Lebron Exposed! Never Compare him to MJ again!

Mannn yah cats are quick to crown a new king and even quicker to dethrone him. The Lebrons beat the Pistons, shouldn't have happened but it did when Detroit suddenly and inexplicably stopped playing any real defense except Rasheed (dudes running out of the way of dunks instead of shot blocking or at least attempting the block -- Tayshaun).

Now the Cavs are playing a team that actually plays defense (team defense) and has a dude on the court that takes pride in playing D cuz that his meal ticket and the Cavs are being exposed for exactly who we knew they were (props to Denny Green for that line -- most honest post game ever).

This ain't a knock on Lebron, just part of his maturation process after all he never had college to have key games to perform in so he's actually ahead of the curve, but in a much different league than Jordan played in at the same stage of his career, so comparisons have to be thrown out.

The Cavs will prolly get they asses swept, whether they'll ever be back is up to Lebron stepping his game up and Cleveland management building a better team, but to compare Lebron to Jordan on any level besides the fact that they both played pro basketball is fuckin' retarded. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
CeeloChamp said:
hes 24 but ur absolutely right

if jordan hit the nba after highschool, he would be a bum

im not saying compare lebron to jordan but lebron took his team to the finals

out of highschool and at an earlier age

what happens when u overhype someone, ur quick to call them a failure

if they dont achieve what a previous great achieved, but people fail to realize

that age and time matters

so even if lebron loses in the finals who cares he has a million more years to

win it and he will atleast once

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Somebody else posted this before.. This is the most Bullshit i've ever read. So if we are to go by age, if Kobe gets some help around him, he'll be the G.O.AT when he retires @ 40 Like Mike did ????
 
Blu Diablo said:
Mannn yah cats are quick to crown a new king and even quicker to dethrone him. The Lebrons beat the Pistons, shouldn't have happened but it did when Detroit suddenly and inexplicably stopped playing any real defense except Rasheed (dudes running out of the way of dunks instead of shot blocking or at least attempting the block -- Tayshaun).

Now the Cavs are playing a team that actually plays defense (team defense) and has a dude on the court that takes pride in playing D cuz that his meal ticket and the Cavs are being exposed for exactly who we knew they were (props to Denny Green for that line -- most honest post game ever).

This ain't a knock on Lebron, just part of his maturation process after all he never had college to have key games to perform in so he's actually ahead of the curve, but in a much different league than Jordan played in at the same stage of his career, so comparisons have to be thrown out.

The Cavs will prolly get they asses swept, whether they'll ever be back is up to Lebron stepping his game up and Cleveland management building a better team, but to compare Lebron to Jordan on any level besides the fact that they both played pro basketball is fuckin' retarded. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

On point as usual.
 
Blu Diablo said:
Mannn yah cats are quick to crown a new king and even quicker to dethrone him. The Lebrons beat the Pistons, shouldn't have happened but it did when Detroit suddenly and inexplicably stopped playing any real defense except Rasheed (dudes running out of the way of dunks instead of shot blocking or at least attempting the block -- Tayshaun).

Now the Cavs are playing a team that actually plays defense (team defense) and has a dude on the court that takes pride in playing D cuz that his meal ticket and the Cavs are being exposed for exactly who we knew they were (props to Denny Green for that line -- most honest post game ever).

This ain't a knock on Lebron, just part of his maturation process after all he never had college to have key games to perform in so he's actually ahead of the curve, but in a much different league than Jordan played in at the same stage of his career, so comparisons have to be thrown out.

The Cavs will prolly get they asses swept, whether they'll ever be back is up to Lebron stepping his game up and Cleveland management building a better team, but to compare Lebron to Jordan on any level besides the fact that they both played pro basketball is fuckin' retarded. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


great point, Bron Bron is kinda ahead of the learning curve, i know he's in the NBA, everybody on here seems to agree that he needs some help in Cleveland, will he get it most likely, but I think they could make things happen with this team, if they get discipline on defense, and Bron Bron mid range game gets better along with the foul line, Mike Brown is doing a nice job with this young team, so give them a great off season, they could be here often,

I do think this is a nice showing for free agents,
 
Mask said:
great point, Bron Bron is kinda ahead of the learning curve, i know he's in the NBA, everybody on here seems to agree that he needs some help in Cleveland, will he get it most likely, but I think they could make things happen with this team, if they get discipline on defense, and Bron Bron mid range game gets better along with the foul line, Mike Brown is doing a nice job with this young team, so give them a great off season, they could be here often,

I do think this is a nice showing for free agents,

This was their chance. Coz next year the wizards will be back and it wont be that Easy, CHICAGO BULLS WILL LITERALLY WIPE THE FLOOR WITH LE BROOOM AND THE CAVS. THE RAPTORS WILL COME BACK STRONG TOO. STOP HYPING UP THE KID, HE AINT DONE SHIT YET, BUT BE ON FIRE ON 1 GAME AGAINST THE PISTONS. ANYBODY CAN BE ON FIRE ON ANY GIVEN DAY..
 
FJP said:
To be honest Jordan wouldnt beat San Antonio with that Cleveland team. Spurs team is very deep, they play excellent D and when Crunch time comes they have a superior big man. Shit Jordans Bulls might not have beat This Spurs team. The Spurs play an old school type of ball. People may not like it but they are a GREAT team. They can beat you anyway. They got fast break players in Parker/Ginobli, big man in Duncan, and most of their role players used to be starters or in Finleys case All Stars.

Just sometime you come along at the wrong time. Like Ewing, Malone and Barkley did.


CO-Sign! :yes:

Most wont agree but thank you for saying it!
 
Take a chill pill nobody masters their carft in a few years. Hes good but their is plenty of room for improvement. Kobe just got his jumper potent over the last few years. Mike didnt get that fall away until late in his career. Let dude go thru his growin pains you cant have wisdom and youth at the same time. Relax yall damm!
 
This Cavaliers team is probably the worst (in terms of their roster of top-to-bottom talent) to ever make it to the finals. They have no business being there, which makes what Lebron accomplished, single-handedly, all the more remarkable. He's not the "problem." lol. Anyone who thought they actually had a chance against the great San Antonio dynasty, featuring the game's best player over the last decade, must've been smokin' somethin'. Cleveland would've barely made the playoffs if they were in the West. Their win over Detroit was their championship. Nothin' to be ashamed of.
 
he's got to improve his shooting, i mean he's so quick and big but he does not know how to use his strength....he does not look comfortable posting up. he needs to because he can't shoot for shit.
 
FJP said:
Shit Jordans Bulls might not have beat This Spurs team. The Spurs play an old school type of ball. People may not like it but they are a GREAT team.

I respect the Spurs. They have a great team but the Bulls beat BETTER teams. The Chicago Bulls beat the Spurs just like the others... a series never makes it to game 7.
 
Blunt said:
This Cavaliers team is probably the worst (in terms of their roster of top-to-bottom talent) to ever make it to the finals. They have no business being there, which makes what Lebron accomplished, single-handedly, all the more remarkable. He's not the "problem." lol. Anyone who thought they actually had a chance against the great San Antonio dynasty, featuring the game's best player over the last decade, must've been smokin' somethin'.

I gotta cosign this. The Cavs team has to be the least accomplished unit to ever make it to the finals and that is a testament to Lebron.
 
ucantcme73 said:
People act like Jordan never missed a shot or ever made an mistake. Most of you peeps in here only knowledge of Jordan is from youtube clips where all they show is highlights

Yeah I was watching ESPN classic and I was surprised at some of the mistakes that greats like Bird, Magic, Kareen, Jordan, Pippen and the Pistons were making. We tend to idealize their games after all these years. They were beasts but everyone makes mistakes.
 
Lebron will be the next greatest player in the nba once Kobe leaves.I'am not a lebron james hater,he's just a young kid,still bitting his nails.....physically he's ready for the nba,mentally he's not.Those double teams keep coming at him and he,doesn't spin the oppisit(sp?) way.Like Mj or Kobe..He doesn't believe in his jumper until it's to late.They take away his drive and he's right at the free throw line,but he doesn't pull up and shoot?He just wants to drive like k-mart and D-wade until they also got exposed and people realized that they can't hit the mid-long range jumper.D-wade work on his last summer.I just want lebron to keep shooting even if he missed the last 40 shots,he's the franchised player stop passing it to bum ass players on your team like valjero(sp?) You don't give him the ball at the end of the game!!But I was happy he did at least took the last shot at the end even though he missed it!
 
DaleMabry said:
Yeah I was watching ESPN classic and I was surprised at some of the mistakes that greats like Bird, Magic, Kareen, Jordan, Pippen and the Pistons were making. We tend to idealize their games after all these years. They were beasts but everyone makes mistakes.

Word.


I'm still dramatized from 87.. ECF...game 5.. Zeke tosses the ball in with 5 second left... Bird steals.. passes to DJ who lays it in..Celtics win by 1... I almost had a damn heart attack that night :lol:
 
When is the world going to stop comparing him to the wrong MJ.



Because he's not the next Michael Jordan but more so the next Magic Johnson. His game is much more similar to Magic's than Jordan. His Size is also more Magic johnson and less Jordan. He brings the ball up the floor, he passes, he plays on the low block..... etc. All the critics and analyst have had it wrong since day one. When his career starts to take off and he begins to average triple doubles night in and night out then you'll know what I'm talking about.
 
Blunt said:
Jordan was 28 when he finally made it to the finals (with Pippen's help). Lebron is only 22 (and all alone).

Give it up.

what the Fuck? Jordan had to play against Charles Barkley, Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, Hakeem Olajuan, Reggie Miller, Dennis Rodman, Bill Lambeer, Dominic Wilkins, Larry Bird, Patrick Ewing and the Knicks etc...thats why. Another ignant statement down the drain!
 
Backshot Bully said:
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SAYS WHO ?
YOU KNOW HOW MANY GREAT NBA PLAYERS LEFT THE LEAUGUE WITH NO RING ?


THE ONLY PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE TODAY THAT"S EVEN COMPARABLE TO MJ IS KOBE

LEBROOM DOES"NT HAVE THE SAME HEART AND PASSION FOR THE GAME AS MJ OR EVEN KOBE




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co-fuckin-sign :yes:
 
eewwll said:
I respect the Spurs. They have a great team but the Bulls beat BETTER teams. The Chicago Bulls beat the Spurs just like the others... a series never makes it to game 7.

You have your opinion. I have mine. I think this Spurs team could beat any team the Bulls beat. They have the greatest PF of all time In my opinion, who may I add shows up in the Finals, (Bout to be on his 4th Finals MVP). Thats nearing Jordan range. Most importantly their best player doesnt have to score the most points for them to win.

The only team I dont think these spurs would have beat was the LA team...But then again I do because that LA team was at the end of their run of competitiveness when they met the Bulls.

I think they'd beat those Suns because the Suns for the most part still play the same way now. The Spurs play D and Barkley OR Joe Klein or AC Green or whoever you put on Duncan would have been a mismatch.

The Blazers I cant lie were good but Tony Parker I think would take advantage of Terry Porter on the speed tip and Bruce Bowen would give Drexler alot of Comp and again....Buck Williams or Kevin Duckworth wouldnt be able to handle Duncan,plus the deepness of the Spurs bench. I'd say atleast 4 players on their bench can start on about half the teams in the league right now.
 
ronmch20 said:
You fuckers are so fickle. When LeBron was taking Detroit apart you were calling him potentially the G.O.A.T Now he's shit???? Even Jordan couldn't do it alone. When LeBron gets some really talented help and Cleveland starts kickin' ass on the regular, fair weather bitches like you will climb right back on the band wagon. :mad:


WTF you are you talking about? :hmm: When did I call Lebron a potentially G.O.A.T, and when did I say he was shit? When was I ever on Lebrons band wagon you dumb fuck. LOL getting mad because Bron and his team is fucking up. :lol:Get off his dick. That shit don't look right, getting all emotional on a porn board.:roflmao:


Scroll down to post 21 you fair weather bitch.:lol:
Cleveland!!! Cleveland!!! Cleveland!!!
http://198.65.131.81/board/showthread.php?t=176321
 
Sir Good Drank said:
When is the world going to stop comparing him to the wrong MJ.



Because he's not the next Michael Jordan but more so the next Magic Johnson. His game is much more similar to Magic's than Jordan. His Size is also more Magic johnson and less Jordan. He brings the ball up the floor, he passes, he plays on the low block..... etc. All the critics and analyst have had it wrong since day one. When his career starts to take off and he begins to average triple doubles night in and night out then you'll know what I'm talking about.

THANK you. I've BEEN saying that.
 
Man I try to stay out of BGOL debates for the past couple of months. Most of you fools have no idea what you are talking about and you watch ESPN so that automatically makes you a sports expert.

1. The Lebron hate is outrageous
2. The Spurs would get swept by the 90's Bulls---FJP youre smoking some good shit.

And for the main topic of this thread. LeBron is a phenomenal bball player. Especially at 22. Give him his props and shut the fuck up!

Read carefully

The difference between LJ and MJ

"The league is totally different"

MJ got to play in the offensive minded isolation league

LJ plays in the zone defense boring league

If LJ played in the 90's with the variety of isolation plays (showcase your superstar league), the kid numbers would be unheard of.

Jordan got to take you one on one, and the double had to come much later as the teams had to clear out.

With the bullshit zones of today, the double team man is always there immediately.
Todays game if full of illegal defenses.....

Stern has ruined the game

period.........

this league will always have boring teams like spurs on top. The old league was guard dominated. The flash always sold tickets. Todays league is big man focused. Which results in boring slow play.

Give the king his due.
 
FJP said:
You have your opinion. I have mine. I think this Spurs team could beat any team the Bulls beat. They have the greatest PF of all time In my opinion, who may I add shows up in the Finals, (Bout to be on his 4th Finals MVP). Thats nearing Jordan range. Most importantly their best player doesnt have to score the most points for them to win.

The only team I dont think these spurs would have beat was the LA team...But then again I do because that LA team was at the end of their run of competitiveness when they met the Bulls.

I think they'd beat those Suns because the Suns for the most part still play the same way now. The Spurs play D and Barkley OR Joe Klein or AC Green or whoever you put on Duncan would have been a mismatch.

The Blazers I cant lie were good but Tony Parker I think would take advantage of Terry Porter on the speed tip and Bruce Bowen would give Drexler alot of Comp and again....Buck Williams or Kevin Duckworth wouldnt be able to handle Duncan,plus the deepness of the Spurs bench. I'd say atleast 4 players on their bench can start on about half the teams in the league right now.

The Spurs have never faced a team as good as the Bulls defensively and Jordan doesn't lose in the Finals. You know that.

Duncan won't win the MVP this year. Tony Parker is going to win the MVP. I called that before the series started. He blazed the Cavs during the season as well despite the losses.

I agree on Tim Duncan... a great power forward... only one I've seen better was McHale.
 
Gemini said:
WTF you are you talking about? :hmm: When did I call Lebron a potentially G.O.A.T, and when did I say he was shit? When was I ever on Lebrons band wagon you dumb fuck. LOL getting mad because Bron and his team is fucking up. :lol:Get off his dick. That shit don't look right, getting all emotional on a porn board.:roflmao:


Scroll down to post 21 you fair weather bitch.:lol:
Cleveland!!! Cleveland!!! Cleveland!!!
http://198.65.131.81/board/showthread.php?t=176321

man..fuck all that you talking and post the full vid from your avatar :lol: :lol:
 
supreme_math said:
what the Fuck? Jordan had to play against Charles Barkley, Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, Hakeem Olajuan, Reggie Miller, Dennis Rodman, Bill Lambeer, Dominic Wilkins, Larry Bird, Patrick Ewing and the Knicks etc...thats why. Another ignant statement down the drain!


THANK YOU!!!!!

When Jordan was coming up in the league he was facing off against the Pistons, and Celtics. A young bulls team was bound to get their asses handed to them early, facing off against teams at the HEIGHT of their dominance.

The REAL difference between Jordan then and Lebron now in the playoffs, is that Lebron didn't face the same type of challenge until all the way in the finals, where Jordan faced that challenge in round 1.

The same way Jordan didn't really see success until Pippen was the fact that he NEEDED that help to get over, and if Lebron played in the WEST, he'd be going through the same thing. Instead he needs help to get over the Spurs.

The Cavs faced a depleted Wizards team, and although they got swept, they still kept it close enough to make you wonder. Then the Nets, who the Cavs kept letting back into the series when they should have finished them off, and then the Pistons, a team which finally broke down, after 5 seasons of playoff excellence.

FJP said:
You have your opinion. I have mine. I think this Spurs team could beat any team the Bulls beat. They have the greatest PF of all time In my opinion, who may I add shows up in the Finals, (Bout to be on his 4th Finals MVP). Thats nearing Jordan range. Most importantly their best player doesnt have to score the most points for them to win.

The only team I dont think these spurs would have beat was the LA team...But then again I do because that LA team was at the end of their run of competitiveness when they met the Bulls.

I think they'd beat those Suns because the Suns for the most part still play the same way now. The Spurs play D and Barkley OR Joe Klein or AC Green or whoever you put on Duncan would have been a mismatch.

The Blazers I cant lie were good but Tony Parker I think would take advantage of Terry Porter on the speed tip and Bruce Bowen would give Drexler alot of Comp and again....Buck Williams or Kevin Duckworth wouldnt be able to handle Duncan,plus the deepness of the Spurs bench. I'd say atleast 4 players on their bench can start on about half the teams in the league right now.

As for these Spurs vs. The Old Bulls.

I'll say this, I think the matchup would be something else, but ultimately I would give the nod to the Bulls.

Consider this, the Bulls have something the Cavs don't. More than one offensive weapon, shooters who perform in the cluch, and a smothering defense.

MJ would guard Tony Parker -- No one on the cavs are quick enough to stay with Parker, you think he would put up 24 pts on 53% on Jordan?

Pippen would guard Ginobili or Finley. Pippen is one of the best defenders ever. Nuff said.

Dennis Rodman would give Tim Duncan hell, and with Pippen and Jordan keeping Parker and Ginobili troubled, all Rodman would have to do is disrupt his game enough.

Bruce Bowen cannot handle physical players who are not fazed by his antics. Jordan would abuse Bowen, posting him up and getting him into foul trouble.

The Bulls beat the Jazz twice, and although I consider Duncan ahead of Malone on the all time PF list, Malone is certainly number 2, or at least interchangeable. Then you have Stockton who is waaaay ahead of Parker.

I still gotta give it to the bulls because they are like the spurs, in the sense that they can play defense and still have a phenominal offense too.

Ultimately I give Bron props for the Detroit series. It's cool he made the finals but I cannot act like what he's done is so magical, considering out of all the teams in the first round, the Cavs had the easiest matchup.

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Oh and the reason Kobe is always brought up is simple.
Face it, love him or hate him he's the only player in the NBA near the level of Jordan.

Now, don't flip out yet, I'm not talking about him being better, or rings.

But of all the players in the NBA who has the talent, the game, AND the following and interest to captivate people on the grand stage?

Replace the Cavs with the Lakers (who have a team just as bad, if not worse) and ratings SKYROCKET.

He is the Jordan of this generation, when you consider all the people who love him, all the people who hate him, and the attention he recieves.

If the NBA wants to see finals with high ratings, Kobe HAS to be there.

Now to dude who said Bron is more like Magic.

Imagine if Bron and Kobe were playing on the same team. It's be the closest thing to Jordan and Pippen ever on some Kareem/Magic shit, and it would work perfect because Kobe can be the man for 4-6 more seasons, and when Bron is 28 and Kobe 34 or so, they swap.

Shit would be ill for the nba and it's fans, but it won't happen.
 
Nobody said:
THANK YOU!!!!!

When Jordan was coming up in the league he was facing off against the Pistons, and Celtics. A young bulls team was bound to get their asses handed to them early, facing off against teams at the HEIGHT of their dominance.

The REAL difference between Jordan then and Lebron now in the playoffs, is that Lebron didn't face the same type of challenge until all the way in the finals, where Jordan faced that challenge in round 1.

The same way Jordan didn't really see success until Pippen was the fact that he NEEDED that help to get over, and if Lebron played in the WEST, he'd be going through the same thing. Instead he needs help to get over the Spurs.

The Cavs faced a depleted Wizards team, and although they got swept, they still kept it close enough to make you wonder. Then the Nets, who the Cavs kept letting back into the series when they should have finished them off, and then the Pistons, a team which finally broke down, after 5 seasons of playoff excellence.



As for these Spurs vs. The Old Bulls.

I'll say this, I think the matchup would be something else, but ultimately I would give the nod to the Bulls.

Consider this, the Bulls have something the Cavs don't. More than one offensive weapon, shooters who perform in the cluch, and a smothering defense.

MJ would guard Tony Parker -- No one on the cavs are quick enough to stay with Parker, you think he would put up 24 pts on 53% on Jordan?

Pippen would guard Ginobili or Finley. Pippen is one of the best defenders ever. Nuff said.

Dennis Rodman would give Tim Duncan hell, and with Pippen and Jordan keeping Parker and Ginobili troubled, all Rodman would have to do is disrupt his game enough.

Bruce Bowen cannot handle physical players who are not fazed by his antics. Jordan would abuse Bowen, posting him up and getting him into foul trouble.

The Bulls beat the Jazz twice, and although I consider Duncan ahead of Malone on the all time PF list, Malone is certainly number 2, or at least interchangeable. Then you have Stockton who is waaaay ahead of Parker.

I still gotta give it to the bulls because they are like the spurs, in the sense that they can play defense and still have a phenominal offense too.

Ultimately I give Bron props for the Detroit series. It's cool he made the finals but I cannot act like what he's done is so magical, considering out of all the teams in the first round, the Cavs had the easiest matchup.

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Oh and the reason Kobe is always brought up is simple.
Face it, love him or hate him he's the only player in the NBA near the level of Jordan.

Now, don't flip out yet, I'm not talking about him being better, or rings.

But of all the players in the NBA who has the talent, the game, AND the following and interest to captivate people on the grand stage?

Replace the Cavs with the Lakers (who have a team just as bad, if not worse) and ratings SKYROCKET.

He is the Jordan of this generation, when you consider all the people who love him, all the people who hate him, and the attention he recieves.

If the NBA wants to see finals with high ratings, Kobe HAS to be there.

Now to dude who said Bron is more like Magic.

Imagine if Bron and Kobe were playing on the same team. It's be the closest thing to Jordan and Pippen ever on some Kareem/Magic shit, and it would work perfect because Kobe can be the man for 4-6 more seasons, and when Bron is 28 and Kobe 34 or so, they swap.

Shit would be ill for the nba and it's fans, but it won't happen.

Damn bro you said everything perfectly...great minds htink alike...one question for you bro...are you a genius? :yes:
 
FJP said:
The only team I dont think these spurs would have beat was the LA team...But then again I do because that LA team was at the end of their run of competitiveness when they met the Bulls.

WTF! :confused:

The LA team was the weakest team the Bulls faced in the Finals. Just like Cleveland shouldn't really be in the Finals (testament to Lebron), LA shouldn't have been in the Finals that year. It should have been Portland. They made it the next year. I HATE to sometimes bring your age into the debate, but you were roughly 10 years old during that time. There is no way that you can speak on that with any credibility.

San Antonio could have possibly beat that LA team but that's it. They wouldn't have beat Phoenix (have you ever heard of Richard Dumas? He gave Pippen fits at times during that series.), Portland, Seattle or Utah.

Let me jog your memory.

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Jordan
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Rodman
Kukoc

San Antonio wouldn't have any answers for those players up top. If you really followed the Bulls you would know that they really didn't match up well with Portland or Seattle. Those western conference teams used to give them fits, until the Finals! No team at that time was better at making adjustments game to game. From the coaching staff to the players on the court, they knew what it took to win. During those championship years they went seven games only twice (NY & Indy) & always made quick work of earlier opponents.

The '98 Utah team alone with Malone, Stockton, Hornacek, Carr & the younger kats, Russell, Anderson & Eisley would probably beat this Spurs team in 5 or 6 games.
 
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Again I gotta just laugh when I read some of these posts but here are some good ass points that were brought up.

This NBA has zone defense...zone....let me say it again...zone defense. What that means is that players today don't have to individually be as good on D cuz the coach will bail you out by playing zone.

Thats why cats are on Bruce Bowen's game so hard, he's a throwback to when you had to be able to go toe to toe on D with a cat for 36-42 minutes per game easy with little help or a late ass double team. Plain and simple if you couldn't D up you WERE gonna be exposed..period. Plus these days you'll rarely late in a game see teams sub out for offense vs. defense, something that was common in that era down the stretch of close games.

Another point is that young cats sleep on the rosters of the old NBA squads. Yes you usually had a great name on the roster but for the better teams their rosters was better top to bottom. Michael Cooper (the defensive Tim Bowen of his era --named to eight NBA All Defensive Teams, including five First Teams. He won the NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award in 1987.) wasn't even good enough to crack that Laker's starting line-up despite being one of the best defenders in the league.

Plus this league is a non-contact league. In the rare case back then that a player was good enough to shit on ya whole squad, you simply busted his ass (unless he was a jump shooter..and even they didn't get off scot free). It would be interesting to put a player like Lebron because of his physical style in the late 80's early 90's NBA and see how he would have fared against say the Knicks or Bad Boy's Pistons squads.

Another thing, you can't compare Lebron to Magic either. Nope, no good.. not gonna happen. Lest ya forget Magic was a 6'9" point guard that could play all five (5) positions on the floor. Magic had better handles, was a better distributor in the half-court and on the break. Magic had a better post game, better mid range game, and could shoot from outside (all as a rookie).

Lastly, comparing today's Spurs to the late 80's early 90's power teams. The Spurs would still be good but not nearly as dominant. Most teams (the Bulls being one of the few exceptions) had a solid center and PF holding down the low block. The Spurs only have Duncan, the other dudes are space fillers. Up top with Ginobili, Parker and Finley they would be ok. Ginobili and Parker have proven they don't mind contact, Finley would be more of an off the ball slasher (think Shawn Marion).

Getting back to Lebron, he still has to work on just being the second best (physically) in his era. Comparing them as Guards Kobe is a much better ball handler and can score in more ways than Lebron (taking the age excuse out and just look at current skill vs. current skill). Right now if you take the drive away from Lebron his game becomes shaky. Kobe can kill you consistently from 21-25 ft. and if you overplay his jumper he has the skill to take it to the rack (though he's doing less of that the last coupla seasons) plus his mid-range j is like a lay-up.

The closest player you can compare Lebron to realistically is Scottie Pippen. Lebron (despite what the list him as) is really just a very good small forward. You can compare him to Pip in the fact that the Bulls often used Pip as a point forward, and he was gonna do the bulk of the scoring when Mike was on the bench. Pips game was more finesse though were Lebron is more like a bull in a china shop.

Iight kids thats it, class dismissed.

P.S. I intentionally made it long so only real fans and reader would follow :yes:
 
After the Detroit series... there must have been close to 15 people on this board proclaiming that he is the best player league after that ONE tremendous game against the Pistons. After that game he continued to be the player he has been all of this season.... disappointing. Coming into this season Lebron was hailed as the leading candidate for MVP (and rightfully so). He did not live up to those expectations and fell quickly out of that race all together. This was suppose to be the season Lebron was going to dominate the league even more then the 2005-2006 season. This season his numbers are down in every major category from last season:

Season Ag G FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS

2005-06 21 79 11.1 23.1 1.6 4.8 7.6 10.3 0.9 6.1 7.0 6.6 1.6 0.8 3.3 2.3 31.4
2006-07 22 78 9.9 20.8 1.3 4.0 6.3 9.0 1.1 5.7 6.7 6.0 1.6 0.7 3.2 2.2 27.3

Now not only was his regular season a bit of a disappointment but his playoff performance has lagged from last season as well. The fact that Lebron has his team in the finals has masked this truth. His one great game against the Pistons some how made everyone forget that Lebron.... had yet to really put any stamp on this season unlike 05-06. Had Chicago beat New Jersey in the last game of the regular season.... this season for the Cav's might have turned out a lot different. Truth be told... they had a cake walk to the ECF.... and still had trouble putting away the Wizards and the Nets. Lebron haD one bad game, one below average game, two average games (for Lebron), a great game, and another below average game in a series against the Pistons. After that he was proclaimed a King who was finally coronated when in reality he hadn't done anything great besides his one 48 point game.
 
I keep hearing everbody saying that Lebron is the next Jordan and that Kobe might be the next Jordan. or that Lebron is never going to be as good as kobe and Jordan. or kobe is never going to be as good as jordan. but keep this in mind, the game of basketball keeps evolving. In the 70's u had players such as Dr. J who was supposed to be the greatest and people were saying that he was going to be the greatest. Then when Magic came on the scene people were saying he was going to be the greatest. then Jordan came and people are saying that he's going to be the greatest. when u look at the history of basketball there is always somebody who comes along and surpasses the so-called greatest. Like it or not somebody in this generation is going to be better than Jordan. whether is Lebron or Kobe or whoever. someone is going to surpass Jordan.
 
Backshot Bully said:
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SAYS WHO ?
YOU KNOW HOW MANY GREAT NBA PLAYERS LEFT THE LEAUGUE WITH NO RING ?


THE ONLY PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE TODAY THAT"S EVEN COMPARABLE TO MJ IS KOBE

LEBROOM DOES"NT HAVE THE SAME HEART AND PASSION FOR THE GAME AS MJ OR EVEN KOBE




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Here we go again!!!
 
Blaq said:
WTF! :confused:

The LA team was the weakest team the Bulls faced in the Finals. Just like Cleveland shouldn't really be in the Finals (testament to Lebron), LA shouldn't have been in the Finals that year. It should have been Portland. They made it the next year. I HATE to sometimes bring your age into the debate, but you were roughly 10 years old during that time. There is no way that you can speak on that with any credibility.

San Antonio could have possibly beat that LA team but that's it. They wouldn't have beat Phoenix (have you ever heard of Richard Dumas? He gave Pippen fits at times during that series.), Portland, Seattle or Utah.

Let me jog your memory.

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Rodman
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San Antonio wouldn't have any answers for those players up top. If you really followed the Bulls you would know that they really didn't match up well with Portland or Seattle. Those western conference teams used to give them fits, until the Finals! No team at that time was better at making adjustments game to game. From the coaching staff to the players on the court, they knew what it took to win. During those championship years they went seven games only twice (NY & Indy) & always made quick work of earlier opponents.

The '98 Utah team alone with Malone, Stockton, Hornacek, Carr & the younger kats, Russell, Anderson & Eisley would probably beat this Spurs team in 5 or 6 games.

Word. I thought it was also Ironic of all the teams he chose..he chose that Laker team that got absolutely manhandled and embarrassed by the Bulls in the Finals. That shit was worst than this Spurs vs Cavs series...
 
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