Let's help pres. Obama biss this jobs bill!!!

[humble]

I know there are many vocal Pres. Obama supporters on this board, so I am asking everyone to spread the links that I am posting below on every social network that you visit. If you can speak LOUDLY and DEFEND the POTUS, then ACT LOUDLY and SUPPORT the POTUS.

I must admit that I was disappointed in the POTUS, because he wasn't able to get congress to pass some of his plans as originally intended. However, I was at fault as well. Although, I voted for dem officials in the midterms of 2010, I didn't do ENOUGH to support the POTUS. I should've contacted my state's elected officials when the POTUS wanted a public option in the health bill, or when he wanted a balanced approach in the debt ceiling debate. Thus, I will take ACTION NOW. It only takes a click of a link and to copy and paste that link to spread the word!

Before I head to the Capitol‏

I'm about to head to the Capitol to ask Congress to act on my plan to put Americans back to work.

Before I do, I wanted to write you directly to remind you that the fight to create jobs -- and provide the kind of economic security for middle-class families that's been slipping away over the last decade -- won't begin or end with the speech I give tonight.

What happens will be up to you. In the coming days and weeks, it will be up to you to pressure Congress to act -- or hold them accountable if they do not.

If you're with me, let me know. And the campaign will make sure you are looped into our efforts to support this plan.

Talk to you soon,

Barack

LINK TO SUPPORT THE POTUS' JOBS BILL:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/o2012-back-to-work-signon?source=20110908_bo_bt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=obama&utm_campaign=20110908_bo_bt&keycode=81c426985235f8e2fc9d8a56d53a3c4b%%CUSTOM_DATASET[slug=file_dataset,key=file_hash]

THIS LINK WILL HELP YOU FIND YOUR STATE'S ELECTED OFFICIALS:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/findyourreps.xpd?state=NY

THIS LINK EXPLAINS AND FIGHTS FOR A CAUSE TO HELP HOMEOWNERS:
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=612482

 

[humble]

Re: Let's help pres. Obama PASS this jobs bill!!!

Mods please fix the title if you can to PASS instead of biss. I am dyslexic. Thanks.

 

[humble]

Re: Let's help pres. Obama PASS this jobs bill!!!

biss is slang for pass!

 

[Gunner]

Obama is a magician who has run out of tricks? If this bill led to your employer taking an extra grand out of your paycheck would you still be for it?

FACT CHECK: Obama's jobs plan paid for? Seems not

By CALVIN WOODWARD and TOM RAUM
Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama's promise Thursday that everything in his jobs plan will be paid for rests on highly iffy propositions.

It will only be paid for if a committee he can't control does his bidding, if Congress puts that into law and if leaders in the future - the ones who will feel the fiscal pinch of his proposals - don't roll it back.

Underscoring the gravity of the nation's high employment rate, Obama chose a joint session of Congress, normally reserved for a State of the Union speech, to lay out his proposals. But if the moment was extraordinary, the plan he presented was conventional Washington rhetoric in one respect: It employs sleight-of-hand accounting.

A look at some of Obama's claims and how they compare with the facts:

OBAMA: "Everything in this bill will be paid for. Everything."

THE FACTS: Obama did not spell out exactly how he would pay for the measures contained in his nearly $450 billion American Jobs Act but said he would send his proposed specifics in a week to the new congressional supercommittee charged with finding budget savings. White House aides suggested that new deficit spending in the near term to try to promote job creation would be paid for in the future - the "out years," in legislative jargon - but they did not specify what would be cut or what revenues they would use.

Essentially, the jobs plan is an IOU from a president and lawmakers who may not even be in office down the road when the bills come due. Today's Congress cannot bind a later one for future spending. A future Congress could simply reverse it.

Currently, roughly all federal taxes and other revenues are consumed in spending on various federal benefit programs, including Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, veterans' benefits, food stamps, farm subsidies and other social-assistance programs and payments on the national debt. Pretty much everything else is done on credit with borrowed money.

So there is no guarantee that programs that clearly will increase annual deficits in the near term will be paid for in the long term.

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OBAMA: "Everything in here is the kind of proposal that's been supported by both Democrats and Republicans, including many who sit here tonight."

THE FACTS: Obama's proposed cut in the Social Security payroll tax does seem likely to garner significant GOP support. But Obama proposes paying for the plan in part with tax increases that have already generated stiff Republican opposition.

For instance, Obama makes a pitch anew to end Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, which he has defined as couples earning over $250,000 a year or individuals over $200,000 a year. Republicans have adamantly blocked what they view as new taxes. As recently as last month, House Republicans refused to go along with any deal to raise the government's borrowing authority that included new revenues, or taxes.

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OBAMA: "It will not add to the deficit."

THE FACTS: It's hard to see how the program would not raise the deficit over the next year or two because most of the envisioned spending cuts and tax increases are designed to come later rather than now, when they could jeopardize the fragile recovery. Deficits are calculated for individual years. The accumulation of years of deficit spending has produced a national debt headed toward $15 trillion. Perhaps Obama meant to say that, in the long run, his hoped-for programs would not further increase the national debt, not annual deficits.

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OBAMA: "The American Jobs Act answers the urgent need to create jobs right away."

THE FACTS: Not all of the president's major proposals are likely to yield quick job growth if adopted. One is to set up a national infrastructure bank to raise private capital for roads, rail, bridges, airports and waterways. Even supporters of such a bank doubt it could have much impact on jobs in the next two years because it takes time to set up. The idea is likely to run into opposition from some Republicans who say such a bank would give the federal government too much power. They'd rather divide money among existing state infrastructure banks.

 

[humble]

Obama is a magician who has run out of tricks? If this bill led to your employer taking an extra grand out of your paycheck would you still be for it?

FACT CHECK: Obama's jobs plan paid for? Seems not

By CALVIN WOODWARD and TOM RAUM
Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama's promise Thursday that everything in his jobs plan will be paid for rests on highly iffy propositions.

It will only be paid for if a committee he can't control does his bidding, if Congress puts that into law and if leaders in the future - the ones who will feel the fiscal pinch of his proposals - don't roll it back.

Underscoring the gravity of the nation's high employment rate, Obama chose a joint session of Congress, normally reserved for a State of the Union speech, to lay out his proposals. But if the moment was extraordinary, the plan he presented was conventional Washington rhetoric in one respect: It employs sleight-of-hand accounting.

A look at some of Obama's claims and how they compare with the facts:

OBAMA: "Everything in this bill will be paid for. Everything."

THE FACTS: Obama did not spell out exactly how he would pay for the measures contained in his nearly $450 billion American Jobs Act but said he would send his proposed specifics in a week to the new congressional supercommittee charged with finding budget savings. White House aides suggested that new deficit spending in the near term to try to promote job creation would be paid for in the future - the "out years," in legislative jargon - but they did not specify what would be cut or what revenues they would use.

Essentially, the jobs plan is an IOU from a president and lawmakers who may not even be in office down the road when the bills come due. Today's Congress cannot bind a later one for future spending. A future Congress could simply reverse it.

Currently, roughly all federal taxes and other revenues are consumed in spending on various federal benefit programs, including Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, veterans' benefits, food stamps, farm subsidies and other social-assistance programs and payments on the national debt. Pretty much everything else is done on credit with borrowed money.

So there is no guarantee that programs that clearly will increase annual deficits in the near term will be paid for in the long term.

---

OBAMA: "Everything in here is the kind of proposal that's been supported by both Democrats and Republicans, including many who sit here tonight."

THE FACTS: Obama's proposed cut in the Social Security payroll tax does seem likely to garner significant GOP support. But Obama proposes paying for the plan in part with tax increases that have already generated stiff Republican opposition.

For instance, Obama makes a pitch anew to end Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, which he has defined as couples earning over $250,000 a year or individuals over $200,000 a year. Republicans have adamantly blocked what they view as new taxes. As recently as last month, House Republicans refused to go along with any deal to raise the government's borrowing authority that included new revenues, or taxes.

---

OBAMA: "It will not add to the deficit."

THE FACTS: It's hard to see how the program would not raise the deficit over the next year or two because most of the envisioned spending cuts and tax increases are designed to come later rather than now, when they could jeopardize the fragile recovery. Deficits are calculated for individual years. The accumulation of years of deficit spending has produced a national debt headed toward $15 trillion. Perhaps Obama meant to say that, in the long run, his hoped-for programs would not further increase the national debt, not annual deficits.

---

OBAMA: "The American Jobs Act answers the urgent need to create jobs right away."

THE FACTS: Not all of the president's major proposals are likely to yield quick job growth if adopted. One is to set up a national infrastructure bank to raise private capital for roads, rail, bridges, airports and waterways. Even supporters of such a bank doubt it could have much impact on jobs in the next two years because it takes time to set up. The idea is likely to run into opposition from some Republicans who say such a bank would give the federal government too much power. They'd rather divide money among existing state infrastructure banks.

Then click on the links that I provided, so that you can contact your elected officials to make the necessary adjustments to the jobs bill. Does that work for you?

 

[BrainChild09]

Then click on the links that I provided, so that you can contact your elected officials to make the necessary adjustments to the jobs bill. Does that work for you?

That was a nice & calm response, I appreciate that. We don't get too many of those on this board.

Anyways, what is the "8-11-2011, Never Forget" beside your screen name all about?

 

[GET YOU HOT]

GOP is so bitter, all they do is oppose everything the President proposes...



TYRANNY

 

[humble]

That was a nice & calm response, I appreciate that. We don't get too many of those on this board.

Anyways, what is the "8-11-2011, Never Forget" beside your screen name all about?

Board politics. That is when a racist white "member" was voluntarily ousted from the board.

 

[humble]

GOP is so bitter, all they do is oppose everything the President proposes...



TYRANNY

That is why we have to take action to make sure that the will of the people will be met!

 

[BrainChild09]

That is why we have to take action to make sure that the will of the people will be met!

I take issue with the whole "will of the people" thing. Both sides can & do make this claim, that their's is the "will of the people." Both sides have polls that will support this vague idea. There is no monolithic "people" who possess a single "will." Don't you agree?

 

[humble]

I take issue with the whole "will of the people" thing. Both sides can & do make this claim, that their's is the "will of the people." Both sides have polls that will support this vague idea. There is no monolithic "people" who possess a single "will." Don't you agree?

Whoever voices their concern is the people. The amalgamation of those who voice their concern will be the more of their will that will be met.

 

[BrainChild09]

Whoever voices their concern is the people. The amalgamation of those who voice their concern will be the more of their will that will be met.

So if the tea partiers & GOP supporters make their voices heard more & more policies that they support get passed than the other way around, then you concede that the will of the people was met. Matter fact, since they have voiced their concerns & they're being addressed, then by your logic the will of the people is being met. Correct?

 

[Upgrade Dave]

So if the tea partiers & GOP supporters make their voices heard more & more policies that they support get passed than the other way around, then you concede that the will of the people was met. Matter fact, since they have voiced their concerns & they're being addressed, then by your logic the will of the people is being met. Correct?

Yep. The people that care enough to vote are the only ones that count.

 

[humble]

So if the tea partiers & GOP supporters make their voices heard more & more policies that they support get passed than the other way around, then you concede that the will of the people was met. Matter fact, since they have voiced their concerns & they're being addressed, then by your logic the will of the people is being met. Correct?

Correct. That is why I'm taking action by passing these links around. I want as many voices to be heard on this matter as possible. Do you disagree with that action?

 

[BrainChild09]

Correct. That is why I'm taking action by passing these links around. I want as many voices to be heard on this matter as possible. Do you disagree with that action?

No I don't disagree with you taking action on something you believe in. I'm just saying that by your logic, whatever the politicians do to satisfy the sentiments of the people they're hearing means they are serving the "will of the people." So everything that the GOP is pursuing is just as much the "will of the people" as are measures pursued by the Democrats.

Why would we need to call to get Obama's jobs plan passed then? The will of the people is served either way by your logic.

 

[humble]

No I don't disagree with you taking action on something you believe in. I'm just saying that by your logic, whatever the politicians do to satisfy the sentiments of the people they're hearing means they are serving the "will of the people." So everything that the GOP is pursuing is just as much the "will of the people" as are measures pursued by the Democrats.

Why would we need to call to get Obama's jobs plan passed then? The will of the people is served either way by your logic.

Because it is our right as Americans to have our voices heard by our elected officials. That is why I am contacting my elected officials on this matter, and is why I am sharing the links for those that may be interested. I am hoping a NEW WILL is enacted for the people. Any further questions?

 

[Gunner]

Board politics. That is when a racist white "member" was voluntarily ousted from the board.

Please!!! So after a trillion dollar stimulus and a promise that unemployment would not go over 8%. The people as you say are suppose to give up a couple more billion. To boot to brush me off, you turn to race to make your point valid. Typical of most libs. When you can't compete in the realm of ideas you resort to race or the haves and the have nots.

 

[Gunner]

Yep. The people that care enough to vote are the only ones that count.

So Dave are you on record for another stimulus? Or should we not not call it that?

 

[BrainChild09]

Because it is our right as Americans to have our voices heard by our elected officials. That is why I am contacting my elected officials on this matter, and is why I am sharing the links for those that may be interested. I am hoping a NEW WILL is enacted for the people. Any further questions?

Nope, no further questions. I just wanted to be sure that you didn't really want the "will of the people" to be served. You simply want your will & those that you agree with's will to be served. Screw what others want.

 

[humble]

Nope, no further questions. I just wanted to be sure that you didn't really want the "will of the people" to be served. You simply want your will & those that you agree with's will to be served. Screw what others want.

Brother, please don't include your misjudgment with my statements. I said that I am HOPING that a new will is enacted for the people. Regardless of my hope, I will spread the links to make it easier for all of those that want to voice their concerns of the plan with their elected leaders. If you have a different opinion of how the plan should be implemented, then contact your elected officials. Simple as that.

Do you have anymore statements or questions?

 

[humble]

Please!!! So after a trillion dollar stimulus and a promise that unemployment would not go over 8%. The people as you say are suppose to give up a couple more billion. To boot to brush me off, you turn to race to make your point valid. Typical of most libs. When you can't compete in the realm of ideas you resort to race or the haves and the have nots.

WTF are you talking about dude? You need to calm down and comprehend what you read. A member of the board asked me what 8/11/2011 stood for, and my response to his question is what you quoted; it has nothing to do with this topic.

Furthermore, when did I brush you off? I gave you a valid response, which is contact your elected leaders.

If you have a different opinion of how the plan should be implemented, then you should contact your state's elected officials to voice your concern.

 

[BrainChild09]

Brother, please don't include your misjudgment with my statements. I said that I am HOPING that a new will is enacted for the people. Regardless of my hope, I will spread the links to make it easier for all of those that want to voice their concerns of the plan with their elected leaders. If you have a different opinion of how the plan should be implemented, then contact your elected officials. Simple as that.

Do you have anymore statements or questions?

Again I'm glad you're involving yourself in the political process. But what was my misjudgement of your statements?

 

[Gunner]

WTF are you talking about dude? You need to calm down and comprehend what you read. A member of the board asked me what 8/11/2011 stood for, and my response to his question is what you quoted; it has nothing to do with this topic.

Furthermore, when did I brush you off? I gave you a valid response, which is contact your elected leaders.

If you have a different opinion of how the plan should be implemented, then you should contact your state's elected officials to voice your concern.

Look at you!
Answer the question? His first plan failed. Why should we give him more money? Contact my leaders for what? My leaders want his ass out. You see, the problem with you is you have this mindset that Obama has a magic money tree behind the white house. We are deficit spending right now. Where is the money going to come from? Answer the freakin question!!! Are you willing to give up more of your salary for Obama? I think not. Either you don't understand how wealth is created or you fall into the 47% of Americans who pay no taxes.

What I quoted was an AP story pertaining to the speech the snake oil salesman gave the other night. Seem like you bought all of his bottles.

 

[humble]

You simply want your will & those that you agree with's will to be served. Screw what others want.

Your quotation above is a misjudgment. I didn't say any of that stuff YOU wrote.

I want everyone to have a say in this jobs bill. The people who voice their concerns will add up, and those with the most similar concerns will be the ones that essentially craft this bill.

 

[humble]

Look at you!
Answer the question? His first plan failed. Why should we give him more money? Contact my leaders for what? My leaders want his ass out. You see, the problem with you is you have this mindset that Obama has a magic money tree behind the white house. We are deficit spending right now. Where is the money going to come from? Answer the freakin question!!! Are you willing to give up more of your salary for Obama? I think not. Either you don't understand how wealth is created or you fall into the 47% of Americans who pay no taxes.

What I quoted was an AP story pertaining to the speech the snake oil salesman gave the other night. Seem like you bought all of his bottles.

Stop with your assumptions. You don't know what I think. Your leaders want his ass out. Thats cool. I guess when the jobs bill passes you'll be happy with it, because it'll contain some of the things you supported. Cool! It's great to know that you're apart of the political process.

One more thing, please address all of your questions to your state's elected officials. That's their job; not mine. Thank you for your contribution.

 

[BrainChild09]

That is why we have to take action to make sure that the will of the people will be met!

This statement is why I said what I said. We don't have to take action on getting the President's latest proposal passed or tweaked to make sure the will of the people will be met. As we concluded following your logic the will of the people is already being met because the politicians are responding to those who are making their voices loudest. That being the GOP voters, so-called tea partiers, and many independents.

 

[QueEx]

. . . the politicians are responding to those who are making their voices loudest. That being the GOP voters, so-called tea partiers, and many independents.

Unfortunately, those loudest often are in the minority.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

So Dave are you on record for another stimulus? Or should we not not call it that?

I'm for it. Call it what you want.
More money for infrastructure, more money for states so that they can stop cutting jobs, more targeted investment that has visible stimulative effects (like unemployment benefits).

 

[QueEx]

'm for it. Call it what you want.
More money for infrastructure, more money for states so that they can stop cutting jobs, more targeted investment that has visible stimulative effects (like unemployment benefits).

. . . and not use it instead to pad their failing budgets.

 

[BrainChild09]

Because it is our right as Americans to have our voices heard by our elected officials. That is why I am contacting my elected officials on this matter, and is why I am sharing the links for those that may be interested. I am hoping a NEW WILL is enacted for the people. Any further questions?

So I clicked on the links you provided. One is simply to make a donation to Obama's campaign. One to find our elected officials. The other is about the NY Attorney General & how he's fighting the federal government/the Obama administration in order to prosecute the big banks on potentially foul play with mortgage mishandling. This seems to me like an indication that President Obama is not the man we should have as POTUS since he also supports corporatism & protecting big bankers at the middle class's expense. Even the host in the video you attached to that post says it. Like he explains, the government officials who support the banks still use language about "helping the homeowners" and "helping the middle class", but all the while they're really supporting Wall Street & the banks. I believe the same thing is being done with the American Jobs Act; proposals that sound like they're for helping the middle-class & the poor that are really designed by & for the big businesses, labor unions, & other special interests to enrich them at our expense.

 

[BrainChild09]

Unfortunately, those loudest often are in the minority.

I don't whether that is true or not, but the OP is saying whoever makes themselves heard the loudest represents the "will of the people." I'm just saying that there is no such thing as a "will of the people."

 

[humble]

So I clicked on the links you provided. One is simply to make a donation to Obama's campaign. One to find our elected officials. The other is about the NY Attorney General & how he's fighting the federal government/the Obama administration in order to prosecute the big banks on potentially foul play with mortgage mishandling. This seems to me like an indication that President Obama is not the man we should have as POTUS since he also supports corporatism & protecting big bankers at the middle class's expense. Even the host in the video you attached to that post says it. Like he explains, the government officials who support the banks still use language about "helping the homeowners" and "helping the middle class", but all the while they're really supporting Wall Street & the banks. I believe the same thing is being done with the American Jobs Act; proposals that sound like they're for helping the middle-class & the poor that are really designed by & for the big businesses, labor unions, & other special interests to enrich them at our expense.

After all this back and forth you finally clicked the links; I'm glad you took action.

The first link is a choice to donate to Obama's campaign. One can either donate or not after they have visited the first page.

I am apart of this government "We the People," and as such I voice my concerns with my elected officials, so when I saw the deal that was being brokered by the Obama admin in favor of the banks, I decided to contact the AG of NY, and my elected officials to voice my support for further investigation of the banks, because I didn't agree with the admin's stance on this issue.

I am an Obama supporter, but I don't have to agree with everything he pursues. If he has a proposal that he wants passed by congress and I happen to disagree with some of the details, then I will contact my elected leaders to voice my concerns. That is how government works.

 

[humble]

This statement is why I said what I said. We don't have to take action on getting the President's latest proposal passed or tweaked to make sure the will of the people will be met. As we concluded following your logic the will of the people is already being met because the politicians are responding to those who are making their voices loudest. That being the GOP voters, so-called tea partiers, and many independents.

If you feel that the GOP, members of the tea party, etc are meeting the needs of the people, then you are correct. Don't contact your elected officials regarding this jobs bill. Everything that you support will be supported by the GOP.

I feel that the totality of voices haven't been heard, so I will share the links to as many individuals that I can, so that they can be involved in the process. I am encouraging all to participate.

From your responses, I gather that you feel that all are participating. However, I think that more should participate. Thus, I will continue to do what I need to do to get more voices on board, and I suppose you will do nothing, because the GOP is already taking care of your needs, which is perfectly fine.

 

[BrainChild09]

If you feel that the GOP, members of the tea party, etc are meeting the needs of the people, then you are correct. Don't contact your elected officials regarding this jobs bill. Everything that you support will be supported by the GOP.

I feel that the totality of voices haven't been heard, so I will share the links to as many individuals that I can, so that they can be involved in the process. I am encouraging all to participate.

From your responses, I gather that you feel that all are participating. However, I think that more should participate. Thus, I will continue to do what I need to do to get more voices on board, and I suppose you will do nothing, because the GOP is already taking care of your needs, which is perfectly fine.

Now you're including your misjudgments with my statements. I am doinng something & I do not feel that the GOP is already "taking care of my needs" (whatever that means). I didn't click on the links initially because I had already listened to the President's entire speech on the plan. I assumed the links were about the bill since that's what you wat us to contact our congressmen about. I was surprised that none of the links included any information on them, that was odd.

I think people can & do participate in the "process" without making calls related to this particular bill. The future for this country doesn't revolve around President Obama's latest proposal & whether it passes or not (with or without it being tweaked). What I was really trying to present to you was how this proposal is also another case of corporatism just like the issue with the NY Attorney General. I know you said you don't support everything President Obama is doing but what proposals do you support? Is there a good chance that those proposals aren't truly designed what he purports them to?

 

[humble]

Now you're including your misjudgments with my statements. I am doinng something & I do not feel that the GOP is already "taking care of my needs" (whatever that means). I didn't click on the links initially because I had already listened to the President's entire speech on the plan. I assumed the links were about the bill since that's what you wat us to contact our congressmen about. I was surprised that none of the links included any information on them, that was odd.

I think people can & do participate in the "process" without making calls related to this particular bill. The future for this country doesn't revolve around President Obama's latest proposal & whether it passes or not (with or without it being tweaked). What I was really trying to present to you was how this proposal is also another case of corporatism just like the issue with the NY Attorney General. I know you said you don't support everything President Obama is doing but what proposals do you support? Is there a good chance that those proposals aren't truly designed what he purports them to?

I said IF you are...in my response to you.

You said, YOU (referring to me) don't or want... as if you knew what I was thinking. That was a misjudgment.

Brother, if you have concerns with ANY piece of legislation, then please contact your elected leaders. Please field all of your questions to your elected leaders. That is their job.

I have the same thread on the main board with the same misspelled title. Please check that thread, because there are links that other members shared, which details the specifics of the bill.

Additionally, if you want further information on the proposal you can go to Whitehouse.gov, senate.gov, or house.gov. You can also go to cspan.com, or you can watch all 3 of the cspan channels that operate 24/7 to get further information.