Live Debate: Tariq Nasheed vs Jared Taylor

I think Tariq understands this. But when he starts using old History to back up his points, it makes it seem like he doesnt. Theres a basis to all of this, but most folks are tired of hearing about the "basis".

Like u stated, he needs to stop trying to build up his point, and instead get straight to the point. Or.....just stop agreeing to do these bs debates all together. Because these so called debates seem more like two Race hustlas battling/trying to top one another.
Tariq is all about making money for himself. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that mindset. We must realize that his actions/decision making are all calculated in dollars and cents, even if there is a large element of "nonsense" in those actions. He has a target audience and his bank account has reaffirmed his decision to go into the race debate genre. It has nothing to do with TRUTH or UPLIFTING of the black community. We must not get caught up into what he is saying or selling if it does not apply to you. There are many people who will support him and his platform. Until they stop, he won't stop.

I don't think he is doing anything wrong or unethical. he is a business man. Is he selling a bad product? I don't think so........everybody makes the decision of whether to support his products or not. It is a personal choice......just like going to a church. Nobody forces you.
 
Tariq is all about making money for himself. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that mindset. We must realize that his actions/decision making are all calculated in dollars and cents, even if there is a large element of "nonsense" in those actions. He has a target audience and his bank account has reaffirmed his decision to go into the race debate genre. It has nothing to do with TRUTH or UPLIFTING of the black community. We must not get caught up into what he is saying or selling if it does not apply to you. There are many people who will support him and his platform. Until they stop, he won't stop.

I don't think he is doing anything wrong or unethical. he is a business man. Is he selling a bad product? I don't think so........everybody makes the decision of whether to support his products or not. It is a personal choice......just like going to a church. Nobody forces you.
You mean is it ILLEGAL. it's definitely unethical. Selling people shit, and presenting it as useful when you know damn well (A) it ain't and (B) you have no clue what you're even talking about lol.

Bunch of idiots walking around thinking they have a basis of a certain type of history , when most of it is easily debunked. And his point towards Vortex actually applies to HIM.

"Call it white supremacy, call it turkey sandwiches or whatever you want..."

Yeah, all us Moors, ancient Egyptian, whatever you want, what's that mean NOW?

Means nothing, especially when you still nigga nigga nigga it up , resort to pimp talk, reduce real life situations to pimp/ho shit at every chance , and encourage your followers not to think, but to believe everything you say.

And what's really crazy is, everything a white supremacist would say , Tariw says whenever it comes to projects he solicits people to work for.
"I don't need none of this janky shit, y'all know how niggas do. Don't come with that nigga shit "

Or

"I'm trying to build a social network to compete with Facebook. I need some NIGGA NERDS. Nigga needs email me.


Btw , just like Umar Johnsosns school... That's Tariqs MOORUS bullshit idea.
 
He has a target audience and his bank account has reaffirmed his decision to go into the race debate genre. It has nothing to do with TRUTH or UPLIFTING of the black community.


Tariq is no different than the so called BLM leaders, Womens March leaders, MeToo leaders etc etc. The people who get the most attention are just striking while the iron is hot and capitalizing off of other folks advertises. Tariqs INTENT may not be the uplifting of Black folks. At times, he seems to want to keep Black folks paranoid, so that they can continue to search for answers within his products. But a lot of things that Tariq, Dr Umar, Boyce and a lot of the others have talked about, when it pertains to economics, self sufficiency etc etc is very valuable information.

You can either grab the valuable information from all three of those guys and do something with it. OR, you can just repeat White Supremacist 50 billion times, because you allowed self conscious racist White folks to knock you off your square. The choice is yours.


You mean is it ILLEGAL. it's definitely unethical. Selling people shit, and presenting it as useful when you know damn well (A) it ain't and (B) you have no clue what you're even talking about lol.


You dont speak for everyone. So you cant say FOR CERTAIN what was and what wasnt useful for this and that person. Excluding the shit about moors, Ancient Africans etc, Tariq has actually talked about a lot FACTUAL/MORE CURRENT issues that couldve been useful to someone; who wasnt aware prior to listening to him.

The shit that aggravated YOU made u dismiss everything else :lol:




Starts at 36:00 min.


Thanks!

Dude was handling himself well during most of that interview. The "snitch on other White people" thing is great, but something that most White folks will never do. And he agreed.


Btw, the shit about the White boy saying Nig-ger around Jesse starts at the 1:11:30 mark.
 
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You mean is it ILLEGAL. it's definitely unethical. Selling people shit, and presenting it as useful when you know damn well (A) it ain't and (B) you have no clue what you're even talking about lol.

Bunch of idiots walking around thinking they have a basis of a certain type of history , when most of it is easily debunked. And his point towards Vortex actually applies to HIM.

"Call it white supremacy, call it turkey sandwiches or whatever you want..."

Yeah, all us Moors, ancient Egyptian, whatever you want, what's that mean NOW?

Means nothing, especially when you still nigga nigga nigga it up , resort to pimp talk, reduce real life situations to pimp/ho shit at every chance , and encourage your followers not to think, but to believe everything you say.

And what's really crazy is, everything a white supremacist would say , Tariw says whenever it comes to projects he solicits people to work for.
"I don't need none of this janky shit, y'all know how niggas do. Don't come with that nigga shit "

Or

"I'm trying to build a social network to compete with Facebook. I need some NIGGA NERDS. Nigga needs email me.


Btw , just like Umar Johnsosns school... That's Tariqs MOORUS bullshit idea.
I don't see it like that. It is arts and entertainment and its value is subjective. Are you being forced to buy or watch his movies? Is he portraying himself to be a qualified expert in black history? If yes, what are those qualifications?

You are under the assumption that Tariq KNOWS that he is mispresenting the facts on purpose. How do YOU know that he doesn't believe in what he is saying? Are you blaming him for the ignorance of his supporters?

I look at people like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly etc the same way as Tariq. Whose to say that they don't believe in what they say to their audience day in and day out? They are in the entertainment industry, their audience has the right to turn off or switch channels.

Totally different standard applies to these types of people compared to a University lecturer who is getting paid to TEACH facts to their students.
 
I don't see it like that. It is arts and entertainment and its value is subjective. Are you being forced to buy or watch his movies? Is he portraying himself to be a qualified expert in black history? If yes, what are those qualifications?

You are under the assumption that Tariq KNOWS that he is mispresenting the facts on purpose. How do YOU know that he doesn't believe in what he is saying? Are you blaming him for the ignorance of his supporters?

I look at people like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly etc the same way as Tariq. Whose to say that they don't believe in what they say to their audience day in and day out? They are in the entertainment industry, their audience has the right to turn off or switch channels.

Totally different standard applies to these types of people compared to a University lecturer who is getting paid to TEACH facts to their students.
I get what you're getting at and I'll answer the questions.

Is anyone forced to watch? Of course not

Is he presenting himself as an expert? Of course
Oh, and yes, many times I KNOW he knows hes full of shit on certain things he says because I see him purposely exclude parts of a story. He will even say a line that would come from a source I know, and leave off the back half.

What are the qualifications? I wouldn't go so far as saying he has to have to academic requirements. Nothing like that. And even guys I consider to be "credible" in that field make mistakes here and there. It's built into the field that there will be some.

But he makes HUGE ones. Doing the goofy etymology word games he and the presenters in his films do, mixing languages up that don't even go together, silly shit like that. When speaking history, there are usually many competing ideas and viewpoints, with reasoning on how the perspective is found. He just does the "white people say it's this, sour must be that."

And you're right. Hannity, Oreilly , all of them are very similar. And they're all snakes. I don't watch them either.

So again, I don't say it's ILLEGAL. You cant arrest him for it any more than you can Oreilly. But it's unethical, and corny and he's arming people with flimsy weapons if they ever find themselves trying to prove a lot of this shit.

Yes, people CAN turn away from it. That's what I'm saying they ought to DO, if they really wanna know the topics they're wanting to know.

Professor Gates does a good job at exposing people to pre colonial African history, as well as African American history. I would say he's the foremost on the topic, but a lot of people here say he's a Tom I guess because he doesn't say African people were gods. Even though you SEE him in every one of the regions he talks about with actual specialists in archeology, linguistics, art, customs, all the pieces needed to paint the picture. People who actually TOUCH the primary sources.

There are numerous books and docs on Haiti, Amazon is full of books on many African kingdoms, all the way back Egypt. Egypt is discussed and written about way too damn much. The Moors too. Anyone who read about them for even a second would say they actually invaded west Africa too. If he were serious, he would also lead people to sources. We need more of THAT.

So , I agree with some parts of what you say. Tariq is an entertainer. A very funny, witty guy. I've watched him since the macking lessons. History is a serious endeavor, especially OUR underserved, underresearched history. I'd prefer he not make a joke out of it.
 
How can anyone still take Tariq Nasheed seriously at this point? He is a HUSTLER, pure and simple. His habits are nomadic, chameleonic, and parasitic. He moves from one hustle to the next, and tailors his public image to suit whatever product he happens to be selling at the moment. When the demand for that particular product dries up, he will simply close up shop and move on to something else. Meanwhile, his constituents will continue to portray his flaws as virtues.

His so-called “contempt” for White supremacy is simply part of the act. Dude is CLEARLY enamored with White Supremacy and its architects. He could give less than a company fuck about Black empowerment and progress, because he buys into the exact same brand of Darwinian ruthlessness that the average White supremacist does. That’s why he’s always paying homage to hustlers and hustling culture.

Or anyone who thinks displays hustling traits even at the detriment of black progress.

Of course Jason Black capping for this disaster.

 
Or anyone who thinks displays hustling traits even at the detriment of black progress.

Of course Jason Black capping for this disaster.


For some reason J Black refuses to ever call Tariq on anything. Not that I'm advocating bullshit between black folks but I always held J Black to a higher standard than every other YouTube speaker. Maybe it's because J Black always said he holds himself above every other YouTube speaker.

Out of all the YouTube folks he always mentions Tariq by name and it's always positive even when we know good and well Tariq is doing things that's "off code". Again I'm not saying he should be attacking him but if he off code then simply don't mention him at that time. Lots of folks follow J Black and by him doing that it only adds confusion.

Also a lot of what he said on this show was mentioned in this thread word for word which leads me to believe he's a member.
 
For some reason J Black refuses to ever call Tariq on anything. Not that I'm advocating bullshit between black folks but I always held J Black to a higher standard than every other YouTube speaker. Maybe it's because J Black always said he holds himself above every other YouTube speaker.

Out of all the YouTube folks he always mentions Tariq by name and it's always positive even when we know good and well Tariq is doing things that's "off code". Again I'm not saying he should be attacking him but if he off code then simply don't mention him at that time. Lots of folks follow J Black and by him doing that it only adds confusion.

Also a lot of what he said on this show was mentioned in this thread word for word which leads me to believe he's a member.

Tariq helped to produce 7AM, so TBA will never call him on anything, they both echo each other’s talking points from time to time and again, Jason Black paid Jared Taylor to be in this upcoming documentary Race War and now it’s time to donate to the film...there are some dots to be connected somewhere in all of that
 
For some reason J Black refuses to ever call Tariq on anything. Not that I'm advocating bullshit between black folks but I always held J Black to a higher standard than every other YouTube speaker. Maybe it's because J Black always said he holds himself above every other YouTube speaker.

Out of all the YouTube folks he always mentions Tariq by name and it's always positive even when we know good and well Tariq is doing things that's "off code". Again I'm not saying he should be attacking him but if he off code then simply don't mention him at that time. Lots of folks follow J Black and by him doing that it only adds confusion.

Also a lot of what he said on this show was mentioned in this thread word for word which leads me to believe he's a member.

Tariq executive produced his first movie 7am. He also allowed him to come on his show and speak and gave him alot of exposure in 2015. Tariq kinda saved J Black from Tommy Sotomayer (who gave him his start). J Black never speaks bad about him and Tariq never speaks ill of J. Black.
 
Tariq helped to produce 7AM, so TBA will never call him on anything, they both echo each other’s talking points from time to time and again, Jason Black paid Jared Taylor to be in this upcoming documentary Race War and now it’s time to donate to the film...there are some dots to be connected somewhere in all of that

Tariq executive produced his first movie 7am. He also allowed him to come on his show and speak and gave him alot of exposure in 2015. Tariq kinda saved J Black from Tommy Sotomayer (who gave him his start). J Black never speaks bad about him and Tariq never speaks ill of J. Black.
So whenever he speaks his name I should preface it with this information. It's a business decision basically.
 
Jason black is just simply weird. I remember when they were promoting 7 a.m. he had Tariq Nasheed doing the media promotions for it. I have always found that to be really strange. Like what the fuck is he hiding from?

And this is why I can't take Jason Black serious. This whole I'm going to criticize you yet hide my identity in the shadows is a bunch of nonsense. There must be something seriously wrong with this guy's appearance for him to keep up this act.
 
Tariq executive produced his first movie 7am. He also allowed him to come on his show and speak and gave him alot of exposure in 2015. Tariq kinda saved J Black from Tommy Sotomayer (who gave him his start). J Black never speaks bad about him and Tariq never speaks ill of J. Black.

This

When Tariq had J Black call in his show it was a green light. A whole new audience got hip to him at that point. I think that one call helped grow J Black's brand.
 
Tariq needs to study more and he can shut them down with simple facts.

No need to go all into the nonesense about blacks, negroes and colored. Once you talk on that level with them they know your either stupid or ignorant to law.

Also this shit is played out..once you reslly know what up you no longer say white supremacy...you say unam sanctum
 
Jason black is just simply weird. I remember when they were promoting 7 a.m. he had Tariq Nasheed doing the media promotions for it. I have always found that to be really strange. Like what the fuck is he hiding from?

You're absolutely right, he has some good stuff to say and i bought 7AM, it was thorough, but i dont get the hiding from view thing, especially with as much shit as he talks to his followers. I kinda get the psychology behind it, but it's odd.

He actually got mad at Boyce for mentioning that Jason Black was at the Black Empowerment 1 event and that he saw what he looked like
 
Tariq needs to study more and he can shut them down with simple facts.

No need to go all into the nonesense about blacks, negroes and colored. Once you talk on that level with them they know your either stupid or ignorant to law.

Also this shit is played out..once you reslly know what up you no longer say white supremacy...you say unam sanctum


I just call it euro inferiority ....

First off they aren't white if anything they

Are shades of pink from pale to hot pink if

They allow the sun to expose their true color

And you are right about the papal bull..

Notice they claim they can't find the original


It will expose too much...

It's really our fault though we should've never civilized and mixed with those beasts in Italy and spain...

Should've left them filthy dumb and disease ridden....
 
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Well said bruh...Emotional people make a lot of mistakes..I mean they are really making a big deal of him calling the white

Yes thank you bruh...I waa losing hope around here...These negros don't understand they are white men in black skin..They attacking Tariq like he the white supremacist...The self hate is as clear as day in this thread..Niggas feel accomplished by attacking another black man who is riding for them..The Cacs did nothing but mock Tariq the whole vid smh
See right here. Sounds like something exactly that Tariq is going to say in his next podcast to try a deflect that L he took. What you two fail to understand, is debating a white supremacist is never about just spewing fact. WS is not based on facts. Those white guys got exactly what they wanted, Tariq telling them they are the most powerful people on the earth, while only being 8% of the population. Tariq told them at one time we ruled the earth, and allowed white to come in dominate us and destroy everything black. Even said if they allowed us to have our own land, they would still come in a dominate us. They don't give a fuck about what not fair, or they are evil. Debating period is about winning the debate, not about being righteous. Stop being emotional and dense. Calling folks coons just for being honest is ignorant. Check my history, and you'll see this is the first time I ever spoke negatively on Tariq
 
Naw my man, i dont think the criticism of Tariq can be oversimplified to this conclusion. You're using common 'tariqisms' which are negative generaizations about black people when they don't agree 100% with whatever bullshit comes out of your mouth.

From Umar calling black people who didn't donate to his school 'trifling', to Jason Black calling all single black mothers 'handkerchief headed mammies of white supremacy', to Boyce calling black people who don't quit their job and start a business 'plantation slaves', to Tariq calling every black person who doesn't agree with him a 'coon', 'agent', or 'bedwench', we give these guys agency to do so without facing major criticism because we like their overall message or product.

The problem for them is when you do that or that's your shtick, then you damn well better be consistent and use that same tenacity and intellectual ruggedness in the face of white supremacy and white people when black people's eyes are watching.

In this case with Tariq as well as with Boyce and Charles Wu, they failed to be at least as prepared to put the intellectual or verbal smackdown on their opponents here as they were with Umar, Yvette Carnell, Cynthia G, Tommy Sotomayor, Roland Martin, etc.

Whether or not you believe the aforementioned list of black folks 'deserved' the treatment and calling out is irrelevant because Tariq, for example, does not give white folks the same 'work' as he does black opponents. From DJ Vlad, to Andrew Schultz and others Tariq is much more muted in his 'sassiness' and disrespect. I think that's where alot of the criticism is coming from.
You nailed it, and that last point is something I forgot to say. When Tariq is going after black people, we quick to make a puppet, call them walruses, crispy, n word this n word that, fuck boys, but when they white, calling them sir throughout the debate, or suspected white supremacist. Thank you Tariq, this is the debate that finally opened my eyes. I'll for sure watch him again, but not with the seriousness I had before. More for entertainment, and the here and there good info he drops
 
You nailed it, and that last point is something I forgot to say. When Tariq is going after black people, we quick to make a puppet, call them walruses, crispy, n word this n word that, fuck boys, but when they white, calling them sir throughout the debate, or suspected white supremacist. Thank you Tariq, this is the debate that finally opened my eyes. I'll for sure watch him again, but not with the seriousness I had before. More for entertainment, and the here and there good info he drops

Crispy
Hotep Walrus
Ace monkey
Boule Bird

And a respectful sir
 
How can anyone still take Tariq Nasheed seriously at this point? He is a HUSTLER, pure and simple. His habits are nomadic, chameleonic, and parasitic. He moves from one hustle to the next, and tailors his public image to suit whatever product he happens to be selling at the moment. When the demand for that particular product dries up, he will simply close up shop and move on to something else. Meanwhile, his constituents will continue to portray his flaws as virtues.

His so-called “contempt” for White supremacy is simply part of the act. Dude is CLEARLY enamored with White Supremacy and its architects. He could give less than a company fuck about Black empowerment and progress, because he buys into the exact same brand of Darwinian ruthlessness that the average White supremacist does. That’s why he’s always paying homage to hustlers and hustling culture.
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This has been so obvious since day one. Tariq went from gangsta rapper, to relationship guru, to pick up artist, to black empowerment speaker. Mark my words he will end up in the pulpit preaching. He's already and ordained minister. That will be his final stop on the hustle train. Tariq has always been great for entertainment. I enjoy laughing at him clowning and validating things I've always known about human behavior but to send this man money or lend any real credence to his hustles is a fool's errand. Just take him as the entertainer he's always been and keep your money in your pocket.
 
And this is why I can't take Jason Black serious. This whole I'm going to criticize you yet hide my identity in the shadows is a bunch of nonsense. There must be something seriously wrong with this guy's appearance for him to keep up this act.
Yeah, either he is not black, or afraid to reveal himself to white folks, because he's needs to eat and pay his bills
 
See right here. Sounds like something exactly that Tariq is going to say in his next podcast to try a deflect that L he took. What you two fail to understand, is debating a white supremacist is never about just spewing fact. WS is not based on facts. Those white guys got exactly what they wanted, Tariq telling them they are the most powerful people on the earth, while only being 8% of the population. Tariq told them at one time we ruled the earth, and allowed white to come in dominate us and destroy everything black. Even said if they allowed us to have our own land, they would still come in a dominate us. They don't give a fuck about what not fair, or they are evil. Debating period is about winning the debate, not about being righteous. Stop being emotional and dense. Calling folks coons just for being honest is ignorant. Check my history, and you'll see this is the first time I ever spoke negatively on Tariq
Why quote me what are you talking about?No substance...What are you saying
 
I win a vast majority of my debates anywhere because I understand how to pivot. I understand how to not let talking points get changed and I understand how to guide the debate back to it's intended purpose before you go down a rabbit hole of irrelevant shit

Tariq doesn't know how to do any of it.

Never, ever, EVER get off topic. Ask a question and don't move on or get sucked into talking point traps.
 
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Muthafuckas can't sTay on topic...Thread is about Tariq debating a white supremacist and Umar, Boyce and Jason Black all make there way up in here...But a weak argument will lead to that
 
OK I understand your angle now...So you saying Tariq lost the debate because he was honest with the white supremacist?
Tariq, I mean tablebreaker, he lost because the WS was better at debating his point of view, even though I know his view was full of shit. Umar would of been a much better man to debate against Jared.
 
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