Libertarianism Is Stupid As Fuck - Yeah I said it

Re: Minimum wage not enough to beat poverty, research says


People arguing against a lil hike in the minimum wage to help lift some of the bottom off of the government's
tit -- while ignoring and siding with rich cattle-cats feeding directly off of the government, for fucking free.


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Rancher Cliven Bundy hasn’t paid the BLM’s grazing fees since 1993

:smh: :smh: :smh:

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/...t-10-things-to-know-105735.html#ixzz2zBKYcTsr


 
Re: Minimum wage not enough to beat poverty, research says



Well, he's anti-government . . .

 
Re: Minimum wage not enough to beat poverty, research says


People arguing against a lil hike in the minimum wage to help lift some of the bottom off of the government's
tit -- while ignoring and siding with rich cattle-cats feeding directly off of the government, for fucking free.


cliven_bundy_getty_328.jpg


Rancher Cliven Bundy hasn’t paid the BLM’s grazing fees since 1993

:smh: :smh: :smh:

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/...t-10-things-to-know-105735.html#ixzz2zBKYcTsr



Bruh,
really.

You know and I know, these clowns are not against welfare or government spending, even exorbitant government spending. They're just against poor people getting it.
Don't pay your property taxes and have your neighbors stand in your front yard as the county/city tries to take your house and see if FNC and Alex Jones back you up.
This Bundy situation gets under my skin in a way I can't quite describe.

The only choices we have is to dig ourselves out of the hole by working together and sacrificing a generation or two, for the benifit and well being of the future.. By sacrafice I mean hard work for less pay across the board. Working on massive government projects such as state of the art, high speed railways, to replace national airlines. A commiment to build state of the art farms, do like the Russians did during the cold war by committing to a generation on scince and mathmatics. We must focus on quality of our citizens and get away from quanity, this is a touchy subject, due to this country's history of racim and the eugenics program that is based on race.
Now we can do that , or do nothing but grow and consume, and waiting for the job market to collaps, along with the economy, leading to the death of millions and the fall of the united states, and perhaps all of humanity.

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This whole thing was crazy but the bolded part stood out the most.
Generations are not something that can be sacrificed and have a positive outcome.
And I fail to see how working for less is any kind of answer. We can have all of those same works programs and initiatives without sacrificing wages.

I don't get why you think all these problems are going to be solved with a lower or non-existent minimum wage.

Why would people need to "work for less pay across the board" to achieve the good you're citing? Why are those good worth working for? Why is it a sacrifice to change what you think are bad habits? Doing the right thing for yourself is supposed to be an investment. Why can't people work for their current wages and spend less and save more? Why can't the welfare state be administered through the government instead of laws passed to have it administered through businesses?

This is the ultimate flaw of your thinking: forcing businesses to pay people what they're provably worth isn't welfare. Why should the government be even further involved in subsidizing businesses?
I didn't know you were big into that so I did learn something about your ideology that I hadn't learned before. I had always thought you didn't see the connection of welfare state spending and wages but clearly you do, you're just okay with it.
I am not. Instead of the state handing out money, I'm for businesses paying people a fair wage for work done.
 
Re: Minimum wage not enough to beat poverty, research says

Bruh,
really.

You know and I know, these clowns are not against welfare or government spending, even exorbitant government spending. They're just against poor people getting it.
Don't pay your property taxes and have your neighbors stand in your front yard as the county/city tries to take your house and see if FNC and Alex Jones back you up.
This Bundy situation gets under my skin in a way I can't quite describe.

Yeah. I know. :lol: I was just wanted to see what, if any, reaction from the right-wingers.




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Re: Minimum wage not enough to beat poverty, research says

Yeah. I know. :lol: I was just wanted to see what, if any, reaction from the right-wingers.




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:lol::lol:
I meant to say

Bruh
Really.

You know, I know, I know you know and you know I know you know...
 
Re: Minimum wage not enough to beat poverty, research says


People arguing against a lil hike in the minimum wage to help lift some of the bottom off of the government's
tit -- while ignoring and siding with rich cattle-cats feeding directly off of the government, for fucking free.


cliven_bundy_getty_328.jpg


Rancher Cliven Bundy hasn’t paid the BLM’s grazing fees since 1993

:smh: :smh: :smh:

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/...t-10-things-to-know-105735.html#ixzz2zBKYcTsr



Could it be he is just GREEDy?



Well, he's anti-government . . .




Conservatives Begin Backing Away after
Cliven Bundy’s Remarks Disparaging ‘the Negro’



April 24, 2014

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Mr. Cliven Bundy (center) is a father of 14 and a registered RepubliKlan


BUNKERVILLE, Nev. — Cliven Bundy stood by the Virgin River up the road from the armed checkpoint at the driveway of his ranch, signing autographs and posing for pictures. For 55 minutes, Mr. Bundy held forth to a clutch of supporters about his views on the troubled state of America — the overreaching federal government, the harassment of Western ranchers, the societal upheaval caused by abortion, even musing about whether slavery was so bad.....

.....He said he would continue holding a daily news conference; on Saturday, it drew one reporter and one photographer, so Mr. Bundy used the time to officiate at what was in effect a town meeting with supporters, discussing, in a long, loping discourse, the prevalence of abortion, the abuses of welfare and his views on race.<blockquote>

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked.

“They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/...-cliven-bundys-remarks-disparaging-the-negro/

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/u...ml?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-thecaucus&_r=2



 

Libertarian Hero Cliven Bundy Shockingly
Turns Out to Be Gigantic Racist



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Freedom equals slavery. Photo: George Frey/Getty Images


According to J.D. Tuccille of the libertarian magazine Reason, the Cliven Bundy standoff is about something larger and grander than mere grazing rights. It is about freedom-loving individuals fighting back against distant, bureaucratic government. “They see little reason,” he writes, “to leave their fate in the hands of a stumbling federal government that can't balance its books.”

Now Cliven Bundy, the deadbeat rancher embraced by Rand Paul and other freedom lovers, has added some thoughts of his own. In an interview with the New York Times, Bundy — introducing the topic with the brace-yourself-for-awkwardness segue “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro” — expounds:

They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.​

So apparently there’s more to Bundy’s cause than the existence of the federal budget deficit. Or, at least, his views on land rights and individual freedom come attached to a large side order of racism.

As it happens, just the other day, Tuccille expressed outrage over something I wrote. In a longer argument about the future of American politics, I suggested that conservatism in its current incarnation has no future in American politics because “America’s unique brand of ideological anti-statism is historically inseparable … from the legacy of slavery,” and thus will have little natural appeal to an increasingly diverse electorate. Tuccille shot back, “It's tempting to say 'what the fuck?' and take Chait's argument as an exercise in self-congratulatory lunacy.”

To his credit, Tuccille then went back and read my magazine story about racial politics in the Obama era, which tries to untangle the fraught relationship between racism and ideology. To his discredit, Tuccille summarized my point as follows: “No need for debate, it's all about internalized racism.” This is the precise opposite of my argument, which held that while conservatism and racism may be historically, sociologically, and psychologically inseparable, it is absolutely necessary to debate conservative ideas on their own terms. (Self-quote: “And yet — as vital as this revelation may be for understanding conservatism, it still should not be used to dismiss the beliefs of individual conservatives. Individual arguments need and deserve to be assessed on their own terms, not as the visible tip of a submerged agenda; ideas can’t be defined solely by their past associations and uses.” Seriously, somebody tell me how I could have made this point more explicitly.)

Most of the outrage against my argument came from the left, who objected to the “you need to argue with conservative ideas on their own terms” part, but Tuccille helped stoke some belated outrage on the right at the “yes, American conservatism is deeply intertwined with racism” part. In that spirit, I would absolutely concede that, while I find Bundy’s case completely unsympathetic, it is 100 percent possible to agree with his views on grazing rights without being racist.

Where we differ is that, I’d argue, it’s not exactly a coincidence that Bundy also turns out to be a gigantic racist. Just like Ron Paul’s longtime ghostwriter turned out to be a neoconfederate white supremacist. And like the way Rand Paul’s ghostwriter also turned out to be a neoconfederate white supremacist. Presumably all these revelations have struck Tuccille as a series of shocking coincidences.

Why do all these people with strong antipathy toward the federal government turn out to be racists?



http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/04/cliven-bundy-shockingly-turns-out-to-be-racist.html



 
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