NBA OWNERS are pissed: CBA is rumor to include franchise tag system
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Cli, I used to think the same way but fuck that. Don't sign Jerome James to a 4 year deal. No one is forcing you. One owner will fuck it up for the league by offering J.J. a deal 4 times the amount anyone else is offering and he'll sign where the money is. Caveat emptor. For real.
OKC will resign Westbrook (hopefully for their sake to a non-max deal since he isn't a max player). Harden, Mullins, and Ibaka, they have the team option on so they'll be extended at the rookie rate. Maynor will be resigned at a low rate. Jeff Green may be a goner. He's been a disappointment for a player drafted 5th overall. Their salary will definitely rise and they are one of these teams that year after year makes moves to manage talent, expectations, and salary cap.
One thing they could do is package those expiring contracts and get a real big man. If they traded for Camby last year, they woulda never gave up that offensive rebound to the Lakers.
Perhaps the answer could be the NBA acknowledging reality and instituting a competitive salary cap, promoting parity by developing an objective system for measuring each market every year or five years and having a two-tier (or even three-tier) salary cap.
New York, the LA teams, Dallas, Houston, Chicago, Boston, Miami, Orlando... Teams such as these would not be given as much space to sign players as Memphis, Oklahoma City or Cleveland.
If money is no longer a strong enough incentive, mo' money may be the answer. I suspect the more attractive cities would manage to persevere. A two-tier cap will keep the NBA from becoming a two-tier league; this system would elevate the Clevelands of the world from a farm team to an equally viable competitor.
This won't work. You can't have a have/have-not set of rules for the teams. It has to be uniformed. The way they tried to combat the overspending is with the luxury tax, but teams that receive the revenue from the tax aren't forced to spend it on their team. Look at the Clippers. It's the same shit in MLB.
Here is the deal that Stern has to face. You have owners who want to win. You have owners who want to make money. Putting out a competitive team does not guarantee you make money. So why should Donald Sterling? He makes 8 figures off of the Clippers every year. Until Stern can handle this situation of non-competitive owners, the league will always have issues.
Jeff Green will be fine. However he needs to leave. He plays the same position as Durant and he plays out of position. Green will flourish someplace else.
The players need to negotiate the ability to own part of the organization aka profit sharing/stock options... even if that interest is put in a trust until they retire ...
THAT would be powerful
Today's high salary is simply a donation to the IRS and their management teams IMO they are netting like 30%
THAT would be powerful
Today's high salary is simply a donation to the IRS and their management teams IMO they are netting like 30%
Does anyone know what concessions the player's union wants?
I know Stern wants to bump up the age limit by 1 year. Also the revenue split is up for discussion on the league's and owners' end.
I know the owners want lower salaries and better Larry Bird rights to retain their own free agents.
But I haven't heard what positions Billy Hunter are taking in the soon-to-be negotiations. They just want things to remain status quo?
I know Stern wants to bump up the age limit by 1 year. Also the revenue split is up for discussion on the league's and owners' end.
I know the owners want lower salaries and better Larry Bird rights to retain their own free agents.
But I haven't heard what positions Billy Hunter are taking in the soon-to-be negotiations. They just want things to remain status quo?
THIS. The owners were not expecting these players to leave 10s of millions each on the table in contract money.. they feel that have lost control. I posted an article from a well known venture capitalist shortly after Lebron announced the move and he said the move would shake the NBA up because it was about players controlling their destiny...
From whats been reported so far... The players dont have a problem with the current system.
To be honest with you, every possible lockout is about the same thing. Owners wanting to pay players less money and/or beefing about how to divide up the league money.
Correct me if Im wrong, but didnt Lebron actually get more money by going to Miami because of the lack of taxes in Florida? Not to mention all the endorsement money he wont have to pay state income tax on either... he really didnt leave money on the table.
real talk... the players are going to get fucked in the new CBA. They dont save their money... you'd be surprised how many players live virtually paycheck to paycheck.
real talk... the players are going to get fucked in the new CBA. They dont save their money... you'd be surprised how many players live virtually paycheck to paycheck.
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Correct me if Im wrong, but didnt Lebron actually get more money by going to Miami because of the lack of taxes in Florida? Not to mention all the endorsement money he wont have to pay state income tax on either... he really didnt leave money on the table.
real talk... the players are going to get fucked in the new CBA. They dont save their money... you'd be surprised how many players live virtually paycheck to paycheck.
yep and this is why I can see the owners coming out on top again.
As someone said the owners don't care about winning but making money.
Hell I live in Houston and I bet if the Rockets could they would keep Yao forever because they know all houston games are broadcast in china.
How many Houston rockets were paid to wear Chinese shoes???
Hell my team. The only reason the Nets played in China for the last two years they had a sorry ass Yi on their team.
Hell that right there caused a rift and pissed Brook and Terrence off.
Terrence makes one mistakes he goes to the bench. Yi gets his shot block at the rim and shoot air balls but he still in the game.
Kiki was actually drawing up plays in the fourth quarter for the offense to be run through Yi???
Thank you for the Russian coming to buy this team.
You nailed it.
The fact that these players are willing to take a paycut to win should tell them something.
Owners getting too comfortable with their superstars and saying fuck it because they are bringing in revenue...
But Yao wouldn't leave either.
I don't see him going the route everyone else is right now.
And he likes Houston.
another thing is owners want to charge players with tampering.
Come on that is one of the biggest advantages you have.
If a key free agent is available you don't think I'm not going to use my biggest star to try and convince them?
Players will trust their peers before they trust an owner.
Look at what Dan Gilbert did no one will want to go there.
Hell Von Wafer took less money as did Barnes do go to a contender.
Come on that is one of the biggest advantages you have.
If a key free agent is available you don't think I'm not going to use my biggest star to try and convince them?
Players will trust their peers before they trust an owner.
Look at what Dan Gilbert did no one will want to go there.
Hell Von Wafer took less money as did Barnes do go to a contender.
exactly
Green is a 3 but he has to play 4 in OKC, they need to trade him for a real bigman and the Thunder will be ready
I have always thought that franchise tag shit was bullshit though
Yep! They're acting like the players are their property. It's ridiculous.
real talk... the players are going to get fucked in the new CBA. They dont save their money... you'd be surprised how many players live virtually paycheck to paycheck.
an associate of my used to be the GM of the Red Wings... he was like.. after the first month of their last lockups, most NHL hockey players were already at the pawn shop selling their jewelry and shit
The players need to negotiate the ability to own part of the organization aka profit sharing/stock options... even if that interest is put in a trust until they retire ...
THAT would be powerful
Today's high salary is simply a donation to the IRS and their management teams IMO they are netting like 30%
how about just letting players negotiate a % of revenues instead of a fixed salary? that would incentivize them to play hard after signing a deal.
That would be profit sharing right?
I suggested stock options so that they can actually have a chance to stay above water after they retire ... revenue sharing is a good first step ... but it is indirectly already being done ... also without any control over the operations (read: investments) that may be another trap imo ...
the owners are out for revenge... den is privately saying they will only trade melo to the kings, wolves or nets...why? most talent they can rape...and b/c melo is making clear if he doesn't have ppl to play with he won't resign
...i was saying earlier how the nuggets r gonna send melo to the worst spot out of spite...everyone knows he wants ny but if someone takes him they gonna have to accept being raped by den...altho a denver sports person did say if the knicks agree to take jr smith the nuggets will trade them melo, so it seems jr smith gets melo...but he won't sign an extension with that team if they suck...
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_teams/denver/2010/08/#
... the owners r now on some fuck the players shit...watch melo end up in minny...unless the nets accept a trade raping they rn't getting him altho if they say yes to jr smith they might be able too...
the knicks have pieces to get him but the knicks have so much damn depth now they can deal players and not really feel it and still win...den wants to deal melo to a bad team and make it worse for him....all this ny doesn't have what it takes to get him is bs...den just wants to fck his career up
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baske...looza-2010-will-resonate-1.2243931?print=true
this lebron thing has owners saying fuck it... we'll fuck u b4 u fuck us
shits gonna get nasty
...i was saying earlier how the nuggets r gonna send melo to the worst spot out of spite...everyone knows he wants ny but if someone takes him they gonna have to accept being raped by den...altho a denver sports person did say if the knicks agree to take jr smith the nuggets will trade them melo, so it seems jr smith gets melo...but he won't sign an extension with that team if they suck...
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_teams/denver/2010/08/#
... the owners r now on some fuck the players shit...watch melo end up in minny...unless the nets accept a trade raping they rn't getting him altho if they say yes to jr smith they might be able too...
the knicks have pieces to get him but the knicks have so much damn depth now they can deal players and not really feel it and still win...den wants to deal melo to a bad team and make it worse for him....all this ny doesn't have what it takes to get him is bs...den just wants to fck his career up
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baske...looza-2010-will-resonate-1.2243931?print=true
this lebron thing has owners saying fuck it... we'll fuck u b4 u fuck us
shits gonna get nasty
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