Music Debate: Bomani "you find complexity (in hip hop) to be intrinsically valuable and i do not" (w/ Toure & Michael Smith)
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It’s why I love Jay Electronica. His ability to distill the vastness of the cosmos to something easily digestible is immeasurable.
Bomani is right
Complex ideas delivered thru simplicity >
That's why Hov is the goat
Complex ideas delivered thru simplicity >
That's why Hov is the goat
Drake too
Why you say that?
Folk gonna clown this but you are correct especially in his actual R&B song writing
Bo hates Drake.
But I think he would admit Drake is actually a little deeper than he gets credit for and has a whole lot of poetic tools on his verses (whoever writes those)
I also think we need to categorize Bo and Toure definitions of "super rappers"
We talking super lyrical miracles?
Cause there IS A PLACE FOR THAT.
And being able to do BOTH Is God mc status
Cube
Snoop
MOB
Scarface
Bun
Lord Finese
Aint super lyrical miracle rappers
But are masterful MCs
And Eminem to be is great because he is BOTH.
Exactly Drake got bars
but also a lot of people don't understand what Jay is saying with his entendres and subject matter
Drake is for bitches and doesn't even write a lot of his shit
Shouldn't be in any rap conversation, he's like Lizzo and Doja Cat
Because he is too smart for his own good sometimes and way too impressed with himself. Take his HBO show for example. He did some good work but spent too much time trying to be inclusive to groups that don't rock with him like that.
When Toure said "complex," I heard skill.
Skillfulness is what I appreciate.
That's why Canibus is the goat.
What are your top 5 Jay Electronica songs?
There's value but it isn't everything.
Rap is about communication the best rappers are the best communicators period
Rap is about communication the best rappers are the best communicators period
It's why pac is in the top 5
^^^^
YUP
Pac to me was never super lyrical or masterful mc
Understand the Hennessey enemies stuff about his rhyme style
And it's true
But he was a genius a poet one of kind orator
And a true master of ceremonies in that sense
But that also doesn't mean BECAUSE you super lyrical you are wack or unnecessarily complex either
Agreed
But I side with being effective making complex things digestible is how I live and interact and choose to communicate
I was just trying to be an effective communicator
Sidebar...
I think this is going to get a lot of hate but I wouldn't consider KRS super lyrical but one of the greatest pure MCs ever.
Sidebar...
I think this is going to get a lot of hate but I wouldn't consider KRS super lyrical but one of the greatest pure MCs ever.
Krs is phonics rap
Gonna make sure you understand every word
He is definitely.
The Jay Z and Nas slander unfortunately made me pretty much n8t take this convo that serious
All 3 acting like the Bay ain't got sh*t to say?
He ain't either of them
But this current generation is literally just his children
We don't care about validation that's why it don't matter
But the complete dismissal of that side of the West Coast invalidates the entire discussion
Everyone talk cash money and no limit...
It was the BAY you did that independent sh*t first and best
Where ALL THAT PIMP SH*T COME FROM???
Too Short is not a super rapper
But he is every super rapper's idol.
So E 40 slang ain't birthed ALL THIS?
Even that "fa shizzle" is really all 40 Fonzerelli
And what about Heiro???
Hobo Junction?
And I'm a EAST COAST CAT
Let me stop.