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Music Debate: Timbaland - "There are no more Producers”

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Timbaland recently stated that producers don’t exist anymore, and it just seems like people are just beat makers. Metro Boomin seems to have felt some kind of way about it. How he felt we aren’t completely sure. Maybe he is just analyzing the statement. Maybe he disagrees with Timbo, and truly considers himself to be a producer. Nowadays, the beat patterns and drum selections all seem to be the same. It’s like 20 records that sound the same at all times. It seems like no producers go left anymore when others are all going right. Timbaland stated,

“We don’t have producers anymore. We have great programmers. Beats are not made how we used to make them anymore. I think they come as a package now. Beat making has changed. They don’t even know how to make their own snares.”​

Timb also said,

“I feel like Metro Boomin will change eventually.”

Well there certainly is a difference in being a beat maker and a producer. Which would you consider Metro Boomin to be? Does Timbaland have a point about there no longer being any producers?
 
When you really think about it rhythm and sound is just math and logic (hence the software name) , and I'm pretty sure composers said the same thing about producers 40 years ago.
 
Timbo forgets that most of these new cats work in teams, come from development deals and work with college trained engineers to compliment the beat making process. He should have stated that the producers that make it thru already have an A&R, contacts, attend conferences and log in thousands of hours in a professional studio, there are less mommas basement 1 device producers anymore.
 
He sounds bitter and arrogant. I heard the whole interview live. He contradicts himself. He said you sound old by not embracing the new way of doing things, then he complains about the way people lay tracks now? Cmon son.
 
Guess I'll follow this thread so I hopefully at some point this shit makes sense, I really want to understand.
yea I know I'm old. :dunno:

HNIC
 
I like how now, with these newer songs, the producer has their own little saying that plays before/after the song. I know you all have been noticing it. Back in the day they ain't do that. JD, Timbaland, Dr. Dre', DJ Quick, Swizz Beats, the Neptunes, J-Dilla and a bunch of NY producers that I can't recount right now, they never did it. Now, before you even hear any lyrics, you might hear:

"Metro Boomin want some more nigga"
"MikeWill Made it"
"Jungle Beats, Holla at me"
"Lil Jay on the Track"
"We Got London On the Track"

Yall notice that? Maybe I just be on that Blue Cookie too tough when I listen to my Shade45 lol
 
Timbaland is not impressed by today’s beatmakers.

The current generation of hip-hop producers are nothing more than programmers according to Timbo, who was on Ebro’s HOT 97 show recently talking about how technology is changing the game.

“I don’t think we have producers anymore, I think we have great programmers,” he told the host. “Beats are not made how we used to do them, I think they come as a package. The looping is for you to figure out which program to run it through to trick it out and to make something that once was something totally different.

“I take patterns, layers and blend the colors. People don’t even know how to make their own snares anymore.”

Later in the conversation he heaped praise on Drake, calling him “the King”. “He doing everything in the 90s, but flipping it in a cooler way. People need to pay attention to him,” he said.
 
MrChevyDC3 said:
I like how now, with these newer songs, the producer has their own little saying that plays before/after the song. I know you all have been noticing it. Back in the day they ain't do that. JD, Timbaland, Dr. Dre', DJ Quick, Swizz Beats, the Neptunes, J-Dilla and a bunch of NY producers that I can't recount right now, they never did it. Now, before you even hear any lyrics, you might hear:

"Metro Boomin want some more nigga"
"MikeWill Made it"
"Jungle Beats, Holla at me"
"Lil Jay on the Track"
"We Got London On the Track"

Yall notice that? Maybe I just be on that Blue Cookie too tough when I listen to my Shade45 lol
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Been fascinated by this resurgence or producer ID tags for a while.
http://www.aux.tv/2012/02/hip-hop-producer-i-d-tags-explained/
 
Timbaland can eat a bag o' dicks and wash it down with a jug of this Flint water after that shit he did.

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These new kats are corny. A swiss beat or a Timbo they didn't have to speak, You knew who it is.

That Jigga my nigga when it dropped had my face all :cool::mad: :D:yes:
 
It's just technology. Synths took out the horn players. Drum machines took out the drummers. Turntables took out the musicians. Now dj's are grumbling about mix software. It's allways grumblings about people doin things in new and easier ways. But there are still great drummers, guitarists, horn players, musicians. Cats still dj with 1200's.

Shit. There might come a time when all you gotta do is get a chip in ya head and you just "think up" some music and the computer plays it. I just think the easier tech leads to copycat artists. Nobody even understands how to be original. It's just whateva the hot "thing" is right now, people think I'ma just make something like that. THere's all kinds of prepackaged beats and samples in different styles of whatever's "hot" at the moment.

It seems like with the technological advancements there should be a lot of great music showcased but the mainstream industry promotes the copycat syndrome so...
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
not true.
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HNIC said:
Guess I'll follow this thread so I hopefully at some point this shit makes sense, I really want to understand.
yea I know I'm old. :dunno:

HNIC
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JtheKing said:
When you really think about it rhythm and sound is just math and logic (hence the software name) , and I'm pretty sure composers said the same thing about producers 40 years ago.
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KingAddies said:
Timbo forgets that most of these new cats work in teams, come from development deals and work with college trained engineers to compliment the beat making process. He should have stated that the producers that make it thru already have an A&R, contacts, attend conferences and log in thousands of hours in a professional studio, there are less mommas basement 1 device producers anymore.
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So Preemo is JUST a Beatmaker, huh?
 
I am a great programmer though. But that's coding.

I just like making beats and I do a lot of math and logic with it. So get what he is saying, but everything changes over time.
 
DjMorpheus said:
It's just technology. Synths took out the horn players. Drum machines took out the drummers. Turntables took out the musicians. Now dj's are grumbling about mix software. It's allways grumblings about people doin things in new and easier ways. But there are still great drummers, guitarists, horn players, musicians. Cats still dj with 1200's.

Shit. There might come a time when all you gotta do is get a chip in ya head and you just "think up" some music and the computer plays it. I just think the easier tech leads to copycat artists. Nobody even understands how to be original. It's just whateva the hot "thing" is right now, people think I'ma just make something like that. THere's all kinds of prepackaged beats and samples in different styles of whatever's "hot" at the moment.

It seems like with the technological advancements there should be a lot of great music showcased but the mainstream industry promotes the copycat syndrome so...
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Thank you Sir :yes:

HNIC
 
Agreed. Havoc and RZA had custom snares and sounds. Organized Noise. The Roots. Very distinguishable. I remember a Roots interview when a member said he Eq'd a drum for hours.

But then again, there's not many artists working with one producer. It's more microwave music.

However, we must not generalize. Wouldn't say totally. Just a lot of cats. The majority.
 

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