New Beef 50 Vs The King Of The South

Fck dat, as far as I'm concerned any mainstream rap nigga is a snitch. I can't believe that niggas who probably only nickel and dimed it at best (like the average hood cat) would be willing to go all out for the glory of being a ghetto/project hero. Somea yall act like 50 was really movin ki's and bodyin cats left and rite GTFOH....


NAH NIGGA, FCK THAT, if they would be content w/that why the fnck would they start rappin the 1st place?:confused::confused::confused: Personally, I love battles, it usually never fails to bring out the best in artists. TI sorta ended Flip's career, and cud possible end Shawty Lo's bullshit career (think abot how Nas has little to no street cred but still verbally bodied Jay), and 50 u already know. I wouldn't mind seeing the King of the South duke it out w/the King of NY (not on his d!ck but we all know Fif cud claim that shit if he really wanted it)...............

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you left out one: chamillionaire.... when cham released "victory" he diddnt cuss on the album (after the don imus incident)and when 50 was asked about the situation he said "Im not changing my music. but he can go and make his gospel records." and by far chamillionarie performed the most inteligent move made by a hip hop artist by IGNORING 50
 
shit getting sad...but kinda smart/clever.
i guess since he lost his war with kanye.
he's now just tryna go against any ol body in order to stay in the spot light/still make some extra money on the side.

kool little hustle huh?
 
everybody knows his game.... i hope t.i. plays him no mind.....

It's all a fucking game. They aiming to perpetuate some type of cultural rivalry between ATL & NY. Same bullshit that can be seen miles away. Cuuurtis just saying what we're all thinking. Both parties are probably looking to make some noise for a reason$$$$$$$
This is not the worst thing that can happen to Hip Hop.

50 only opens his mouth about somebody if he thinks itll get sales.

Basically. He's just feeding you what you want to hear. If not, this won't be such a big deal.
 
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I'M REALLY NOT TRYING TO BE FUNNY, BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE HE SAID IT IN A FEW RAPS.

Its documented bruh, not just music.

He did a year in jail in like 2005, right before "Urban Legend" came out.


He caught SOME felonies when he was young, and in georgia the D.A. for whatever municipality decides how to try the case. They can try a 16 year old as an adult.
Possesion of a gun is a felony in Atlanta, mandatory 5 years. This was before he was even 18, it was all in the newspapers because of where they caught him at. He had like 2 pistols, 3 illegal cell phones, and about a pound of weed.

I don't think he told on nobody. I tell niggas all the time this.... NEVER GO TO COURT WITHOUT A LAWYER
Believe it or not, it does make a difference. I beat a pistol case, and another felony the following year. They respect you more in court, talk to you different and everything. They seem to be more on their toes because your lawyer can use any/all of their own unprofessionalism or slip-ups against them to your advantage.

The nigga was smart. His legal team was even better.
And besides, who could he have told on?
 
you left out one: chamillionaire.... when cham released "victory" he diddnt cuss on the album (after the don imus incident)and when 50 was asked about the situation he said "Im not changing my music. but he can go and make his gospel records." and by far chamillionarie performed the most inteligent move made by a hip hop artist by IGNORING 50

:lol:
 
FOR WHAT?


T.I. was on probation stemming from a 1998 conviction for violating a state controlled substances act and for giving false information. After being released on probation, he earned a litany of probation violations in several counties around Georgia for offenses ranging from possession of a firearm to possession of marijuana.[20] In 2006, after appearing in an Atlanta court on (May 10) and having charges that he threatened a man outside a strip club last year dropped for lack of evidence, T.I. was arrested on an outstanding probation violation warrant from Florida. The warrant claims that T.I. did not complete the required number of community service hours he was sentenced for a 2003 assault of a female sheriff deputy at University Mall in Tampa. T.I. was detained by several mall Security Guards at the time of the incident, among them, Jason Phillips (founder of Certified Protective Services), Larry Warner (founder of Tactical Response Services), and Arturo Ortiz, now a security manager in Florida. According to WBS-TV Atlanta, the rapper’s attorney has said that the problem was nothing more than a "technical matter" between Georgia and Florida. The confusion arose because T.I. was also sentenced to community service in Georgia for driving with a suspended license, for which he did complete 75 hours of community service in his home state. The rapper was released on bail shortly after being arrested, and was expected to surrender to Florida state authorities next week to resolve the matter.[21]

EVERYTHING MENTIONED HERE COULD EASILY HAVE BEEN MISDEMEANOR. AND FOR SURE HE AINT BEEN TO PRISON BECUSE HE WAS ON PROBATION AND NOT PAROLE. HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ARRESTED PLENTY TIMES BUT I DONT THINK HE EVER CAUGHT A FELONY.

No my dude. TI was a CONVICTED FELON. That's what all the hype was about because a felon CANNOT own a gun.
 
Even if 50 didn't say it you still have to question wether T.I snitched and in my line of work I am almost 100% that T.I gave someone up to only get 12 months on a fed gun charge.

1. Prior convicted felon

2. Got caught purchasing high powered banned guns with silencers

He was suppose to get a mandatory 6 yrs in the bing and to only pay a fine and serve 12 months?

What he expect if he know dudes gonna take shots at him? How can he explain that?

John Gotti had way more reach than T.I and he wasn't even caught with nothing on him, a snitch brought him down.


Sorry T.I fans but your boy is 100% rat.

I hate when niggas try to speak on shit that they obviously know nothing about, the legal system has rules but the law never follows its own rules. Mandatory sentences are only mandatory if the judge chooses to go by that, the guns he was buying were not banned guns, the silencers were banned and he wasnt suppose to have no guns since he's a convicted felon, but dont just focus on T.I. and if he snitched, what about 50 snitch record?

He get caught up in the streets, gets
-possession with intent to distribute crack cocaine
-fleeing and alluding
-concealed weapons

and all he got was 6 months in boot camp, but the niggas that he sold crack for and with went to prison, did somebody snitch then? If he really a convicted felon how is it that he has weapons and has never had charges brought on him for it? There is something called a "Zero Tolerance Gun Policy" which states that convicted felons are not suppose to possess, be with someone in possession or in a house or vehicle that possesses a gun with or without the felons knowledge or there is a minimun 5 year prison vacation coming.

T.I. may only be doing a year in prison but he doing 1500 hours of comimunity service and he gotta go around speaking to the kids in different communities about guns and drugs. They let that nigga off light cause they found a way to fuck up his money. 1000 of that 1500 have to be completeled by March of '09 which means that he cant do no tours and he barely have time to anything else to make money. They taking away what they feel means most to him which is his constant income. It aint stoppin, but its gon slow down dramatically.

And he couldnt have snitched cause they made the deal too quick, if he told on somebody he woulda been locked up until they were able to prove that what he said was true or not, you cant just tell the FEDS some shit and think they gon take your word for it.

You cats dont realize the Feds aint shit like the police or the sheriff, they dont give a fuck about no arrest rate or none of that shit, they about that bread and thats what they did with him, worked out a deal to slow his money and make them some. What is 50's excuse cuz his shit wasnt Fed, he aint have no huge money and he was out in six months free of his felony record?
 
Its documented bruh, not just music.

He did a year in jail in like 2005, right before "Urban Legend" came out.


He caught SOME felonies when he was young, and in georgia the D.A. for whatever municipality decides how to try the case. They can try a 16 year old as an adult.
Possesion of a gun is a felony in Atlanta, mandatory 5 years. This was before he was even 18, it was all in the newspapers because of where they caught him at. He had like 2 pistols, 3 illegal cell phones, and about a pound of weed.

I don't think he told on nobody. I tell niggas all the time this.... NEVER GO TO COURT WITHOUT A LAWYER
Believe it or not, it does make a difference. I beat a pistol case, and another felony the following year. They respect you more in court, talk to you different and everything. They seem to be more on their toes because your lawyer can use any/all of their own unprofessionalism or slip-ups against them to your advantage.

The nigga was smart. His legal team was even better.
And besides, who could he have told on?

See I can agree wit u my dude cuz you seem to have knowledge of the legal system, and having a GOOD lawyer does make a huge difference, I just, in my words beat a gun charge myself so i have first hand knowledge that mandatory sentences are only mandatory if the judge chooses, people dont realize the judge still has the final say on what the sentence is. I got caught with a loaded sawed off shotgun under my seat in my truck and I pled guilty and they gave me 2 years probation and six months in county jail. After a week in county I got out on house arrest (which im currently still on) but I was suppose to get a "mandatory" 7 years and I aint snitch on nobody.

Niggas is quick to try to discredit somebody and call them a snitch, do yall think that maybe money REALLY does speak volumes?!
 
I hate when niggas try to speak on shit that they obviously know nothing about, the legal system has rules but the law never follows its own rules. Mandatory sentences are only mandatory if the judge chooses to go by that, the guns he was buying were not banned guns, the silencers were banned and he wasnt suppose to have no guns since he's a convicted felon, but dont just focus on T.I. and if he snitched, what about 50 snitch record?

He get caught up in the streets, gets
-possession with intent to distribute crack cocaine
-fleeing and alluding
-concealed weapons

and all he got was 6 months in boot camp, but the niggas that he sold crack for and with went to prison, did somebody snitch then? If he really a convicted felon how is it that he has weapons and has never had charges brought on him for it? There is something called a "Zero Tolerance Gun Policy" which states that convicted felons are not suppose to possess, be with someone in possession or in a house or vehicle that possesses a gun with or without the felons knowledge or there is a minimun 5 year prison vacation coming.

T.I. may only be doing a year in prison but he doing 1500 hours of comimunity service and he gotta go around speaking to the kids in different communities about guns and drugs. They let that nigga off light cause they found a way to fuck up his money. 1000 of that 1500 have to be completeled by March of '09 which means that he cant do no tours and he barely have time to anything else to make money. They taking away what they feel means most to him which is his constant income. It aint stoppin, but its gon slow down dramatically.

And he couldnt have snitched cause they made the deal too quick, if he told on somebody he woulda been locked up until they were able to prove that what he said was true or not, you cant just tell the FEDS some shit and think they gon take your word for it.

You cats dont realize the Feds aint shit like the police or the sheriff, they dont give a fuck about no arrest rate or none of that shit, they about that bread and thats what they did with him, worked out a deal to slow his money and make them some. What is 50's excuse cuz his shit wasnt Fed, he aint have no huge money and he was out in six months free of his felony record?

And how you know the Feds wasn't sittin on T.I's ass for a good yr before they moved in? The Feds got all the resources and time in the world when they conduct an investigation and once they move in they move in and catch you in the act.

So you seriously going to fix your trap and tell me I don't know shit when I do this shit for a living? I have witnessed many ninjas flip under pressure. You are in Detroit correct? I don't know the gun laws in Michigan but I'm assuming they are very lack with individual owner and conceal rights but here in the great state of NEW YORK if you don't have a permit for the gun and you get caught wether you have a prior record or not you are getting a mandatory 3 yrs in the bing.

For your info if you knew anything since you are going off on a rant making no fuckin sense you would know that the if you got caught on a state charge they the judge has the discretion UNDER THE SENTENCING GUIDELINES to give you probation or the min to maximum amount of jail time they please.

Your boy T.I got knocked by the ATF, the feds had a open and shut case now you better believe the Feds but the squeeze on T.I to get to the bigger fish they always do. They don't care about the small time players, they just use them as pawns and the small timers ALWAYS FLIP for a lighter sentence.

This trial did not even go to court. Yes T.I have excellent attorneys to work that deal out but you better believe he gave up someone plus a fine, 10 yr probation plus a sentence of 12 months to get that deal.


The ATF ain't the IRS, T.I will get what he spent in lawyers and fines back, if they really wanted to fuck up his money he would be going away for a mandatory 10.

Remy Ma shot some chic and the Judge gave her an easy 6 yrs and that was a state charge, now the D.A in that case gave her a plea bargin to do only 3 yrs, she would have gotten out in a yr and 1/2 if she took it but she went to trail thinking she would get off.

You looking at 50's record and calling him a snitch? if you knew anything about NYS LAW you would know FIRST TIME JUVENILE OFFENDERS caught with contraband dont' go to state prison they go to boot camp.
 
See I can agree wit u my dude cuz you seem to have knowledge of the legal system, and having a GOOD lawyer does make a huge difference, I just, in my words beat a gun charge myself so i have first hand knowledge that mandatory sentences are only mandatory if the judge chooses, people dont realize the judge still has the final say on what the sentence is. I got caught with a loaded sawed off shotgun under my seat in my truck and I pled guilty and they gave me 2 years probation and six months in county jail. After a week in county I got out on house arrest (which im currently still on) but I was suppose to get a "mandatory" 7 years and I aint snitch on nobody.

Niggas is quick to try to discredit somebody and call them a snitch, do yall think that maybe money REALLY does speak volumes?!

People are comparing apples and oranges. State and the feds.

Cant plead the 5th with feds, can with state. A fed conspiracy charge is damn near impossible to DISPROVE. You just talking to a muthafucka= conspriacy. :smh: :smh: :smh:

Hell martha stewarts case was weak and full of shit, and she went to jail. They held barry bonds trainer longer than the time TI got just for not testifying.

FEDS ARE NOT LIKE THE STATE. Cats on state level drug charges get probation on top of probation every day, thats how overloaded the state system is.

Feds dont play that shit. They send you to jail for fucking bullets. FEDS have a 90% conviction rate. When they bring a case they got your ass plus their MADE UP RULES are not in your favor. You are waaaaaaaaaaaaay guilty and its up to you to prove your innocence.

Muthafucka can do a crime in his state and get papers, but if he crosses state lines and it becomes federal they give him 10 years like thye handign out candy.

TI snitching may lead to a fed investigation that goes on for 24-36 months before indictments are unsealed. Maybe he hasnt even snitched yet but is "in to them" for the future, happens all the time. They bounce you and you agree to tell them shit every once in awhile, if you dont they just come after you.
 
Even if 50 didn't say it you still have to question wether T.I snitched and in my line of work I am almost 100% that T.I gave someone up to only get 12 months on a fed gun charge.

1. Prior convicted felon

2. Got caught purchasing high powered banned guns with silencers

He was suppose to get a mandatory 6 yrs in the bing and to only pay a fine and serve 12 months?

What he expect if he know dudes gonna take shots at him? How can he explain that?

John Gotti had way more reach than T.I and he wasn't even caught with nothing on him, a snitch brought him down.


Sorry T.I fans but your boy is 100% rat.
The man does make sense.
 
People are comparing apples and oranges. State and the feds.

Cant plead the 5th with feds, can with state. A fed conspiracy charge is damn near impossible to DISPROVE. You just talking to a muthafucka= conspriacy. :smh: :smh: :smh:

Hell martha stewarts case was weak and full of shit, and she went to jail. They held barry bonds trainer longer than the time TI got just for not testifying.

FEDS ARE NOT LIKE THE STATE. Cats on state level drug charges get probation on top of probation every day, thats how overloaded the state system is.

Feds dont play that shit. They send you to jail for fucking bullets. FEDS have a 90% conviction rate. When they bring a case they got your ass plus their MADE UP RULES are not in your favor. You are waaaaaaaaaaaaay guilty and its up to you to prove your innocence.

Muthafucka can do a crime in his state and get papers, but if he crosses state lines and it becomes federal they give him 10 years like thye handign out candy.

TI snitching may lead to a fed investigation that goes on for 24-36 months before indictments are unsealed. Maybe he hasnt even snitched yet but is "in to them" for the future, happens all the time. They bounce you and you agree to tell them shit every once in awhile, if you dont they just come after you.

Gene explain it to that simp 1 more time, I think he didn't grasp what you said.
 
Sooooo in essence,

If any of you had a multi-million dollar career, you'd give that up to adhere to a poor man's code?

50 would have done 6 months tops
 
My thing is this. You would have to be a dumb as nigga who is facing 20 years and not talk. If anyone of you who talking about being a snitch and you say you would not talk then you are a dumb ass. TI is a entertainer and not John Gotti. What purpose would it serve him to do 20 years just to protect an image.:hmm:

For those who don't know. TI got a 2nd chance. They factored in that TI was not a threat to society and that since his felony he has walked a straight path. He was not buying the guns to commit a crime. Yes his public image saved him because anyone else would have took the charge.
 
My thing is this. You would have to be a dumb as nigga who is facing 20 years and not talk. If anyone of you who talking about being a snitch and you say you would not talk then you are a dumb ass. TI is a entertainer and not John Gotti. What purpose would it serve him to do 20 years just to protect an image.:hmm:

For those who don't know. TI got a 2nd chance. They factored in that TI was not a threat to society and that since his felony he has walked a straight path. He was not buying the guns to commit a crime. Yes his public image saved him because anyone else would have took the charge.

Where is Mike Vick? Do you think the Feds give a fuck? they look to make examples of famous people.
 
Didn't dudes up here say the same shit about TI :confused: So what did 50 say that was so different?
 
Fuck all that keepin it real shit. Wny should that n!gga T.I. keep his mouth shut. What yall gonna say when he locked up? he took it like real G? That n!gga 50 is a clown ass n!gga and an attention whore. He can't sell anything if he doesn't have any controversy or beef poppin. The only thing I respect is his business savvy, but other than that he is just another fool ass n!gga and a bitch ass hater.
 
Where is Mike Vick? Do you think the Feds give a fuck? they look to make examples of famous people.
Difference is that the Judge liked TI a lot. The judge felt T.I was not a threat and actually looked out for him. The judge was a fan of T.I. How do you think he got bail when the goverment was against it and the Judge over ruled it.

Vick was dumb in his case. Mike Vick was a targeted man. Crackas really did not like him.

My question to you is why are you so concerned if he snitch or not. If you were in his shoes would you have snitched or took the 20 years?
 
You can disagree with me all day long that dont change the facts, BeatDown, I see your point and I partially agree so dont take my previous or following statements as Im going at you, but at the same time my point was to point out that one dude with a questionable criminla history cant question another persons criminal history and actually have any kind of validity.

I dont know what your profession is, but if they was doing an investigation on him for a year prior or however long and as you say they only move when they got you dead on, why the fuck would they allow him to make a deal? If you caught me red handed and you got a open and shut case with all the evidence you need, aint no making a deal!

Yeah Im in Detroit and the gun laws here are very plain and simple, you get caught with a gun and dont have a license to carry you going to prison for 2 years if its your first time or 5 years if you a felon. My case started out as a state case and the Feds picked it up for the shotgun being sawed off. According to the A.T.F. agent that my lawyer spoke with, they dropped it back down to state because I had no violent criminal record and no prior gun convictions. The state took the same facts into account when recommending my sentencing which is why I only got 6 months in jail.

My point is, my views on him getting off is based on the actions taken with my own case, I know laws in different states aint the same but the Feds are nation wide. T.I. didnt have any violent convictions or weapons convictions and people made a big deal from him being a convicted felon but his charge was selling crack and a bunch of probation violations. He was shit for the Feds and once they got his ass and saw that he wasnt nothing but a street image they let his ass off like any other young dumb fool that cant benefit them. The guns he was buying was from a gun shop where the dealer chose to sell under the table, it aint no big gun trafficking situation here. That whole case was based on his image he portrayed and media hype.
 
Difference is that the Judge liked TI a lot. The judge felt T.I was not a threat and actually looked out for him. The judge was a fan of T.I. How do you think he got bail when the goverment was against it and the Judge over ruled it.

Vick was dumb in his case. Mike Vick was a targeted man. Crackas really did not like him.

My question to you is why are you so concerned if he snitch or not. If you were in his shoes would you have snitched or took the 20 years?

If the Judge publicily stated that he should have been removed from that case. They are suppose to show no favoritism or bias
 
You can disagree with me all day long that dont change the facts, BeatDown, I see your point and I partially agree so dont take my previous or following statements as Im going at you, but at the same time my point was to point out that one dude with a questionable criminla history cant question another persons criminal history and actually have any kind of validity.

I dont know what your profession is, but if they was doing an investigation on him for a year prior or however long and as you say they only move when they got you dead on, why the fuck would they allow him to make a deal? If you caught me red handed and you got a open and shut case with all the evidence you need, aint no making a deal!

Yeah Im in Detroit and the gun laws here are very plain and simple, you get caught with a gun and dont have a license to carry you going to prison for 2 years if its your first time or 5 years if you a felon. My case started out as a state case and the Feds picked it up for the shotgun being sawed off. According to the A.T.F. agent that my lawyer spoke with, they dropped it back down to state because I had no violent criminal record and no prior gun convictions. The state took the same facts into account when recommending my sentencing which is why I only got 6 months in jail.

My point is, my views on him getting off is based on the actions taken with my own case, I know laws in different states aint the same but the Feds are nation wide. T.I. didnt have any violent convictions or weapons convictions and people made a big deal from him being a convicted felon but his charge was selling crack and a bunch of probation violations. He was shit for the Feds and once they got his ass and saw that he wasnt nothing but a street image they let his ass off like any other young dumb fool that cant benefit them. The guns he was buying was from a gun shop where the dealer chose to sell under the table, it aint no big gun trafficking situation here. That whole case was based on his image he portrayed and media hype.

No offense taken. All of saying is when the Feds investigate one person for a while they usually come across something or someone unexpected that they shift their focus too.

T.I could have been that unexpected break, yeah he may not be connected to whom they really are going after but they will def put the squeeze on him to see what and whom he knows.
 
No offense taken. All of saying is when the Feds investigate one person for a while they usually come across something or someone unexpected that they shift their focus too.

T.I could have been that unexpected break, yeah he may not be connected to whom they really are going after but they will def put the squeeze on him to see what and whom he knows.

And that there I can agree completely with, but looking at the severity of the case and the nothing of a sentence i think they found that he was of no good use and said fuck it get him outta here, but of course they couldnt let him go scott free so they give a bullshit sentence just to uphold they reputation and conviction rate. I mean just think for a second, if they have a 90% conviction rate, how many people do you think they come across that have no info for them but they still give them some bullshit time just for the hell of it. Thats the whole purpose behind the conspiracy shit, thats they way of convicting people they know aint got shit to do with nothing or people they dont have evidence against and they can still be within legal boundaries.

Thats why part of his deal says that his 12 month sentence can be extended or reduced depending on how he completes his community service.

I believe if he had info for them that he should have said something to get his ass out and take care them 5 babies his ass got, but I just dont see a reason for him to have snitched! But once most of these dudes get past the fact that they dont like these rappers that they hate on, they might be able to see the actual facts that are public record. But like I said I see your point.
 
Gene explain it to that simp 1 more time, I think he didn't grasp what you said.



BEAT DOWN, WHY ARE YOU ARGUING WITH THESE GUYS ?? I KNOW YOU KNOW THE LAW, YOU ARE A COP IN MY CITY (SO IS MY SISTER, AND UNCLE) FURTHER MORE PEOPLE WHO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION KNOW WHATS REALLY GOOD...

AND IF ANYBODYS FROM ATLANTA, OR LIVES IN ATLANTA THATS IN THIS THREAD, YOU ALREADY KNOW WHATS THE WORD DOWN THERE ON T.I. SINCE THAT CASE....

AND ANOTHER THING, T.I.'S BODY GUARD WAS AN UNDERCOVER ATF AGENT...


IM OUT LIKE I CAME


PEACE
 
BEAT DOWN, WHY ARE YOU ARGUING WITH THESE GUYS ?? I KNOW YOU KNOW THE LAW, YOU ARE A COP IN MY CITY (SO IS MY SISTER, AND UNCLE) FURTHER MORE PEOPLE WHO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION KNOW WHATS REALLY GOOD...

AND IF ANYBODYS FROM ATLANTA, OR LIVES IN ATLANTA THATS IN THIS THREAD, YOU ALREADY KNOW WHATS THE WORD DOWN THERE ON T.I. SINCE THAT CASE....

AND ANOTHER THING, T.I.'S BODY GUARD WAS AN UNDERCOVER ATF AGENT...


IM OUT LIKE I CAME


PEACE

Yeah haven't heard nothing of T.I's bodyguard since T.I got knocked.
 
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