Mcdonalds Incident.... Self defense???

funny the mother didn't speak on her fun loving daughter bringing the ass whipping on herself....

They kill me with my my child is so nice, blah, blah, blah. I bet her ass is thinking now of how stupid she was.

I hope he sues that family. Dumb asses


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I didn't see it posted on the board or in this thread. Update to the story.

Woman beat with pipe by McDonald's cashier faces permanent brain damage, mother claims

BY Edgar Sandoval
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Monday, October 17th 2011, 4:51 PM

A young woman bludgeoned by an ex-con McDonald's cashier during an argument could have permanent brain damage, her angry mother said Monday.

Denise Darbeau, 24, has been hospitalized since Thursday's violent clash in Greenwich Village, and her prognosis is unclear.

"She has memory loss. She's been heavily sedated. The doctors say it's too early to tell," said Darbeau's mother, who declined to give her name.

Mickey D's employee Rayon McIntosh, 31, used a metal bat to beat Darbeau and pal Rachel Edwards after they jumped behind the counter during a dispute over a $50 bill.

McIntosh is on parole after serving 10 years for manslaughter for shooting and killing a 17-year-old classmate in 2000.

Darbeau's mother said her daughter was unarmed and didn't deserve the beating, some of which occurred while she was helpless on the floor.

"Our concern is the background checks they do at McDonald's," the mother said of McIntosh's employment.

"I believe in second chances. But maybe they should not put people with violent backgrounds dealing with customers."

McDonald's could not be reached for immediate comment on its policies.

McIntosh is being held on an assault charge. Darbeau and Edwards were charged with menacing, criminal trespass and disorderly conduct.

"My daughter is just your average 24-year-old," her mother said. "She's fun-loving and full of life. We just want our daughter back the way she was.

"We don't know if she will recover. We are just praying for her."

esandoval@nydailynews.com

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...r_faces_permanent_brain_damage_mother_cl.html


maybe they shouldn't allow people with short tempers and no common sense who try to pick fights and instigate random altercations the right to purchase things at mcdonalds.
and its funny she brings up his violent background but her daughters violence was in the forefront on full display with the way she acted

no 24 year olds i know pick fights at mcdonalds and fight cashiers because they want to check their money.
and was that considered fun for her? instigating arguments talking shit assaulting someone and then trying to assault them more?
she fucked with the wrong one
he defended himself, but didn't stop and ended up really hurting her over some stupid shit she could've avoided.
no sympathy
 
You really are overcompensating.however we only see his actions not theirs as we are not in a position to do so.
am not saying they had a gun or a knife,but he or we didint know that,we cannot see whats under the counter,thats a fact.and one can never be too unassuming or careful.we dont know if she grabbed something,we dont know if she bit him..NOT SAYING SHE DID,AM ONLY SAYING WE DONT SEE HER ACTIONS WE ONLY SEE HIS.

when a fight/incident like this is going on,you're not there being over analytical like you/we are doing here,you subdue the person,atleast to your judgement.

Now you can speculate with 30secs,40s etc..fact remain until the participants speak on the issue in court etc..i give the defendant the benefit of the doubt in making sure he FEEL safe and the aggressors are subdued,since he is the one who were attacked,not you or me.
you cant tell a person how,if or when they should feel threatened and for how long,who feels it knows it.

You obviously have a lot to learn about human behavior.

He might try to take this to a jury instead of working a deal. You can ignore the facts. You can ignore everything you like. I'm not talking about what i'd do. I'm not talking about what you'd do. None of that "he felt threatened" is going to work. He had to keep beating them because he felt threatened is going to work. I've never seen it work. Maybe this will be a first. If that's the defense they go with.

He felt threatened while they were laying on the floor. It could. But i highly doubt it. All that human nature stuff doesn't fly either. Maybe i've just been around tough judges?
 
Why is this thread still growing???? Incredible. :smh:


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I guess it's because people refuse to let the roster of the "legacy infinity" have the last word. Why??? I'll never know :dunno:

Even tho this is the same chick (correct me if I'm wrong) who blames a dude, for his ex wife forging his signature for purposes of obtaining his sperm from a sperm bank, in order to impregnate herself! All while trapping him in a child support case for children he never knew existed, until his ex wife's sister made him aware of the situation.

If a person can feel that way about something like that, then there's nothing further that this person can say, that will make me pay them anymore attention.
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Anyway, for the last 2 or 3 days this thread has been a little entertaining, to say the least.

Whether this dude is convicted for defending himself, or not, doesn't matter to me. All that matters is that these 2 attackers got what they deserved....A True Case of the Molly-Whops :yes:
 
I didn't see it posted on the board or in this thread. Update to the story.

Woman beat with pipe by McDonald's cashier faces permanent brain damage, mother claims

BY Edgar Sandoval
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Monday, October 17th 2011, 4:51 PM

A young woman bludgeoned by an ex-con McDonald's cashier during an argument could have permanent brain damage, her angry mother said Monday.


Are you fucking kidding me!!! No accounting of HER actions . . .she didn't even receive an assault charge!

Denise Darbeau, 24, has been hospitalized since Thursday's violent clash in Greenwich Village, and her prognosis is unclear.

"She has memory loss. She's been heavily sedated. The doctors say it's too early to tell," said Darbeau's mother, who declined to give her name.

Mickey D's employee Rayon McIntosh, 31, used a metal bat to beat Darbeau and pal Rachel Edwards after they jumped behind the counter during a dispute over a $50 bill.

Did the WRITER even see the vid??!! This is a fucking piece of TRASH crap paper!

McIntosh is on parole after serving 10 years for manslaughter for shooting and killing a 17-year-old classmate in 2000.

Darbeau's mother said her daughter was unarmed and didn't deserve the beating, some of which occurred while she was helpless on the floor.

"Our concern is the background checks they do at McDonald's," the mother said of McIntosh's employment.

"I believe in second chances. But maybe they should not put people with violent backgrounds dealing with customers."

McDonald's could not be reached for immediate comment on its policies.

McIntosh is being held on an assault charge. Darbeau and Edwards were charged with menacing, criminal trespass and disorderly conduct.

"My daughter is just your average 24-year-old," her mother said. "She's fun-loving and full of life. We just want our daughter back the way she was.


"We don't know if she will recover. We are just praying for her."

esandoval@nydailynews.com

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...r_faces_permanent_brain_damage_mother_cl.html



Completely unfortunate. She'll pull through, she's a tough broad . . . But like, did her mother NOT see the video??:confused:

Somehow, the VIDEO of her daughter on an assault campaign in Mickee D's isn't corroborating the "she's just your average fun loving 24 year old" bit.

Personally, I wish everyone would keep their mitts to themselves because didn't no toys come with that happy meal.


Yo' this rag is a biased piece of filth. I need to write that paper. But fuck that. Time to donate. This is awful, for the victim (cashier) and the assailants. But the editor let this filth hit the streets for a little sensationalism??!!!


JG
 
The fact is that this man should be free.

Prior record should not be taken into account.

People need to go look up the NY self defense law.

The reality is, he's a black man in America. Strike one. He's a black man in America with a record. Strike two.

So it's fucked up, but he could be in trouble.

But. I have two words for you.

Bernard Goetz.

Explain this one Legacy and others.

You do know i said the same thing? Only i'm not saying COULD BE. I'm saying almost for certain he is.
 
Funny the mother didn't speak on her fun loving daughter bringing the ass whipping on herself....

They kill me with my my child is so nice, blah, blah, blah. I bet her ass is thinking now of how stupid she was.

I hope he sues that family. Dumb asses


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i guess you must hate yourself since according to LS the only people who don't find the man to be scum must enjoy seeing black women get beat down.:rolleyes:
 
He can be right and wrong at the same time or vice verse. One's right to defend themselves is higher than what the courts consider legal/illegal. Florida and many other states now have a no retreat law. So in those states you may be wrong but right under the law. At the end of the day people make their own judgment call.

Basic Observations on Law and Morality
http://www.wku.edu/~jan.garrett/320/320lawmo.htm

"At first there seems to be no distinction between law and morality. There are passages in ancient Greek writers, for example, which seem to suggest that the good person is the one who will do what is lawful. It is the lawgivers, in these early societies, who determine what is right and wrong.

But it is not long before thoughtful people recognize the difference between what is actually legal, or legally right according to the political authorities and what should be legal. What should be legal roughly corresponds to what is really right or just, that is, what we would call morally right. We find, for instance, the distinction between what is legally or conventionally right and what is naturally (or as we would say today morally) right."

It's not how they will see it in court. But You guys are convinced he was in the right. I'm not even really discussing right. I'm discussing how things really run. There's a few men who do and i guess a few who don't.
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Other then the update no one is sayin anything new. Jus sayin it differently.....no point in going back an forth. As for the update hope she gets better.

Hunny doesn't deserve brain damage over this....

This could have been avoided. Just please women encourage your female friends not to put their hands on a man and start something even if they feel like the guy won't respond or will maintain his professionalis
 
The law sucks if he is going to get in trouble for this.....he ran.....got a lead pipe perhaps to scare them or chase them off....but they ran up an got done up.

This is probably the only thing you've said that i'll agree with. The law sucks. I already said this whole situation is ignorant. And i've said all this really does is take another black man away.

But since it's not going to change. You have to act accordingly. You can't agree with that? Brownturd, someone else, Uncontainable Spirit. I'm sure some others. Seem to understand that they're not in a winning position by being black men in this country, and then getting into confrontations.

You guys are all grown. How is it that you ALL don't understand that the system is AGAINST you?
 
i guess you must hate yourself since according to LS the only people who don't find the man to be scum must enjoy seeing black women get beat down.:rolleyes:

No I love myself and have a black man that loves me just as much. Don't have issues with black men, but I do have a problem with black women who run up on any man, like they are a man and don't expect shit to happen....denial.

Both those dykes got their due.


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Why kill them when they are fleeing?? They arent a threat anymore physically since they were leaving ... as well material possessions are not important enough to take someones life ... I do not c/s this bullshit :smh::smh::smh::smh:

Them crackkkas were happy cuz in their eyes he killed a mexican thief, someone they consider scum ... same shit in this thread, mofos are only happy cuz it was bw getting "put in their place"

I disagree. The point I'm making is that men of color- villains in society, blacks mexicans- can only defend themselves if the way in which it's done is stainless and beyond reproach. If there's any reason to question severity or excess or past criminal behavior it becomes less about the incident and more about those involved and what they represent. In Texas the white man was the hero... the mexicans the villains. In this instance the ex-con is the ex-con (otherwise he'd be the hero) and the instigators, aggressors, bullies are woman. You do the math. If we change the faces of aggressors and hero peoples opinions change.

No one is happy a woman got her skull cracked... especially a black woman. These woman were off the chain... pacing and looking for trouble. I don't condone the beating but I'm not holding him accountable for it either.
 
No I love myself and have a black man that loves me just as much. Don't have issues with black men, but I do have a problem with black women who run up on any man, like they are a man and don't expect shit to happen....denial.

Both those dykes got their due.


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actually i was just being sarcastic.
 
He might try to take this to a jury instead of working a deal. You can ignore the facts. You can ignore everything you like. I'm not talking about what i'd do. I'm not talking about what you'd do. None of that "he felt threatened" is going to work. He had to keep beating them because he felt threatened is going to work. I've never seen it work. Maybe this will be a first. If that's the defense they go with.

He felt threatened while they were laying on the floor. It could. But i highly doubt it. All that human nature stuff doesn't fly either. Maybe i've just been around tough judges?

Well none of our words are verbatim on the matter.
like most people here we are only expression our opinion on the matter,based on what is presented here in this video,but at the same time we are speaking after the fact with a controlled mind frame.

Did you hear him stay down,stay down, several times,what does that indicate to you?

As for your OPINION on what will or will not work in a court of law,there are too many cases out there,what you have or have not seen work is not to be taken seriously as its not even a fraction of a percent.

Go around the net and read up on this situation and see whose side most folks is taking?not that its the deciding factor in a court of law.
why is folks collecting funds for his defense not hers?even though folks know he has been incarcerated before.
Ill say this much though,regardless of how this turns out,you can bet these two females and a few others who has seen this video will ever attempt to do something like this.
 
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Your sarcasm ignores the obvious double standard which exists when men of color are involved. Do you remember the old white dude in Texas who shot and killed two burglars fleeing from his neighbors house. That old guy killed these mexican burglars and got off... he was even held up as a hero for defending his neighbors property. In the Md's incident the employee was defending himself.

Points to consider; the video shows two women pacing back on forth between customers and cussing out employees, obviously looking for trouble. Nobody says shit to them... everyone keeps there distance. One woman smacks the guy at the register and everybody runs away... quite possibly thinking these crazy ass woman might start shooting. Point is if someone is coming for you and you really don't have anywhere to run all you can do is fight back. Where is this guy going... the back office? if this woman has a gun how far can he get before a bullet catches him. He did what most people in that situation would've done.

As a footnote, the white chick screaming actually heightens the situation. If your on the ground and you hear a shrill voice yelling like that you're gonna try to get up.

Some points.

Why do you assume he had no where to run? Most McDonald's i've seen and paid attention too. Have a backdoor which can only be opened from the inside.

That "he reverted to some kind of instinctual animal state". Doesn't do him any favors. I know you didn't say that, but that's the basis of what's being put out there. Situations i've seen they'll use that against him. "Well if he's going to revert to this mindless state then prison is the best place for him".

And last. If you know the system is fucked. And you know it's against you? Why let yourself be prone to things that you know will put you back IN the fucked up system that's against you?
 
This is probably the only thing you've said that i'll agree with. The law sucks. I already said this whole situation is ignorant. And i've said all this really does is take another black man away.

But since it's not going to change. You have to act accordingly. You can't agree with that? Brownturd, someone else, Uncontainable Spirit. I'm sure some others. Seem to understand that they're not in a winning position by being black men in this country, and then getting into confrontations.

You guys are all grown. How is it that you ALL don't understand that the system is AGAINST you?

Out of everything I said this is the only thing u can agree with? You don't agree we have a fight or flight? U don't agree that we live in a dangerus world today?

To answer ur question no. If I am threatend and it does not take much to make me feel threatend....and I'm in a lose lose situation which I would be...weighing my pros and cons id choose defend myself.

I would rather spend 2 years or whatever in jail then possibly dead.
I don't need to keep seeing and watching things to know shit can escalate quick. I will be the agressor in any situation eventually.
 
He might try to take this to a jury instead of working a deal. You can ignore the facts. You can ignore everything you like. I'm not talking about what i'd do. I'm not talking about what you'd do. None of that "he felt threatened" is going to work. He had to keep beating them because he felt threatened is going to work. I've never seen it work. Maybe this will be a first. If that's the defense they go with.

He felt threatened while they were laying on the floor. It could. But i highly doubt it. All that human nature stuff doesn't fly either. Maybe i've just been around tough judges?

It worked in Rodney King. Lawyer broke down each swing and made it appear as though Rodney was fighting back, thus justify the officers beating of him. In this case the white chick screaming escalates the situation imo. Furthermore, everyone ran when those girls hopped the counter- clearly people were concerned for their safety, which leads me to believe one or more employees could've thought the girls had a gun... not an unreasonable conclusion given how emboldened they were.
 
Duh! I knew that, but I couldn't resist. :)


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Heffa ......

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No one is happy a woman got her skull cracked... especially a black woman.

I could quote all the posts to prove you wrong but I cant be bothered right now
 
Lose lose situation......sure it is indeed.


Weigh the pros and cons.


If your child was endangered and kidnapped and the theifs demanded you rob a bank and kill the teller right now or they will kill your son.....nd your in a lose lose situation which do you think u will choose?

Ur going to choose one.

He was faced with a lose lose and he choose one. One....within that split second it was defend myself...

It's not like u do the sit and go have a cup of coffee after and ask who won the gae....
 
I guess it's because people refuse to let the roster of the "legacy infinity" have the last word. Why??? I'll never know :dunno:

Even tho this is the same chick (correct me if I'm wrong) who blames a dude, for his ex wife forging his signature for purposes of obtaining his sperm from a sperm bank, in order to impregnate herself! All while trapping him in a child support case for children he never knew existed, until his ex wife's sister made him aware of the situation.

If a person can feel that way about something like that, then there's nothing further that this person can say, that will make me pay them anymore attention.
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Anyway, for the last 2 or 3 days this thread has been a little entertaining, to say the least.

Whether this dude is convicted for defending himself, or not, doesn't matter to me. All that matters is that these 2 attackers got what they deserved....A True Case of the Molly-Whops :yes:

What in the hell? Nobody i know of has ever said that.
 
Now ur upset at her when she said nothing to u or about u........I would like to know never mind.....

lol

I'm not even upset though

Those 2 sillies are talkin bout about me and throwin shade like I aint here and dont see

And now you're runnin in here capin and tryin call ME out when you have no fuckin clue whats going on

Same ol BGOL bitchassness
 
Out of everything I said this is the only thing u can agree with? You don't agree we have a fight or flight? U don't agree that we live in a dangerus world today?

To answer ur question no. If I am threatend and it does not take much to make me feel threatend....and I'm in a lose lose situation which I would be...weighing my pros and cons id choose defend myself.

I would rather spend 2 years or whatever in jail then possibly dead.
I don't need to keep seeing and watching things to know shit can escalate quick. I will be the agressor in any situation eventually.

I see. Not surprised by your answer.
 
No one is happy a woman got her skull cracked... especially a black woman. These woman were off the chain... pacing and looking for trouble. I don't condone the beating but I'm not holding him accountable for it either.

Read cocobeauty's posts. Drayonis was positively giddy with delight that those women were being beat.
 
Some points.

Why do you assume he had no where to run? Most McDonald's i've seen and paid attention too. Have a backdoor which can only be opened from the inside.

That "he reverted to some kind of instinctual animal state". Doesn't do him any favors. I know you didn't say that, but that's the basis of what's being put out there. Situations i've seen they'll use that against him. "Well if he's going to revert to this mindless state then prison is the best place for him".

And last. If you know the system is fucked. And you know it's against you? Why let yourself be prone to things that you know will put you back IN the fucked up system that's against you?

The question I responded to was whether or not the incident warrants a self defense claim, and I think it does. From that perspective the system being against me becomes irrelevant bc the question becomes one of self preservation- defend myself and live or face an unknown conclusion.

To answer your question, I'm not assuming there's no place to run. I am suggesting that in the heat of a confrontation, like this, when two woman are pursuing you- after having reached across the counter to already administer a slap upon you- your mind has to conclude that something more than meets the eye could be at play. In other words, what could give these two woman the nerve, the fearlessness, the boldness, the audacity, to slap me... then jump over the counter and chase after me? In this situation how many conclusions are you going to draw in the two and a half seconds allotted? And within that two and half seconds how far do you think your gonna get before a bullet peels your back? It seems logical to me that if you don't have distance between you and your aggressor- to get away- you've got to turn and fight.

The way these girls were pacing the counter and punking other employees you had to wonder what could make this very unnatural scenario plausible?

y'all are judging him and not the situation he was in. Y'all are seeing a dude clubbing two woman and not how bizarre the scene was and the confusion it caused. When that first girl came over the counter everyone scattered. Why? Nobody tried to get between her and the fellow employee she'd just slapped, why? Maybe bc they thought "this bitch is crazy as fuck" and probably about to pull out a gun. "I'm out... hope dude can make it to the back door before he get's shot."

Clearly I wasn't there so I don't know what happened, but what state is he supposed to revert to if he feels like he's being pursued by someone who's about to shoot him? And if ol'girl does have a gun reverting to the instinctual animal state keeps him alive... or gives him a fighting chance.
 
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