blatant spygate fuckery cost them that win. Again, you sure you from the Lou?

As I stated before, Martz never should have been in Chicago and that is all I was pointing out. I don't give a shit about Cutler because Chicago wasn't built for a Mike Martz offense

What do you mean he should have never been in chicago? He shoulda been given a blank ticket to wherever the fuck he wanted to go clown. He turned a paper of plastic nigga into a league MVP and champion.. He had Marc fuckin Bulger winning 12/14 games... He was the architect of the best offense the league had ever seen. Are you fucking serious!? He had several job offers... Raiders wanted him bad but Al low balled him so he went elsewhere. These are all facts.

Paper or plastic boy is in the Hall of Fame after taking ANOTHER team to the supererbowl.

Right... Now i will insert my response from earlier... What about the 4 years in between when he stunk up the joint?? He fell off a cliff and onto a milk carton the moment Mike left him. He salvaged it with one fluke season in Zona where he shit the bed in the Super Bowl. Fact.

Meanwhile, Martz is sitting on fucking fox sports, butt hurt about a team he no longer coaches in a league that pushed him out. Where was this outrage when Kyle Shanahan was getting coaching and OC jobs because his dad?

Where Martz is today is of no concern to me. Maybe you have a problem with reading or maybe you have an issue with comprehension... None of that shit matters to me. His resume is his resume. What he is doing today as a 70 year old man is of no consequence to me. How many 70 year old head coaches getting hired today anyway? As for outrage, what are you talking about? And whats Kyle Shanahan have to do with this? Stay focused.. I will do you a courtesy tho and let you know if been THE biggest critic of the Shanahan clan on this board since 2009.

And if a coach is too stupid to adjust his game plan after seeing what is going on?? Ask Kyle Shanahan and Pete Carroll about over relying on passing. All three (Martz included) lost super bowls because they refused to run the ball when needed, and they all lost TO THE SAME FUCKING TEAM.

Again you bring up Shanahan, and again you assess blame to Martz for losing a Super Bowl by 3 points in a game where his team was UNQUESTIONABLY CHEATED!!! Nigga are you retarded or just pretending to be!!?? Its not debatable whether the pats cheated or not.. Drawing a parallel between that loss and the Seahawks and Falcons is fucking fiction at its finest.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

I thought you mentioned Warners Super Bowl pick six and used his wideouts being bumped as excuse for his bad play.. I asked about the 4 years of bad play leading up until that season. Thats my bad... Going back i now see that you were referencing his Super Bowl loss against NE.. Anyone playing that on ANYTHING other than what it was is a fucking fool. Both Kurt and Marshall have openly stated the Pats were calling playing , jumping routes, and adjusting on Rams audibles and signals. You're full of shit suggesting anything other than blatant spygate fuckery cost them that win. Again, you sure you from the Lou?

What do you mean he should have never been in chicago? He shoulda been given a blank ticket to wherever the fuck he wanted to go clown. He turned a paper of plastic nigga into a league MVP and champion.. He had Marc fuckin Bulger winning 12/14 games... He was the architect of the best offense the league had ever seen. Are you fucking serious!? He had several job offers... Raiders wanted him bad but Al low balled him so he went elsewhere. These are all facts.

Right... Now i will insert my response from earlier... What about the 4 years in between when he stunk up the joint?? He fell off a cliff and onto a milk carton the moment Mike left him. He salvaged it with one fluke season in Zona where he shit the bed in the Super Bowl. Fact.

Where Martz is today is of no concern to me. Maybe you have a problem with reading or maybe you have an issue with comprehension... None of that shit matters to me. His resume is his resume. What he is doing today as a 70 year old man is of no consequence to me. How many 70 year old head coaches getting hired today anyway? As for outrage, what are you talking about? And whats Kyle Shanahan have to do with this? Stay focused.. I will do you a courtesy tho and let you know if been THE biggest critic of the Shanahan clan on this board since 2009.

Again you bring up Shanahan, and again you assess blame to Martz for losing a Super Bowl by 3 points in a game where his team was UNQUESTIONABLY CHEATED!!! Nigga are you retarded or just pretending to be!!?? Its not debatable whether the pats cheated or not.. Drawing a parallel between that loss and the Seahawks and Falcons is fucking fiction at its finest.

IF SOMEONE KNOWs YOUR FUCKING PLAYS...CHANGE THE GODDAMN PLAY CALLS. WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU CALLING PLAYS THE OTHER TEAMS KNOW. Yes the Pat cheated, yet you still throw 44 fucking times against a team that know what your passing plays look like. Meanwhile Faulk was averaging 4.4 yards a carry for those 17 attempts.

You can clown Warner all you want. Martz never made it to the Superbowl again without Warner. FACT

again, riding the slow bus. How the fuck does Chicago's personal compare to the Rams? they had cutler, olson, matt forte. If martz was known for 4 and 5 wide receiver sets, who were his holt, bruce, Hakim, proehl, etc? The only thing close was forte who was seen as a Faulk type back. As mentioned before he convinced the team to trade away their star TE. Chicago was never known for high power offenses and had no intentions of building one when Martz got there.

Lions, Raiders, Chicago...great fucking career choices. I'm sure Martz woke up and said I love to be an OC again on one of these great football teams at the time. Meanwhile, Norv Turner (another OC genius and 1 year younger than Martz), gets to coach a San Diego team that was 14-2 the year before, and had an offense that Martz could definitely work with.

 

[Amajorfucup]

IF SOMEONE KNOWs YOUR FUCKING PLAYS...CHANGE THE GODDAMN PLAY CALLS. WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU CALLING PLAYS THE OTHER TEAMS KNOW. Yes the Pat cheated, yet you still throw 44 fucking times against a team that know what your passing plays look like. Meanwhile Faulk was averaging 4.4 yards a carry for those 17 attempts.

This makes absolutely no fucking sense. The fact remains you attribute the loss to coaching when the FACT is they were cheated and everyone with even hald a clue knows and accepts this as factual history. How easy do you think it is to change a game plan, signals, audibles, plays in real time? They had a system in place based largely on timing and precision. What you are talking is video game nonsense and is easier said then done. You essentially expected them to recognize they were being gamed in real time, and scrap a offense hey took years to perfect to adjust to a team that had their plays. Foh.

And again, none of this has anything to do with the overall point that Martz as certified as the architect of the best offense ever at that time. EVER.

You can clown Warner all you want. Martz never made it to the Superbowl again without Warner. FACT

Not clowning him. Im clowning YOU. Im stating the facts on Kurt. Martz made him who he was. Martz offense utilized the unique skillset of all his players and made something the league had never seen before. Kurt fell of a cliff after that and resurrected his career 4 years later in the desert with a top 10 all time talent catching his ducks. Fact.

again, riding the slow bus. How the fuck does Chicago's personal compare to the Rams? they had cutler, olson, matt forte. If martz was known for 4 and 5 wide receiver sets, who were his holt, bruce, Hakim, proehl, etc? The only thing close was forte who was seen as a Faulk type back. As mentioned before he convinced the team to trade away their star TE. Chicago was never known for high power offenses and had no intentions of building one when Martz got there.

How does this change anything that happened in STL? Does it take Martz out of the history books? Does it negate his super bowl and him being cheated out of another super bowl? Does it invalidate the 12/14 wins with Bulger? Does it erase that Cutler played 250% ball without him and nearly 700% with him? You telling me how shitty the talent was in chicago only further underscores Martz abilities you moron. Sit down and shut up.

 

[kdogg3270]

Come on man.. they SHOULD be critical of that little fuck. Hes 30 years old with no experience as a coach and only 1 season as a coordinator for a barely 500 team. The guy was crowned the next great thing despite doing nothing of note or having any significant wins or accomplishments on the resume. Everyone should be skeptical. And this is coming from a guy who wanted him to be the next HC of a team he roots for if for no other reason than to get Grudens bitch ass up out the paint.

i fully agree with you there. and yes,

 

[durham]

31 yrd old NFL head coach is the epitome of white fucking privilege. straight bullshit

all the SHIT Tony Dungy had to go through....

 

[sahusahir]

in my youth i was a LA rams fan. now i'm like fuck the rams. they should have picked up Kaepernick. he would have been perfect for the team and to matchup with division rivals. fuck the rams, jarod goff a bum, scott mcvay unproven. if developing kirk cousins is your claim to fame, you ain't done shit. jared goff ain't kirk cousins period and scott mcvay ain't a miracle worker.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

This makes absolutely no fucking sense. The fact remains you attribute the loss to coaching when the FACT is they were cheated and everyone with even hald a clue knows and accepts this as factual history. How easy do you think it is to change a game plan, signals, audibles, plays in real time? They had a system in place based largely on timing and precision. What you are talking is video game nonsense and is easier said then done. You essentially expected them to recognize they were being gamed in real time, and scrap a offense hey took years to perfect to adjust to a team that had their plays. Foh.

And again, none of this has anything to do with the overall point that Martz as certified as the architect of the best offense ever at that time. EVER.

Not clowning him. Im clowning YOU. Im stating the facts on Kurt. Martz made him who he was. Martz offense utilized the unique skillset of all his players and made something the league had never seen before. Kurt fell of a cliff after that and resurrected his career 4 years later in the desert with a top 10 all time talent catching his ducks. Fact.

How does this change anything that happened in STL? Does it take Martz out of the history books? Does it negate his super bowl and him being cheated out of another super bowl? Does it invalidate the 12/14 wins with Bulger? Does it erase that Cutler played 250% ball without him and nearly 700% with him? You telling me how shitty the talent was in chicago only further underscores Martz abilities you moron. Sit down and shut up.

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Cutler's 2014 and 2015 showed similar stats to his two MVP like seasons with Martz (your world...not mine). He got hurt in 2016 and released,but guess what, he is now in Miami with a coaching staff (no martz) who got him those numbers.

For all the magical revisionist history you like to make up about Martz post Warner Rams

Martz was only there 3 fucking years in St.Louis after Warner was cut.

2003-- 12-4--lost to the Panthers at home in the playffs because someone thought old ass Jason Sehorn would make a good safety.
From New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/20/s...gn-sehorn-to-a-one-year-contract.html?mcubz=0
Martz liked Sehorn's ball awareness and he was willing to take a chance on Sehorn's battle-scarred legs on the Rams' artificial playing surface.
Steve Smith still running after that play.

2004--8-8-Got destroyed by the Falcons in the playoffs

2005--2-3-Got fired after taking time off during the season for sickness.

For all your pretend history, Martz post Warner career was not that great. If you want celebrate 4 good years (already acknowledged Bulger's good play, but you ignored that) out of a 9 year career (longer if you include all his NFL gigs) go ahead. Just member that 3 of those of years included future hall of famer, Kurt Warner.

Still won't acknowledge that the team knew early on that the Pats were cheating. It was a close enough game that a slight play-calling adjustment could have made the difference. Running the fucking ball a few more times is not video game non-sense. Video game non-sense is calling 44 fucking pass plays in a game in which your receivers are getting beat up and knocked off their routes (said before but you ignored)

Still no response about Norv Turner I see.


You can call me names all day..don't really care...will just keep tearing down your weak arguments.

 

[Amajorfucup]

For all your pretend history, Martz post Warner career was not that great.

What pretend history and where did i comment on the greatness of his career post Warner other than to debunk your (or whoevers) bullshit defense of Jay Cuntler? You're full of shit.

For all the magical revisionist history you like to make up about Martz post Warner Rams

Im not certain you know what these words mean. You should probably stop using them.

Still no response about Norv Turner I see.

Whats Norv have to do with this discussion? Stay focused. I dont go for irrelevant distractions.

2003-- 12-4--lost to the Panthers at home in the playffs because someone thought old ass Jason Sehorn would make a good safety.
From New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/20/s...gn-sehorn-to-a-one-year-contract.html?mcubz=0
Martz liked Sehorn's ball awareness and he was willing to take a chance on Sehorn's battle-scarred legs on the Rams' artificial playing surface.

Yea.. im convinced you're a fucking retard. For the 20th time, im not in the least concerned with his track record as a GM or talent scout. Hopefully that sinks in your head at this point.

Look man, whats your point? Seriously... All youve done is create points to argue hilel getting so far off track that i have no idea what you're even discussing at this point. Every point i debunk you just come back with more left field bullshit that has not argued nor do i give a fuck about. Make a clear concise point or stfu. This has become a waste of time and you're all over the place like dog shit.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

What pretend history and where did i comment on the greatness of his career post Warner other than to debunk your (or whoevers) bullshit defense of Jay Cuntler? You're full of shit.

Im not certain you know what these words mean. You should probably stop using them.

Whats Norv have to do with this discussion? Stay focused. I dont go for irrelevant distractions.

Yea.. im convinced you're a fucking retard. For the 20th time, im not in the least concerned with his track record as a GM or talent scout. Hopefully that sinks in your head at this point.

Look man, whats your point? Seriously... All youve done is create points to argue hilel getting so far off track that i have no idea what you're even discussing at this point. Every point i debunk you just come back with more left field bullshit that has not argued nor do i give a fuck about. Make a clear concise point or stfu. This has become a waste of time and you're all over the place like dog shit.

Norv and Martz are one year apart in age. You mentioned Martz didn't get another coaching job because of age...did you not say that?

You brought up multiple times his 12-4 YEAR (as in 1 year) post Warner.

The fact that you are getting mad calling me names and can't really back up your arguments is funny to me. Picking and choosing certain aspects of Martz's career while ignoring others shows me that you really don't what the fuck you are talking about and just want to argue for the sake of arguing. Martz had a chance to build a up a post Dick Vermeil Rams team, but couldn't do it. This is a fact. Someone with Martz's so-called talent getting OC jobs on shitty teams and quitting or getting fired, after one or two seasons is not not a good look. This is also a fact.

Go ahead say some dumb shit and keep amusing me. I'm having fun...peace.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Norv and Martz are one year apart in age. You mentioned Martz didn't get another coaching job because of age...did you not say that?

So one example negates the entirety of the remaining that illustrate the opposite? The fact that Norv is the only name you can pull out of your ass kinda proves my point. And to be clear, i never said a 70 year old wasnt employable.. I said they typically aint out here getting HC looks. And they arent.

You brought up multiple times his 12-4 YEAR (as in 1 year) post Warner.

The point remains... He made Marc Bulger a winner. Teams age and decline, i never said he ran a long standing dynasty. Again, my point was he wasnt to blame for losing the Super Bowl and that his resume is certified and stamped with arguably the greatest offense ever and top 3 undeniably. Why you continue to ignore that blatant fact and create other arguments to assign and dispute is beyond me.

The fact that you are getting mad calling me names and can't really back up your arguments is funny to me.

The fact that you think anyone is mad and that you cant comprehend how you are getting work in this discussion is even funnier. You've done nothing but ramble off a bunch of shit that makes no sense and that i have no desire to discuss or dispute... and thats after you initial debunked bullshit about Mike costing the Rams the ring and him ruining a career slug like Cuntler.

Someone with Martz's so-called talent getting OC jobs on shitty teams and quitting or getting fired, after one or two seasons is not not a good look. This is also a fact.

I dont give a fuck what you subjectively think is a good look asshole.. How long do you think coaches last in this league? His resume spans nearly 20 years you dam fool. Further, none of that removes the GSOT and the super bowl run from his resume. Thats my original point.. you continuing to discredit him by focusing on other shit i care nothing about is one you.

Go ahead say some dumb shit and keep amusing me..

You're intelligent and informed.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Yo I'm dyyyyin

Martz destroyed cutler entirely

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

So one example negates the entirety of the remaining that illustrate the opposite? The fact that Norv is the only name you can pull out of your ass kinda proves my point. And to be clear, i never said a 70 year old wasnt employable.. I said they typically aint out here getting HC looks. And they arent.

The point remains... He made Marc Bulger a winner. Teams age and decline, i never said he ran a long standing dynasty. Again, my point was he wasnt to blame for losing the Super Bowl and that his resume is certified and stamped with arguably the greatest offense ever and top 3 undeniably. Why you continue to ignore that blatant fact and create other arguments to assign and dispute is beyond me.

The fact that you think anyone is mad and that you cant comprehend how you are getting work in this discussion is even funnier. You've done nothing but ramble off a bunch of shit that makes no sense and that i have no desire to discuss or dispute... and thats after you initial debunked bullshit about Mike costing the Rams the ring and him ruining a career slug like Cuntler.

I dont give a fuck what you subjectively think is a good look asshole.. How long do you think coaches last in this league? His resume spans nearly 20 years you dam fool. Further, none of that removes the GSOT and the super bowl run from his resume. Thats my original point.. you continuing to discredit him by focusing on other shit i care nothing about is one you.

You're intelligent and informed.

The more you post the dumber you come off. I really don't have to say much at this point. Your stupidity really shows and constantly proves my point. Their are number of CURRENT coaches who have had longer head coaching and OC jobs than Martz.

Nobody knew anything about Bulger because he never really played. Once he got a chance, he did well. At least until Martz let the team fall apart.

No one gives a shit about you think about dynasty teams. There are number of teams that have kept their teams competitive for a number of years. Andy Reid kept Philly competitive for years (you see what they are like post Reid, meanwhile in KC..)Baltimore, Packers, Patriots, Pittsburgh. Funny how the packers didn't fall off when Rogers took over. Before you start crying about Bmore. Baltimore fell off when they gave all that money to Flacco (which was AFTER they won their second Super Bowl)

Cutler still in the NFL starting for another team...Martz sitting at home.

Norv Turner (one year younger) employed up to last year...Mike Martz sitting at home since 2012.

We will pretend like Pete Carroll is not a year younger than Martz, got hired, while Martz was bumbling around in Chicago as an OC, and is still working...AS HEAD COACH BTW, he has been two recent Superbowls.

Mike Shanahan two years younger than Martz..gets head coaching job with Redskins while Martz is where? OC in Chicago. Just to keep fucking with you because I can, how did Shanahan win his TWO superbowls? By running his STAR running back when needed...just to point that out.

John Fox...62 hired for his THIRD coaching job at 60...nope didn't happen.

Bruce Arians 64..hired around 61...nope didn't happen.

Dick Lebeau, 79...hired around 77 to be DC and AC.

Just be an asshole and embarrass you even more...Wade Phillips...70 years old...just hired as DC for the Rams.

Dude let it go. You can't win this argument. I'm sorry you are so butt hurt about Martz. Pretending he had a great coaching career isn't going to make it so. The dude had a couple of good years in St. Louis (living off of Dick Vermeil's team) and never was able to build on it...his resume speaks for itself.

 

[Amajorfucup]

The more you post the dumber you come off. I really don't have to say much at this point. Your stupidity really shows and constantly proves my point. Their are number of CURRENT coaches who have had longer head coaching and OC jobs than Martz.

Yea.. except i specifically referenced this in conteext as him being HEAD COACH you illiterate bitch. See for yourself:

What he is doing today as a 70 year old man is of no consequence to me. How many 70 year old head coaches getting hired today anyway?

And again, you being able to point out Norv and a few other nameless coordinators and position coaches as a counter argument still changes nothing. At this point you're only restating the same stupid shit over and over again.

Nobody knew anything about Bulger because he never really played. Once he got a chance, he did well. At least until Martz let the team fall apart.

Right.. and nobody knew about Kurt either until Mike had him, and Cuntler was playing .250 ball until Mike had him. All coincidences im certain. Ho stfu.

No one gives a shit about you think about dynasty teams.

Except i wasnt the one to mention dynastys. I only responded to the fool saying Martz ruined one... when the reality is he created what would have been one but for Spygate and and a aging Faulk and injury prone KW.

There are number of teams that have kept their teams competitive for a number of years. Andy Reid kept Philly competitive for years (you see what they are like post Reid, meanwhile in KC..)Baltimore, Packers, Patriots, Pittsburgh. Funny how the packers didn't fall off when Rogers took over. Before you start crying about Bmore. Baltimore fell off when they gave all that money to Flacco (which was AFTER they won their second Super Bowl)

Right. Now show me the one that was responsible for the greatest offense ever seen at the time and then tell me what any of them have to do with a discussion about your continued attempts to discredit Martz. Again, you're just talking out your ass and making no sense. This is just stream of consciousness bullshit from a low thinking moron. The rest of your post is more of the same. Stay focused bitch and pose a pertinent point or just go away.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

Yea.. except i specifically referenced this in conteext as him being HEAD COACH you illiterate bitch. See for yourself:

And again, you being able to point out Norv and a few other nameless coordinators and position coaches as a counter argument still changes nothing. At this point you're only restating the same stupid shit over and over again.

Right.. and nobody knew about Kurt either until Mike had him, and Cuntler was playing .250 ball until Mike had him. All coincidences im certain. Ho stfu.

Except i wasnt the one to mention dynastys. I only responded to the fool saying Martz ruined one... when the reality is he created what would have been one but for Spygate and and a aging Faulk and injury prone KW.

Right. Now show me the one that was responsible for the greatest offense ever seen at the time and then tell me what any of them have to do with a discussion about your continued attempts to discredit Martz. Again, you're just talking out your ass and making no sense. This is just stream of consciousness bullshit from a low thinking moron. The rest of your post is more of the same. Stay focused bitch and pose a pertinent point or just go away.

JOHN FOX CURRENT COACH, PETE CARROLL CURRENT COACH, BRUCE ARIAN CURRENT COACH...

You really need to work on your debate skills. You keep moving the goal post and I keep scoring on you.

A number of 60 year old men were hired as coaches over the years including recently. Your argument about Martz's age being factor was shot down long time ago. You said no one Martz age was hired as a coach. I mention Norv Turner. You complained that I could only find one. I found several more (either hired around the time martz was in the league as OC or currently). You said Head Coaching careers are short. Yes, on a per team basis. Yet many HC have had the opportunity to coach multiple teams AND WERE AROUND 60 WHEN HIRED TO THOSE NEW TEAMS. Martz? One and done.

You say I don't acknowledge Martz's success as an offensive genius. Yet, you seem to ignore the Vermeil factor. Dick Vermeil (if my math is right, was around 63 WHEN HE WAS HIRED ) and Martz 2.0, Al Saunders,took over the coaching staff of KC after a short retirement from the rams. With ex-ram QB Trent Green, they built up a powerhouse offense (rated number one for like 3 or 4 years I believe), and turned kC into a contender. This is while the Martz lead Rams are starting to regress. If you are not keeping score. Dick Vermeil helps to build two different teams into offensive powerhouses. Mike Martz capitalizes on a team that was already built.

You said Martz had this great 20+ career in coaching, which included a lot of things other than being OC or HC for the NFL. When I point out that other coaches have had longer careers as HC,AC, DC,OC etc. and a lot of them are well over the age of 60, you are saying that is immaterial. So which is it?

You keep ignoring the fact that Steven Jackson (drafted 1st round 2004) was seen as Faulk's replacement. Steven Jackson was kept off the field way too long. He came in way too late to be effective. Look what happened after Martz was fired and Jackson became the starter.

After the dismissal of head coach Mike Martz, 2006 became Jackson's breakout season. With Scott Linehan as the new head coach, the Rams had a more balanced offensive attack. Jackson ran 346 times for 1,528 yards and 13 touchdowns and led all running backs when he caught 90 passes for 806 yards, and adding 3 touchdowns. He also led the NFL in total yards from scrimmage with 2,334. For his efforts, Jackson was named to his first Pro Bowl and received one vote for the 2006 NFL Offensive Player of the Year award.[7] He was also named the Rams MVP of 2006.

Kurt Warner had one bad season with the rams and that was 2002. 2003, he was benched after the first game. That is the year they went 12-4 with Bulger. So Warner falling off a cliff was not an issue. Bulger turned out to be a good qb for the team, even though you pretend otherwise.


You keep pretending Martz made Cutler the best he can be, but again not true. His stats are better with Case with all things being equal.
Cutler with Martz 2010 15 games
Total Yards Thrown-3274
TD-23
INT-16
Sacks-52 (number 1 in most sacked qb for the year)

Cutler with Case 2014 15 games
Total Yards Thrown-3812
TD-28
INT-18
Sacks-38 (number 8 on most sacked qb the year)

You keep crying about the Super Bowl. Yet great coaches learn to adjust. NFL was built on running the ball. Teams have won Super Bowls by running the ball, yet in your mind that some video game shit. Calling me names isn't going to change how dumb that comment was.

 

[dtownsfinest]

why all the McVay hate though? His best move so far was bringing in Wade Phillips to run the D. now the Rams just need some players.

Don't they have 4-3 personnel though? Aaron Donald when he's done holding out.....is he the nose tackle now? Not sure if Wade was the best fit but Wade's track recored is pretty good of turning defense around.

 

[kdogg3270]

Don't they have 4-3 personnel though? Aaron Donald when he's done holding out.....is he the nose tackle now? Not sure if Wade was the best fit but Wade's track recored is pretty good of turning defense around.

that's what i was referring to. shit , the redskins should have brought him in but Gruden is a clueless dumbass.

 

[dtownsfinest]

that's what i was referring to. shit , the redskins should have brought him in but Gruden is a clueless dumbass.

Seems kind of odd though....Rams have some good defensive personnel.....shocked they'd just switch that to the 3-4.

 

[kdogg3270]

Seems kind of odd though....Rams have some good defensive personnel.....shocked they'd just switch that to the 3-4.

i dont care for seeing teams do that either. skins were always a 4-3 team until Shanahan arrived. To me you build around your personnel and not the other way around.

 

[dtownsfinest]

i dont care for seeing teams do that either. skins were always a 4-3 team until Shanahan arrived. To me you build around your personnel and not the other way around.

I agree.....if you got 4-3 personnel you should've hired a guy who masters that. Rams are about to be a mess. I'm shocked he took that job.

 

[Amajorfucup]

JOHN FOX CURRENT COACH, PETE CARROLL CURRENT COACH, BRUCE ARIAN CURRENT COACH...

You really need to work on your debate skills. You keep moving the goal post and I keep scoring on you.

Is this what you consider a debate? Then you probably need to work on your understanding of that term as well son. And the only one moving goalpost are YOU. You've gone from discussing, ageism, Mikes current employment status, his record as a GM, Cuntler being hired by Miami, other position coaches being 60, etc..etc..... Again man, you're all over place to the point where you've either forgotten the origin of the discussion or are purposely running from it because you keep getting worked on facts.

Look my man... im not following you down the rabbit into the abyss of idiocy you keep digging yourself.... I will again post my original reply to your dumb ass as further evidence to both the original point and the fact that you have NOTHING legitimate to dispute or argue against but the bullshit you have created for yourself......

Come on man... The guy was architect of arguably the most explosive and dominant NFL offense in the history of the game. His coaching record is a very respectful 600+. His coaching style was NOTHING like the idiocy that cost Atlanta a super bowl. As for him coaching, he had a near 20 year career and continues to be sought after. He "retired" on his own terms and alot of the criticism came at a time when people thought Jay Cuntler was still a potential great QB and Martz was the reason he underachieved... Time has told us that it wasnt Martz that was the issue its just hat Cuntler was a ho. Now im not saying that Martz didnt run his welcome out at stops or that his offense wasnt pass heavy, but ignoring the contributions the guy made to the game is nonsense.. Injuries and Pats cheating are what robbed the Greatest Show on Turf from multiple super bowl wins... Not Martz.

All facts. All that other shit you talking and concocting is just that.. Now fuck off.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

Is this what you consider a debate? Then you probably need to work on your understanding of that term as well son. And the only one moving goalpost are YOU. You've gone from discussing, ageism, Mikes current employment status, his record as a GM, Cuntler being hired by Miami, other position coaches being 60, etc..etc..... Again man, you're all over place to the point where you've either forgotten the origin of the discussion or are purposely running from it because you keep getting worked on facts.

Look my man... im not following you down the rabbit into the abyss of idiocy you keep digging yourself.... I will again post my original reply to your dumb ass as further evidence to both the original point and the fact that you have NOTHING legitimate to dispute or argue against but the bullshit you have created for yourself......


All facts. All that other shit you talking and concocting is just that.. Now fuck off.

I showed these posts to some friends of mine and one of them asked me why am I arguing with this idiot... he was referring to you. If it makes you feel any better, we all got a good laugh at your expense. Of course they clowned my ass for taking you seriously in the first place.

i am going to take your advice and fuck off from this thread ... lol.
Beating up on you isn't fun more.

 

[Amajorfucup]

I showed these posts to some friends of mine and one of them asked me why am I arguing with this idiot... he was referring to you. If it makes you feel any better, we all got a good laugh at your expense. Of course they clowned my ass for taking you seriously in the first place.

Man if you showing BGOL threads to your "friends" and thats what you need to validate and feel better about yourself then you're a bigger loser than i thought... and you also need better friends. God bless you bro.

 

[twillz1]

Anything involving Jason fat-ass Whitlock I will pass. Coach McVay will either pass or fail. I remember when the Bengals hired Mike Shula. Give the kid a shot. Why not?

Yep.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Man if you showing BGOL threads to your "friends" and thats what you need to validate and feel better about yourself then you're a bigger loser than i thought... and you also need better friends. God bless you bro.

Dog

My stomach hurting from you niggas man

On my god

U been owned twice this week in just 3 days.

Nigga said he showed his" home bois" your replies

I can tell u one thing

Cutler best year wasn't under martz