Mario Van Peebles Speaks on Spike & Tyler perry Beef

[Rick Ronson]

Im surprised at how many of you niggas are tolerant of bullshit.

Which is the main issue.

I would rather think you niggas just dont get it.

Ole "wut is we gon do " ass niggas.

Too many of you niggas which means we cant look
forward to any major change anytime soon.



Read this thread you will understand why shit is the way it is.

 

[geechiedan]

I guess it's my fault for not dumbing it down... which I won't do.

cultivate your audience like Tyler Perry did and you won't have to worry about that..

 

[hollywood310]

cultivate your audience and you won't have to worry about that..

Dont worry I am...

you seem to have a lot of answers... are you arm chair quarterbacking or in the game...

 

[Nemesis Prime]

peace, Are we still going on the assumption that will smith and denzel movies are not considered "black". Do all black movies have to be directed and produced by black people? Because they both do a variety of sci-fi, action, comedy type movies without "cooning"

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

]I have several projects in the works (books) that hopefully don't get raped and turned into white-washed characters. [/B] Because of Tyler Perry-type movies, and the supporters, I would probably have to change the character's of my book into white people if I really wanted it to take off because: A: We don't want to see us outside of certain stereotypical roles that we now seem to own and B: White people don't want to see that either. Most of my themes are fantasy, sci-fi, mystery, and horror. None of which seem to be done by TP or Hollywood, and all which are lacking as far as casting Black characters. The TPDs are probably mostly people with no imagination or ambition, people who don't care as long as they are entertained by some ignorant shit, or people who see Blacks the way they are portrayed in his films/live with/around them

You better do the J.K.Rowling route when Warner Brothers wanted to do Harry Potter,they wanted to hire whites from this country and she stopped that immediately...Im not saying its the same situation but if you're gonna have your book adapted into a movie...Make sure you put your foot down because these movie companies will ruin your shit...

Hollywood,have no ideas now and they are getting their material from anime,books,and other material....

But I do agree that Hollywood will try to whitewashed your shit ask the people who hated the movie "The Last Airbender"

yeah man, i'm writing one movie now and it will probably be the only movie i will try to get made and i'm gonna send it to black film studios/production houses so i can keep as much control over it as i can.

my main medium will be books as well, u keep more control that way...im gonna make sure when my book deal is being written i keep control over tv and film productions and i'm gonna be explicit that tyler perry and uwe boll are banned from bidding on any of the properties either directly or indirectly...i'm working hard to get my shit out and i won't be cool with it being white washed or coon'd up.

it's a struggle out there to make good black media these studios all want tyler perry like crap or black "white" characters...

be careful, tyler might decide to make a sci fi movie with madea called madea goes to the moon... the opening line with be " Thank YERR JESUS! *smacks mr. brown who is dancing like a coon b/c he's on a space ship* oooh loook PLUTERRR!!!" enter normal sounding black person..."u mean pluto madea" ...madea gives him a death stare and attempts to assault him " That's what i said jackass! PLUTERRR!!'

than all the tpd's will bust a gut laughing as any attempt at black sci fi will die tooo

c/s

 

[geechiedan]

Dont worry I am...

you seem to have a lot of answers... are you arm chair quarterbacking or in the game...

I'm struggling to come up in the entertainment industry like you are (I write as well)...I just don't see Tyler perry as an obstacle for me..

 

[Devilstrider]

 

[geechiedan]

peace, Are we still going on the assumption that will smith and denzel movies are not considered "black". Do all black movies have to be directed and produced by black people? Because they both do a variety of sci-fi, action, comedy type movies without "cooning"

Does having one black person in a film make it a black movie?

what is a "black movie" in the first place..

I personally hate that term since it automatically segregates in people minds what the project is and who it is for... I want my movie to appeal to everyone across the board..not just one group. Thats why I have a problem with all this "Black" this and "Black" that..just pt your shit out there and let whoever wants to buy it or buy into it do that.

Is star wars a white movie? how about the hangover? white people don't make "white movies" they just make movies and WE ALL go to see them...

One time I saw an ad for writers and it said "must be able to tell a story from a black or latino perspective"..well I don't know how to tell a story from a "black perspective" I just write stories with black people in them. I'm black EVERYTHING I DO AND AM is automatically from a black perspective.

When a writer starts thinking "how would a black guy respond to this situation?" is exactly the moment exaggeration and stereotyping begins... the idea of "black cinema" automatically starts from the position of HERE'S SOME BLACK PEOPLE AND WATCH HOW THEY ACT DIFFERENTLY FROM YOU.

Just write a story with black people in it and leave it at that.

 

[followup]

I have several projects in the works (books) that hopefully don't get raped and turned into white-washed characters. Because of Tyler Perry-type movies, and the supporters, I would probably have to change the character's of my book into white people if I really wanted it to take off because: A: We don't want to see us outside of certain stereotypical roles that we now seem to own and B: White people don't want to see that either. Most of my themes are fantasy, sci-fi, mystery, and horror. None of which seem to be done by TP or Hollywood, and all which are lacking as far as casting Black characters. The TPDs are probably mostly people with no imagination or ambition, people who don't care as long as they are entertained by some ignorant shit, or people who see Blacks the way they are portrayed in his films/live with/around them

your statement is exactly why you will fail. Why not create your own product and worry about that? There were movies made by black folks before Tyler Perry. His existence should not determine yours. Do you!!! Hopefully you will stop focusing on Tyler Perry and others and create something for us too. I don't love everything by Tyler Perry and will be the first to say his plays are still terrible. But you know what? His films are much better than his plays and he has worked hard to get where he is. Maybe if you do the same, one day you will have haters too

 

[Rick Ronson]

I'm struggling to come up in the entertainment industry like you are (I write as well)...I just don't see Tyler perry as an obstacle for me..

wish you success but time will tell bro

 

[SmoothD]

I personally thought these TP movies would have run its course by now Its the same stuff being rehashed over and over again, and yet people line up to see it like Lemmings . MVP made some very valid points .

 

[followup]

I personally thought these TP movies would have run its course by now Its the same stuff being rehashed over and over again, and yet people line up to see it like Lemmings . MVP made some very valid points .

And why do you think that is?
(keep in mind that black people lined up to see films like "Love Jones", "Do The Right Thing", "Boyz In the Hood", and every single film like it that has ever been made)...

 

[hollywood310]

I'm struggling to come up in the entertainment industry like you are (I write as well)...I just don't see Tyler perry as an obstacle for me..

Dig it...

 

[geechiedan]

I personally thought these TP movies would have run its course by now Its the same stuff being rehashed over and over again, and yet people line up to see it like Lemmings . MVP made some very valid points .

dude we're 25 YEARS into pants sagging which is prison culture or as I call it NEO SLAVERY (shit whats next pickaninny wear?)..and youre worried about Tyler Perry???

When young black men free their minds up enough to pull their pants up then we can talk about the effects of tyler perry films on the black community..

 

[Olosi]

This......

Did you actually listen to the video? This is exactly what Mario is saying.

 

[geechiedan]

here's a question...

why does TP get hate while martin and wayans get a pass and theyve done the same thing??

 

[followup]

here's a question...

why does TP get hate while martin and wayans get a pass and theyve done the same thing??

because black people (as a group) have short-term and selective memory...that's why we own nothing and keep getting taken for fools (as exhibited in this and many other threads).

Martin had TWO cross dressing movies before Tyler Perry. Jamie Foxx was playing Wanda almost 20 years before and Shenene about 10 years before...The Wayans? enough said because half of the Wayans brothers have cross dressed on TV and big screen.

 

[geechiedan]

because black people (as a group) have short-term and selective memory...that's why we own nothing and keep getting taken for fools (as exhibited in this and many other threads).

Martin had TWO cross dressing movies before Tyler Perry. Jamie Foxx was playing Wanda almost 20 years before and Shenene about 10 years before...The Wayans? enough said because half of the Wayans brothers have cross dressed on TV and big screen.

and ALL of it could be considered "cooning" but for some reason NOW tyler perry is the only guy who is singled handedly dragging black people back 50 years..

 

[followup]

and ALL of it could be considered "cooning" but for some reason NOW tyler perry is the only guy who is singled handedly dragging black people back 50 years..

right. and sadly, the things these people are accusing him of he's not even doing...I would take some of them more seriously if they spoke from a knowledgeable and objective view. But they are making assumptions and speaking out of their ass. I had seen 2 of his plays on DVD and decided I did not need to see his films. It was when I was over at a friend's house and saw one of his movies where I saw that the quality and writing were much better than his plays. Not saying he is the greatest ever, but he is doing a lot more positive things for black people in film (on and off camera) than any single one of us in this thread and arguably more than Spike, Mario Van Peebles, or any other film maker has ever done or will ever be able to do.

EDIT: and you are damn right about cooning and making a fool out of themselves for a buck. Others who got passes are Dave Chappelle & Aaron McGruder. I feel like their use of ******/nigga in shows that were mainstream have done more damage to our communities than anything Tyler Perry has put out. And I think that Dave Chappelle is hilarious and I was a fan of the Boondocks comic strip. I feel like they had incredible platforms and they misused it...but nobody says anything about that either

 

[hollywood310]

here's a question...

why does TP get hate while martin and wayans get a pass and theyve done the same thing??

good question. Maybe because in both cases they were already established names before the cross dressing (if thats what you're referring to). I think the public maybe tired of the cross dressing gimmick, which is why big mamas house 3 didn't do shit.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

because black people (as a group) have short-term and selective memory...that's why we own nothing and keep getting taken for fools (as exhibited in this and many other threads).

Martin had TWO cross dressing movies before Tyler Perry. Jamie Foxx was playing Wanda almost 20 years before and Shenene about 10 years before...The Wayans? enough said because half of the Wayans brothers have cross dressed on TV and big screen.

Never understood the love for Shenene and Wanda. The sight of Shenene on screen use to make me cringe. Martin use to do it as a cheap and easy laugh, but if you say you didn't like the show, you get called a sellout or coon when Martin was the one that was cooning. Medea is tame compared to Shenene and Wanda. It will be interesting to see the reaction if Foxx gets that movie made...

 

[geechiedan]

right. and sadly, the things these people are accusing him of he's not even doing...I would take some of them more seriously if they spoke from a knowledgeable and objective view. But they are making assumptions and speaking out of their ass. I had seen 2 of his plays on DVD and decided I did not need to see his films. It was when I was over at a friend's house and saw one of his movies where I saw that the quality and writing were much better than his plays. Not saying he is the greatest ever, but he is doing a lot more positive things for black people in film (on and off camera) than any single one of us in this thread and arguably more than Spike, Mario Van Peebles, or any other film maker has ever done or will ever be able to do.

the only complaint I have about Tyler Perry is the same complaint I have about all of them...why hasn't Perry and Spike and Oprah and Denzel and Will Smith and Van Peeples and all of them gotten together and created consortium so that a diverse range of stories can get made? At this point in american history and certainly in filmaking history this is the most powerful set of black people we've seen so far and yet there;s no cooperation on a grand scale between any of them.

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

Tyler Perry is a homo.

A successful homo.

Dudes are upset because he's profiting off of negative portrayals of them, and they can't relate to him.

Otherwise, every rap thread would have the same kind of turnout as TP threads, because it's not like you all are on here discussing positive rappers. The only time niggas get on that 'We need to control our image shit' is when some non-hood/down individual is behind the portrayal.

Black men: Our image was destroyed before Tyler Perry knew he wanted to do PLAYS. They NEVER liked us, and acting like TP going away is going to solve something is fucking laughable.

The world thinks we suck. You all spend day after day talking about dudes who portray Black males AND females in a negative light. Women are called bitches for being female. Black men are called niggas for being Black males.


The hypocrisy is so manifold that you should just come out and admit that your issue isn't with the work of TP, but the man himself.


It's like cranrab saying he doesn't hate Kobe, he just thinks he's overrated. GTFOH!!

 

[Rick Ronson]

here's a question...

why does TP get hate while martin and wayans get a pass and theyve done the same thing??

as moms used to say


dont get cute

 

[geechiedan]

as moms used to say


dont get cute

as grandma used to say..it ain't right but its tight

 

[Silencer]

right. and sadly, the things these people are accusing him of he's not even doing...I would take some of them more seriously if they spoke from a knowledgeable and objective view. But they are making assumptions and speaking out of their ass. I had seen 2 of his plays on DVD and decided I did not need to see his films. It was when I was over at a friend's house and saw one of his movies where I saw that the quality and writing were much better than his plays. Not saying he is the greatest ever, but he is doing a lot more positive things for black people in film (on and off camera) than any single one of us in this thread and arguably more than Spike, Mario Van Peebles, or any other film maker has ever done or will ever be able to do.

Kind of a ridiculous statement.

 

[Artist Monk]

because black people (as a group) have short-term and selective memory...that's why we own nothing and keep getting taken for fools (as exhibited in this and many other threads).

Martin had TWO cross dressing movies before Tyler Perry. Jamie Foxx was playing Wanda almost 20 years before and Shenene about 10 years before...The Wayans? enough said because half of the Wayans brothers have cross dressed on TV and big screen.

Answer to your question would be, no internet like we have now (56k) in any black households 20+ years ago, nothing to go viral overnight, folks still went outside and all that.

Secondly with Black shows so few and far inbetween folks took the "coonery" as entertainment as we all knew what country we lived in. Didn't define us as a whole. Now black folks as a whole seem to only respond to what is dangled in front of us, to those who this doesn't apply to, you already know.

My thing is not the buffonery or cross dressing, Sidney and Cosby did it ages ago, it's the fact that he makes the same movie over and over again in my opinion. That's what folks should be pissed about, but to each his own.

 

[followup]

good question. Maybe because in both cases they were already established names before the cross dressing (if thats what you're referring to). I think the public maybe tired of the cross dressing gimmick, which is why big mamas house 3 didn't do shit.

No. Big Mama's House 3 was not successful because BMH2 was lame and BMH3 was not bringing anything new to the table.

Never understood the love for Shenene and Wanda. The sight of Shenene on screen use to make me cringe. Martin use to do it as a cheap and easy laugh, but if you say you didn't like the show, you get called a sellout or coon when Martin was the one that was cooning. Medea is tame compared to Shenene and Wanda. It will be interesting to see the reaction if Foxx gets that movie made...

Exactly. Man, I don't know if that Wanda/Shenene movie will ever get made. As much as people try to claim that hollywood wants black men to be seen as gay, we just don't really see it. we'll see

the only complaint I have about Tyler Perry is the same complaint I have about all of them...why hasn't Perry and Spike and Oprah and Denzel and Will Smith and Van Peeples and all of them gotten together and created consortium so that a diverse range of stories can get made? At this point in american history and certainly in filmaking history this is the most powerful set of black people we've seen so far and yet there;s no cooperation on a grand scale between any of them.

To me, he hasn't been around long enough for us to know what he is going to do with his power and studio...hell some of the same people in the film industry so ready to hate him probably could benefit from working with him. Now Will Smith, Mario van peebles, Spike Lee, the Hughes brothers, John Singleton, etc. I can't speak for because all of them are seasoned film makers and had decades to build something if they felt so strongly about it. I give Oprah a pass because she has produced some excellent film BY and ABOUT black folks, but film is not even her thing...

Tyler Perry is a homo.

A successful homo.

Dudes are upset because he's profiting off of negative portrayals of them, and they can't relate to him.

Otherwise, every rap thread would have the same kind of turnout as TP threads, because it's not like you all are on here discussing positive rappers. The only time niggas get on that 'We need to control our image shit' is when some non-hood/down individual is behind the portrayal.

Black men: Our image was destroyed before Tyler Perry knew he wanted to do PLAYS. They NEVER liked us, and acting like TP going away is going to solve something is fucking laughable.

The world thinks we suck. You all spend day after day talking about dudes who portray Black males AND females in a negative light. Women are called bitches for being female. Black men are called niggas for being Black males.

The hypocrisy is so manifold that you should just come out and admit that your issue isn't with the work of TP, but the man himself.

It's like cranrab saying he doesn't hate Kobe, he just thinks he's overrated. GTFOH!!

You are only partially right. He does not portray any one group of people as good or bad. he has shown both black men AND women in negative characters because that is reality. Black men are not the big bad boogie man in Tyler Perry films. He portrays real life situations that all can relate to. As well, he has depicted white men and women in negative characters too. Every film has a protagonist and antagonist--and he does not favor one group over another. For every negative image of a black man, he has 3 or 4 positive black men PER FILM. Now how people feel about who he fucks should have nothing to do with his actual work. So outside of black men not being able to relate to his characters (which is bullshit if you've ever seen one of his films) and him being gay (which I've only seen him with beautiful women that BGOLers drool over), I agree with the rest of your statement.

Kind of a ridiculous statement.

well...they were around more than 20 years before Tyler Perry went mainstream, so if they were going to do it wouldn't they have done it by now? They each have a few films that are classics, but changing the face of black film and making opportunities for others? I don't think so...

 

[bgbtylvr]

There are simply too many "niggaz" to support any intellectual spin on comedy. Niggaz love to not think, and to no create anything new. That is why rap can have the same samples, same topics, and same format by the same producers and be a hit. It's why our relationships do not last, and why our family structure is null and void. As a race, we simply prefer the easy shit. We REFUSE to break stereotypes. We refuse to step up anything but our wardrobes and ability to complain.

 

[followup]

My thing is not the buffonery or cross dressing, Sidney and Cosby did it ages ago, it's the fact that he makes the same movie over and over again in my opinion. That's what folks should be pissed about, but to each his own.

He absolutely does not. Outside of the two "Why Did I Get Married" films, none of his films are the same. Even the films that madea character appears in are different. It's that one character that is the same and most of the time, Madea's appearances are brief and minimal and the story centers on other characters

 

[geechiedan]

Answer to your question would be, no internet like we have now (56k) in any black households 20+ years ago, nothing to go viral overnight, folks still went outside and all that.

I agree with this...

Secondly with Black shows so few and far inbetween folks took the "coonery" as entertainment as we all knew what country we lived in. Didn't define us as a whole. Now black folks as a whole seem to only respond to what is dangled in front of us, to those who this doesn't apply to, you already know.

I disagree... after the Cosby show there was increase in black sitcoms that didn't play to so called stereotypes. Plus it makes no sense that 25 years ago we could ignore the coonery stuff but today we're so sensitive to it. And EVERYONE responds to what is dangled in front of them..if they didn't reality TV wouldn't exist today...

My thing is not the buffonery or cross dressing, Sidney and Cosby did it ages ago, it's the fact that he makes the same movie over and over again in my opinion. That's what folks should be pissed about, but to each his own.

really???

MAKE IT STOP!! MAKE IT STOP!!

 

[unknownsoldier]

here's a question...

why does TP get hate while martin and wayans get a pass and theyve done the same thing??

Why would they? Moma Paine or Shenenne were spot characters that weren't on every show. The main characters on his tv show was a successful local DJ with a professional girlfriend-wife. The BM franchise at it's heart is about a FBI agent undercover as a woman. Slightly different from TP.

 

[geechiedan]

Why would they? Moma Paine or Shenenne were spot characters that weren't on every show. The main characters on his tv show was a successful local DJ with a professional girlfriend-wife. The BM franchise at it's heart is about a FBI agent undercover as a woman. Slightly different from TP.

as far as TP's tv shows are concerned from what I understand medea is on rarely and not every TP film has medea in it.. in fact I read complaints in reviews for medea goes to jail that she was in it for all of 15 minutes and people felt like it was a bait and switch. so as far as exposure is concerned its not all medea all the time.

As far as characterization goes..martin has said in interviews that his mama paine and shenana characters were amalgams of women he knows..TP has said the same thing in interviews as well..

Mama Paine and big momma - take no shit black mothers with a penchant for violence.

Medea - take no shit black mother with a penchant for violence.

Martin gets a pass
Perry gets the blame

 

[Midnight Studio Comics]

blacks are afraid to challenge the entertainment industry. they live by a " if it aint broke dont fix it" attitude. Its probably more convulted than what is stated here, however its not just TP, its the entire presentation in general. You cant just blame one man, the culture is to blame.

 

[RoomService]

was what she was saying a lie...did gangster rap have a negative affect on the black community and disrespect black women?

yes or no?

yes it did