Living Colour say band is shunned by Black entertainment outlets for playing “white people” music
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co-sign...I fucked with living color and copped Corey Glovers solo album back in the day..I support black rock acts whenever I can
It’s crazy how this guy has probably been their best asset for the past 2 decades. I’d love for a black person to blow them up the way he has.
One of the greatest tricks ever played was to get black people to think Rock n Roll was white music. That’s our fucking music!!! Go back and listen to The Rolling Stones and the Beetles and you can hear the Blues/Rhythm & Blues traditional. And we all know about Elvis Presley. Rock is our music! I don’t understand the Lenny Kravitz thing. We definitely liked his music. Hip-hop loved Lenny Kravitz. I just don’t understand what he is talking about. Like folks said, it was his handlers that was turning down black shows.
I like "knock knock". That song gets the college crowd jumping every time.
The difference is that Eminem's career depends on support from the Black community and kid rock's doesn't.
Also, I think you misspelled handjob.
what does that even mean?? they PLAYED MUSIC... what more do you want??
I had the same reaction when I read that, like WTF?
And on a side note, I've seen more Black people at some of their live concerts (Living Colour and Lenny Kravitz) than at some hip hop shows. Always had a blast seeing them live.
You want to reach the four types of people, you have to play music they can relate to..............
Black= drums
Hispanic= percussions
Chinks= melodic (harp, flute)
Honkeys= acoustics
Black= drums
Hispanic= percussions
Chinks= melodic (harp, flute)
Honkeys= acoustics
I had the same reaction when I read that, like WTF?
And on a side note, I've seen more Black people at some of their live concerts (Living Colour and Lenny Kravitz) than at some hip hop shows. Always had a blast seeing them live.
If you don't know what I mean, then it's not for you.
I'm wondering why are you complaining 20-30 years later. What did you do in the moment? People have to gain their fanbase, they aren't given it.
Nobody is complaining. Just having a historical conversation. Perhaps that's not for you.
Because Black folks don't wanna hear nunuh that stuff and whitey don't want to see black folks playing it. This ain't no new news.
But wait, Kravitz said: "here is a Black artist who has reintroduced many Black art forms?" Exactly what Black art forms has he reintroduced?
As far as Em, there are always exceptions. Just very few and he has always had a little bit that he seems to hold back. For example, folks will tell you about white people who are down with R&B like Joss Stone or Amy Winehouse. Contrast that to Teena Marie who was 100 down for the cause. And didn't give a fuck who knew.
My point is, most of the artists who operate in a genre not traditionally theirs put on masks to sell tickets. Em included. fuck kid rock up the ass with a splintered baseball bat. He's always been a racist cocksucker for those who were paying attention and reading between the lines. Same with the beastie boys. Typical jews who put on whatever face is necessary to sell shit to you. FYI, the beastie boys are from NYC and nobody here likes them. Consider that.
If I need to break down the history and how it got this way I will.
But wait, Kravitz said: "here is a Black artist who has reintroduced many Black art forms?" Exactly what Black art forms has he reintroduced?
As far as Em, there are always exceptions. Just very few and he has always had a little bit that he seems to hold back. For example, folks will tell you about white people who are down with R&B like Joss Stone or Amy Winehouse. Contrast that to Teena Marie who was 100 down for the cause. And didn't give a fuck who knew.
My point is, most of the artists who operate in a genre not traditionally theirs put on masks to sell tickets. Em included. fuck kid rock up the ass with a splintered baseball bat. He's always been a racist cocksucker for those who were paying attention and reading between the lines. Same with the beastie boys. Typical jews who put on whatever face is necessary to sell shit to you. FYI, the beastie boys are from NYC and nobody here likes them. Consider that.
If I need to break down the history and how it got this way I will.
It's one of the core detriments of our people (born in the US). If you do not fit a particular mold, then you are excluded from the group. If you happen to gain some sort of general notoriety, fame or riches..............you don't have to claim us. We'll claim YOU. It's an elitist mentality that we have, although most of us are suffering economically and comprehensively.
I seen them like 5-6 times over the 90s..I had the same reaction when I read that, like WTF?
And on a side note, I've seen more Black people at some of their live concerts (Living Colour and Lenny Kravitz) than at some hip hop shows. Always had a blast seeing them live.
Em grew up dirt poor and rapped about trailer trash trama. He grew up in a trailer park blocks away from Detroit across 8 mile. Kim and his mom ain't people you really want in your life. Bob grew up well off in a rural area and is the son of a Cadillac Dealer. Big difference.
A lot of white folks related to Em, Bob rode the wave of whatever was working. A lot of white people think "Kid Rock" is a grifter. Just because they are from the same state don't mean they are the same type of people.
I supported black music thru the late 80s 90s and early 2ks.
What does that mean? It means I've seen BBking and Buddy Guy, P Funk and Fishbone, Stanley Clarke and Stanley Jordan, James Brown and Jon Faddis, as well as Wu Tang, De La Soul, Arrested Development, and quite a number of hip hop acts.
All it takes is understanding that All of those artists are expressing the culture and it's important to support that.. otherwise OTHERS will claim it as their own and then say you're doing THEIR thing.
They didn't invite you to "Black Girls Rock" neither. Dont see you going after Tracy Ellis Ross or all the purple haired black girls who like white guys and dont support your music.
Cameo, Prince, Michael Jackson, and even no talent Milli Vanili all dressed like rock in roll stars to get on MTV. They were considered pop stars because they had a black sound.
I don't know why a Rap Show would have a rock segment when the pool of talent was so small and didn't have a lot of black fans. It's hard to cater to you when you aren't marketing yourself to black people. This is almost like a K Pop Band being upset they aren't nominated at the BET awards.
Lenny and Living Colour don't really seem to have a point. They want black praise for being successful in a white world. No one is hating their success but I'm wondering why do you need black adoration when you didn't cater to black crowds.
Cameo, Prince, Michael Jackson, and even no talent Milli Vanili all dressed like rock in roll stars to get on MTV. They were considered pop stars because they had a black sound.
I don't know why a Rap Show would have a rock segment when the pool of talent was so small and didn't have a lot of black fans. It's hard to cater to you when you aren't marketing yourself to black people. This is almost like a K Pop Band being upset they aren't nominated at the BET awards.
Lenny and Living Colour don't really seem to have a point. They want black praise for being successful in a white world. No one is hating their success but I'm wondering why do you need black adoration when you didn't cater to black crowds.
They’ve been committed to our causes. Numerous times they’ve made anti-white supremacy songs.
In 2016, they did a benefit concert for Black Lives Matter in Chicago and I sat and talked with them about corrupt policing, un-prosecuted brutality and murder against Black folks by police and related issues for an hour before the show, and then again afterwards. They had a lot to say both in that convo and onstage.
They’re good, intelligent conscious Brothas, 100% down with the cause.
I seen them like 5-6 times over the 90s..
About the same for me. Seem them about half a dozen times, once in the 90s and multiple times in the 2000's.
Fam, I'm convinced that some just like to hear themselves talk with the "did they reach out and endear themselves to Black people" comment. LC talked about racism, redlining, and police brutality before it became "mainstream cool" to do so. Discussing such topics and honestly addressing the racism side of the industry, when answering a question, is "complaining"
How rich.
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You didn't beg hard enough and kiss their ass when they were at the top of their game, or God forbid didn't offer to pay them to appear on your show.
Absolutely. They and Lenny Kravitz are only continuing the dialogue that Little Richard started. Keeping alive the fact that we are at the heart of Rock and Roll. Without us there would be none.About the same for me. Seem them about half a dozen times, once in the 90s and multiple times in the 2000's.
Fam, I'm convinced that some just like to hear themselves talk with the "did they reach out and endear themselves to Black people" comment. LC talked about racism, redlining, and police brutality before it became "mainstream cool" to do so. Discussing such topics and honestly addressing the racism side of the industry, when answering a question, is "complaining"
Drums and percussion are the same thing and acoustics come from Africa. This type of music is from the 1200's.
Thats right, it's primarily Steve Washington and his wife. Steve continues what he did in slave and Aurra with a heavier pFunk and rock leaning. The album is a collectors dream of heavyweight Funk and sociopolitical message. Deliberately allowing each track to breathe and speak its truth, instead of catering to radio. Even tho ironically I first heard this album whilst in a radio station in the 80's, looking thru a box of albums. I pulled this album out saw Steve washington's name in the credits and its been one of my essential albums ever since.
Slave and Mtume are very, very important bands, both for themselves and what sprung from them.
what youre saying is kind of heartbreaking because what you're really expressing is that black people as a group not only disregard rock music but consciously reject it and don't recognize it as anything relevant to us.
Youre not even aware but youre attitude and many others on here actually agree and cosign Jann Wenner when he said:
Rolling Stone magazine co-founder Jann Wenner justified the lack of diversity in his upcoming book, The Masters—which exclusively features interviews from white, male musicians—by claiming Black artists “just didn’t articulate at that level.” Wenner told The New York Times in an interview published Friday that it wasn’t a “deliberate” selection of musicians, but instead it was “intuitive over the years.” “The people had to meet a couple criteria, but it was just kind of my personal interest and love of them,” Wenner said. As for why he didn’t interview any women, he said, “Just none of them were as articulate enough on this intellectual level.” He added, “Of Black artists—you know, Stevie Wonder, genius, right? I suppose when you use a word as broad as ‘masters,’ the fault is using that word. Maybe Marvin Gaye, or Curtis Mayfield? I mean, they just didn’t articulate at that level.”
Now dont get insulted he said it...he disregards Black musicians in the world of Rock music in favor of whites who "articulate it better" and you disregrad them because Lenny and Living Colour don't really seem to have a point. They want black praise for being successful in a white world.
So a white man plays them off and you reject them because you think what they do is something that whites like....meanwhile theyre just playing music their people CREATED in the first place. They are literally practicing their CULTURE and you all believe theyre wrong for being disappointed and hurt that not only are they rejected by their own people but Blacks as a group don't even recognize that what those musicians are doing has anything to do with them at all.
It must be 50 years fellas. We went from "Rap is a fad" to the highest grossing genre ever. Only in America. You ain't made it until you get sued. Now these hoe ass niggas wanna be like "Meetoo". Naw niggas, y'all wanted white pussy and white fans. Y'all gave only so many fucks about black fans.what youre saying is kind of heartbreaking because what you're really expressing is that black people as a group not only disregard rock music but consciously reject it and don't recognize it as anything relevant to us.
Youre not even aware but youre attitude and many others on here actually agree and cosign Jann Wenner when he said:
Rolling Stone magazine co-founder Jann Wenner justified the lack of diversity in his upcoming book, The Masters—which exclusively features interviews from white, male musicians—by claiming Black artists “just didn’t articulate at that level.” Wenner told The New York Times in an interview published Friday that it wasn’t a “deliberate” selection of musicians, but instead it was “intuitive over the years.” “The people had to meet a couple criteria, but it was just kind of my personal interest and love of them,” Wenner said. As for why he didn’t interview any women, he said, “Just none of them were as articulate enough on this intellectual level.” He added, “Of Black artists—you know, Stevie Wonder, genius, right? I suppose when you use a word as broad as ‘masters,’ the fault is using that word. Maybe Marvin Gaye, or Curtis Mayfield? I mean, they just didn’t articulate at that level.”
Now dont get insulted he said it...he disregards Black musicians in the world of Rock music in favor of whites who "articulate it better" and you disregrad them because Lenny and Living Colour don't really seem to have a point. They want black praise for being successful in a white world.
So a white man plays them off and you reject them because you think what they do is something that whites like....meanwhile theyre just playing music their people CREATED in the first place. They are literally practicing their CULTURE and you all believe theyre wrong for being disappointed and hurt that not only are they rejected by their own people but Blacks as a group don't even recognize that what those musicians are doing has anything to do with them at all.
No one is trying to hate of those dudes success. This seems like its scripted because they aren't going after events that are specifically deal with rock music (Black Girls Rock). If your core target audiences aren't supporting you then why should you be invited to a Rap honors show?
I guess what's really eating them is the Rock and Roll HOF admitting rappers and R&B acts. Don't see them pissy at Chaka Khan. Maybe your label should buy you an award/honors to drive sales like every other artist.
They aren't victims by any means. Ain't shit sad. It's a music business not charity. If people don't like you music then market yourself better or make better music. Living Colour had one song of note and are acting like they were something special because they were outside the box.
Prince, Jimmy, and Chuck Berry paved the way for black rockers more than anything rap ever had. Kayne had to beg to be on MTV while Darius Rucker was blowing up in Hootie and the Blowfish. Rucker ain't got these problems. He was smart enough to do folk/country rock while punk was dying.
I get tired of artist saying they love music then being upset they don't sell or have certain fans. Plenty of rappers did the same but you also had rap executives who fell on the sword by not taking no for an answer. Why didn't they start labels and grow the genre beyond themselves? They made millions, why didn't they bet on themselves making someone better?
A lot of people clown Dame but it was execs like him and Master P who forced Jay Z, Kayne, No Limit down MTV's throats only for white people to act like they were down for day one and X people like Dame out the picture.
I'm sorry but black poets got a better case than a one hit wonder like Living Colour. Maybe they should ask Lil Nas X how to make that 15 mins an hour. Lenny should know better he ain't showing up for the BET Award or anything NAACP Honors. So please explain what point you guys are making. White people like blacks who act like street niggas more than black rockers?
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