Maybe Africans don’t love us like we love them

[Gods_Debris]

I listened to the 1st minute of the ranting of that woman. There
are fools on both sides of this issue, but they are a small minority.

The majority of black people in the world understand that we
are in the same boat. Whoever wrote the crap she read should
be ashamed because the conditions under which black Americans
live far exceed those under which Africans live. Black Americans
go to jail because they are black, and if black Africans came to
America, they would go jail too. In fact, South Africa, then
with a smaller population of black people than there were black
Americans incarcerated more black people than American with
a population 5 times as big incarcerated all races combined.

The incarceration of black Americans owes to the fact that they
live in a racist country controlled by white men who hate them.


If some delusional African thinks that things would be different
if cacs controlled Africa, it is because cacs have done a very
good job of brainwashing Africans and erasing their crimes.

In Rhodesia, South Africa, cacs incarcerated black people by
the droves for not paying a poll tax (ie a monthly tax on any
African adult for simply being alive); they incerated Africans
for going into parts of the city for which the passports they
had to carry were not endorsed; they were incarcerated for
walking on the white side of the road, or for being on a white
beach, or for exceeding the number stipulated in a house
hold. My mother told me of white men who killed black men
for no apparent reason and were never charged with a crime

My best friend's grandfather was shot in the middle of the
forehead by an English man because when the English went
into his village to conscript Africans to fight Hitler and the
Japanese, my friend's grand father got up and asked why
Africans should fight Germans and Japanese they did not know
and did not have a quarrel with. The white man drew a gun
and shot the man in the middle of his forehead. When my friend
was born, he had mole in the spot where his grandfather had
been shot, and so they named him after that man.

No beef my nigga I definitely generalized some points but you know when a crack a in the US says nig are they are not thinking about no motherfuckin African immigrant (no offense). But we can find 100 threads about how much better your African music and musicians are... right... I'm not calling for waging war and we should ally whenever possible but we can't count on Africans to have our shit wet got to hold our own nuts. If you don't like that I'm sorry you take offense but so be it

 

[mangobob79]

No beef my nigga I definitely generalized some points but you know when a crack a in the US says nig are they are not thinking about no motherfuckin African immigrant (no offense). But we can find 100 threads about how much better your African music and musicians are... right... I'm not calling for waging war and we should ally whenever possible but we can't count on Africans to have our shit wet got to hold our own nuts. If you don't like that I'm sorry you take offense but so be it

So u think Cacs dont call Africans nigg## becos ? Someone told u this or u had one friend who told u this ?
The level of ignorance out here sometimes is baffling , ignorance birthed out if miseducation

 

[mangobob79]

'Like we love them?'

This funny because ask any african the type of love they have received and you will hear different.

You guys love the old romanticised old africa like kemet and sudan but you have a haughty disdain for your true immediate heritage. I have never seen anyone claim to be a pygmy, from the luba lunda, bantu or even the asante on here. I have seen comments towards africans that would rival the vitriol on stormfront on here

All these ^^^^ Cacs done a job on alot of us boy

 

[man-machine]

Damn. Good point.

As for Africans vs black Americans, what's funny is white Americans don't seem to stress about Europeans liking them. Europeans don't seem to be stressing over Americans. Over in Asia, Chinese and Japanese don't get a long and it's no big deal. Why are black people the only people on the planet supposed to be one big family and agree on everything? No other group has that expectation or pressure.

That's that 'all black people are the same' racism.

Whenever I hear the term "Black Unity" these days my Bullshit shields go to yellow alert because usually what follows that phrase is something that makes little sense. It's never just about color its all about culture. Hence why many "Black" folk don't get along in Mother Africa. White folks kill each all the time in nonsense going back centuries. People forget WWI, WWII, All those conflicts in those former Soviet Union satellite countries after the Soviet union fell. The Japanese slaughtered Chinese during WWII. Then look over here and see how Rich Whites play poor whites everyday.

 

[Nzinga]

No beef my nigga I definitely generalized some points but you know when a crack a in the US says nig are they are not thinking about no motherfuckin African immigrant (no offense). But we can find 100 threads about how much better your African music and musicians are... right... I'm not calling for waging war and we should ally whenever possible but we can't count on Africans to have our shit wet got to hold our own nuts. If you don't like that I'm sorry you take offense but so be it

I am not a Nigga. End of conversation.

 

[william busa]

This young lady is doing exactly what white people do: Generalizing the whole continent of Africa by the comments of a few, just like white people feel that every black person is just like Ray Ray nem selling drugs and drinking 40s on the corner. I personally know a number of Kenyans, Zambians, Tanzanians, and Nigerians. None of them act like what this girl is describing. But I'm always telling my younger folks, "You get out of the universe what you put into the universe.". In other words, people will treat you how you act.

 

[mangobob79]

Man, I wish this self hate would go away. Frankly, the article was one of redemption. The women who wrote it didn't like her past. Her father had to admit that his ancestor was a piece of shit later in the article. Look, we are all looking at each other from the white man's perspective so, you are gonna have some issues. It's apart of it, but we got to stop pushing this bullshit narrative. From my 47+ years of life and looking at the connection between African-Americans and continental Africans, we started the bullshit modern day conflict. When they got here African-Americans called them African booty scratchers, you too black, etc. Did not try to connect to them culturally. All this shit comes from being taught to hate ourselves. Anything that is innately black is dirty, unclean, not good. This bullshit guilt trip was purport around the world but we here in America. We got that shit bad. So, when we understand our part in this current shit, then perhaps things will get better. Further, you got to educate Africans to our struggle. They truly have no ideal what we go through. Frankly, most of us have no idea what they go through to get here. So, we both need to open up and sit down and show each other the way.

boom

 

[mangobob79]

THE GRAPEVINE | "The Collective - Africans vs AA's vs West Indians" (1&2) | S2E62 &63





watch these 2 videos , its a good discussion nonetheless and some of the points she made were kinda dealt with. good video to watch and build upon

but the issues get to a head in part 2 , thats where things get interesting after sensei makes her statement which is at the root of alot of her perspective. interesting great clip

 

[Gods_Debris]

I am not a Nigga. End of conversation.

If you don't like that... so be it

 

[ShortyCumStain]

'Like we love them?'

This funny because ask any african the type of love they have received and you will hear different.

You guys love the old romanticised old africa like kemet and sudan but you have a haughty disdain for your true immediate heritage. I have never seen anyone claim to be a pygmy, from the luba lunda, bantu or even the asante on here. I have seen comments towards africans that would rival the vitriol on stormfront on here

All of this is correct.

Bantu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[ShortyCumStain]

Some of y'all are obsessed with being "liked/loved" by da global community at large. It speaks to da need or longing for validation and acceptance.

 

[Nzinga]

Do not disrespect me

 

[Gods_Debris]

So u think Cacs dont call Africans nigg## becos ? Someone told u this or u had one friend who told u this ?
The level of ignorance out here sometimes is baffling , ignorance birthed out if miseducation

I'm not going to touch on every point but CAC in the US hardly ever think of actual Africans. They can't even name a single country there.

Do not disrespect me

Not even about you. Quit being a narcissist I don't have a bone to pick with you. I will say I worked with refugee resettlement programs for years. I got plenty of African friends from Sudan to Mali, ethiopia, kenya Nigeria, Cape Verde, libya, Morocco, the Arab states, South Africa etc...friends I've had deep conversations with so I know the general consensus on Blacks. (North American African descendants) you can paint whatever picture you want though I certainly can't stop you. I also can't name 200 generations of ancestors. I'm not trying to hurt your feelings though, like you said though you not a nigga, you're an outsider and my words were never even for you or eligible for you to trifle with. You are not the be all end all either cousin.

We can run the numbers on the African continental and inter tribal unity tip if you want too

 

[keone]

Get this fucking bullshit thread the fuck outta here. Cleary you don't know shit if you follow one chik in video .

Godo your research then you know how bullshit this thread is .foh

 

[exiledking]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Mr. Met]

Get this fucking bullshit thread the fuck outta here. Cleary you don't know shit if you follow one chik in video .

Godo your research then you know how bullshit this thread is .foh

It clearly states in the original post that this is just one opinion. She’s only stating what many people, especially black Hebrew Israelites have been arguing for years.

 

[Nzinga]

Not even about you. Quit being a narcissist I don't have a bone to pick with you.

I am narcissistic because I told you not to call me "nigga"?

 

[Gods_Debris]

I am narcissistic because I told you not to call me "nigga"?

Are you trolling me right now?

 

[Nzinga]

Are you trolling me right now?

I asked you a very simple and direct question

 

[Gods_Debris]

I asked you a very simple and direct question

If you read what was written you'd have your answer as it was directly stated there but no that's not what I said.

 

[ORIGINAL NATION]

I did not check out the video because I was upset at her wearing a bull ring. But to a lot of Africans it looks like we have sided with these devils and only want to be carbon copies ourselves. South Africa used to say that they did not want to hear anything a black leader in America has to say. That had a reason for saying that. Our weakness as a people sentenced them to death every day. We fought bleed and died to make white power superior. Even today we are programmed to keep building on a reality they created.
Before Jesus time if somebody said that they saw a man do the things Jesus did they would say he is crazy. But when Jesus did the things in their face white had a problem with people waking up. All blacks use to could do what Jesus did and more. So they got rid of Jesus and worked to put the masses back to sleep. Not only did blacks forget about their natural powers but they poisoned us for so long that they taught us how to poison ourselves.
For right now there is power in becoming carbon copies of them. Being yourself will be just like trying to be yourself in Jonestown, the brainwashed will do what they can to destroy you and they cannot help it because they are controlled.
If we were not controlled and programmed by white devils we would be able to show the power of real love.

 

[trstar]

Some where Yvette Carnel is smiling. This has been her thesofor some time now.

We are all we got - decedents of slaves.

 

[DVS X]

Didnt like the first 2 videos posted because that chick's attitude seems like she would turn bitter on anyone even mentioning that they are African or West Indian and encouraging viewer to feel the same way about a whole group of people they might have never even met. When people present themselves like that it makes me think that maybe they just dont like YOU as a person and that your opinions are driven by hate.

But the Grapevine videos were fire! Only watched the first one but planning on watching the second. After watching, that one, the girl's opinions are valid after she presents them in a more respectful manner. Very intelligent discussion that are things Ive encountered in life with immigrants and some things I didnt know. Definitely worth watching because it allows you to see the same subject from all sides and people actually do a good job explaining why and where their opinions came from.

 

[trstar]

Didnt like the first 2 videos posted because that chick's attitude seems like she would turn bitter on anyone even mentioning that they are African or West Indian and encouraging viewer to feel the same way about a whole group of people they might have never even met. When people present themselves like that it makes me think that maybe they just dont like YOU as a person and that your opinions are driven by hate.

But the Grapevine videos were fire! Only watched the first one but planning on watching the second. After watching, that one, the girl's opinions are valid after she presents them in a more respectful manner. Very intelligent discussion that are things Ive encountered in life with immigrants and some things I didnt know. Definitely worth watching because it allows you to see the same subject from all sides and people actually do a good job explaining why and where their opinions came from.

Thanks for highlighting the grapevine videos. I would have skipped over them.

I got my “you ain’t African” wake up call in college dealing with Nigerian students. It was clear “we ain’t rocking you and yours”, until they wanted some class notes. I was salty about that for a long time, until it dawned on me that “we ain’t them”.
Ironically my AncestryDNA came back as 34% Nigerian.

 

[mangobob79]

Thanks for highlighting the grapevine videos. I would have skipped over them.

I got my “you ain’t African” wake up call in college dealing with Nigerian students. It was clear “we ain’t rocking you and yours”, until they wanted some class notes. I was salty about that for a long time, until it dawned on me that “we ain’t them”.
Ironically my AncestryDNA came back as 34% Nigerian.

In a vast world and sea of blackness ,u decided the misguided opinions of a few "Nigerians " in ur class was all the proof u needed to confirm ur bias, yet all the efforts of countless daisporic afrikan immigrants to the struggle and upliftment of the DACS isnt enuff. Like the other OP said , some of the hatred and bitter dishumanizing vitriol some have been taught to hold for continental afrikan almost rival that of the KKK and stormfront on bgol and the real streets.. education isnt enuff sometimes

 

[mangobob79]

PAN AFRIKAN TILL I DIE !!
Yvette Carnell and the rest can have their thing , i have a problem with their stance but I wont demonize them ,they have a right to their opinions and feelings ,even though some of their points are actually valid but the overarching sentiment of the position is something I cant rock with. We'll just have to build separately from them with my fellow PAN AFRIKANS

 

[trstar]

In a vast world and sea of blackness ,u decided the misguided opinions of a few "Nigerians " in ur class was all the proof u needed to confirm ur bias, yet all the efforts of countless daisporic afrikan immigrants to the struggle and upliftment of the DACS isnt enuff. Like the other OP said , some of the hatred and bitter dishumanizing vitriol some have been taught to hold for continental afrikan almost rival that of the KKK and stormfront on bgol and the real streets.. education isnt enuff sometimes

I had no bias until I met Africans in school. A lot of their think is/was fucked up about native born African Americans. I will not pass a Pan African purity test, or even a Hotep “group hug”. This issue is nuanced. And there needs to be understanding on all sides. And for you to jump right to the KKK and storefront, smells a little Russian to me, eh Ivan.

 

[keone]

In a vast world and sea of blackness ,u decided the misguided opinions of a few "Nigerians " in ur class was all the proof u needed to confirm ur bias, yet all the efforts of countless daisporic afrikan immigrants to the struggle and upliftment of the DACS isnt enuff. Like the other OP said , some of the hatred and bitter dishumanizing vitriol some have been taught to hold for continental afrikan almost rival that of the KKK and stormfront on bgol and the real streets.. education isnt enuff sometimes

funny thing is they will cuss out white people for doing the same thing.

 

[mangobob79]

I had no bias until I met Africans in school. A lot of their think is/was fucked up about native born African Americans. I will not pass a Pan African purity test, or even a Hotep “group hug”. This issue is nuanced. And there needs to be understanding on all sides. And for you to jump right to the KKK and storefront, smells a little Russian to me, eh Ivan.

ok, now we talkin : let deal with ur posts, atleast we're being honest and blunt honesty is what will win the war for us on this issue

A lot of their think is/was fucked up about native born African Americans. : yes and alot of them are sadly and frustratingly IGNORANT about AFR-AM DACS struggle in the minutae and how it affects our social economic psychology standings WE REALLY NEED TO TELL EACH OTHERS STORY AND BEGIN TO LISTEN TO THEN AS WELL BECOS quiet as its kept, they're also dealaing with POST-IMPERIALISM + DAMAGES OF POST SLAVERY TRAUMA TO AN EXTENT AS WELL , BUT the cushion they had was they were the ones who remained with a huge semblance of their original culture and homeland and that helped them cope but the psychological effects of it are never really dealt with and i think that is one of the issues afrika faces as a whole. they havent dealt with the effects of imperialism

 

[mangobob79]

I had no bias until I met Africans in school. A lot of their think is/was fucked up about native born African Americans. I will not pass a Pan African purity test, or even a Hotep “group hug”. This issue is nuanced. And there needs to be understanding on all sides. And for you to jump right to the KKK and storefront, smells a little Russian to me, eh Ivan.

ok, now we talkin : let deal with ur posts, atleast we're being honest and blunt honesty is what will win the war for us on this issue

A lot of their think is/was fucked up about native born African Americans. : yes and alot of them are sadly and frustratingly IGNORANT about AFR-AM DACS struggle in the minutae and how it affects our social economic psychology standings WE REALLY NEED TO TELL EACH OTHERS STORY AND BEGIN TO LISTEN TO THEN AS WELL BECOS quiet as its kept, they're also dealaing with POST-IMPERIALISM + DAMAGES OF POST SLAVERY TRAUMA TO AN EXTENT AS WELL , BUT the cushion they had was they were the ones who remained with a huge semblance of their original culture and homeland and that helped them cope but the psychological effects of it are never really dealt with and i think that is one of the issues afrika faces as a whole. they havent dealt with the effects of imperialism

i rock with sensei in her piece in the car where she talks about the arrogance n ignorance and lack of respect and veneration DACS dont get from diasporic afrikans in the US, i think we need to give each black immigrant a 2 week course in history of DACS in america apprecation , so they learn to better respect and honor the struggles of DACS in america which they can now enjoy some of the fruits of the struggle, becos truth be told humans r lazy about history , so if given a chance they just wanna work, save $$ and dip after raising kids becos of their attachement to their ancestral home , so the stuggles of DACS aint really that forefront in their minds, hell it aint even in the minds of alot of DACS in the usa who'd rather concentrate on assimlaition and $$ stacking

 

[mangobob79]

shit i wont even mind a little DACS poll tax thats set aside specifically for DACS kids and programs to benefits DACS, and black immigrants will be taxed as well , its a 2fold win becos it also helps to solidify in the minds of black immigrants the benefits they enjoy were brought by the blood sweat n tears of DACS

 

[RPGKilla11]

Has anyone thought that maybe black people was here in America before the pilgrims and Columbus. I don't believe my people was shipped here. I think we were enslaved in our own land. We may of came from Africa but they didn't bring us here. Just saying.

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

Has anyone thought that maybe black people was here in America before the pilgrims and Columbus. I don't believe my people was shipped here. I think we were enslaved in our own land. We may of came from Africa but they didn't bring us here. Just saying.

FACTS!!!...

 

[Osca Lee]

This again...

When you find out the truth you will know why some dont like us.

 

[Osca Lee]

Has anyone thought that maybe black people was here in America before the pilgrims and Columbus. I don't believe my people was shipped here. I think we were enslaved in our own land. We may of came from Africa but they didn't bring us here. Just saying.

They dont want the truth...

We been here...its documented...there are treaties that are still in place and protected by international law. We are the only ones on the planet that have that claim. Think about that...mfs gonna hate

 

[Mr. Met]

They’re going in.

 

[MrSid]

“As it’s been said already , let it be done . “
Africa Unite . Bob Marley .