"We need to see unemployment rise. Unemployment has to jump 40, 50 percent in my view. We need to see pain in the economy. We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around."
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"We need to see unemployment rise. Unemployment has to jump 40, 50 percent in my view. We need to see pain in the economy. We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around."
I understand where he’s coming from
Edit: If you have a problem with what I said, you’re a pussy with poor critical thinking skills
Edit: If you have a problem with what I said, you’re a pussy with poor critical thinking skills
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I expect bgol bosses/millionaires to cosign him.
I vehemently oppose his statements.
Power to people working harder in 1 day than that fag probably does in one year.
I vehemently oppose his statements.
Power to people working harder in 1 day than that fag probably does in one year.
He's a dickhead. Is he really saying the workers are too arrogant. LOL This slickback cracka jack got some nerve. Employers compete with the market for employees. If employees overvalue themselves they wont get a job. It's just that simple. How does the arrogance of an employee affect his position in a market economy. The employer can choose to hire him at the salary he wants or not. But the problem is another company will so why you mad at the worker. The economy is the economy it's cyclical for workers like everything else.
The only thing 50% unemployment is going to cause is 1) Basic minimum income 2) Kill the rich. So if that's what he wants that's a recipe for a revolution. It'
The only thing 50% unemployment is going to cause is 1) Basic minimum income 2) Kill the rich. So if that's what he wants that's a recipe for a revolution. It'
It's crazy. As someone who worked backbreaking work(UPS loading trucks, warehouse, etc), I know what it's like to work hard. Big fucking difference than working 'brainpower' shit that I've done. So trust, I do have empathy for workers.
But let's be real, some of these new workers pussy and are from the 'microaggression' generation. These the types bitch about not being able to use headphones at Amazon. Fucking headphones. In the 90s, I did 12hours at a warehouse and never thought about headphones. I can't even relate to some of these newage people. Fuck them. I hate weakness.
Yeah, he is talking major shit about 50 percent unemployment, but more unskilled people think they are special than ever before in human history. At the same time, we know the corporations want to squeeze the most from workers without treating them right. People like this guy, so fuck him too. I hate greed too.
I feel you there.
I just want a balance between the workers and the owners.
At one point you could support your family out of HS working "At the plant" and could take vacations and buy cars and house etc.
Now the worker has been squeezed SO MUCH that people dont want to slave for pennies.
Robert Reich (who's whatever) always points out the descrepancy between worker and CEO.
Used to be something like 50-1, now its something like 2000-1 (I forget the exact numbers).
While i am the FIRST to point out lazy bastards, I totally understand the frustrations and lack of work ethic expressed from these workers.
I am glad he said it out loud...people need to understand what the elites really think about them...it should be obvious but the media works hard to make sure that it isn't
Man said we need to see pain in the economy....pain...pain so that you will accept whatever disrespectful and deplorable treatment we give you...because if you dont accept it, pain awaits
This man saying this in the middle of a massive increase in the cost of living, real estate moving out of the reach of ordinary citizens...dude didnt say more pain...dude said pain so he doesnt consider whats going on now to be anything
Man said we need to see pain in the economy....pain...pain so that you will accept whatever disrespectful and deplorable treatment we give you...because if you dont accept it, pain awaits
This man saying this in the middle of a massive increase in the cost of living, real estate moving out of the reach of ordinary citizens...dude didnt say more pain...dude said pain so he doesnt consider whats going on now to be anything
I def get where he’s coming from..
Having said that, he can go fuck himself. There’s a desperate need for balance between labor and those who employ said labor, which for centuries on end has tilted in favor of the employer everytime. I have no qualms of employees fighting back and asking for more to do less, especially with rising inflation and stagnant wage. Companies and CEO’s can pivot and remain profitable, as Covid has shown us, but they simply wanna get back to their greed and hoarding massive amounts of labor for a subpar payout.
It needs to end and a rebalance needs to happen, and this is where I give the younger generations all the credit in the world. They’re the ones who’ve decided, “fuck your 8 hour workday for peanuts.. this shit is for the birds..” and walked off. They’ve taken history by the balls and squeezed back.
Older generations and people in my circle have a propensity to call it “lazy or entitled”, but I call it working smarter, not harder.
CEO’s don’t like that one bit.
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This epitomizes the essence of the struggle most of the slobbering masses don't even know we are in at the moment.
Wealthy, powerful white men want the relationship between employer and employee to be much like it was in the gilded age,
where employees are much like serfs, and just a hair's breadth short of being outright slaves. A good representation of this is the relationship between Bob Cratchit and his employer, Scrooge.
In this sort of social organization, the wealthy are tantamount to royalty. They might literally strike their employees if angered. A "request" from an employer is not to be denied. Left without employment, criminal pursuits are the only refuge of the poor, because under such a system, institutions such as unemployment insurance, the EEOC, and the labor law industry simply do not exist. Many a kitchen wench has been raped under such a social order. THIS is why they always attack the social safety net. They HATE social security, medicare and medicaide; essentially anything that serves as a buffer between the common man and his authoritarian overlords.
THIS is what people don't understand. THIS is why the serious study of history and current political trends is important.
My work is done here. There is a forum somewhere that needs lurkin'.
Wealthy, powerful white men want the relationship between employer and employee to be much like it was in the gilded age,
where employees are much like serfs, and just a hair's breadth short of being outright slaves. A good representation of this is the relationship between Bob Cratchit and his employer, Scrooge.
In this sort of social organization, the wealthy are tantamount to royalty. They might literally strike their employees if angered. A "request" from an employer is not to be denied. Left without employment, criminal pursuits are the only refuge of the poor, because under such a system, institutions such as unemployment insurance, the EEOC, and the labor law industry simply do not exist. Many a kitchen wench has been raped under such a social order. THIS is why they always attack the social safety net. They HATE social security, medicare and medicaide; essentially anything that serves as a buffer between the common man and his authoritarian overlords.
THIS is what people don't understand. THIS is why the serious study of history and current political trends is important.
My work is done here. There is a forum somewhere that needs lurkin'.
It's all messed up. Moved jobs overseas for cheap labor. Ship the shit produced back here so we can buy it.
Got the same side that claims to be on the side of the workers also wanting open borders which flood this country with cheap labor. Naturally, the 'who is going to pick the tomatoes' bullshit is parroted, but the fools forget their kids ain't going to do that shit. They will compete with others.
We also have education inflation in this country. College degrees required for jobs that shouldn't even require them. Producing 'educated' unskilled workers.
Lower-level workers do have it harder than the 'turn a screw' days, but people with valuable skills don't. Shit, look at all the out-of-touch cats on BGOL pushing expensive cars and living the life.
Purchasing power has been completely destroyed during the last 50 years. Shit, just look at the inflation since the plague. Tried to tell cats that $15/hr shit was just going to be a nominal value increase and not a real one.
You quoting Robert Reich? A liberal? The fuck?
Told ya one of the meanings to me in the movie the matrix was about big bizz and the employees.. the machines were the corporations, the humans were the employees. The machines use humans as batteries to keep the machines going aka big bizz. When the humans aka batteries become useless they throw them away and get new ones to keep the system going, the new batteries are your kids and future generations. To get out the matrix or be awoke from the matrix is to start your own bizz, entrepreneurship, or fig out a way to generate money without being a battery to the machines and to realize being human is to actually enjoy life. Big bizz or the machines don’t want you to be awoke or break from that system cause it keeps their system going. They look at you as only batteries being born to just work for them
Every yr after that movie came out I see big bizz openly saying this is exactly what they think. Exhibit A is what the op posted.. there’s a reason why I always say Ferris buellers day off and the matrix had way bigger meaning than what people think and why those some of my favorite movies ever
Every yr after that movie came out I see big bizz openly saying this is exactly what they think. Exhibit A is what the op posted.. there’s a reason why I always say Ferris buellers day off and the matrix had way bigger meaning than what people think and why those some of my favorite movies ever
I originally thought this NEW generation of worker / employee being labeled babies was largely overstated
Talking to actual current managers...
Nah these new kids bugging.
But as a former supervisor myself none of this is really NEW it's just much more prevalent and seen as "acceptable" behavior - such as emotional support, lowered expectations, the employee feeling appreciated and liked etc.
But even back in the the there was wild stuff lower and mid level employees wanted and expected.
Robert’s been doing the populist grift the last couple years. The little man is doing a Bonaparte Act for the last 7 years. He even has a Substack.
I agree. That will help the hypercapitalism house of cards to fall.
Young people today are working so they can go to brunch, buy their 163rd pair of "limited edition" kicks and designer clothes to impress each other on social media, and maybe go to Dubai next year (again, for social media). And they are suffering mentally. Not starting families, or buying houses, or involving themselves in their community in any real level. A disturbingly LARGE percentage of kids under 18 want to be influencers and youtubers for a living. And I don't blame them.
Maybe pain will show us whats really important.
This cac trash is the biggest idiot on here
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I think you said it well. Heres what i dont think he is saying, maybe he does since this is just a clip (No one on this site hates short clips more than me. They make the dumbest of us look dumber)
If KFC workers leave KFC, KFC falls. Thousands of KFC close, Thousands are unemployed.
KFC falling, in his view, means those thousands of people who have no skill never work again. So the people need KFC. And to a degree he is right. There is a segment of people that we all know wont get shit together and make it thru.
But I personally think when peoples back are against the lowest wall thats when they step up. Now alot of people do it in ways that are not conventional (only fans) But most people figure out a way to survive. I dont think the world drops into apocolypse like he is saying.
He really just doesnt want people coming for his money. So punishment to the employers by not having him will hopefully have them groveling back and doing what ever he says for whatever money. Yes there will be some like that. But alot will take the time (pandemic) and find a creative source of income that will chip away at his wealth. So agreed fuck him, also appreciate his honesty. We need to hear this.
I try to be objective as possible because I hate the 'back in my day' shit with a passion. What is true is that our money gets way less. Things sure as fuck ain't like what it was when people could have a GED, 'turn a screw', and support the entire family and get a nice retirement package. So I do hate when boomers make blanket statements about folks not wanting to work while not admitting the advantage boomers had that never before in all of human history happened and have since gone away.
What is also true is that we are dealing with a level of bitchassedness that as never existed in human history. While it is true my generation(gen x) is softer than the boomers and boomer softer than silent generation, these new young people seemed to have picked up the softness pace and accelerated it 4 generations at once. Being a bitch is now a rewarded trait. Words are violence. Standards have been lowered to crazy levels because people can't accept reality. Shame is damn near extinct. What type of employee does all that shit make for?
We definitely need to check greed, but at the same time we can't let bitchassedness keep expanding. But we are in the age where it is only acceptable to go at the greed. The way boomers and this guy go at these employees isn't winning people over, but there is a problem with SOME of these new folks. That much is undeniable.
Sad reality is that the vast majority of employees are easily replaceable. Successful business owners, innovators, and intelligent risk takers are not. It ain't fair, but nature ain't fair. Question is how to we make that reality as easy to live with as possible.
Aye, where them guillotines at?
This dude is a prime candidate for overhead reduction.
This dude is a prime candidate for overhead reduction.
Dudes who don't even have a penny saved for retirement or a emergency will cosign him.
And you are only kinda joking. There is only so much pain muhfuckas gonna take before they strike back.... All that smash and grab shit gonna be on steroids. This fool literally wants to see people starving so they have to bow down and work for pennies, but that ain't how it is going to go.
It’s their Achilles.
Agreed.
Dude probably getting calls from his fellow elites letting him know that "we dont say that part out in public, are you trying to spark a damn revolution?"
And another one
The whole video is worth watching but the quote comes at 5:09:
Amazing.
($912 million is a hell of a lot closer to a billion than a million so I'm calling this evil motherfucker a billionaire.)
The millionaire CEO who infamously bashed aspiring millennial homeowners for buying avocado toast is back with another hot take that's drawing outrage on the internet.
Tim Gurner, CEO of Australian real estate company Gurner Group, said at The Australian Financial Review Property Summit on Tuesday that workers need to be put in their place — potentially through unemployment.
"I think the problem that we've had is that people decided they didn't really want to work so much anymore through COVID," Gurner said. "They have been paid a lot to do not too much in the last few years, and we need to see that change."
Gurner said the key to curbing what he views as "arrogance" in the labor market is higher unemployment.
"We need to see unemployment rise," he said. "Unemployment has to jump 40, 50% in my view. We need to see pain in the economy. We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around."
In recent years, a tight labor market empowered workers to ask for more at work, like better pay and working conditions. But some leaders, like Gurner, have been fighting back. Mandating workers return to office, for example, has become a favorite way for some to regain power.
"There's been a systematic change where employees feel the employer is extremely lucky to have them, as opposed to the other way around," he added. "We've got to kill that attitude and that has to come through hurting the economy."
His remarks drew instant backlash.
"Some of the most evil people in the world are getting more arrogant," one person said on X.
"Why doesn't he do us a favour and volunteer his job as the first step to the 50%," another person wrote.
Even Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez chimed in.
"Reminder that major CEOs have skyrocketed their own pay so much that the ratio of CEO-to-worker pay is now at some of the highest levels *ever* recorded," she wrote.
Last year, S&P 500 CEOs earned an average 272 times more than their workers, according to the latest Executive Paywatch report from the AFL-CIO. Those CEOs received $16.7 million in total compensation in 2022, on average, while US workers' real hourly wages dropped for the second straight year, after adjusting for inflation, the report found.
Gurner, who has been featured in Forbes Australia, has a net worth of $912 million, according to a ranking by the Australian Financial Review.
This isn't the first time Gurner has sparked an uproar online. In 2017, he suggested buying avocado toast was the impediment to millennials becoming homeowners, seemingly ignoring problems like massive student debt burdens or stagnant wages.
"When I was trying to buy my first home, I wasn't buying smashed avocado for $19 and four coffees at $4 each," Gurner told "60 Minutes Australia" at the time. "We're at a point now where the expectations of younger people are very, very high."
Gurner's remarks quickly got the meme treatment, sparking countless posts about a hypothetical avocado toast-house trade-off.
In the words of one Twitter user at the time: "I was gonna put a down payment on a house last year but then I spent $44,000 on avocado toast."
Gurner could not be reached for comment.
www.businessinsider.com
Amazing.
($912 million is a hell of a lot closer to a billion than a million so I'm calling this evil motherfucker a billionaire.)
A millionaire CEO is rooting for higher unemployment, saying it's time to 'remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around'
The millionaire CEO who infamously bashed aspiring millennial homeowners for buying avocado toast is back with another hot take that's drawing outrage on the internet.
Tim Gurner, CEO of Australian real estate company Gurner Group, said at The Australian Financial Review Property Summit on Tuesday that workers need to be put in their place — potentially through unemployment.
"I think the problem that we've had is that people decided they didn't really want to work so much anymore through COVID," Gurner said. "They have been paid a lot to do not too much in the last few years, and we need to see that change."
Gurner said the key to curbing what he views as "arrogance" in the labor market is higher unemployment.
"We need to see unemployment rise," he said. "Unemployment has to jump 40, 50% in my view. We need to see pain in the economy. We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around."
In recent years, a tight labor market empowered workers to ask for more at work, like better pay and working conditions. But some leaders, like Gurner, have been fighting back. Mandating workers return to office, for example, has become a favorite way for some to regain power.
"There's been a systematic change where employees feel the employer is extremely lucky to have them, as opposed to the other way around," he added. "We've got to kill that attitude and that has to come through hurting the economy."
His remarks drew instant backlash.
"Some of the most evil people in the world are getting more arrogant," one person said on X.
"Why doesn't he do us a favour and volunteer his job as the first step to the 50%," another person wrote.
Even Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez chimed in.
"Reminder that major CEOs have skyrocketed their own pay so much that the ratio of CEO-to-worker pay is now at some of the highest levels *ever* recorded," she wrote.
Last year, S&P 500 CEOs earned an average 272 times more than their workers, according to the latest Executive Paywatch report from the AFL-CIO. Those CEOs received $16.7 million in total compensation in 2022, on average, while US workers' real hourly wages dropped for the second straight year, after adjusting for inflation, the report found.
Gurner, who has been featured in Forbes Australia, has a net worth of $912 million, according to a ranking by the Australian Financial Review.
This isn't the first time Gurner has sparked an uproar online. In 2017, he suggested buying avocado toast was the impediment to millennials becoming homeowners, seemingly ignoring problems like massive student debt burdens or stagnant wages.
"When I was trying to buy my first home, I wasn't buying smashed avocado for $19 and four coffees at $4 each," Gurner told "60 Minutes Australia" at the time. "We're at a point now where the expectations of younger people are very, very high."
Gurner's remarks quickly got the meme treatment, sparking countless posts about a hypothetical avocado toast-house trade-off.
In the words of one Twitter user at the time: "I was gonna put a down payment on a house last year but then I spent $44,000 on avocado toast."
Gurner could not be reached for comment.
A millionaire CEO is rooting for higher unemployment, saying it's time to 'remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around'
Tim Gurner, who in 2017 asserted people couldn't afford homes because they spent too much on avocado toast, has once again sparked online outrage.
www.businessinsider.com
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