Most under and overrated players in NBA history?

[Serious Sam]

Im completely baffled by the statement.. not only was his statline off the hook... dude was one of the deadliest shooters in league history..definitely one of the most clutch players..and his basketball IQ was off the charts.... he would come up with the clutch steal exactly when it was needed...plus..Bird could catch fire and completely embarrass a team on his own..i remember that game in 85 I think where he shot almost the entire game left handed because he was bored...

Thats wat im sayin... I think that waz tha same Cat that said Jordan waz overrated These muh phuccaz must watCh too muCh damn And1 to kno wat great is anymore

 

[Serious Sam]

& Im not sayin micheal redd is tha Chit... 6ut he is not overrated.

 

[LordSinister]

McGinnis only scored 20 a game once when he was with the sixers in the playoffs and not the year they went to the finals. it was 14 a game then.

My point was Doc did have 2 other cats putting up 20. Plus the year I'm quoting Doug "chucker" Collins shot a higher percentage than the good doctor.

barnac just likes to think he's right all the time. Erving is a top player, but after the knees went, he lived on his rep. So early on he was underrated, later on overrated.

But he did choke the shit outta Larry Bird, so he stays in my top 15.

 

[gettum]

Fucc all you Laker haters!!!!!!

 

[hog fat]

Underrated: Bernard King

Overrated: Biil Fuckin Walton!

 

[34real]

Yall be naming the same dude's some of them we know they are overrated,B.Walton...we know.

Underrated:L.Spreewell...I know his attitude was shitty but when he was on he was decent.
Overrated.L.Houston(NYK)...fake ass grant hill.

 

[Blunt]

Overrated: Bill Fuckin Walton!

How so??? Shooter, rebounder and passer. Also winner. Only negatives were injuries and free throws. Name another center, other than Wilt, to average as many as 5.0 APG in a season (to go with 13 RPG and 19 PPG). Unseld did it, but he couldn't score.

 

[shaddy47]

blunt stay savin his cac friends

 

[cranrab]

My point was Doc did have 2 other cats putting up 20.

but we were talking about the 1980 NBA finals. so your claim that julius erving had 2 other teammates dropping 20 was false.

Plus the year I'm quoting Doug "chucker" Collins shot a higher percentage than the good doctor.

i've never said chucker doug collins shot a lower percentage in those playoffs (1977). nor did i claim that julius erving had a higher percentage in those playoffs (1977).

my point was that george mcginnis was smart enough to take a back seat in scoring and contribute on the glass. NOT compete for FGAs with julius erving, like a bitch made glory hound.

 

[cranrab]

also for lord sinister:

co-signing a claim that the 76ers were "loaded" prior to the acquisition of moses malone is outrageous, coming from a fakers fan.

wilt chamberlain, jerry west and elgin baylor can be considered "loaded".

kareem abdul jabbar, james worthy and earvin johnson can be considered "loaded".

even kareem abdul jabbar's bucks team with oscar robertson was more "loaded" than any of the 76ers squads we were referring to.

or maybe on BGOL a squad with julius erving, doug collins and henry bibby is "loaded".

 

[Blunt]

or maybe on BGOL a squad with julius erving, doug collins and henry bibby is "loaded".

Shoot, so Cheeks, Toney, Jones, Dawkins, Hollins and Mix weren't worth any more of a damn as players in the early '80s than McGinnis, Free, Mix. Jones and Collins were in the late '70s? How did Erving ever survive such a teammate Hell?

 

[bgque12]

but we were talking about the 1980 NBA finals. so your claim that julius erving had 2 other teammates dropping 20 was false.



i've never said chucker doug collins shot a lower percentage in those playoffs (1977). nor did i claim that julius erving had a higher percentage in those playoffs (1977).

my point was that george mcginnis was smart enough to take a back seat in scoring and contribute on the glass. NOT compete for FGAs with julius erving, like a bitch made glory hound.

Dude, give up! They will never admit that they are wrong. That's why I stopped.

 

[shaddy47]

showtime >>>

 

[cranrab]

Shoot, so Cheeks, Toney, Jones, Dawkins, Hollins and Mix weren't worth any more of a damn as players in the early '80s than McGinnis, Free, Mix. Jones and Collins were in the late '70s? How did Erving ever survive such a teammate Hell?

1969 fakers with Wilt Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor (1st overall pick), and Jerry West (2nd overall pick) in their starting lineup.

1971 bucks with Kareem Abdul Jabbar (1st overall pick), Oscar Robertson (1st overall pick), Bob Boozer (1st overall pick) and Lucius Allen (3rd overall pick).

1985 fakers with Kareem Abdul Jabbar (1st overall pick), James Worthy (1st overall pick), Earvin Johnson (1st overall pick), and Bob McAdoo (2nd overall pick).

so let's compare what Julius Erving was working with:

1977 76ers: Julius Erving with a disgruntled chucker Doug Collins (1st overall pick). ASIDE FROM THOSE 2, NO OTHER STARTER IN THE PLAYOFFS WAS EVEN DRAFTED IN THE 1ST ROUND, MUCH LESS A 1ST OVERALL PICK.

1980 76ers: Did Julius Erving have ANY teammate selected higher than 5th overall?

1982 76ers: Did Julius Erving have ANY teammate selected higher than 5th overall?

but this is BGOL, so go on ahead and stick with your "loaded" fantasies.

 

[Big Philly]

Most Overrated! Never led the league in any meaningful statistical catagory.

But he could have. He gave up his game for the sake of the team. He was the greatest small forward in NBA history. What he did do was be in the top ten in scoring, rebounding, assists, steals, shooting percentage and free throw percentage. He never missed a big shot and was the all-time dirtiest player in the game. I loved him.

 

[Big Philly]

1969 fakers with Wilt Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor (1st overall pick), and Jerry West (2nd overall pick) in their starting lineup.

1971 bucks with Kareem Abdul Jabbar (1st overall pick), Oscar Robertson (1st overall pick), Bob Boozer (1st overall pick) and Lucius Allen (3rd overall pick).

1985 fakers with Kareem Abdul Jabbar (1st overall pick), James Worthy (1st overall pick), Earvin Johnson (1st overall pick), and Bob McAdoo (2nd overall pick).

so let's compare what Julius Erving was working with:

1977 76ers: Julius Erving with a disgruntled chucker Doug Collins (1st overall pick). George McGinnis was drafted in the first round as was Harvey CatchingsASIDE FROM THOSE 2, NO OTHER STARTER IN THE PLAYOFFS WAS EVEN DRAFTED IN THE 1ST ROUND, MUCH LESS A 1ST OVERALL PICK.

1980 76ers: Did Julius Erving have ANY teammate selected higher than 5th overall?Bobby Jones was a first round pick from North Carolina

1982 76ers: Did Julius Erving have ANY teammate selected higher than 5th overall?

but this is BGOL, so go on ahead and stick with your "loaded" fantasies.

These sixers teams were great and very talented regardless of where they were drafted. They just werent better than the Lakers, Blazers or the Celtics. Doc was just not as good as people thought. He needed Moses.

 

[LordSinister]

also for lord sinister:

co-signing a claim that the 76ers were "loaded" prior to the acquisition of moses malone is outrageous, coming from a fakers fan.

wilt chamberlain, jerry west and elgin baylor can be considered "loaded".

kareem abdul jabbar, james worthy and earvin johnson can be considered "loaded".

even kareem abdul jabbar's bucks team with oscar robertson was more "loaded" than any of the 76ers squads we were referring to.

or maybe on BGOL a squad with julius erving, doug collins and henry bibby is "loaded".

No, but with George they were.

And don't make me bring up the "Bomb Squad"

 

[Big Philly]

How so??? Shooter, rebounder and passer. Also winner. Only negatives were injuries and free throws. Name another center, other than Wilt, to average as many as 5.0 APG in a season (to go with 13 RPG and 19 PPG). Unseld did it, but he couldn't score.

I've said it over and over again that when Bill Walton was healthy he was top 5 in the NBA. His bad feet and silly comentating personna have ruined his legacy. Don't get it twisted Bill Walton was great in every facet of the game and would dominate today.

 

[LordSinister]

Dude, give up! They will never admit that they are wrong. That's why I stopped.

I'm talking about the sixers from 76-83,84. During that time they beat some championship caliber squads, but didn't win until 4,4,4 got there.

The same 4,4,4 that beat the lakers and got to the finals with a sub 500 Houston squad.

 

[shaddy47]

lol @ Quaid cousins

 

[Big Philly]

I don't know how old you are but Doc had to put hand cuffs on his game in order to win a championship. Just like Earl The Pearl did in NY. Well Pear was forced but Doc did it willingly to win the one thing he hadn't accomplished in his career. Do you remember at the end of his career when he needed to score like 40 to get to I think 10,000 points and everybody was wondering if he could do it in the last game of the season? He did it without breaking a sweat! He understood what it took to win and was a very team oriented player.

I am 43 and I was at the game where he had to score 38 points to get to 30,000 points. He did it but there was no defense the Bucks wanted him to get there too. I hear what you're saying about putting hand cuffs on and Doc was a great player and an embassador of the game but he was not on the level of Bird, Magic, Jordan, Kareem or even Gervin. His ability to shoot and his footwork was so bad in the NBA that he could never make a big shot. Like every other young basketball player that grew up in Philly in the 70s and 80s I loved Doc. But as a college basketball player and a long time coach I understand that Doc was not the very elite like people thought he was.

 

[Big Philly]

under michael ray richardson, mark price, alonzo mourning & jerome
kersey


over dirk, shaq & christian laetner, & bill walton

I agree with your unders but shaq and bill walton were dominant

 

[Big Philly]

marques johnson deserves to be forgotten.

he admitted tanking games to get coaches fired. he admitted recruiting other players to do the same.

whatever talent he had is far overshadowed by his lack of character as a professional.

I never heard that but if its true I agree. I wonder though, how would Johnson get a job as an analyst with that on his resume?

 

[cranrab]

These sixers teams were great and very talented regardless of where they were drafted.

i agree wholeheartedly.

but i disagree with anyone who contends that those teams were LOADED.

which was the assertion others have made in this thread.

BTW, george mcginnis was a 2nd round draft pick. and bobby jones was drafted 5th overall, as was darryl dawkins.

julius erving never had a LOADED squad. julius erving carried those squads.

 

[cranrab]

I never heard that but if its true I agree. I wonder though, how would Johnson get a job as an analyst with that on his resume?

because this is los angeles (where he played HS basketball, where he played college basketball, and where he finished (for all intents and purposes) his NBA career), he's charismatic, and he has a good pedigree.

 

[Blunt]

julius erving never had a LOADED squad. julius erving carried those squads.

How?? With all those triple-doubles and shutdown defense?

He was a scorer, on teams loaded with great shooters, solid rebounders and all-time great defenders.

 

[jms]

My point was Doc did have 2 other cats putting up 20. Plus the year I'm quoting Doug "chucker" Collins shot a higher percentage than the good doctor.

barnac just likes to think he's right all the time. Erving is a top player, but after the knees went, he lived on his rep. So early on he was underrated, later on overrated.

But he did choke the shit outta Larry Bird, so he stays in my top 15.

Him, Barkley & Moses Malone jumped Bird also.

Look at the 4:06 mark when Bird said to Erving:"J, you and I...now!". 7 minute mark, Dr. J tees off on Bird.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2yaRk2u7sE


Chappelle's talking to Dr. J:"I thought ya were cool baby."

Underrated
Bob McAdoo

Only player to lead the ABA & NBA in scoring.

Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame (2000)
2× NBA champion (1982, 1985)
1× NBA MVP (1975)
1× All-NBA First Team (1975)
1× All-NBA Second Team (1974)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1973)
5× NBA All-Star (1974-78)
Euroleague Final Four MVP (1988)
50 Greatest Euroleague Contributors (2008)


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