Marvel:INFINITY WAR (discussion thread)
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you aren't familiar with Deadpool nor Cable I see... well if the screenplay is onpoint like it was before - you're in for a treat
*ahem...
Fox Studios...
see how EASY it is to have a purple villain if you just TRY a little harder?
Just give the Mouse back his sh*t.
Deadpool isn't just some goofy character, that is just one of the personalities he has had throughout the years. I grew up reading xforce in the 90's so I am very familiar with Cable
They're fighting thanos. It should be like the first avengers: one set piece to another.
If you have mothafuckas throwing moons at you, it's kinda hard to focus on high school.
man that nigga don too funny. hate that his tv show ended
I'm so ready.
Can't wait
Man I know but there seems to be a lot of rumors and smoke about marvel getting their rights..i just hope that it comes to fruition
IMO - Disney will have to literally buy Constantin Films
Hmm, that's interesting....
I'm happy for you - but in my case...
I'm tired of fucking malicious space clouds
Doc Strange lost a lot of points for that - putting it on Thor Iron Man 3 level as for movie quality
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Fantastic-Four-Movie-Rights-May-Return-Marvel-Get-Details-88417.html
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/206-comics-and-graphic-novels/74559495
German company Contantin Film, who holds the rights to Fantastic Four, and have since 1986, currently allow Fox to produce the films for them.
But on November 9th, one of two competing shareholders announced that he would like for the company to abandon it's film division for Sports broadcasting. The other shareholder, who would likely be against said plan, had his vote blocked after an accusation of wrongdoings within the company. Should the accusation hold, the Fantastic Four rights(and other holdings) could wind up on the market.
Though, depending largely on how the deals are written, one of Marvel or Fox would likely end up with the rights. Though in any situation where Marvel would have to approve a sale, they likely become the buyer. Meanwhile, even if a deal gives Fox right of first refusal, they'd be on the hook to pay up for the property and all future films.
A trade commission will likely take time examining everything in full, and this could end up dead in the water, amoumting to nothing. But it could also end up with Fantastic Four's return for cheaper and faster than if left to Fox.
But on November 9th, one of two competing shareholders announced that he would like for the company to abandon it's film division for Sports broadcasting. The other shareholder, who would likely be against said plan, had his vote blocked after an accusation of wrongdoings within the company. Should the accusation hold, the Fantastic Four rights(and other holdings) could wind up on the market.
Though, depending largely on how the deals are written, one of Marvel or Fox would likely end up with the rights. Though in any situation where Marvel would have to approve a sale, they likely become the buyer. Meanwhile, even if a deal gives Fox right of first refusal, they'd be on the hook to pay up for the property and all future films.
A trade commission will likely take time examining everything in full, and this could end up dead in the water, amoumting to nothing. But it could also end up with Fantastic Four's return for cheaper and faster than if left to Fox.
http://mcuexchange.com/connecting-imaginary-dots-how-an-ownership-shakeup-could-lead-to-f4s-return/
https://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachri...tin-medien-aktionaere-streiten-um-filmsparte/
Constantin has a deal with FOX in which FOX produces the F4 films while Constantin helps in distributing them. So does this mean FOX has the right of first-refuse or do the rights automatically revert to MARVEL?
No. 3rd parties does not get the rights off a permitted party that has been dissolved or bought. It prevents companies to obtain patents and licenses that the original licensor did not have an agreement with... Especially if the licensor is still in business... Imagine DC bring allowed to buy marvel movie rights.
If Constantin folds thr contract between them no longer is valid. Marvel is a creative company hence their IP have restrictions and are not transferrable... Its how creative companies write their contracts. Either constantin sells it back or they give it back because they fold.... If constantin is indeed about to fold... Its wise for Marvel to wait. Especially since one clause is... They must make movies every 7 years... How could a folded company satisfy that clause....
http://www.cbr.com/fantastic-four-movie-series-mcu-update/
Will We Ever See the Fantastic Four in the Marvel Cinematic Universe?
06.13.2017by Charles Paul Hoffmanin CBR ExclusivesComment (27)
When Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures announced a deal to bring Spider-Man to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, fans were justifiably excited, while also wondering how the deal would work out in practice. Two-and-a-half years later, the deal appears to have been a huge success, with Peter Parker stealing the show in “Captain America: Civil War,” and “Spider-Man: Homecoming” set to debut in less than a month. The deal has also freed up Sony to focus on other Marvel characters it controls, with Venom and Black Cat and Silver Sable set to star in upcoming films.
RELATED: Silver Sable/Black Cat Spider-Man Film Lands Title, Director & Release Date
With Marvel and Sony able to make peace, people once again began wondering if a Marvel/Fox deal might be possible to bring the Fantastic Four to the MCU.
The short answer? Don’t hold your breath. It’s not likely until at least 2022, if even then.
To explain why, though, we need to start with the strange story of how Fox inherited the Fantastic Four rights in the first place.
How Did Fox Get the Rights to the Fantastic Four?
The story of just how Fox got the Fantastic Four rights in the first place is extraordinary in and of itself. Fox did not initially buy the rights from Marvel, instead effectively inheriting them from the German production company Constantin Film, which has held them since 1986.
In the 1970s and ’80s, Marvel made a big push to sell its properties to Hollywood. The effort was initially quite successful, leading to the “Incredible Hulk” and “Amazing Spider-Man” TV series in the 1970s, as well as the “Howard the Duck” (1986), “Punisher” (1989), and “Captain America” (1990) films. A number of other major franchises were optioned by studios, including the Fantastic Four, which was optioned by Constantin Film in 1986 for an estimated $250,000.
RELATED: James Gunn Would Have Loved to Use A Fantastic Four Villain in GotGv2
Under the terms of the option, rights would revert to Marvel unless Constantin began production on a film by December 31, 1992. But, Constantin could not figure out how to make the film—which would need to star four superheroes with four very different power sets—with a reasonable budget. Instead, the film languished in development hell. With the contract set to expire, Constantin asked for an extension from Marvel, but Marvel refused; Batman and Batman Returns had proven the market for superhero films was much larger than Marvel believed when it signed the deal six years earlier.
Desperate to keep the option, in September 1992, Constantin approached B-movie maven Roger Corman to start production on a Fantastic Four film before the year was out, for a budget of approximately $1 million. Corman agreed, and on December 28, 1992—a mere three days before the option expired—filming began on “The Fantastic Four.”
There was just one problem: aside from Corman, the cast, and crew, no one really wanted the movie to be released. The film was tentatively scheduled for a 1994 premiere at the Mall of America, but then quietly disappeared into the vaults, killed by Constantin and Marvel. (The full, truly fantastic, story is told in the documentary “Doomed: The Untold Story of Roger Corman’s ‘The Fantastic Four.‘”) But while the film never (officially) saw the light of day, Constantin’s gambit had paid off; it now had the Fantastic Four rights for another seven years, through the end of the millennium.
Unsurprisingly, Constantin still didn’t have a Fantastic Four film in production by 1999, but it had in the intervening years teamed up with 20th Century Fox, which at the time had a strong relationship with Marvel through the X-Men franchise. In early 1999, Constantin and Fox approached Marvel to extend the option once more, and Marvel—still weak from its mid-90s bankruptcy—agreed to an extension of at least two years.
Production on the 2005 Tim Story-directed “Fantastic Four” (starring Jessica Alba, Chris Evans, Michael Chiklis, and Ioan Gruffudd) did not actually begin until 2004, meaning the contract was possibly extended at least one more time. It appears, however, that the deal has not been renegotiated since about 2002 at the latest. The contract as it stands appears to give Fox and Constantin a perpetual right to make Fantastic Four movies, expiring only if more than seven years elapses without active production on a new film.
RELATED: Mads Mikkelsen Walked Out of His Fantastic Four Audition
This seven year window was likely the deciding factor behind the 2015 Josh Trask-directed “Fantastic Four” reboot starring Kate Mara, Michael B. Jordan, Toby Kebbell and Miles Teller. Fox/Constantin had to start filming something by the end of 2014 (seven years after “Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer”), or rights would revert to Marvel. The result was not pretty, to say the least. Counting from that film’s 2015 release, Fox/Constantin would appear to have until the end of 2022 to beginning filming a new Fantastic Four movie.
But Who Actually Owns the Rights — Fox or Constantin Film?
While it is clear that Fox and Constantin collectively control the cinematic rights to the Fantastic Four, it is not actually clear how they’re divided between the two companies. Constantin has produced all four Fantastic Four films, while Fox has distributed all three that have had cinematic releases. Things are further complicated by the fact that we are really talking about two sets of rights: production rights, which let someone make a movie, and distribution rights, which allow them to distribute the completed film to theaters.
Although there are a number of possibilities, the most likely situation is that Constantin retains the production rights first sold to them in 1986, but that Fox has exclusive distribution rights as part of the 1999 deal with Marvel.
RELATED: Fox Won’t Make Another Fantastic Four Movie Unless It’s ‘100% Right’
Why is this distinction important? Late last year, Constantin’s parent company suggested it was considering consolidating its assets to focus on its core market: sports broadcasting. If that were to happen, the Fantastic Four production rights could end up at another studio or production company. Or, they could revert to Marvel.
Of course, even if Marvel somehow reacquired the production rights, that doesn’t mean we would see an MCU Fantastic Four film anytime soon. A distribution deal with Universal Studios has effectively prevented Marvel Studios from making another Hulk-centric film, for instance. There’s no reason to believe Marvel and Fox would want to work together on the Fantastic Four.
Relations Between Fox and Marvel/Disney
While Marvel and Fox shared a very close relationship during the 1990s, things have gotten extraordinarily frosty in the past decade. With Marvel Studios bringing production in-house, Marvel changed from a licensor to a competitor.
Things have only chilled since then. In 2012, Marvel’s parent company, Disney, acquired Lucasfilm and simultaneously announced it would be producing and self-releasing new “Star Wars” films. “Star Wars,” a franchise so associated with Fox that the studio’s fanfare was regularly included in the films’ soundtracks, was understandably frustrated. Disney had effectively bought the studio’s biggest franchise out from under them, with Fox getting nothing to make up for the loss.
RELATED: Doctor Strange Director Wants to See Fantastic Four in MCU
To make matters worse, in 2013 Marvel announced a deal with Netflix that included Daredevil—a property Fox had controlled but let lapse in or about 2010. Rumors since have suggested that Fox will never again let another property revert to Marvel/Disney without getting something in return.
The four years since has seen a near constant barrage of rumors that Marvel is trying to sabotage Fox by downplaying X-Men comics, telling creators assigned to X-Men books that they cannot create original characters (since they would be in Fox’s control), and outright cancelling “Fantastic Four” months before the latest movie was released. Whether these rumors are true or merely a series of coincidences, they have increased tensions between Marvel and Fox.
Could We See a Deal Between Fox and Marvel Anyway?
But while relations between Marvel and Fox are particularly poor at the moment, there is still some remote hope for the Fantastic Four, especially since Fox does not really seem to care about the franchise in and of itself. Instead, Fox’s primary concern has been on the X-Men.
RELATED: Why Are All Fantastic Four Movies Doomed?
One possibility that is raised periodically is that Fox might be willing to give up the rights to the Fantastic Four in exchange for something X-Men related. With more and more superhero content moving to television, it’s possible we will someday see a swap, with Fox giving up the Fantastic Four in exchange for broader X-Men television rights, which for now have to be negotiated on a case-by-case basis with Marvel. But, as Marvel has increasingly used television as part of the MCU, it may be unwilling to cede any more rights to the lucrative X-Men franchise in exchange for the Fantastic Four. Personally, I don’t expect to see this happen anytime soon.
Another possibility is that after running down the clock again, relations between Marvel and Fox could improve enough by 2022 that a joint production deal—akin to the Spider-Man deal with Sony—could be a possibility. With the Fantastic Four being a particularly poor match for the X-Men franchise, there is a high possibility that Fox will have no better idea what to do with the franchise in 2022 than they did in 2015, and might just be willing to take 50% of whatever Marvel does with them as a consolation prize.
That said, Fox has next to zero incentive to strike a deal with Marvel until the current deal nears its expiration. While there is a decent chance the next Fantastic Four movie will be connected to the MCU, it is unlikely to be released before 2022.
Will We Ever See the Fantastic Four in the Marvel Cinematic Universe?
06.13.2017by Charles Paul Hoffmanin CBR ExclusivesComment (27)
When Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures announced a deal to bring Spider-Man to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, fans were justifiably excited, while also wondering how the deal would work out in practice. Two-and-a-half years later, the deal appears to have been a huge success, with Peter Parker stealing the show in “Captain America: Civil War,” and “Spider-Man: Homecoming” set to debut in less than a month. The deal has also freed up Sony to focus on other Marvel characters it controls, with Venom and Black Cat and Silver Sable set to star in upcoming films.
RELATED: Silver Sable/Black Cat Spider-Man Film Lands Title, Director & Release Date
With Marvel and Sony able to make peace, people once again began wondering if a Marvel/Fox deal might be possible to bring the Fantastic Four to the MCU.
The short answer? Don’t hold your breath. It’s not likely until at least 2022, if even then.
To explain why, though, we need to start with the strange story of how Fox inherited the Fantastic Four rights in the first place.
How Did Fox Get the Rights to the Fantastic Four?
The story of just how Fox got the Fantastic Four rights in the first place is extraordinary in and of itself. Fox did not initially buy the rights from Marvel, instead effectively inheriting them from the German production company Constantin Film, which has held them since 1986.
In the 1970s and ’80s, Marvel made a big push to sell its properties to Hollywood. The effort was initially quite successful, leading to the “Incredible Hulk” and “Amazing Spider-Man” TV series in the 1970s, as well as the “Howard the Duck” (1986), “Punisher” (1989), and “Captain America” (1990) films. A number of other major franchises were optioned by studios, including the Fantastic Four, which was optioned by Constantin Film in 1986 for an estimated $250,000.
RELATED: James Gunn Would Have Loved to Use A Fantastic Four Villain in GotGv2
Under the terms of the option, rights would revert to Marvel unless Constantin began production on a film by December 31, 1992. But, Constantin could not figure out how to make the film—which would need to star four superheroes with four very different power sets—with a reasonable budget. Instead, the film languished in development hell. With the contract set to expire, Constantin asked for an extension from Marvel, but Marvel refused; Batman and Batman Returns had proven the market for superhero films was much larger than Marvel believed when it signed the deal six years earlier.
Desperate to keep the option, in September 1992, Constantin approached B-movie maven Roger Corman to start production on a Fantastic Four film before the year was out, for a budget of approximately $1 million. Corman agreed, and on December 28, 1992—a mere three days before the option expired—filming began on “The Fantastic Four.”
There was just one problem: aside from Corman, the cast, and crew, no one really wanted the movie to be released. The film was tentatively scheduled for a 1994 premiere at the Mall of America, but then quietly disappeared into the vaults, killed by Constantin and Marvel. (The full, truly fantastic, story is told in the documentary “Doomed: The Untold Story of Roger Corman’s ‘The Fantastic Four.‘”) But while the film never (officially) saw the light of day, Constantin’s gambit had paid off; it now had the Fantastic Four rights for another seven years, through the end of the millennium.
Unsurprisingly, Constantin still didn’t have a Fantastic Four film in production by 1999, but it had in the intervening years teamed up with 20th Century Fox, which at the time had a strong relationship with Marvel through the X-Men franchise. In early 1999, Constantin and Fox approached Marvel to extend the option once more, and Marvel—still weak from its mid-90s bankruptcy—agreed to an extension of at least two years.
Production on the 2005 Tim Story-directed “Fantastic Four” (starring Jessica Alba, Chris Evans, Michael Chiklis, and Ioan Gruffudd) did not actually begin until 2004, meaning the contract was possibly extended at least one more time. It appears, however, that the deal has not been renegotiated since about 2002 at the latest. The contract as it stands appears to give Fox and Constantin a perpetual right to make Fantastic Four movies, expiring only if more than seven years elapses without active production on a new film.
RELATED: Mads Mikkelsen Walked Out of His Fantastic Four Audition
This seven year window was likely the deciding factor behind the 2015 Josh Trask-directed “Fantastic Four” reboot starring Kate Mara, Michael B. Jordan, Toby Kebbell and Miles Teller. Fox/Constantin had to start filming something by the end of 2014 (seven years after “Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer”), or rights would revert to Marvel. The result was not pretty, to say the least. Counting from that film’s 2015 release, Fox/Constantin would appear to have until the end of 2022 to beginning filming a new Fantastic Four movie.
But Who Actually Owns the Rights — Fox or Constantin Film?
While it is clear that Fox and Constantin collectively control the cinematic rights to the Fantastic Four, it is not actually clear how they’re divided between the two companies. Constantin has produced all four Fantastic Four films, while Fox has distributed all three that have had cinematic releases. Things are further complicated by the fact that we are really talking about two sets of rights: production rights, which let someone make a movie, and distribution rights, which allow them to distribute the completed film to theaters.
Although there are a number of possibilities, the most likely situation is that Constantin retains the production rights first sold to them in 1986, but that Fox has exclusive distribution rights as part of the 1999 deal with Marvel.
RELATED: Fox Won’t Make Another Fantastic Four Movie Unless It’s ‘100% Right’
Why is this distinction important? Late last year, Constantin’s parent company suggested it was considering consolidating its assets to focus on its core market: sports broadcasting. If that were to happen, the Fantastic Four production rights could end up at another studio or production company. Or, they could revert to Marvel.
Of course, even if Marvel somehow reacquired the production rights, that doesn’t mean we would see an MCU Fantastic Four film anytime soon. A distribution deal with Universal Studios has effectively prevented Marvel Studios from making another Hulk-centric film, for instance. There’s no reason to believe Marvel and Fox would want to work together on the Fantastic Four.
Relations Between Fox and Marvel/Disney
While Marvel and Fox shared a very close relationship during the 1990s, things have gotten extraordinarily frosty in the past decade. With Marvel Studios bringing production in-house, Marvel changed from a licensor to a competitor.
Things have only chilled since then. In 2012, Marvel’s parent company, Disney, acquired Lucasfilm and simultaneously announced it would be producing and self-releasing new “Star Wars” films. “Star Wars,” a franchise so associated with Fox that the studio’s fanfare was regularly included in the films’ soundtracks, was understandably frustrated. Disney had effectively bought the studio’s biggest franchise out from under them, with Fox getting nothing to make up for the loss.
RELATED: Doctor Strange Director Wants to See Fantastic Four in MCU
To make matters worse, in 2013 Marvel announced a deal with Netflix that included Daredevil—a property Fox had controlled but let lapse in or about 2010. Rumors since have suggested that Fox will never again let another property revert to Marvel/Disney without getting something in return.
The four years since has seen a near constant barrage of rumors that Marvel is trying to sabotage Fox by downplaying X-Men comics, telling creators assigned to X-Men books that they cannot create original characters (since they would be in Fox’s control), and outright cancelling “Fantastic Four” months before the latest movie was released. Whether these rumors are true or merely a series of coincidences, they have increased tensions between Marvel and Fox.
Could We See a Deal Between Fox and Marvel Anyway?
But while relations between Marvel and Fox are particularly poor at the moment, there is still some remote hope for the Fantastic Four, especially since Fox does not really seem to care about the franchise in and of itself. Instead, Fox’s primary concern has been on the X-Men.
RELATED: Why Are All Fantastic Four Movies Doomed?
One possibility that is raised periodically is that Fox might be willing to give up the rights to the Fantastic Four in exchange for something X-Men related. With more and more superhero content moving to television, it’s possible we will someday see a swap, with Fox giving up the Fantastic Four in exchange for broader X-Men television rights, which for now have to be negotiated on a case-by-case basis with Marvel. But, as Marvel has increasingly used television as part of the MCU, it may be unwilling to cede any more rights to the lucrative X-Men franchise in exchange for the Fantastic Four. Personally, I don’t expect to see this happen anytime soon.
Another possibility is that after running down the clock again, relations between Marvel and Fox could improve enough by 2022 that a joint production deal—akin to the Spider-Man deal with Sony—could be a possibility. With the Fantastic Four being a particularly poor match for the X-Men franchise, there is a high possibility that Fox will have no better idea what to do with the franchise in 2022 than they did in 2015, and might just be willing to take 50% of whatever Marvel does with them as a consolation prize.
That said, Fox has next to zero incentive to strike a deal with Marvel until the current deal nears its expiration. While there is a decent chance the next Fantastic Four movie will be connected to the MCU, it is unlikely to be released before 2022.
OK but be fair Marvel Studios didn't START the cloud thing...
and I thought the face off between Strange and Dormmau was a high point in the movie
but I agree
I DO NOT WANT ANY MORE CLOUDS...
but what I am saying the ONE time Marvel Studios DID use a cloud?
They did it about as well as you could do it.
I don't think we have to worry about that...and even if they chose that route I would give them the benefit of the doubt before killing them for it.
Dormammu cloud >>>>> Galactus cloud
Notice the comic side has Norrin Radd's board.
D.C.................Man this is going to be live, this is what all those films have been leading up to cannot wait!!!!!!!
The only upcoming action movies that will rival this are:
The Godzilla movie in 2019 that will have Mothra, Rodan , and the world destroyer himself King Ghidorah.
King Kong vs. Godzilla in 2020.
The Godzilla movie in 2019 that will have Mothra, Rodan , and the world destroyer himself King Ghidorah.
King Kong vs. Godzilla in 2020.
it was aight - but instead of wasting Doramu in a cloud why not do the dark force dimension instead? They really missed the opportunity to truly establish how different the dimensions are and crack the door on multiverses
fuck all those clouds - Green Lantern too
Doomed: The Untold Story of Roger Corman's the Fantastic Four
http://vidto.me/by9un0gu3drh/Doomed...Fantastic.Four.2015.BDRip.x264-VoMiT.mkv.html
https://thevideo.me/cv251rgt2rfc
My brother
Well damn....Ok that is a good point
I love that Fox did this to themselves -
Maybe just maybe if they didn't fuck Lucas over on Red Tails - Lucas doesn't leave them out in the cold on LucasFilm sale
For sure if Rothman didn't show persistent hate over the last decade plus for genre films - it would have helped
Cant wait to see War Machine back.
BP fighting the Black Order.
Bucky with a new arm.
Cap in Nomad mode.
Iron spider!
Strange and Vision about to get fucked up.
Isnt there still a stone missing? Where it at?
BP fighting the Black Order.
Bucky with a new arm.
Cap in Nomad mode.
Iron spider!
Strange and Vision about to get fucked up.
Isnt there still a stone missing? Where it at?
Nuther option go after constantins parent company.
Constantin Film AG is a German film production and film distribution company, based in Munich, Germany.Wikipedia
Parent organization: Highlight Communications
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/darthfrosty/Screenshot_20170718-131156_zpseruqex8m.png
Photobucket bitch ass won't allow 3rd party but if you click on the link above you can see what the parent company is trading at.
Looks like 5 euros with a volume of 41K
Highlight Communications
Broadcasting company
Stock price: HLG (ETR)€5.11-0.03 (-0.62%)
Jul 18, 5:35 PM GMT+2 - Disclaimer
Headquarters: Pratteln, Switzerland
Founded: 1983
Real shit we need to band together like Jay Z did with tidal, buy the fucking parent company and essentially have a foothold into one of Marvel's key properties.
1st movie we do should be:
1st movie we do should be:
dude - I would become homeless to produce this movieReal shit we need to band together like Jay Z did with tidal, buy the fucking parent company and essentially have a foothold into one of Marvel's key properties.
1st movie we do should be:
king
genius scientist
and sorcerer
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