Mac or PC - Which do you use?

Which platform do you use/like most?

  • MAC

    Votes: 70 32.7%
  • PC

    Votes: 87 40.7%
  • BOTH

    Votes: 57 26.6%

  • Total voters
    214
The "dying-breed" comment was just me being a smartass. Outlaw is a cool dude and he's pretty funny so I just threw that his way. I know perfectly well that its going to take a very long time for Mac OSX to overtake any Windows-based OS. I also agree, as do most people, that the virus problem will become a huge issue once Mac becomes a bigger player, if they ever become a bigger player. You did educate me on something. You mention that the same way I could get a Mac and put a Windows-based OS on it is the same way that I can get a PC and put OSX on it. So that means that I could, in fact, jump on a Lenovo and put OSX on it then? If yes, that greatly simplifies my decision. I would have the best of both worlds right there; the desireable OSX and the tank Lenovo Thinkpad. Is this the case? Would I be able to do that? If yes, then you just gave me new hope, Ensabah. Thanks.


The answer to your question is yes you can do that.
 
I'm running with the PC right now because I have to work with programs (web design) that are best with the PC. I have had Ubuntu for a good minute but haven't used it that much because I've been so busy with work. There are some good web design programs for Ubuntu, but the copy/paste feature doesn't work as well as Windows programs.

For those that have tried out the Mac OS X on a PC, how is the performance on it (ignoring the missing drivers)?
 
The "dying-breed" comment was just me being a smartass. Outlaw is a cool dude and he's pretty funny so I just threw that his way. I know perfectly well that its going to take a very long time for Mac OSX to overtake any Windows-based OS. I also agree, as do most people, that the virus problem will become a huge issue once Mac becomes a bigger player, if they ever become a bigger player. You did educate me on something. You mention that the same way I could get a Mac and put a Windows-based OS on it is the same way that I can get a PC and put OSX on it. So that means that I could, in fact, jump on a Lenovo and put OSX on it then? If yes, that greatly simplifies my decision. I would have the best of both worlds right there; the desireable OSX and the tank Lenovo Thinkpad. Is this the case? Would I be able to do that? If yes, then you just gave me new hope, Ensabah. Thanks.

someone posted recently a how to and review of installing mac os x on pc.



performance is the question.
 
The answer to your question is yes you can do that.

Then it would appear my decision is simple . . . THINKPAD. Let me ask you this, what kind of strain does having both programs put on the laptop's RAM and/or battery life? TP2001 poses the same question. Can anyone answer that? Hey Jagi, where can I find that "how to thread?" I tried using the search function but came up empty.
 
I'm running with the PC right now because I have to work with programs (web design) that are best with the PC. I have had Ubuntu for a good minute but haven't used it that much because I've been so busy with work. There are some good web design programs for Ubuntu, but the copy/paste feature doesn't work as well as Windows programs.

For those that have tried out the Mac OS X on a PC, how is the performance on it (ignoring the missing drivers)?

Can't really say how well it does performance wise, because only did it just to see if it could work. It was posted all over the place about doing it, so I tried it. I didn't run any benchmarks software on it. You have to use VMware for the drivers for hardware that Macs don't usually run. I didn't keep it, cause I don't really use OSX for anything. If I was a Photoshop or music maker, I would get more use out of it. I'm use to Windows, can't say I had any of the problems that a lot of people said they had. Guess I'm one of the lucky ones.

PEACE!!!!!
 
Then it would appear my decision is simple . . . THINKPAD. Let me ask you this, what kind of strain does having both programs put on the laptop's RAM and/or battery life? TP2001 poses the same question. Can anyone answer that? Hey Jagi, where can I find that "how to thread?" I tried using the search function but came up empty.
Brief instructions on how to do it.
First of all, you can’t install OS X on a new partition, it needs it’s own drive. For this guide Im installing it on my Sony Vaio TR2A. Since I only have one harddrive, it means I’m wiping windows and all my files in the process. You can easily follow the same steps but instead install it on a second harddrive in your PC. Here is how I have succesfully install OS X x86 NATIVELY on my laptop!

First of all, I think your CPU needs at LEAST sse2. For rosetta and to get itunes and other ppc apps working, you need sse3. My vaio has a Pentuim M, so no rosetta for me. Everything else works. Im posting this from the OS X x86 port of Firefox Wink

1. Download “VMWare files for patched Mac OS X Tiger Intel” from your favorite torrent site. (Hint: Use the search function).

2. Copy tiger-x86-flat.img from the archive to an external USB drive (it’s 6gb)

3. Download Ubuntu Live CD (link) … be sure you get the “Live CD”!!

4. Burn the ubuntu iso, stick it in your pc, and boot it! (make sure you have your bios set to boot to CD)

5. Once ubuntu boots and the gui finally comes up, hook up the USB drive you copied the 6gb image to. A window should pop up showing the contents of the drive. Take note of where its mounted. It should be /Devices/Yourdrivesvolumename

6. Open a terminal window and cd to that directory (/Devices/Yourdrivesvolumename). Do an “ls” to make sure you are in the right place (you should see the 6gb img file.

7. In the terminal window type:

dd bs=1048576 if=./tiger-x86-flat.img of=/dev/hda

Replace hda with the correct drive! If you only have one drive, its probably hda. Thats what mine was. You are about to erase this entire drive so make sure youve got it right and make sure you want to do this! Hit enter. It takes a while… took my vaio about 9 minutes.

8. When it’s done, remove the ubuntu disc and shut down the pc. Disconnect your usb drive. Thats it! When you power it back on, OS X should boot!

For whatever reason, mine hangs when its loading. If this happens to you, boot with the -x option (hit a button at the darwin screen when you boot your pc. enter “-x” and hit enter). Should work without any problems, and I dont see any restrictions being in safe mode.

You’ll notice there is a login screen, and you dont know the password! This image was created by “deadmoo” and we can easily change his password. Reboot the machine again. Again, hit a button at the darwin screen. This time type “-v” and hit enter. At the command prompt screen type:

sh /bin/sh
passwd curtis
(change the password to what you like)

passwd deadmoo
(change the passwrod to what you like)

Done! Now reboot once more, and again use the “-x” option. Everything should boot, and at the login screen enter your new password.

WELCOME TO THE OS X x86 CLUB! Look ma, no vmware!

Note: If you are installing this in a PC and have multiple drives, you dont need to use an external drive or linux distro. Simply dd the image in the same manner to any physical drive in your pc, and when its done boot to that drive and it should work. For windows users, there is a port of dd for windows you can use here.

I messed around with this in vmware before installing natively, and I can tell you running it native is a million times faster! Its full speed. USB works, ethernet works, all the x86 software works. Enjoy!

PEACE!!!!!
 
Brief instructions on how to do it.


PEACE!!!!!

Ensabahnur, thank you very much. You really did a great job with finding and posting the intructions. It would appear that the Mac has a slight advantage because you can actually load Windows onto a partition. It would not need its own hard drive in order to run on OSX.
 
EnSabahNur good looks on the tutorial to install Mac OS X on the PC. I will try it out over the next couple of days and give my take on it...

I will look into installing windws on a Mac also :yes:
 
Ensabahnur, thank you very much. You really did a great job with finding and posting the intructions. It would appear that the Mac has a slight advantage because you can actually load Windows onto a partition. It would not need its own hard drive in order to run on OSX.

Not really, thats only one way of putting OSX on a PC. There are several ways hackers will put it on a PC. OSX was hacked during the planning stages before it was released. Before Intel chips where released in Macs, they still had to use plenty of beta testers and software programmers from in the company and out of the company(which is how the hackers got their hands on the TPM).
It was a big article on it a year or two ago about it in WIRED magazine.
Now the hacked version of OSx86 is running on Dell laptops and other PCs with Intel and AMD microprocessors.

"Mileage varies depending on what kind of hardware you're using, but it (OSx86) is working on several PCs," said "Mashugly," a college student majoring in communications who manages the OSx86 Project, a community of developers interested in the new operating system.

No one knows exactly why OSx86 appears to be running faster on the PCs than the Mac OS does on today's Macs.
The hacked OSx86 bypasses a chip, the Trusted Platform Module, or TPM, that is intended to prevent the system from running on ordinary PCs.

"We have even gone so far as to remove the TPM kernel extension called AppleTPMACPI.kext entirely," said cmoski.

The impact of the OSx86 hack on Apple's hardware brand could be severe.

The hack shows that Steve Jobs' company will be turning out machines indistinguishable from any other PC, or "white box," said German hacker Michael "mist" Steil.

"Apple wants to avoid the word getting out that (MacIntels) are just PCs, and that (OSx86) works on PCs," said Steil.
The hackers suspect Apple wanted to demonstrate the weaknesses of TPM security, and may have plans to license its operating system to PC makers eventually.

"Perhaps Steve Jobs wants to be able to tell Apple shareholders, 'Hey, I tried,' before he licenses the operating system (to other manufacturers)," said Mashugly.

It seems like getting around the TPM wasn't that hard, according to a hacker nicknamed "parch," who said, "Apple could have made the lock heavier."

PEACE!!!!!
 
:D PC all the way.

I hate Macs and here is why.

1. Macs windows is hard to espand. Damn shit does not even take up the entire monitor

2. The MAC mouse feels like a brick

3. Can't understand or better yet can't even upgrade a MAC by yourself.

4. To get a MAC upgraded it costs an arm and a leg with another person's arm and a leg to get it upgraded.

5. Programs take forever and I mean forever to come on a MAC. By the time an IBM PC program comes out it will be at least 6 months to a year to get the same program for a MAC.

6. Want to find parts for a MAC? Shit, better rob a bank or your best friend becaue you will be paying big money.

7. Gettin MAC parts are hard as hell because the executives at MAC don't want them widely distributed so they can cheat your ass over and over and over again.

8. Can't build your own MAC.

9. MACS focus too much on the artistic bullshit. I want praticality, not art.

10. MAC keyboards are flat and hard to use.


Basically MACS SUCK
 
I use PCs and Mac Pros at work, but at home I'm strictly a PC man. As I said in another thread, the Mac Pro is a cold motherfucker, but, loaded, that bitch cost as much as a low-end car. I like to replace my computers every two years, one year the laptop, the next year the desktop. If I went the Mac route, I'd have to hold onto them for much longer to justify the price.

I'm about to buy a multiple Amd Phenom quad-core PC as I write this. It will cost about half of what a similarly equipped Mac Pro would cost. Now, if someone else is footing the bill, then I'd go with the Mac... but I'd still be running XP and 64bit Ubuntu Gutsy on it.
 
EnSabahNur good looks on the tutorial to install Mac OS X on the PC. I will try it out over the next couple of days and give my take on it...

I will look into installing windws on a Mac also :yes:
Good luck, hope you get good results on both systems. I'm still waiting on the sideline with AMD to take full advantage of their SPIDER PLATFORM, before I build a new system. I think I've decided on most of the parts I will go with. Also, think about doing a mod case as well(1st time).

PEACE!!!!!
 
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I'm about to buy a multiple Amd Phenom quad-core PC as I write this. It will cost about half of what a similarly equipped Mac Pro would cost. Now, if someone else is footing the bill, then I'd go with the Mac... but I'd still be running XP and 64bit Ubuntu Gutsy on it.


You a smart man. Get a good ASUS brand motherboard with at least 8GB RAM capacity to give that good AMD Phenom Quad Processor some respect.

Good choices.

Hey also get a decent case. I got a silver Kingwin case that has blue lights. Man that case lights up so brightly it looks like divine relevalation at night.
 
Also, don't really buy into the topic of how much RAM either OS can use. Windows can use more RAM if need be, just have to unlock it in 32bit OSes.
Microsoft Operating System Memory Support
The various Microsoft operating system releases and different versions of those releases support a
varied maximum amount of physical memory. Below is a chart listing this maximum memory
support:
Microsoft Operating System Maximum Physical Memory Supported
Windows* 2000 Professional 4 GB
Windows 2000 Server 4 GB
Windows 2000 Advanced Server 8 GB
Windows 2000 Datacenter Server 32 GB
Windows XP Professional 4 GB
Windows XP 64 bit Edition 32 GB
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition 2 GB
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition 4 GB
Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition 32 GB
Windows Server 2003 Datacenter Edition 64 GB
Windows Server 2003 Enterprise 64-bit Edition 64 GB
Windows Server 2003 Datacenter 64-bit Edition 512 GB
The memory support information, above, was gathered from a number of public Microsoft web
pages. They are listed here:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/features/compareeditions.mspx#2ram
http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/64bit/evaluation/overviews/extended.mspx
If you plan on using After Effects & PS, here is a quick tutorial for XP Pro...http://generalspecialist.com/tutorials/ae7_ram.html

PEACE!!!!!
 
I use Both. :yes:

For what I do with it a MAC + Vmware Fusion (XP SP3 image) = :dance:

I only bought a MAC for the OS. If the OS was legally available for PC's, then I would not have bought a MAC. :hmm:
I think OS X at this moment is better in terms of ease of use compared to XP/Vista.
I have less to explain to Moms. :lol:
 
I use both. We have PC's at work, but I have a Mac. If I were to suggest one or the other, especially to the creative people out there, there is only one choice....

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...All day, everyday!!!
 
PC

No, I don't have any particular reasons why. Always have, and right now I'm sticking with it. I guess kinda like people supporting Billary Clinton. :rolleyes:
 
If you are graphic designer or need a computer for a specific purspose then a mac is needed. For a casual user pc all the way. I have had xp and even the dreaded ME. I had no real problems with either of those OS. Seems to me everything you want as far as programs and drivers are more readily available. Mac users who cry about viruses need to stop kidding themselves. I am sure if mac mattered on any real stage in the computing market. There will be a whole industry whose sole purpose was to find flaws in the mac os pop up and macs will have viruses written for it as well. Or if the ass clowns who think writing viruses and and hacking people were not using macs their damn selves......................
 
:D PC all the way.

I hate Macs and here is why.

1. Macs windows is hard to espand. Damn shit does not even take up the entire monitor

Hmmm, sounds like somebody never used a Mac, start here jackass http://www.apple.com/support/mac101/tour/

2. The MAC mouse feels like a brick

Hmm, funny Apple hating CNET said this about the mighty mouse, "Attractive design; scroll ball is comfortable and easy to use; works with Windows and Mac systems; integration with Tiger is flawless."

. Can't understand or better yet can't even upgrade a MAC by yourself.
Wrong again, every mac manual has self service instructions, damn nigga, like the commericals said,
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4. To get a MAC upgraded it costs an arm and a leg with another person's arm and a leg to get it upgraded.

yeah i guess memory from crucial/kingston, etc and those pesky sata HDD's are a bitch to replace aint they, wait a minute, dont Mac's use intel chips? and PC components now? Hmm again Jackass,
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5. Programs take forever and I mean forever to come on a MAC. By the time an IBM PC program comes out it will be at least 6 months to a year to get the same program for a MAC.
An IBM PC? when the last time IBM made a pc, they sold them offf some time ago, friend, as far as Dev cycles go, you are correct, when some PC apps come to Mac, they get better, ask Microsoft, the worlds largest non Apple Developer. Many Mac users never have an issue, becuase there are more than suitable replacements on the Mac side for any applications on Windows. But better yet, you can run those bitches on your mac, faster than on a PC, remember? If not, we'll provide a refresher.

6. Want to find parts for a MAC? Shit, better rob a bank or your best friend becaue you will be paying big money.

Again, same parts, non issue.

7. Gettin MAC parts are hard as hell because the executives at MAC don't want them widely distributed so they can cheat your ass over and over and over again.
Again, an idiots folly, wrote the same shit 3 times to make an argument.

8. Can't build your own MAC.
Funny, cant build your own bus either can you? There's a reason why macs just work, because they are built to last and have proven themselves over the long haul. I challenge you, go to ebay and price a mac from 2000 and compare a comparable PC from 2000, and when you see the price difference you'll understand, they hold their value better over more time.

9. MACS focus too much on the artistic bullshit. I want praticality, not art.
Ever heard of Walt Mossberg? Read the WSJ or Wikipedia him and you'll walk slowly from the cloud of ignorance you've obviously walked into. Back in 10/2005, he wrote,

"APPLE'S MACINTOSH COMPUTERS claim only a tiny share of the overall PC market, but they are getting more consideration from Windows users thinking of switching than at any time in many years. The daunting security problems that have plagued Windows have also prompted many of its users to take a serious look at the Mac. ...As a result, Mac sales, while still relatively small, have been growing much faster than overall personal computer sales. Are you among the PC majority considering a switch to the Mac? Then you probably have some important questions.

Q: How do Macs compare in quality with Windows PCs?

I believe that, at the moment, Apple makes the best computers, and the best operating system, for mainstream consumers doing typical tasks — email, web surfing, office-productivity functions such as word processing and presentations, photo organizing and editing, playing and collecting music, and editing home video.

Of all the major computer makers, Apple is the most focused on consumers and small businesses. Most make the bulk of their money, and take most of their cues, from the information-technology departments of large corporations.

Apple's iMac G5 consumer desktop is, in my opinion, the single best home computer on the market. Its PowerBook laptops are among the top portables."


10. MAC keyboards are flat and hard to use.
Arstechnica, highly regarded website, advises:

"The most subjective aspect of a keyboard review—and one that is largely worthless unless the reader is a twin or clone of the author—is how it feels. Having disclaimed that, the Apple Wireless Keyboard feels good. I find the keys to be responsive, but then as my wife says—occasionally screams—I have a very light touch. However, the Apple Wireless Keyboard is probably not for someone with sausage fingers and/or poor motor skills. Regarding ergonomics, the keyboard is flat, not curved, not adjustable, the keys flat, not beveled, short strokes the norm, tactile response lacking compared to buckling springs and mechanical switches. Some will say this does not a real keyboard make, but does it matter?

If the layout change and the removal of the keypad doesn’t make it obvious, laptops are the future. By moving toward design unity, Apple is once again getting ahead of the curve. As with every transition, a small minority will hate the change, but you really should at least try hating it in person first. You need to try the Apple Wireless Keyboard, or USB version, at a local Apple Store—where you will likely be disgusted by how filthy the keys are—but at least you will know."

Frank Wilson, you good sir are an ignorant man.

As of 08/2007, MOSSBERG has advised:
"If you install Boot Camp on a well-equipped Mac model, it can become a blazing fast Vista computer. A few days ago I bought a top-of-the-line model of Apple’s new iMac line, and installed Boot Camp and Vista. I then tested the machine using Vista’s built-in Windows Experience Index, a rating system that goes from 1 to 5.9, with scores above 3.0 generally required for full, quick performance. My iMac scored a 5.0, the best score of any consumer Vista machine I have tested. Obviously, a tricked-out high end Dell or HP box might do as well or better, and a lesser Mac might do worse. But the score was very impressive for a computer that wasn’t designed with Vista in mind."

and of course, the good folks over at PC World, stick a dick on your nosebridge when they say:
"The fastest Windows Vista notebook we've tested this year (through 10/25/07) is a Mac. Try that again: The fastest Windows Vista notebook we've tested this year--or for that matter, ever--is a Mac. Not a Dell, not a Toshiba, not even an Alienware. The $2419 (plus the price of a copy of Windows Vista, of course) MacBook Pro's PC WorldBench 6 Beta 2 score of 88 beats Gateway's E-265M by a single point, but the MacBook's score is far more impressive simply because Apple couldn't care less whether you run Windows."

So lets see, runs both mac OS and Windows via bootcamp and VMWare/Parrallels, to address your ignant comments about upgradability, go visit apple.com/support, pick a model and watch videos on how to upgrade, memory, HDD, PCI, etc. But see, youre missing the point, if buy what you'll need tomorrow today then you wont need upgrading every two years, let alone be forced to by your OS vendors (uh Vista, anyone? anyone? Uh Bueller? Bueller? Is this thing on?). I have a PowerMac G4 500 from back in 2000 thats still kickin like Bruce Lee and runs the latest software still, and even back then, support for 4GB of ram.

maybe next time, we'll research before we start spewing drivel on the net.
 
Hmmm, sounds like somebody never used a Mac, start here jackass http://www.apple.com/support/mac101/tour/



Hmm, funny Apple hating CNET said this about the mighty mouse, "Attractive design; scroll ball is comfortable and easy to use; works with Windows and Mac systems; integration with Tiger is flawless."


Wrong again, every mac manual has self service instructions, damn nigga, like the commericals said,
RIF-Logo-blue.gif



yeah i guess memory from crucial/kingston, etc and those pesky sata HDD's are a bitch to replace aint they, wait a minute, dont Mac's use intel chips? and PC components now? Hmm again Jackass,
RIF-Logo-blue.gif



An IBM PC? when the last time IBM made a pc, they sold them offf some time ago, friend, as far as Dev cycles go, you are correct, when some PC apps come to Mac, they get better, ask Microsoft, the worlds largest non Apple Developer. Many Mac users never have an issue, becuase there are more than suitable replacements on the Mac side for any applications on Windows. But better yet, you can run those bitches on your mac, faster than on a PC, remember? If not, we'll provide a refresher.



Again, same parts, non issue.

Again, an idiots folly, wrote the same shit 3 times to make an argument.

Funny, cant build your own bus either can you? There's a reason why macs just work, because they are built to last and have proven themselves over the long haul. I challenge you, go to ebay and price a mac from 2000 and compare a comparable PC from 2000, and when you see the price difference you'll understand, they hold their value better over more time.


Ever heard of Walt Mossberg? Read the WSJ or Wikipedia him and you'll walk slowly from the cloud of ignorance you've obviously walked into. Back in 10/2005, he wrote,

"APPLE'S MACINTOSH COMPUTERS claim only a tiny share of the overall PC market, but they are getting more consideration from Windows users thinking of switching than at any time in many years. The daunting security problems that have plagued Windows have also prompted many of its users to take a serious look at the Mac. ...As a result, Mac sales, while still relatively small, have been growing much faster than overall personal computer sales. Are you among the PC majority considering a switch to the Mac? Then you probably have some important questions.

Q: How do Macs compare in quality with Windows PCs?

I believe that, at the moment, Apple makes the best computers, and the best operating system, for mainstream consumers doing typical tasks — email, web surfing, office-productivity functions such as word processing and presentations, photo organizing and editing, playing and collecting music, and editing home video.

Of all the major computer makers, Apple is the most focused on consumers and small businesses. Most make the bulk of their money, and take most of their cues, from the information-technology departments of large corporations.

Apple's iMac G5 consumer desktop is, in my opinion, the single best home computer on the market. Its PowerBook laptops are among the top portables."



Arstechnica, highly regarded website, advises:

"The most subjective aspect of a keyboard review—and one that is largely worthless unless the reader is a twin or clone of the author—is how it feels. Having disclaimed that, the Apple Wireless Keyboard feels good. I find the keys to be responsive, but then as my wife says—occasionally screams—I have a very light touch. However, the Apple Wireless Keyboard is probably not for someone with sausage fingers and/or poor motor skills. Regarding ergonomics, the keyboard is flat, not curved, not adjustable, the keys flat, not beveled, short strokes the norm, tactile response lacking compared to buckling springs and mechanical switches. Some will say this does not a real keyboard make, but does it matter?

If the layout change and the removal of the keypad doesn’t make it obvious, laptops are the future. By moving toward design unity, Apple is once again getting ahead of the curve. As with every transition, a small minority will hate the change, but you really should at least try hating it in person first. You need to try the Apple Wireless Keyboard, or USB version, at a local Apple Store—where you will likely be disgusted by how filthy the keys are—but at least you will know."

Frank Wilson, you good sir are an ignorant man.

As of 08/2007, MOSSBERG has advised:
"If you install Boot Camp on a well-equipped Mac model, it can become a blazing fast Vista computer. A few days ago I bought a top-of-the-line model of Apple’s new iMac line, and installed Boot Camp and Vista. I then tested the machine using Vista’s built-in Windows Experience Index, a rating system that goes from 1 to 5.9, with scores above 3.0 generally required for full, quick performance. My iMac scored a 5.0, the best score of any consumer Vista machine I have tested. Obviously, a tricked-out high end Dell or HP box might do as well or better, and a lesser Mac might do worse. But the score was very impressive for a computer that wasn’t designed with Vista in mind."

and of course, the good folks over at PC World, stick a dick on your nosebridge when they say:
"The fastest Windows Vista notebook we've tested this year (through 10/25/07) is a Mac. Try that again: The fastest Windows Vista notebook we've tested this year--or for that matter, ever--is a Mac. Not a Dell, not a Toshiba, not even an Alienware. The $2419 (plus the price of a copy of Windows Vista, of course) MacBook Pro's PC WorldBench 6 Beta 2 score of 88 beats Gateway's E-265M by a single point, but the MacBook's score is far more impressive simply because Apple couldn't care less whether you run Windows."

So lets see, runs both mac OS and Windows via bootcamp and VMWare/Parrallels, to address your ignant comments about upgradability, go visit apple.com/support, pick a model and watch videos on how to upgrade, memory, HDD, PCI, etc. But see, youre missing the point, if buy what you'll need tomorrow today then you wont need upgrading every two years, let alone be forced to by your OS vendors (uh Vista, anyone? anyone? Uh Bueller? Bueller? Is this thing on?). I have a PowerMac G4 500 from back in 2000 thats still kickin like Bruce Lee and runs the latest software still, and even back then, support for 4GB of ram.

maybe next time, we'll research before we start spewing drivel on the net.

This is a lot of information. Thank you for posting it.
 
This is a lot of information. Thank you for posting it.

there only one problem with what he posted...its extremely biased....just remember this...there is a reason most people/companies use PC's and not MACs...its really just that simple...if you want a cool looking laptop with cool stuff on it but the hardware itself sucks get a mac...if you want a laptop is durable and cool and like configuring it to the way you want it....get a Thinkpad...
 
there only one problem with what he posted...its extremely biased....just remember this...there is a reason most people/companies use PC's and not MACs...its really just that simple...if you want a cool looking laptop with cool stuff on it but the hardware itself sucks get a mac...if you want a laptop is durable and cool and like configuring it to the way you want it....get a Thinkpad...

Thinkpad is still what I'm leaning toward, especially since I found out that I would be able to run the OXS on it if I want. I have many authentic OSX discs so installing wouldn't be a problem.

By the way, how does Mac's hardware suck? I've always heard good things about the way they're built. Are they wrong?
 
Thinkpad is still what I'm leaning toward, especially since I found out that I would be able to run the OXS on it if I want. I have many authentic OSX discs so installing wouldn't be a problem.

By the way, how does Mac's hardware suck? I've always heard good things about the way they're built. Are they wrong?

The desktops are built very ver..the laptop are not durable Ispeak from personal experience with my mac book pro....1st week..lcd burnt out because the damn thing ran too hot.....months later the lcd internally cracked after being in my computer back with a stress ball that got pressed againt the lcd lid ...this would never happen with a dell, thinkpad, hp..hell even a crappy as toshiba laptop(never buy one of those).


Example of Thinkpad quality that you would never find in a MAC laptop:

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Processor[1]
Intel® Celeron® processor 540 (1.86GHz 533MHz 1ML2)
Operating system[12]
Genuine Windows Vista Home Basic
Display type
15.4" WXGA
System graphics
Intel GMA X3100, GL960, PC Card
Total memory[8]
1 GB PC2-5300 DDR2 SDRAM 667MHz SODIMM Memory (1 DIMM)
Hard drive[4]
80 GB Hard Disk Drive, 5400rpm
Optical device[5]
CD-RW/DVD-ROM 24x/24x/24x/8x Max Combo Ultrabay Enhanced
Wireless cards[10]
ThinkPad 11a/b/g Wi-Fi wireless LAN Mini-PCIe US/EMEA/LA/ANZ
Battery[60]
6 cell Li-Ion Battery ( 2.4 Ah )
Warranty[7]
7649: 1Year Depot Warranty


I want to add that everybody talking about pc and assuming that means using windows as the OS...is fairly ignorant....The overall aspects of PC hardware are far superior than MAC hardware
 
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I work in a very large printery in my country and I am the only pc user amongst 6 G5's and 2 G4's in the art department.

I ain't giving up my PC for shit.

All that talk about MAC is more reliable is shit. The G5's give the same amount of trouble. In fact just the other day we bought a new G5 and we had to send it back twice to the apple store in NY cost an arm and a leg via fed ex, eventually they had to give us a new one.

I don't know about other places in the world but in my country getting mac's fixed in a day is almost impossible especially if you have to order the parts but you could definitely get a pc fixed in a matter of hours.

There are some advantages though. YOu could take a mac out the box plug it in and surf the net, however, if you do that with a pc you're asking for trouble. Viruses and Spyware up the ass for sure.

I saw somebody talk about updates and compatibility earlier on in the post that there is a load of shit. Cause 2 of the artists here updates to Leopard and to this day they can't use Adobe In Design cause it is not compatible with Leopard they have to wait for a patch.

For music and video editing I think MAC's have the edge cause the programs are pretty much tailor made for the MAC platform. But for graphic design I think the playing field is pretty much level. I have tested it by opening big Adobe photoshop and Illustrator files at the same time on pc and mac and it pretty much opens at the same time.

In the print industry you need to know pc well cause when you take your artwork to a RIP (Raster Image Processor) most of them only work on PC more so a PC using Win Server.
 
This is to ljinsane and all the others who truly believe in the Thinkpad. I found these comments posted on another board and was wondering if you all could weigh in with your opinions. These comments come from multiple people, but one of the most vocal on the subject was endorsing Acer a lot, so I'm skeptical about his or her opinion. I would post the link, but I'm not incredibly sure about BGOL's policy on that sorta thing.

Ask any computer programmer. If you stick with the origina software on a Thinkpad then you are fine, but if you try to even do simple stuff like upgrade drivers, or do any sort of hardcore software development, it's like hitting a brick wall.

IBM does not design their laptops to be customizable beyond the general business needs. Technical people will tend to stay away from IBMs.

], and esp. the ThinkPad lines are indestructible. Expensive, tacky to use, awkward to program, but very well built and can handle a lot of abuse.

Also, from a support point of view, I know if there's an IBM coming in for work, it will take all day to figure it out. If it's a Dell I can probably squeeze it out within the hour with no problem.

There are companies that use Thinkpads religiously, and their support staff just swap out the hard drive into a new unit and sends the old one back to the manufacturer. They don't even bother spending time troubleshooting, but to be fair that could also be due to cost.
 
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This is to ljinsane and all the others who truly believe in the Tinkpad. I found these comments posted on another board and was wondering if you all could weigh in with your opinions. These comments come from multiple people, but one of the most vocal on the subject was endorsing Acer a lot, so I'm skeptical about his or her opinion. I would post the link, but I'm not incredibly sure about BGOL's policy on that sorta thing.


Ask any computer programmer. If you stick with the origina software on a Thinkpad then you are fine, but if you try to even do simple stuff like upgrade drivers, or do any sort of hardcore software development, it's like hitting a brick wall.

IBM does not design their laptops to be customizable beyond the general business needs. Technical people will tend to stay away from IBMs.

and esp. the ThinkPad lines are indestructible. Expensive, tacky to use, awkward to program, but very well built and can handle a lot of abuse.


Also, from a support point of view, I know if there's an IBM coming in for work, it will take all day to figure it out. If it's a Dell I can probably squeeze it out within the hour with no problem.

There are companies that use Thinkpads religiously, and their support staff just swap out the hard drive into a new unit and sends the old one back to the manufacturer. They don't even bother spending time troubleshooting, but to be fair that could also be due to cost.


All if this is pure bullshit....1st...never ask a fucking programmer anything in regards to supporting hard ware...if they are a real programmer....they dont know shit...they just code......

2...the rest of the qoutes are from people who are not technically inclined enough fix whatever issues that comes across their desk.....Awkward to preogram!?!? what the fuck are they going to program...you install an os..install the programs you nedd and that it.....in the ten years I have had my think pad...I had one hd failure...one!!! When it came to upgrade the original 2.1gb disk to a 40gb...i just had to update the bios...I gaurantee the people from these quotes would think it was impossible to do.....Thinkpads use to be really expensive and some of the mstill are but as you see from the link I posted up earlier....they are quite affordable...
 
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Here are the specs that I have saved in my shopping cart at the Lenovo website. Any problems with what you see, specifically any potential issues upgrading once the new version of Windows hits the marktet? Also, I decided to go with 2.5 GHZ processor speed because the 2.6 GHZ with 4MB L2Cache was $220 more. I figure I could upgrade my RAM for a lot cheaper myself, so I chose to only go with 1GB. I might swop the optical drive for a Blu-Ray drive (its 50/50 right now).

ThinkPad T61 15 Widescreen

System Processor: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo processor T9300 (2.5GHz 800MHz 6MBL2)

Operating System: Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium

Operating System Language: Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium US English

Display Panel: 15.4 WXGA TFT

System graphics: Intel GMA X3100 GM965

Total memory: 1 GB PC2-5300 DDR2 SDRAM 667MHz SODIMM Memory (1 DIMM)

Keyboards: Keyboard US English

Pointing Device: UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad) with Fingerprint Reader

Hard Drive: 120GB Hard Disk Drive, 5400rpm

Intel® Turbo Memory hard drive cache: Intel Turbo Memory 1GB

Optical device: CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo 24X/24X/24X/8X Max, Ultrabay Slim

System expansion slots: PC Card Slot & Express Card Slot

Card Reader: 4 in 1 Media Card Reader

Wireless cards: Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN (supporting Centrino Pro)

Battery: 6 cell Li-Ion Battery

Power cord: Country Pack North America

Language Pack: Language Pack US English


40Y9213: 1 Year ThinkPad Protection $89.00


The total cost minus tax and shipping is a whopping $1,323.00. I won't be able to see the total price until I actually checkout. What do you all think? Based on the specs and the brand, is it worth the price tag?
 
quick update...

I tried installing Mac Leopard 10.5.1 and it said installation failed...thing is I might not have formatted the hard drive correctly so I will try again later this weekend...
 
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