Lyric for Lyric how is this song NOT better than Ether and Takeover?
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lyricwise yes its better but overall that loss is his own fault. if he had that type of material to fire off & he didn't make it his first shot, then he deserved to lose that battle. dude underestimated nas like a mufukka. beatwise takeover is the illest out of the three (four if you add the song "last real nigga alive" off godson)
Honestly Ether wasn't that good to me. I think Ether was more about WHO it was from and WHO it was against. If you ever notice if you ask somebody to name what EXACTLY was so nice about Ether than can't really tell you. It was a good song but as a diss, none of the disses gave me that old school "OOOHHHH you got dissed" feeling. He started talking about dude being ugly and being 36 when he was like 31, shit didn't make alot of sense. But I think being that it came from a dude that was more poet than Punisher, it gave it more credibility than it deserved... But the 2nd verse on this song is better than both lyrically and diss wise.
how much more can you dis someone than calling them a dick sucking faggot
What I mean is Truth in the diss means alot.. Example how when Jay said how Nas had a one hot album every 10 year average, as a Nas fan even I agreed with that, Everything after It was written was subpar. Calling a dude a dick sucking faggot honestly sounded like some kid shit like "Yo momma fat"
agree with everything FJP is saying......... I still think takeover was better... i felt he dealt with Nas in ONE VERSE not a whole SONG.. and all of dat elementary type dissing Nas was doing was childish.. Hov was speaking str8 truth and thats why he Won.... He battled with truth Nas went to war with name callling......!
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What Nas did was play the dozens, callin' him camel and cockafella records and all. Jay dissected his carreer. I thought the the people talkin', which was a more indirect diss, was even better tahn ether IMO
Ether came out at the right time and was lyrically on par with all that shit jay was spittin. Nas and Jay was the only diss shit that damn near draws an equal. no way in hell anyone can say Nas killed jay or jay killed nas, both them niggas went in on each other and they still legends...
At the same time, there's something to be said for effectiveness. You can make a dis as intricate & detailed as you want, sometimes a well placed "dick sucking faggot" is all that's needed. I mean think about it, as men we all know that once you are in an argument & one man invites another man to his dick, the talking part of the beef is now OVER. Furthermore, look at the response by each party. When takeover came out, nas didn't even respond right away, it was at least a week if not more later. When ether came out, jay literally responded overnight, not to mention him going on radio talking about he wants to fight nas on pay per view. If that don't sound like a nicca who knows he got beat I don't know
Ether wasn't as great as some people made it out to be.
That one verse bodied him.
That one verse bodied him.
Takeover came out in the Summer, Nas dropped either in November. You right Jay was hurt. But I really think he dropped SuperUgly so fast because the Hot 97 poll said he lost, honestly I think Jay was so surprised that the people thought he lost, I don't think he ever thought he lost, he gave an interview last year and talked about how he always felt Takeover was the better song. Jay was riding such a high and he probably thought the people would never choose against him and they did on that night.
And so what Nas said wasnt the truth??
Y'all niggas deal with emotions like bitches
What's sad is I love you 'cause you're my brother
You traded your soul for riches
You seem to be only concerned with dissing women
Were you abused as a child, scared to smile, they called you ugly?
You no mustache having, with whiskers like a rat
Compared to Beans you wack
And your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame
You ass, went from Jaz to hanging with Caine, to Herb, to Big
And, Eminem murdered you on your own shit
You a dick-riding faggot, you love the attention
Shawn Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz dick
How much of Biggie's rhymes is gonna come out your fat lips?
Wanted to be on every last one of my classics
You pop shit, apologize, nigga, just ask Kiss
Remember Jay was on his pedestal shit and was killing wack mc's like Mase and Jay Felony and thought he could body Nas in the same fashion. It all started when Nas wouldnt record or appear in Jay's video.
How is selling your soul for riches true? People don't even know if the Illuminati exists much less a rapper being in it.
That Beans line? come on I like Beans too but ....Come on? If he was only concerned with dissing women why did he diss him and Mobb Deep on the same song? That line didn't make sense.
And Jay didn't kill Mase at all.
The bitch in Yoo. and Either to me, well wait Hit em up was also mean.
Only truth I can say is an absolute truth (seems like it is lol) is the Baby moms diss.
One hot album every ten years is subjective. Could say the same for him. Both of them are my dudes. Jay Z career way over shadows Nas but he took an L with Ether. Not saying his songs wasnt dope but his response on the radio told the whole story.
Only truth I can say is an absolute truth (seems like it is lol) is the Baby moms diss.
One hot album every ten years is subjective. Could say the same for him. Both of them are my dudes. Jay Z career way over shadows Nas but he took an L with Ether. Not saying his songs wasnt dope but his response on the radio told the whole story.
It's called an opinion. /thread
I dont think he was referring to Illuminati but Jay and his mentor were both involved in the Nuwabian Moors Nation and were always critiqued for not ever mentioning it in his music.
Your taking the "dissing women" line too literal. Jay-z has been known to be a chameleon and switch up his style for whatever is hot at the time.
He could never compare to Nas as a artist or a mc for that matter.
In the same way Nas could not be compared to Jay-z as a business man.
I try to tell cats that takeover and blueprint 2 was nothing but hard facts. These facts still stand to this day. Where ether sound like nas in high school telling jokes and snapping.
Nas is the better lyricist.. but to me, full package, hov is the better MC.
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Nas is the better lyricist.. but to me, full package, hov is the better MC.
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And you came in the thread and didn't drop your opinion on the song.......and that contributed to the thread how???
Damn this Again ????? It may not be intentional but it always leads to the same place
Well fuck it ...
Jay Verse on the blueprint was better than the whole so Ether.
Ether was Funny a street dis like look at your cheap kicks
Jay's Verse was Straight To the soul that was true ETHER
The verse on Blueprint 2 was Fire but the battle over
It was almost good as the Blueprint ... but the was only a few bars that was like a TON of Bricks on a man's head ONE TIME
Ether made me laugh .. it was funny like homie on the block who got made jokes
Well fuck it ...
Jay Verse on the blueprint was better than the whole so Ether.
Ether was Funny a street dis like look at your cheap kicks
Jay's Verse was Straight To the soul that was true ETHER
The verse on Blueprint 2 was Fire but the battle over
It was almost good as the Blueprint ... but the was only a few bars that was like a TON of Bricks on a man's head ONE TIME
Ether made me laugh .. it was funny like homie on the block who got made jokes
I agree with FJP on this one and I've been saying the same shit since 05.
I love both Jay and Nas as artists, and I thank Nas has been consistently better than Jay since he came out of retirement. That being said, "Blueprint 2" pointed out every single one of the very obvious flaws and contradictions regarding Nas's image. Jay was concise with that shit. Nas always tries to put himself out there like some sort of prophet or spiritual griot. Jay took that image apart piece by piece and pointed out tjhe hypocrisy in it. I never listen to Takeover or Ether much these days, but I still give Blueprint 2 some burn every now and then.
I love both Jay and Nas as artists, and I thank Nas has been consistently better than Jay since he came out of retirement. That being said, "Blueprint 2" pointed out every single one of the very obvious flaws and contradictions regarding Nas's image. Jay was concise with that shit. Nas always tries to put himself out there like some sort of prophet or spiritual griot. Jay took that image apart piece by piece and pointed out tjhe hypocrisy in it. I never listen to Takeover or Ether much these days, but I still give Blueprint 2 some burn every now and then.
Exactly Takeover and Ether had some truth mixed with opinion. Blueprint 2 was STRAIGHT FACT, that's why I say it was better because not only were the lyrics superior, it was more true than BOTH songs.
for the Takeover vs. Ether question, for me the Takeover wins, hands down.
...but I can never forget that night when Nas came on Power 105 after he was stopped from doing that mock hanging shit at that concert (Summer Jam?)
. That shit was almost surreal how he was goin off on everybody
...but I can never forget that night when Nas came on Power 105 after he was stopped from doing that mock hanging shit at that concert (Summer Jam?)
. That shit was almost surreal how he was goin off on everybody 
If you thought It was Written was nice that makes 2 great albums out of his first 2 which shows how bad Jay was reaching for that shit. It Was Written was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better then Jay's second CD easily.
And Nas roasted everything about Jay. I personally thought the personal jokes were fucking hilarious as anyone who ever did that shit with their friends back in the day would.
As for other diss'... He said "Shawn Carter to Jay Z, damn you on Jaz (Jaz-O) dick, How many Biggie rhymes gonna come out yo fat lips" all true...
When that nigga said Jay was getting chased to his building with Hawaiian shirts hangin' with lil chase, called him a stan, said he disses women cause he's been ugly his whole life and roasted him getting them now just cause he's paid, said Em murdered him on his track, Jay kept his face in Foxy's puss, said he called him and he didn't give him his nbr, just a style to run with and the list goes on...
Nas kept the fucking disses coming. Anyone who doesn't think Ether was straight up and down classical has an ulterior motive or something...
...but I can never forget that night when Nas came on Power 105 after he was stopped from doing that mock hanging shit at that concert (Summer Jam?)
People forget that this battle brought Nas back from the brink. He was never really known as a "battle rapper." He was the underdog at that point. When he dropped "Ether," people were so shocked that he actually responded with such venom that they basically gave him the win IMO. I was one of those people, but since 05 I've changed my tune.
"In '88 you were getting chased through building,
Callin' my crib and I ain't even give you my numbers"
This line right here could be referring to a real embarrasing situation that we don't even know about which is why you cannot sleep on Ether. Takeover was dope because you could personally verify what was being said but with Ether if you didn't know Jay, you just had to take Nas word for what he was saying. I think that's why people rolled with Ether because it was hard, gritty, personal, and Nas has a vocal tone of a father spanking his child. Jay's reaction to it said it all...I think Nas touched on some things tha Jay would have rather forgot about.
niggas seem to forget that although Jay-Z was on some "I'll fight Nas on Pay-Per-View" shit, Nas was on some "I wanna KILL this nigga Jay" shit. And that came from Nas' own mouth in an interview. The shit Jay said had Nas ready to commit murders . Whether or not the listening public (which generally speaking isn't a discerning audience) feels Nas won, Nas knows in his own heart how that shit really played.
. Whether or not the listening public (which generally speaking isn't a discerning audience) feels Nas won, Nas knows in his own heart how that shit really played.
wow you have got it almost all wrong!!
true Nas was not known as battle rapper but Jay was not either. Yeah Jay might of had some battles before his first record but the majority of people did not know that. And Nas had already answered Jay before Ether with the Stillmatic freestyle so when Takeover came out people were just waiting for the response. And no one ever talks about Jay's Superugly freestyle that was so wack that it kind of got swept under the rug.
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