NAACP: Misplaced Priorities

[Archonic Monk]

Yes.

Some of us are old enough to remember the Crack Era and the data doesn't agree with his premises. It's just the Myth of the Good Old Days and our selective biases at work that ignore how bad the past really was. Hell, in the 80's, the average number of murders for major cities were in the thousands or close to it. In 2012, it is barely breaking half of what it was back then whether it was violent or property crime.

In NYC, the last time the number of murders were sub-1000 before 1998 was in 1967. In 1990, 2607 people were murdered. In 2010, 877.

Don't take my word for it. Look on the Bureau of Justice Statistics website.

http://www.bjs.gov

Or look up the crime rate for your city or state on the Disaster Center's website that tracks crime since 1965.

http://www.disastercenter.com/

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Look up Cultivation Theory* and Availability Heuristics** in regard to crime. Crime has been going down across the board since the mid to late nineties.

* = the more TV, specifically local TV news, you watch, the more you're inclined to believe crime/violence is higher than the data actually shows

** = the more quickly we are able to remember a specific instance of something occurring, the more likely we are to OVERESTIMATE its occurrence
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However, we still have more work to do.

I too am old enough to remember the Crack ERa

Nothing was said in his comment about the good old days

things have gotten better but as long as B.S exist we need to try and fix it

and right now the statement regarding the current state of plenty of our youth does ring true

There is opportunity out there for us and we need to use our heads to get it.

I am aware of the facts you dropped and thank you for linking it so that others can see words backed up with fact.

 

[samh32]

WANTS to sell dope and drop mixtapes all fucking day
WANTS to be cool by not getting his education
WANTS to do nothing but get high and fuck bitches/hoes all day long
WANTS to sit around and play madden all day

How is the above is any concern of mine?

That is someone else life and not mine! How many people you see holding a sign on the street.Saying that they are hungry and you don't pay them any of attention? They only thing that i'm concern about are the unfair laws that they practice on us.How someone spend their time and money doesn't bother not one bit!

It's a concern if it happens in your community. It effects the quality of schools in the neighborhood. It effects home prices in your neighborhood. It effects the type of service provided to your community. It effect your ability to walk down the street without the fear of being robbed. Just because it doesn't have a direct effect on you as an individual, it will effect your surroundings. It's dam near impossible to live in my neighborhood if you're doing any of the things mentioned above, and most of my neighbors worked their azz off to have it that way.

 

[wildlover85]

It's a concern if it happens in your community. It effects the quality of schools in the neighborhood. It effects home prices in your neighborhood. It effects the type of service provided to your community. It effect your ability to walk down the street without the fear of being robbed. Just because it doesn't have a direct effect on you as an individual, it will effect your surroundings. It's dam near impossible to live in my neighborhood if you're doing any of the things mentioned above, and most of my neighbors worked their azz off to have it that way.

And once again i will say:How is any that my concern?

You can change all of that by moving! If you are single or married.You don't got to subject yourself to people who have giving up on life.Or don't know what they want to do with their life.If you have invested any money in a community with people like that.That is your fault and not my concern.

 

[militantmidget]

what most people do not understand is that jail and prison isnt used to stop crime or punish criminals - it is used for social control - the minute any group begins to threaten the societal status quo then that group is put into prison - Look at who is in prison Blacks, Hispanics, Poor Whites - however, crimes are committed by many more groups such as Asians, rich Whites, Italians and Jews(Israeli and Hassidim) and many others but they are not upsetting the status quo - they are view either as model minorities or perpetuators of the status quo.
When Blacks where suppressed by Jim Crow and other oppressive laws - it dint matter if blacks committed crimes they were going to prison because in a sense their every day life was a prison -

Now there are assholes in our community that fuck shit up but there are many other young people pulled into the system because they commit a minor crime that for a white or asian would be a slap on the wrist or literally being taken home and told not to do it again - for blacks it means being put through the system and charged with a felony and basically ruining there lives.

What minor crimes would these be?

 

[da_monumental_1]

I too am old enough to remember the Crack ERa

Nothing was said in his comment about the good old days

things have gotten better but as long as B.S exist we need to try and fix it

and right now the statement regarding the current state of plenty of our youth does ring true

There is opportunity out there for us and we need to use our heads to get it.

I am aware of the facts you dropped and thank you for linking it so that others can see words backed up with fact.

His comments imply a regression. That's a primary characteristic of the Golden Age Fallacy. I have to give him credit. He's a master at allusion. Most people wouldn't see it, but I do.

Stop looking at the glass being half empty. The overwhelming majority of Black males are graduating from high school (88%) and almost a third of college age (18-24) Black men are attending college. White folks collectively have had a three lap head start in a four lap race. Despite coming out of slavery uneducated* and 100 years of government policy to retard any advancement, we have narrowed the gap in every identifiable category.

Carefully think about that scenario for a second.

You get a three lap head start, the finish line is in sight, but the other runners are a length or two behind you and gaining. What doesn't that say about you?

* = On the eve the Civil War ended, the Black literacy rate was a little over than 20%. By the end of Reconstruction, a little over a decade later, it was over 75%. You won't find one group of immigrants who have willfully arrived upon America's shores who have even come close to those numbers.

Look at my last line on my previous post. There is always room for improvement. However, we have to be realists instead of idealists. There is always going to be a small segment of any population that will engage in repeat criminality. It hovers around 5% when you put in controls by race/ethnicity.

 

[ljinsane]

And so what!

People have the right to do any thing with their life they see fit.Selling drugs is a victimless crime.Alcohol and cigarettes have killed more people then crack and heroin combine.Dui murders have them beat alone.You also need to add the people you are talking about have limited education.They also are from area where each person make less then $12,000 a year.Pure poverty!

So they spend 70 billion a year.To lock up poor and ignorant people.Now that's a waste of money!

what fucking gave you that idea?!?!

 

[da_monumental_1]

What minor crimes would these be?

Disorderly conduct. The go to charge of police officers everywhere when you haven't broken any laws and they want to be an asshole.

I used to be one of those naive fools that would reply to family and friends the quintessential "You had to have done something" meme when they were arrested. That is, until it happened to me. Due to that bullshit, da_monumental_1 too has a criminal record.

 

[Mad Genius]

WANTS to sell dope and drop mixtapes all fucking day
WANTS to be cool by not getting his education
WANTS to do nothing but get high and fuck bitches/hoes all day long
WANTS to sit around and play madden all day

this is what every teenage male wants to do. so the fuck what? you think white kids don't do this shit? are you a fucking idiot?

what kid doesn't want to fuck bitches all day?
what kid doesn't do stupid shit to get money at some point in their life?
what kid didn't skip school or complain about not wanting to go to school?
what kid doesn't like to play games of some sort?

white kids do this same shit everyday at an even higher rate than black kids. the difference is how white kids are policed and how black kids/people are policed.

but yeah...lets keep pretending that black kids are so much worse than these cacs.

 

[wildlover85]

what fucking gave you that idea?!?!

You buy crack and heroin you still live.If you use to much you will kick the bucket! Crack you don't need;it's mental and the person just want more.Heroin you must use for over a week to get an addiction.You can kick your heroin and a crack addiction in about a week.If you don't have any money you will commit a crime.If you have money you will not commit a crime.Cigarettes cause cancer for the smoker and abuse to the body of a none smoker.Crack and heroin should be treated just like cigarettes.Tax it and move the fuck on.89% of the people who are lock up on non violent offense charges.Selling drugs is non violent offense charge! We spend 80 billion a year to lock up non violent offense people.And another 100 billion to keep them lock up.A waste of money and people!

 

[Mad Genius]

You buy crack and heroin you still live.If you use to much you will kick the bucket! Crack you don't need;it's mental and the person just want more.Heroin you must use for over a week to get an addiction.You can kick your heroin and a crack addiction in about a week.If you don't have any money you will commit a crime.If you have money you will not commit a crime.Cigarettes cause cancer for the smoker and abuse to the body of a none smoker.Crack and heroin should be treated just like cigarettes.Tax it and move the fuck on.89% of the people who are lock up on non violent offense charges.Selling drugs is non violent offense charge! We spend 80 billion a year to lock up non violent offense people.And another 100 billion to keep them lock up.A waste of money and people!

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[samh32]

And once again i will say:How is any that my concern?

You can change all of that by moving! If you are single or married.You don't got to subject yourself to people who have giving up on life.Or don't know what they want to do with their life.If you have invested any money in a community with people like that.That is your fault and not my concern.

Move?... Do you think people choose to live in bad neighborhoods? You think some senior citizen on a fix income choose to stay in the neighborhood that was once a place where she could walk to a corner store? Again people doing the four things mentioned, does has an direct or indirect effect on you. You should have a concern any time some one preys on the poor an elderly.

 

[wildlover85]

Move?... Do you think people choose to live in bad neighborhoods? You think some senior citizen on a fix income choose to stay in the neighborhood that was once a place where she could walk to a corner store? Again people doing the four things mentioned, does has an direct or indirect effect on you. You should have a concern any time some one preys on the poor an elderly.

You think some senior citizen on a fix income choose to stay in the neighborhood that was once a place where she could walk to a corner store?

No,but that's luck of the draw!


Again people doing the four things mentioned, does has an direct or indirect effect on you:No it doesn't! If someone gets killed next door to me.That doesn't effect me way or another.I can pack my bags and move if i'm renting.I still have my job,my car,my money,my life etc.That person life isn't my lost.

You should have a concern any time some one preys on the poor an elderly:
Why should i? That is your opinion and not a law!

I'm break something down to you.I don't want no one to rob old people,killed nobody,rape or anything that brings harm to a person.But we live where people can get guns like kids can get candy.Right now all bets are off! People are losing jobs,homes are still being lost,the government are looking out for themselves.Hate to say this!

But if you live neighborhood where:

5 out 10 get stamps and checks

The drop out rate is more then 50%

drugs sells are in the open

beer and lottery sales are the king

teenage pregnancy is high

you see police car every 5 min


You got to move or deal with that shit! All that we need to stop the drug dealers and crime.That isn't my job! My job is to look out for me and mines.
You need to do the same!

 

[sirwoodz]

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white kids do this same shit everyday at an even higher rate than black kids. the difference is how white kids are policed and how black kids/people are policed.

but yeah...lets keep pretending that black kids are so much worse than these cacs.

why do niggas ALWAYS automatically compare themselves to WHITES...it's like clockwork...

replace WHITES with indian/arab, hispanic or korean, japanese...does your statement still make sense?

you know a ton of asian american or indian teenagers that are out here indiscriminately trying to fuck everything with a wet hole in it?

when was the last time an arab teenager ran up on you in the mall trying to sell their "album"?

you've been successfully programmed you stupid brainwashed muthafucka.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

why do niggas ALWAYS automatically compare themselves to WHITES...it's like clockwork...

replace WHITES with indian/arab, hispanic or korean, japanese...does your statement still make sense?

you know a ton of asian american or indian teenagers that are out here indiscriminately trying to fuck everything with a wet hole in it?

I don't know a ton of Asian or Indian teens being 38 but when I was a teen I never met one teenager boy that wasn't trying to fuck everything with a pussy and I knew boys of all ethnicities.
You apparently believe a lot of the stereotypes of the savage, sexually aggressive Black man.

when was the last time an arab teenager ran up on you in the mall trying to sell their "album"?
you've been successfully programmed you stupid brainwashed muthafucka.

You keep going back to this like it really bothers you and I fail to see what's wrong with it. The young man has a dream, a far fetched one but they all are, but he has it and he's making it happen on his own, no different than guys like Ludacris and old guys like Too Short and MC Hammer. Either he will succeed or fail but he's not breaking any laws but you keep equating that guy with the drug dealers.

You might want to check your own programming.

 

[Mad Genius]

this is what every teenage male wants to do. so the fuck what? you think white kids don't do this shit? are you a fucking idiot?

what kid doesn't want to fuck bitches all day?
what kid doesn't do stupid shit to get money at some point in their life?
what kid didn't skip school or complain about not wanting to go to school?
what kid doesn't like to play games of some sort?

white kids do this same shit everyday at an even higher rate than black kids. the difference is how white kids are policed and how black kids/people are policed.

but yeah...lets keep pretending that black kids are so much worse than these cacs.

why do niggas ALWAYS automatically compare themselves to WHITES...it's like clockwork...

replace WHITES with indian/arab, hispanic or korean, japanese...does your statement still make sense?

you know a ton of asian american or indian teenagers that are out here indiscriminately trying to fuck everything with a wet hole in it?

when was the last time an arab teenager ran up on you in the mall trying to sell their "album"?

you've been successfully programmed you stupid brainwashed muthafucka.

jane, you ignorant slut....

when you say that all black males want to do is "make mixtapes, fuck, etc..", that is an indictment based on comparison to other races you stupid fuck. you even back it up by saying to replace "whites" with all other races you mentioned above you stupid fuck. you are the one trying to compare blacks to whites and other races you stupid fuck. i am pointing out that kids of all colors tend to be about the same thing you stupid fuck. you are a stupid fuck. stupid fuck. fuck.

 

[samh32]

You think some senior citizen on a fix income choose to stay in the neighborhood that was once a place where she could walk to a corner store?

No,but that's luck of the draw!


Again people doing the four things mentioned, does has an direct or indirect effect on you:No it doesn't! If someone gets killed next door to me.That doesn't effect me way or another.I can pack my bags and move if i'm renting.I still have my job,my car,my money,my life etc.That person life isn't my lost.

You should have a concern any time some one preys on the poor an elderly:
Why should i? That is your opinion and not a law!

I'm break something down to you.I don't want no one to rob old people,killed nobody,rape or anything that brings harm to a person.But we live where people can get guns like kids can get candy.Right now all bets are off! People are losing jobs,homes are still being lost,the government are looking out for themselves.Hate to say this!

But if you live neighborhood where:

5 out 10 get stamps and checks

The drop out rate is more then 50%

drugs sells are in the open

beer and lottery sales are the king

teenage pregnancy is high

you see police car every 5 min


You got to move or deal with that shit! All that we need to stop the drug dealers and crime.That isn't my job! My job is to look out for me and mines.
You need to do the same!

You said....

Why are we still talking about zimmerman? The only way trayvon will get justice.Someone got to killed this cracker! If no one is going to killed this honky.We are just wasting our time!

Why do you care about this individual? Is he family, or are you just pissed a white guy killed him, and a black person didn't? See you do actually do care about people who are preyed on.You can't have it both ways.

 

[da_monumental_1]

jane, you ignorant slut....

when you say that all black males want to do is "make mixtapes, fuck, etc..", that is an indictment based on comparison to other races you stupid fuck. you even back it up by saying to replace "whites" with all other races you mentioned above you stupid fuck. you are the one trying to compare blacks to whites and other races you stupid fuck. i am pointing out that kids of all colors tend to be about the same thing you stupid fuck. you are a stupid fuck. stupid fuck. fuck.

The above reminded me of this.

 

[wildlover85]

You said....




Why do you care about this individual? Is he family, or are you just pissed a white guy killed him, and a black person didn't? See you do actually do care about people who are preyed on.You can't have it both ways.

HATE ME! That one just got to me,but just to kill a young brother for no reason.That piss me the fuck off!