Music Debate: Lil' Cease Says Biggie Thought JAY-Z Was a Better Rapper Than He Was

Cant do it
Nails on a chalkboard

What!?!

Wow

He is so damn harlem and ny to me

Its like listening to lord finesse or AZ or AG or OC or sadat x or q tip or mac 10 or TI or jeezy or e 40 or big mike of khujo

Just DISTINCTIVE to they hood

and this is coming from someone who couldn't stand kendricks voice for years

Wow i don't know if i was so focused on big L LYRICS CLARITY PUNCHLINES and DELIVERY

The actual VOICE was secondary?
 
What!?!

Wow

He is so damn harlem and ny to me

Its like listening to lord finesse or AZ or AG or OC or sadat x or q tip or mac 10 or TI or jeezy or e 40 or big mike of khujo

Just DISTINCTIVE to they hood

and this is coming from someone who couldn't stand kendricks voice for years

Wow i don't know if i was so focused on big L LYRICS CLARITY PUNCHLINES and DELIVERY

The actual VOICE was secondary?
Remember I'm from south Florida
I dont know the difference between Harlem or Brooklyn or whatever different city sound is
:lol:
 
Remember I'm from south Florida
I dont know the difference between Harlem or Brooklyn or whatever different city sound is
:lol:

:lol:

But you saw the other names

they all got a distinct twang that some could find off putting

But to me?

It added to them like an instrument

Of course it aint always work

But Big L voice is VERY distinctive to the time and place in hip hop he inhabited.

And i understand westside can be tough too

Again i tend to like all that when done right.

But it is an acquired taste.

But straightforward like you, benny, game, guru, fat joe, etc will never get old.
 
I'm just speaking on voice
No doubt he had bars
Fair enough.

Back in 97 or so, Rosenberg was our college DJ spinning at University of Maryland for campus radio and had hosted a hip hop night one Saturday night. He was cool with some old friends of mines and got us back stage.

The whole Terror Squad had showed up as well as Lauryn Hill. So we’re in the back and a cypher breaks out. Fat Joe leading the way, along with Cuban Link, Lauryn, and everyone spittin flames. In the back, with a oversized hoodie on, was a dude that nobody was paying attention to. Small, quiet, unheard, and slightly soft spoken, Fat Joe pulls him in... he takes his hoodie off and it was Big L. Now nobody at the time realized who he was or folks would’ve flipped tf out and this was before the cell phone era, but when he got in there, he shut it down COMPLETELY. Fat Joe kept biggin him up like “my man is next watch!”

Sadly we know how that story ended, (RIP) but I digress.

My point is, for most of us, that was the beauty of growing up in that time frame. Your aesthetics (visually and sonically) didn’t matter much, (if at all) like it does today. It was ALWAYS skills first, marketability second.

If you could spit, you could spit.

Niggas like Big L, Slick Rick, Phife Dawg, B-Real, Big Pun etc all had distinct “character flaws” that would be difficult to market today, but it ain’t matter cause they was all flames with the pen.

Cyphers were truly the essence of rapping cause you couldn’t hide behind anything. Either you had it or you didn’t, and the streets would always let you know.

I miss that realness.
 
Fair enough.

Back in 97 or so, Rosenberg was our college DJ spinning at University of Maryland for campus radio and had hosted a hip hop night one Saturday night. He was cool with some old friends of mines and got us back stage.

The whole Terror Squad had showed up as well as Lauryn Hill. So we’re in the back and a cypher breaks out. Fat Joe leading the way, along with Cuban Link, Lauryn, and everyone spittin flames. In the back, with a oversized hoodie on, was a dude that nobody was paying attention to. Small, quiet, unheard, and slightly soft spoken, Fat Joe pulls him in... he takes his hoodie off and it was Big L. Now nobody at the time realized who he was or folks would’ve flipped tf out and this was before the cell phone era, but when he got in there, he shut it down COMPLETELY. Fat Joe kept biggin him up like “my man is next watch!”

Sadly we know how that story ended, (RIP) but I digress.

My point is, for most of us, that was the beauty of growing up in that time frame. Your aesthetics (visually and sonically) didn’t matter much, (if at all) like it does today. It was ALWAYS skills first, marketability second.

If you could spit, you could spit.

Niggas like Big L, Slick Rick, Phife Dawg, B-Real, Big Pun etc all had distinct “character flaws” that would be difficult to market today, but it ain’t matter cause they was all flames with the pen.

Cyphers were truly the essence of rapping cause you couldn’t hide behind anything. Either you had it or you didn’t, and the streets would always let you know.

I miss that realness.

That was a damn poem...

All you needed was that dear summer beat in the back
 



Look i get it.

But to say this while you promoting a clothing line NAMED NOTORIOUS

The irony is migraine inducing

Little sis your father was one of greatest wordsmiths in music modern history

Please take the seconds necessary to make sure you speak intelligently on your business yourself your career and the legacy of your father.
 

Look i get it.

But to say this while you promoting a clothing line NAMED NOTORIOUS

The irony is migraine inducing

Little sis your father was one of greatest wordsmiths in music modern history

Please take the seconds necessary to make sure you speak intelligently on your business yourself your career and the legacy of your father.
Let’s not forget how his mistress gave her and her brother a lifetime annuity check by giving her dead dad executive producer credits on her 30 mil plus album sales.

 
voice is HUGE for me.. a good reason I never got into JayZ or Kendrick Lamar, even tho their respected by most

Edit: add Westside Gunn to that list too

I can’t listen to Westside Gunn either I can’t stand that voice. Conway on the other hand I can flow with all day.

Big and Jay had a mutual respect as MC’s, I remember a story about big meeting up with Jay to play who Shot Ya for him after he just cut it. That’s the type of shit people who mutually respect each other do. In the songs the did together it not like you didn’t want to hear what Jay was saying, they both killed their parts.
 
I can’t listen to Westside Gunn either I can’t stand that voice. Conway on the other hand I can flow with all day.

Big and Jay had a mutual respect as MC’s, I remember a story about big meeting up with Jay to play who Shot Ya for him after he just cut it. That’s the type of shit people who mutually respect each other do. In the songs the did together it not like you didn’t want to hear what Jay was saying, they both killed their parts.
True...much respect to both. But i definitely feel biggie much more love because he passed......
 
Big only had a limited number of years to flourish.

Jay has had about 25 years to develop.

Now if we talking who was better when they were alive, debatably BIG.

Who had better verses on:

Young G’s

Brooklyn’s Finest

I Love The Dough
 
I can’t listen to Westside Gunn either I can’t stand that voice. Conway on the other hand I can flow with all day.

Big and Jay had a mutual respect as MC’s, I remember a story about big meeting up with Jay to play who Shot Ya for him after he just cut it. That’s the type of shit people who mutually respect each other do. In the songs the did together it not like you didn’t want to hear what Jay was saying, they both killed their parts.
it was biggs not big who met with jay and played him who shot ya
 
Only if BIG could have heard all his recycled rhymes by Jay-z after his death lol.

Yeah, Hov was shameless with that. But 20 years on he can always say he was paying homage or immortalizing him or some shit.

It’s all good. It is what it is.
 
Biggie has a better flow but Jay is a better writer. It’s like Mos Def vs Kweli. You can’t call it. And Biggie never has his chance to fully shine. I’ll listen to Big over Jay any day.
Kweli? Don’t ever use that combination of letters in a dope rapper conversation again.
 
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