Lakers have to win this finals for kobes legacy

[brickwall92]

The lakers have to win the finals for the sole purpose of kobe going for the throne .I gave kobe a pass for that loss in the finals,but another loss and it's not a good look for goat status we all know no jordan team has loss in the finals.When it's all said and done I'm rooting for kobe to be the best who ever played the game.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

go back to lurking.

 

[Darkness]

are you serious. we all know there's "His Airness" and then there's everyone else. i'm actually pulling for KG i want him to get a ring before he hangs it up. but i do agree that i'd like to see Kobe lead his team to a ring eventually he has a squad now. just not this year. Beat LA lol. and ummmm refresh my memory but when has the Bulls (Jordan Era) ever lost in a finals???

 

[deputy dawg]

Kobe can't win a championship without Shaq!

That was prophesied and now it's his destiny!

Kobe's curse for the "Colorado" incident!

 

[SpiritualPorn]

Kobe can't win a championship without Shaq!

That was prophesied and now it's his destiny!

Kobe's curse for the "Colorado" incident!

He can win without Shaq

However lets not lose sight of the real reasons here:

One source with knowledge of the process said the Bulls had made the most credible offer. For Gasol and Memphis’ Hakim Warrick, the Bulls were willing to part with Andres Nocioni, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Thabo Sefolosha, possibly Adrian Griffin and draft picks
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aj9d4o0q.w7BH2klmwigQ6M5nYcB?slug=aw-heisleygasol060308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Around the league, nothing will change this belief: Whatever the reasoning, this was one of the NBA’s worst trades in years. Most of all, rival executives wonder why they never had a chance to submit a best offer. For Gasol, the 7-footer who transformed the Lakers in the absence of Andrew Bynum, the Grizzlies were willing to take back the expiring contract of Kwame Brown, rookie point guard Javaris Crittenton, two future No. 1 picks and the draft rights to Gasol’s brother, Marc


The one-sided nature of the trade inspired a lot of people to believe that retired Memphis GM, Jerry West, a Lakers’ legend, played a part in facilitating the deal. West was instrumental recruiting Wallace as his replacement in Memphis and still holds a close relationship with Heisley. His history in Los Angeles, especially his bond with Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak and star Kobe Bryant, made even the fair-minded cynical about the scenario.


The Jordan/Kobe comparisons are a joke. Before Gasol the Lakers either were out in the first round or didn't make the playoffs.
Kobe gets the credit yet anyone that knows what is really happening won't buy into that crap.

Like Cran always says, never before or after Jordan has a team won without a dominant big man. Kobe gets a big man and they are in the Finals.

 

[DubyahOhOhDee]

^^^^^

Who says Gasol is a dominant center? He's good, but not dominant. He can pass and shoot, but why are people acting like he's Shaq, Ewing, Hakeem, Kareem and etc...how many games this season has he just simply taken over and shut down an opposing center? When center conversations come up...people don't rave on about Pau Gasol like they do about Yao Ming...hell or Okur for that matter.

 

[TimRock]

I thought Pao was a PF. Wont he be playing that position when Bynum comes back? Moving LO to SF.

 

[360KNOWLEDGE]

^^^^^

Who says Gasol is a dominant center? He's good, but not dominant. He can pass and shoot, but why are people acting like he's Shaq, Ewing, Hakeem, Kareem and etc...how many games this season has he just simply taken over and shut down an opposing center? When center conversations come up...people don't rave on about Pau Gasol like they do about Yao Ming...hell or Okur for that matter.

That's why Gasol is a perfect fit for LA. If you look at the best centers for the triple post offense. They all have similar attributes as good passers, decent shooters. Shaq was the most dominant center in this set, but Gasol is more dangerous due to his versatility.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Euros flourish in the triangle because it it very repetitious. There is no thought. It's when a Euro has to create his own shot that they get in trouble. Pau was built for this offense.

When interviewed on ESPN, Jackson said they would put Gasol on K.G. and Odom on Perkins..I think this will be a one game thing to see what happens. If K.G. settles for the jumper, it will be an easy night for Pau.

As for Kobe's legacy, his name in history is already set. This is more about the Lakers and Phil Jackson's legacy.

 

[deputy dawg]

He can win without Shaq

Has he yet?
Being a Champion is about mental toughness as well as physical ability. Kobe has shown over and over his bitch-assedness. Demanding trades, aloofness with team members. Why did it take him so long to learn to be a true teammate, as he was born to be an NBA player?

It's the mental aspect he's been lacking. Put a picture of that Colorado chicks head on some sticks (like PTI does in "role Play") and wave them around while in Boston. Something like that would result in a sweep!!

We'll see if he's up to the task. Like I said, you can't fight destiny!!

 

[SpiritualPorn]

Has he yet?
Being a Champion is about mental toughness as well as physical ability. Kobe has shown over and over his bitch-assedness. Demanding trades, aloofness with team members. Why did it take him so long to learn to be a true teammate, as he was born to be an NBA player?

It's the mental aspect he's been lacking. Put a picture of that Colorado chicks head on some sticks (like PTI does in "role Play") and wave them around while in Boston. Something like that would result in a sweep!!

We'll see if he's up to the task. Like I said, you can't fight destiny!!

Kobe has proven who he is more than once.

The press spin of "managment listened to Kobe and got him help" is bullshit. Every team tries to improve yearly.The Lakers are no different. Mitch has been much the scapegoat for much of Kobe's failures.

Phil Jackson said they had been working on the Gasol deal for a year. Outside of that they only got Fisher. The rest of the team consists of the same people Kobe wanted gone. How does he get credit?

After trashing everyone on your team, pissing off the owner, then embarassing himself, Kobe comes back with his tail between his legs playing nice. This equates to more mature?

It sells papers and commercials.

 

[cranrab]

Re: fakers have to win this finals

When it's all said and done I'm rooting for kobe to be the best who ever played the game.

good for you. you're a good fan.

one question: can you tell me the measure for ANY player (not just tobe) that you use to arrive at "the best who ever played the game."? genuinely curious.

so many people carelessly throw phrases like that around without being able to quantify their conclusions.

i'm interested in learning what measures you (and any others) use to arrive at a conclusion of who is "the best who ever played the game."

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Kobe has proven who he is more than once.

The press spin of "managment listened to Kobe and got him help" is bullshit. Every team tries to improve yearly.The Lakers are no different. Mitch has been much the scapegoat for much of Kobe's failures.

Phil Jackson said they had been working on the Gasol deal for a year. Outside of that they only got Fisher. The rest of the team consists of the same people Kobe wanted gone. How does he get credit?

After trashing everyone on your team, pissing off the owner, then embarassing himself, Kobe comes back with his tail between his legs playing nice. This equates to more mature?

It sells papers and commercials.

...but his team mates got free watches out of the deal.

 

[cranrab]

Re: takers have to win this finals

refresh my memory but when has the Bulls (Jordan Era) ever lost in a finals?

the OP wrote that NO team michael jordan has played on lost in the finals.

while he's at it, the OP could've added that no chicago bulls team michael jordan played on EVER missed the playoffs.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

...to the OP: The person that will determine Kobe's legacy is Stern and his Gestapo. They can spin-doctor anything and make it look like a 'Feel-good" story.

I especially like how TWO YEARS ago, the media spun Duck Tales on how Euros were competing on a level with the US, and now they are left for dead. Another example is how Kobe was treated with the rape trial vs. how Iverson was treated with the bowling alley incident.

 

[cranrab]

Re: fakers have to win this finals

Like Cran always says, never before or after Jordan has a team won without a dominant big man.

let me clean that up a bit.

what i HAVE written MANY times is that michael jordan blew a basketball axiom OUT THE WATER. fuck a scoring title, meaningless all-star nominations, or campaigned and bought-with-swag media MVPs. michael jordan disproved (not once, but SIX times) that a championship can be won without a dominant big man.

what i have also written (that is even LESS understood) is that ANOTHER testament to michael jordan's TALENT (not historic milestones, but ACTUAL talent) is that the reason the chicago bulls DID NOT NEED a dominant big man was BECAUSE MICHAEL JORDAN SUPPLANTED THAT POSITION AS A 2G!

people just don't know (or comprehend) that they were watching a 2G DOMINATE the post. 20 years after-the-fact it's not understood or recognized.

 

[cranrab]

Re: fakers have to win this finals

also wanted to comment on the OPs thread title (not the OP).

it speaks to the sports media's:

(a) abuse of,
(b) failure to properly use, and
(c) dissemination of their ignorant misuse of

the english language in communicating with the mainstream.

tobe's legacy?

come the fuck on. i think i may understand what the person(s) intended when they write/say "_______'s legacy", but as applied to tobe, is there really ANYTHING of substance in tobe's game that can be passed on to future generations?

truthfully?

if tobe does have a "legacy" to pass on, wouldn't it be that he was a disruptive role player on a championship squad that featured a HOF head coach and HOF center?

if tobe does have a "legacy" to pass on, wasn't it written in 2005-2008? when tobe lead the fakers to the pacific division cellar and OUT of the playoffs? when tobe lead the fakers to consecutive 1st round playoffs exits? when tobe lead the fakers to a highly similar 28-18 record in 2007 and 30-16 record (pre-pau gasol) in 2008?

it's obvious that tobe stans have short memories, because they can't sweep the past 3.5 seasons under the rug quick enough.

 

[cranrab]

Re: fakers have to win this finals

the media spun dDuck Tales on how Euros were competing on a level with the US, and now they are left for dead.

you mean they're not?

well at least americans have caught up to europeans in soccer.

 

[xfactor]

As for Kobe's legacy, his name in history is already set.

I agree with this. Only because of the media and Wobe fans.

They are already comparing the guy to Jordan, even saying he is better in some cases, and the reality is he ain't even close to being the best SG of his generation.

 

[JIMMY SWAGGER]

Even though, I am a die hard Celtics fan, I have my favorite players but I am not stupid. Jordan is the GOAT hands down. I do not care if Kobe wins the next three rings. Everyone who has played the game since 1984, I do mean eveyone, has been influenced in some way, shape, or form by MJ. MJ basically created what basketball is now fromthe long shorts to 3/4 low top shoes even though old school cats know low tops were poluarized by the 1950, 1960 Celtics. Shit even Larry Bird wore extra long shorts in his last years to hide his back brace. lol. Anyway, I am a true fan of Karma. What Kobe did in Colorado for calling Shaq out to the fuzz will never be forgotten. That is the reason a lot of Lakers fans want to win this series but they dont fuck with Kobe. Karma is a bitch. He will not win.

 

[cranrab]

Re: fakers have to win this finals

Outside of that they only got Fisher.

and as much as i like derek fisher, somebody PLEASE post the side-by-side of 2008 derek fisher with 2007 william parker.

you ever want PROOF that tobe stans are a band of know-nothing, scapegoating sheep, take a look at that comparison.

 

[brickwall92]

Kobe can't win a championship without Shaq!

That was prophesied and now it's his destiny!

Kobe's curse for the "Colorado" incident!

phase 1 of kobes legacy shutting this bullshit of him not being able to win without shaq

 

[brickwall92]

Re: fakers have to win this finals

good for you. you're a good fan.

one question: can you tell me the measure for ANY player (not just tobe) that you use to arrive at "the best who ever played the game."? genuinely curious.

so many people carelessly throw phrases like that around without being able to quantify their conclusions.

i'm interested in learning what measures you (and any others) use to arrive at a conclusion of who is "the best who ever played the game."

Jordan is the king of the sg position period. kobe is gunning for the throne fuck commercials and likeability many of y'all don't like kobe as a person so what judge talent many of you are mad that not only has he not fallen off he is on a personal quest to legitimately go for mj throne

 

[brickwall92]

Re: fakers have to win this finals

also wanted to comment on the OPs thread title (not the OP).

it speaks to the sports media's:

(a) abuse of,
(b) failure to properly use, and
(c) dissemination of their ignorant misuse of

the english language in communicating with the mainstream.

tobe's legacy?

come the fuck on. i think i may understand what the person(s) intended when they write/say "_______'s legacy", but as applied to tobe, is there really ANYTHING of substance in tobe's game that can be passed on to future generations?

truthfully?

if tobe does have a "legacy" to pass on, wouldn't it be that he was a disruptive role player on a championship squad that featured a HOF head coach and HOF center?

if tobe does have a "legacy" to pass on, wasn't it written in 2005-2008? when tobe lead the fakers to the pacific division cellar and OUT of the playoffs? when tobe lead the fakers to consecutive 1st round playoffs exits? when tobe lead the fakers to a highly similar 28-18 record in 2007 and 30-16 record (pre-pau gasol) in 2008?

it's obvious that tobe stans have short memories, because they can't sweep the past 3.5 seasons under the rug quick enough.

you are a hater I seen your post when it regards kobe change of name and legegimate role player to shaq lmao kobe was a star alongside shaq a role player would be derek fisher or rick fox come on nigga was a flat out star

 

[brickwall92]

also kobe will prove he can win without shaq,but could shaq ever prove he could win without a dominant sg ? nope

 

[RunawaySlave]

If this is about anybody's "legacy" it would be about Phil Jackson's. Not Kobe Bryant's.

Make all the excuses you want, but the fact is that Jackson has turned this team into a title contender......again

and it certainly was anything BUT that as little as two years ago.

 

[brickwall92]

If this is about anybody's "legacy" it would be about Phil Jackson's. Not Kobe Bryant's.

Make all the excuses you want, but the fact is that Jackson has turned this team into a title contender......again

and it certainly was anything BUT that as little as two years ago.

it's gonna kill two birds with one stone

phil passes red

and kobe wins without shaq

 

[SpiritualPorn]

Re: fakers have to win this finals

Jordan is the king of the sg position period. kobe is gunning for the throne fuck commercials and likeability many of y'all don't like kobe as a person so what judge talent many of you are mad that not only has he not fallen off he is on a personal quest to legitimately go for mj throne

okay

do we have a 72-10 season in the picture yet?

Lets go 69-13 just for arguments sake...

How many scoring titles?

I don't see one fact in your writing. You just choose to assume everybody "hates" on Kobe.

 

[SpiritualPorn]

Re: fakers have to win this finals

and as much as i like derek fisher, somebody PLEASE post the side-by-side of 2008 derek fisher with 2007 william parker.

you ever want PROOF that tobe stans are a band of know-nothing, scapegoating sheep, take a look at that comparison.

I almost went there as well.

Fisher's numbers couldn't be much better than Smush's

 

[brickwall92]

Re: fakers have to win this finals

okay

do we have a 72-10 season in the picture yet?

Lets go 69-13 just for arguments sake...

How many scoring titles?

I don't see one fact in your writing. You just choose to assume everybody "hates" on Kobe.

67-15 five games off both had greats beside them

2 scoring titles he had to work with a legit all star, who was a big scoring. he will win more .if that's whats needed from the team,the most important thing though is winning

while pippen was a legit allstar scoring was what he was about compared with shaq



I don't assume everyone hates kobe . I just rarely see fans of jordan who like kobe.anyway .I said hate refering to your boy cran b why? because homie tried to portray kobe as a role player when anyone with common sense would tell you he was a star alongside shaq

 

[cranrab]

Re: fakers have to win this finals

kobe is gunning for the throne fuck commercials and likeability many of y'all don't like kobe as a person so what judge talent many of you are mad that not only has he not fallen off he is on a personal quest to legitimately go for mj throne

i'm glad i can't be included in the "many" you refer to.

i haven't mentioned commercials or "likeability" quotient.

i haven't mentioned anything referring to tobe "as a person".

i HAVE judged talent.

you are correct in saying that tobe hasn't "fallen off". it would be IMPOSSIBLE for tobe to have "fallen off", because aside from some individual scoring milestones, he hasn't accomplished anything noteworthy.

 

[cranrab]

Re: fakers have to win this finals

kobe was a star alongside shaq[/SIZE] a role player would be derek fisher or rick fox come on nigga was a flat out star

go to lakersfiction.blogspot.com

there is a blog entry which addresses and flatly refutes this claim.

 

[cranrab]

Re: fakers have to win this finals

also kobe will prove he can win without shaq,but could shaq ever prove he could win without a dominant sg ? nope

retool your question. it's not balanced.

in the meantime, while you're trying to struggle with that, ponder this question: can tobe prove he can win without coach jackson?

since you mentioned shaquille o'neal, keep in mind that he has taken 3 different franchises to the NBA finals (a rare feat), and won championships under 2 different head coaches.

also consider that none of the SGs shaquille o'neal played with became "dominant" until he played with them. coincidence?

 

[brickwall92]

Re: fakers have to win this finals

retool your question. it's not balanced.

in the meantime, while you're trying to struggle with that, ponder this question: can tobe prove he can win without coach jackson?

since you mentioned shaquille o'neal, keep in mind that he has taken 3 different franchises to the NBA finals (a rare feat), and won championships under 2 different head coaches.

also consider that none of the SGs shaquille o'neal played with became "dominant" until he played with them. coincidence?

I didn't sleep on shaq, just saying if that argument should be used for kobe why not shaq with out the great guards? Also wade carried shaq that year for the title, not saying they would have won without shaq and this is coming from a kobe fan



damn y'all just create obstacle for kobe

did jordan ever win without phil jackson as coach ? no

why should kobe have to ?

 

[brickwall92]

Re: fakers have to win this finals

go to lakersfiction.blogspot.com

there is a blog entry which addresses and flatly refutes this claim.

I'm check your blog

how could you sleep on these numbers ?

during 3 peat playoffs numbers below come on ,you can't say these aren't superstar numbers, plus his regular season was the truth also

points reb asst
29.4 7.3 6.1 2000
26.6 5.8 4.6 2001
32.1 5.1 5.2 2002