Mike Shanahan: Dan Snyder and RG3 conspired to change our offense

I'm not that familiar with the inner working off this situation however black qbs always get the wrong end of the stick.
Vince Young has a winning record and can't get a job yet Bradford is complaining that a qb was drafted.
RG3 seems a bit aloof at times however I will rely on the BGOL insiders for my info cause the coverage on this man is twisted.
 
I'm not that familiar with the inner working off this situation however black qbs always get the wrong end of the stick.
Vince Young has a winning record and can't get a job yet Bradford is complaining that a qb was drafted.
RG3 seems a bit aloof at times however I will rely on the BGOL insiders for my info cause the coverage on this man is twisted.

Ultimately it comes down to rg3 being backed by the owner so what can a coach tell him and the coaches ruining him until they forced the owner to cut ties with him period

Rg3 might have been a few things I don't like personally however it was absolutely jealousy on players and coaches part that the owner liked him as much as he did

Period.
 
This is only news on a national level. I have repeated this version of events several times on this forum. More than one player confirmed this and Robert didn't even really deny this. He just said he didn't say these things in the manner that they described him saying it.

But if you watched RG's rookie year, he got hurt twice, and neither injury was a result of the offense they were running, and more a result of RG playing warrior ball.
 
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This is only news on a national level. I have repeated this version of events several times on this forum. More than one player confirmed this and Robert didn't even really deny this. He just said he didn't say this in manner they described him saying it.

But if you watched RG rookie year, he got hurt twice, and neither injury was a result of the offense they were running, and more a result of RG playing warrior ball.

It's not the point tho.
If they can't pass protect how they gonna run block and have him in the open field where the hits are legal.

He got fucked up by Baltimore on a run play that set the groundwork for all the shit that happened
 
Mike Shanahan: Dan Snyder and RG3 conspired to change our offense

Posted by Michael David Smith on May 18, 2016, 11:07 AM EDT

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Former Washington coach Mike Shanahan says quarterback Robert Griffin III and owner Daniel Snyder conspired on a plan to change the team’s offense after Griffin’s rookie year, with Griffin then sitting Shanahan down and informing him that he would no longer run many of the plays that Shanahan had called.

According to TheUndefeated.com, Griffin called a meeting with Shanahan, his son and offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and quarterbacks coach Matt LaFleur in February of 2013 and told them to let him speak without interruption. He then informed them that there were 19 plays in Washington’s offense that he would no longer run because he believed he needed to be treated like a pocket passer and not a running quarterback.

Shanahan said he could tell by the way Griffin was talking that he had previously gone over the issue with Snyder.

“When Robert is standing there going through all of that, I know it’s coming from Dan,” Shanahan said. “When Robert talked about ‘unacceptable,’ that was a word Dan used all the time. He was using phrases Dan used all the time. There’s only one way a guy who’s going into his second year would do something like this: If he sat down with the owner and the owner believed that this is the way he should be used. He had to have the full support of the owner and, in my opinion, the general manager to even have a conversation like that. He just had the best year for a rookie QB in the history of the game. You got selected to the Pro Bowl. We went to the playoffs.”

Griffin was concerned about his own health, coming off a season that ended with a serious knee injury in the playoffs. But Shanahan says he was concerned about Griffin’s health, too, and was baffled at Griffin’s approach.

“We tried to get him to slide,” Shanahan said. “We tried to get him to throw the ball away. If he had told me he was hurt, I would have taken him out of the [playoff] game. To hear him . . . it was really incredible.”

Shanahan says he immediately confronted Snyder, warning him that it was wrong to use him as a pawn.

“I said to Dan, ‘Do you realize what you’re doing to this kid?’” Shanahan said.

Snyder refused to comment on the report, but it’s consistent with longstanding talk around the NFL that Shanahan felt undermined in his attempts to build an offense around Griffin. Ultimately, Snyder fired Shanahan 11 months after that meeting with Griffin. Now Shanahan is out of the NFL, Griffin is in Cleveland and Jay Gruden is coaching Kirk Cousins in Washington — hopefully without interference from Snyder.
I don't believe anything from his overrated ass. This is the same fucka that sent T. Davis back into a game when that ninja couldn't even see. He also fucked over RG-Me by having him playing with a injury. Him and Fisher are some sorry overrated bitches. And the cac owners need to stop recycling their sorry asses.
 
It's not the point tho.
If they can't pass protect how they gonna run block and have him in the open field where the hits are legal.

He got fucked up by Baltimore on a run play that set the groundwork for all the shit that happened

Nah..the play in Baltimore was a pass play. He was in shotgun matter of fact and the linebacker blitzed up the middle forcing Robert to run outside. He had the option to take the yards and run out of bounds, but he chose to run back inside for more yards and got lit by Ngata when he tried to slide a little too late.

and the read option covered up some of the lines blocking defencies by freezing the defense and making RG's reads easier...hence the name "Read Option".
 
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You didn't say that. You didn't understand why asking him to slide was a bad thing
So I tried to explain it to you. If you don't get it that's perfectly fine but it has nothing to do with my personal opinion it has everything to do with what happened to him injury wise with the plays in question
You nor I nor anyone can dispute that.
All the things i've heard is that he wouldn't do what Shanahan told him to do. Now it's nobody saying Shanahan was right. It is everyone saying the shanahans did this that and the other. You're either making stuff up about Shanahan. Or you have some kind of inside information. And that goes to everyone. I'm sick of this we don't like to hear what's happening. We prefer to make up our own stories about what's going on, is what i'm saying.
 
So you're going to focus on 1 play and not the entire season of hits that setup one play to tear up his knee and the playa that caused him to tear it up again in the same season

Cool.
Drinking and driving cases accidents for sure but what does that have to do with the a car that gets mangled up because a sober person let's their attention wander. Please tell me you understand and can follow this analogy. That's not a diss I just find communication errors are a major issue on this forum and to be sure I'm guilty myself .
 
Nah..the play in Baltimore was a pass play. He was in shotgun matter of fact and the linebacker blitzed up the middle forcing Robert to run outside. He had the option to take the yards and run out of bounds, but he chose to run back inside for more yards and got lit by Ngata when he tried to slide a little too late.

and the read option covered up some of the lines blocking defencies by freezing the defense and making RG's reads easier...hence the name "Read Option".
I agree.They were making those play calls because they had to with the way the line played for Robert. Maybe he is a victim of his own athleticism but for ya'll to act like that shit wasn't wildly successful is crazy revisionists history. Blame the"0" line but on top of that he was more confident before the injury. Quicker release and better timing. It was all gravy until is wasn't.:dunno:
 
Didnt read the article... But did i mentions Shannys record before Robert got to town in two seasons?

Does it mention Shanny calling a pass play his rookie year which lined Robert up at wideout and had him going downfield as option one in a fade route that nearly got him killed?

Lastly, why does Shanny keep talking about this kid?


that play happened vs pittsburgh. and bitch ass josh morgan saw him covered and threw the ball anyway. Probably on purpose lol
 
This is only news on a national level. I have repeated this version of events several times on this forum. More than one player confirmed this and Robert didn't even really deny this. He just said he didn't say this in manner they described him saying it.

But if you watched RG rookie year, he got hurt twice, and neither injury was a result of the offense they were running, and more a result of RG playing warrior ball.
Ok. So Shanhan was telling him what to do. And he wasnt listening. Like i thought.
 
Redskin fan here.....they all made fucked up choices....


Robert refused to slide
agreed. i'm the biggest RG3 fan but that, and his inablility to make reads from the pocket, sense pressure, etc.. he demands to be a drop back passer (conmendable on his part), yet he's so bad at it. Art Briles should have been teaching him this stuff at Baylor.
 
Ok. So Shanhan was telling him what to do. And he wasnt listening. Like i thought.

Initially Robert was going along with the plan. But things changed once he got hurt and the backup Qb (white boy ) came in ran a different style of offense. Robert felt a certain way about it. From that point on he started to indicate that he should run less, and before the next season started, he flat out told the coach what he would no longer do.

IMO Robert didn't want to be a stereotypical "running black qb", he even resented being compared to other "running black Qb's".... but the problem was he wanted to expedite the process of being a more "traditional qb" even at the expense of winning games.
 
agreed. i'm the biggest RG3 fan but that, and his inablility to make reads from the pocket, sense pressure, etc.. he demands to be a drop back passer (conmendable on his part), yet he's so bad at it. Art Briles should have been teaching him this stuff at Baylor.

Agreed..What RG failed to realize, is while he is making the transition to a pocket Qb...we are sucking in the process. He should have allowed the process to happen organically.

Vets didn't have time for all that. When the line gets blamed for all the sacks and the Wr's are catching 40 balls a year, he's messing up thier money for their next contract.
 
Initially Robert was going along with the plan. But things changed once he got hurt and the backup Qb (white boy ) came in ran a different style of offense. Robert felt a certain way about it. From that point on he started to indicate that he should run less, and before the next season started, he flat out told the coach what he would no longer do.

IMO Robert didn't want to be a stereotypical "running black qb", he even resented being compared to other "running black Qb's".... but the problem was he wanted to expedite the process of being a more "traditional qb" even at the expense of winning games.

So he shouldn't have felt some kind of way about it?

Protect the white qb with a different style
Make sure you're thrown in the fire?
 
All the things i've heard is that he wouldn't do what Shanahan told him to do. Now it's nobody saying Shanahan was right. It is everyone saying the shanahans did this that and the other. You're either making stuff up about Shanahan. Or you have some kind of inside information. And that goes to everyone. I'm sick of this we don't like to hear what's happening. We prefer to make up our own stories about what's going on, is what i'm saying.

I'm saying that he had a problem with not being protected by his coach so he got to a point he had to say something.

Shanahan didn't like it and here we are. He's more upset about a black guy telling him what to do more than anything
Cause he sucked before rg3
Rg3 was hurt because of the style of play
His white guy qb was shitty too so he couldn't save his job
He hasn't said a thing about cousins stinking up the joint as well did he? Cousins didn't lead him to the playoffs either
 
So he shouldn't have felt some kind of way about it?

Protect the white qb with a different style
Make sure you're thrown in the fire?


Possibly. The other possibility is Kirks best option to win was diffrent than RG'S. the other thing is the Browns may have been susceptible too bootlegs and so they ran hella bootlegs that day because thats what the Defense gave them. All i know, is if you watched Robert try to be a pocket Qb week after week like I did, you would realize he was taking more hits in the pocket than running the read option. The Defense was teeing off on him once they realized he wasn't a run threat.
 
Yall have to realize the read option freezes the defense momentarily which slows down the pass rush. In Roberts rookie year he was the least blitzed QB in the league. He actually didn't have that many designed runs, most of his runs came from broken plays and he was given the option to run if his 2nd read wasn't open. So essentially the run was his check down.

When he stopped running that offense and tried to be Aaron Rodgers, he would get lit up for holding on to the ball too long. Plus another thing is Robert was never comfortable in the pocket. When the rush was coming from the outside, he wouldn't step up in the pocket, he would keep back pedaling basically in the same direction the rush was coming from. You can't blame that on the line, that's all on the Qb.
 
I'm saying that he had a problem with not being protected by his coach so he got to a point he had to say something.

Shanahan didn't like it and here we are. He's more upset about a black guy telling him what to do more than anything
Cause he sucked before rg3
Rg3 was hurt because of the style of play
His white guy qb was shitty too so he couldn't save his job
He hasn't said a thing about cousins stinking up the joint as well did he? Cousins didn't lead him to the playoffs either

Lots of other people tell you you're wrong. The white man isn't always to blame. Sometimes its just bein a hardheaded fuck.
 
I have no idea what went on but I know it's never a good idea to publicly throw the owner under a bus.
 
Redskin fan here.....they all made fucked up choices....


Robert refused to slide

Yup...plenty of blame to go around. I dont blame Shanahan for designing that offense. I blame him for running Robert into the ground after it was clear he was hurt. Shanahan was on some passive aggressive ish..."Well Robert said he was ok"...IMO he was desperate to win a playoff game at the expense of Roberts health.

Then he did it again, when Robert had that "all in for week 1" campaign going. Shanahan should have been a man and told him to sit down and he'll play when he says he's ready to play.
 
This is old, he said this shit months ago...RG3 trying to restart his career with a Black HC & OC in Cleveland and a hit piece like this drops, this is a non-story. :smh:

Thats another thing that is annoying me about this whole thing. The original story is by this chump Jason Reid who couldn't keep RG name out his mouth when he was on the radio in D.C...Ried's show eventually got dropped...RG left town via free agency......and Reid still got Roberts nuts in his mouth. I even noticed Reid's hoe ass was at the Cleveland press conference asking the majority of the questions.....:smh:
 
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This is old, he said this shit months ago...RG3 trying to restart his career with a Black HC & OC in Cleveland and a hit piece like this drops, this is a non-story. :smh:


I agree,this is old news but why is Shanahan continues to put all the blame on RG3,when he was the coach of the football team.

He could of told RG3, no when RG3 was saying he was ready for week 1 the next season

He could of fixed the offensive line to help his franchise quarterback

He could of did alot of things,but he continues to open his mouth about RG3.Nobody isn't saying RG3 isn't without blame,but a coach continuing to talk about a former player is beyond ridiculous.

Can you imagine,if RG3 did the same exact thing,folks would be saying he need to move on and all this other stuff and yet nobody isn't telling Shanahan to do the same thing.

RG3 moved on,why can't Shanahan do the same thing.
 
We shall see what the problem is now. If he fucks up in Cleveland, I hope people don't blame Hue.

If he fucks up in cleveland it's on him.
Hue made Andy Dalton look way better than anything the other gruden had done with him
He made Jason Campbell a playoff caliber qb before he got injured.
I have no doubt hue will put him in the best position to succeed and I'm rooting for it.
 
If he fucks up in cleveland it's on him.
Hue made Andy Dalton look way better than anything the other gruden had done with him
He made Jason Campbell a playoff caliber qb before he got injured.
I have no doubt hue will put him in the best position to succeed and I'm rooting for it.

We shall see. Regardless of what happened, you cant take away the basics. Griffin has to work his ass off at becoming a drop back passer. You got coaches noticing shortcoming/flaws in your game at practice, then work to fix it. That Baylor offense set him up to fail IMO.
 
It was hinted that's what he did

That's bold as hell going to the coach like that.

You're a pocket QB :hmm:

This is only news on a national level. I have repeated this version of events several times on this forum. More than one player confirmed this and Robert didn't even really deny this. He just said he didn't say this in manner they described him saying it.

But if you watched RG rookie year, he got hurt twice, and neither injury was a result of the offense they were running, and more a result of RG playing warrior ball.

That muthafucka doesn't even know how to slide :smh:
 
We shall see what the problem is now. If he fucks up in Cleveland, I hope people don't blame Hue.

No excuse for RG3 to fail,especially when the coach,GM have his back

It was hinted that's what he did

That's bold as hell going to the coach like that.

You're a pocket QB :hmm:



That muthafucka doesn't even know how to slide :smh:


While,I agree,he should of learn how to slide..it was Shanahan's job to do put emphasis on it.To be fair, Shanahan did bring someone to help him,but it wasn't a priority from what I understand.
 
Lol RG3 is not Hue guy. Don't be surprised if he put ms the kid from USC in after the halfway mark of the season. Hue got who he wanted and that was Cody
 
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We shall see what the problem is now. If he fucks up in Cleveland, I hope people don't blame Hue.

If Robert is gonna be successful in Cleveland, Hue will need to implement some sort of read option offense. The defense has to at least be concerned with the threat that he will take off and run. If Robert is successful being a pocket Qb in the same manner of Dalton and J.Campbell I will be shocked. I think he has the tools to get there one day, but I'd be amazed if he was there this soon.
 
If Robert is gonna be successful in Cleveland, Hue will need to implement some sort of read option offense. The defense has to at least be concerned with the threat that he will take off and run. If Robert is successful being a pocket Qb in the same manner of Dalton and J.Campbell I will be shocked. I think he has the tools to get there one day, but I'd be amazed if he was there this soon.

he does'nt wanna run that offense anymore, so its gonna be a struggle in that division. Remember how many hits he took when the skins played the bengals his rookie year. He does'nt wanna use his natural skills, and improve on the ones he's lacking in.
 
If Robert is gonna be successful in Cleveland, Hue will need to implement some sort of read option offense. The defense has to at least be concerned with the threat that he will take off and run. If Robert is successful being a pocket Qb in the same manner of Dalton and J.Campbell I will be shocked. I think he has the tools to get there one day, but I'd be amazed if he was there this soon.

I agree with your assessment. The problem is Rg3 seems to think he is a pocket-passer. Rg3 going to be behind McCown unless he gets the pocket skills he thinks he has.
 
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