Kyrie Irving requesting trade out of Cleveland to find bigger role

[Spectrum]

They may be...

I actually don't think he's trash Bruh, I NEVER said that. I said I think he's overrated and one dimensional. A LOT of players are. I also said I thought he was extremely talented. Every post I Made about him in this thread has been in context of this trade. No more no less good brother.

Yeah. I know you didn't mean literally trash... but you think he's hella over-rated. Kyrie is better, younger, and taller.... but they're both undersized two guards masquerading as ones and volume shoot and play so little defense..so I don't think it changes the Cavs that much because they're the same type of player... but we both disagree so no need to keep rehashing the same thing.... if this was Kyrie for IT straight up, I would have been more critical of the trade, but it's a fine trade for both.

I'm interested to see what Kyrie does now that he'll have his own team. Having Lebron out there takes a lot of pressure off players

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Yeah. I know you didn't mean literally trash... but you think he's hella over-rated. Kyrie is better, younger, and taller.... but they're both undersized two guards masquerading as ones and volume shoot and play so little defense..so I don't think it changes the Cavs that much because they're the same type of player... but we both disagree so no need to keep rehashing the same thing.... if this was Kyrie for IT straight up, I would have been more critical of the trade, but it's a fine trade for both.

I'm interested to see what Kyrie does now that he'll have his own team. Having Lebron out there takes a lot of pressure off players

That's why I said earlier, as of now this trade to me is heavy in Boston's favor. Now if the Cavs turn that pick in to Porter or Bagley, and they meet their hype, it's all Cavs!

This trade will not be able to be really measured until we see how next off season goes. One thing for sure, this deal doesn't put either team any closer to beating GS, or even SA in my opinion....

 

[BAG]

They may be...

I actually don't think he's trash Bruh, I NEVER said that. I said I think he's overrated and one dimensional. A LOT of players are. I also said I thought he was extremely talented. Every post I Made about him in this thread has been in context of this trade. No more no less good brother.

I recall you calling Kyrie Irving one dimensional and nothing but a glorified street baller like some niggas named bones and hot sauce

whats it going to be fam?

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

I recall you calling Kyrie Irving one dimensional and nothing but a glorified street baller like some niggas named bones and hot sauce

whats it going to be fam?

Your struggling with what exactly? What are you asking me? What do you mean what is it going to be? Seriously, I'm really trying to understand your question.

 

[BAG]

Your struggling with what exactly? What are you asking me? What do you mean what is it going to be? Seriously, I'm really trying to understand your question.

So if IT is Overrated and one dimensional and Kyrie Irving is an overrated street baller how did Cleveland lose the trade according to you neither one is not that good? so it's a wash out right......nobody got better with the trade?

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

So if IT is Overrated and one dimensional and Kyrie Irving is an overrated street baller how did Cleveland lose the trade according to you neither one is not that good? so it's a wash out right......nobody got better with the trade?

So you are seriously asking this question Bruh? I promis you I'm not trying to diss you, but based on my views of Kyrie that leads you to ask me this question, AND, to resolve that In your opinion based on my views of Kyrie, I should consider this trade a wash?

Why should I view this trade as a wash because of my views on Kyrie?

 

[BAG]

So you are seriously asking this question Bruh? I promis you I'm not trying to diss you, but based on my views of Kyrie that leads you to ask me this question, AND, to resolve that In your opinion based on my views of Kyrie, I should consider this trade a wash?

Why should I view this trade as a wash because of my views on Kyrie?

My nigga I'm just saying according to you IT is too short one Dimensional had a fluke season, then months ago you said Irving was nothing but ooohs and ahhs and a one trick pony. So I'm trying to figure out why you think swapping these two is a loss for Cleveland this upcoming season?

Kyrie had Cleveland all by himself for a few years he was the alpha dog and all he did was put up big numbers get caught pissy drunk in downtown Cleveland with a table full of nasty suburban white bitches then show up to practice hung over. Kyrie Irving was not shit until Lebron showed him how it was done that's when he became the player he is now Lebron brought out his full potential as a player.

Let's look at IT nobody cared about Boston until IT showed up and start putting up numbers, he is the main reason Boston is where they are now! IT actually showed his ability to at least make a team reputable, and he got them the No.1 seed last year and guess where he finished in the MVP voting last season? 5th So you match up IT with Lebron two dudes who can really carry a team to a playoff spot by themselves how could that not be good? if Lebron can unlock Irving's potential imagine whats he going to do for IT Lebron made horrible players look like all-stars look what he does to people with actual talent.

just saying Cleveland won I think you know this....

 

[Day_Carver]

I'm not a Cavs fan. Boston just helped the Cavs. You're just too blinded right now to see it. They got a replacement player for Kyrie, a two way player to help them defender perimeter shooters, a fucking top 5 pick (most likely), and 30M in cap savings man ... Boston overpaid.

with that being said, all it likely helps them do it get back to the finals and lose... but maybe 4-2 instead of 4-1 unless some injuries happen or Rose goes into a time machine.

I normally put every season on Lebron but this year isn't on Ty Lue...

You had love playing great early in the season, you had Lebron in gray form early....Channing was beasting early....

Injuries fucked with the overall chemistry....

Kyrie wanted out, Lebron was still mad about hem not resigning Delly and didn't need kno or cared to k ow what mo Williams was.....

Seem like for the most part this could be a full squad coming into the season

Thomas,Rose(Deron, Kay or Jose)
JR,Korver,Shump
Lebron,Crowder, Jefferson
Love, Fyre, Green,Derrick
TT, Walter

Them two foreigners go play in the dleague

Cavs still coming out of East but will get swept by GS...

 

[Day_Carver]

The draft pick was always there the cavs wanted Tatum and Danny wasn't having that...

I'm not a Cavs fan. Boston just helped the Cavs. You're just too blinded right now to see it. They got a replacement player for Kyrie, a two way player to help them defender perimeter shooters, a fucking top 5 pick (most likely), and 30M in cap savings man ... Boston overpaid.

with that being said, all it likely helps them do it get back to the finals and lose... but maybe 4-2 instead of 4-1 unless some injuries happen or Rose goes into a time machine.

I think they have to flip Love and that pick NOW if they are going to keep lebron there and compete for a title. However, the NETS have the most difficult schedule this season, if that turns into a top 3 pick (and this is going to be a GREAT draft), it will give them all kinds of leverage.rebuidling if Lebron bounces, flipping it to keep a title run alive.. or just added a nice player to the squad.

This was a great trade for Cleveland though

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/8/23/16187088/kyrie-irving-trade-cavaliers-celtics-great

I think that pick was always on the table because Ainge thinks its not gonna be high; I actually think Nets will compete for 8th seed this year in the east; if they make the playoffs then that pick is worthless; I actually think they should have tried to get a better pick; I like the Lakers pick better; they definitely not making the playoffs...

2018
Los Angeles Lakers (If pick falls between spots 2-5)
Boston Celtics’ own pick

2019
Philadelphia 76ers or Sacramento Kings (If the Lakers’ 2018 pick falls outside 2-5, Boston will instead have a choice between Philadelphia’s top-1 protected pick or Sacramento’s top-1 protected pick in 2019)
Memphis Grizzlies (If pick falls outside top-8)
Los Angeles Clippers (If pick falls outside top-14)
Boston Celtics’ own pick

2020
Memphis Grizzlies (If pick has not yet been conveyed and falls outside top-6)
Los Angeles Clippers (If pick has not yet been conveyed and falls outside top-14)
Boston Celtics’ own pick

2021
Memphis Grizzlies (If pick has not yet been conveyed. Pick would be unprotected)
Boston Celtics’ own pick

 

[LSN]

@IT IS WHAT IT IS in here getting his skip bayless on

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

My nigga I'm just saying according to you IT is too short one Dimensional had a fluke season, then months ago you said Irving was nothing but ooohs and ahhs and a one trick pony. So I'm trying to figure out why you think swapping these two is a loss for Cleveland this upcoming season?

Kyrie had Cleveland all by himself for a few years he was the alpha dog and all he did was put up big numbers get caught pissy drunk in downtown Cleveland with a table full of nasty suburban white bitches then show up to practice hung over. Kyrie Irving was not shit until Lebron showed him how it was done that's when he became the player he is now Lebron brought out his full potential as a player.

Let's look at IT nobody cared about Boston until IT showed up and start putting up numbers, he is the main reason Boston is where they are now! IT actually showed his ability to at least make a team reputable, and he got them the No.1 seed last year and guess where he finished in the MVP voting last season? 5th So you match up IT with Lebron two dudes who can really carry a team to a playoff spot by themselves how could that not be good? if Lebron can unlock Irving's potential imagine whats he going to do for IT Lebron made horrible players look like all-stars look what he does to people with actual talent.

just saying Cleveland won I think you know this....

So... In your contention, as I said, because I felt Kyrie is one dimensional, and I feel IT is one dimensional, there is no way the Cavs could have lost in this trade head to head because they are both one dimensional!?!?! If you are SERIOUSLY saying that, I really can't muster the energy to dig in to why that is some off balance logic. That all you dude, enjoy it.

You feel IT is the same level player that Kyrie is? That's all you

So, last season was ALL IT right? Again, that's all you

You believe Kyrie is Kyrie all because of LeBron right? So, Kyrie played with Kevin Love, JR Smith, Shumpert, Channing Feye and Richard Jefferson, was not rookie of the year and a major star before LeBron came!?!?! Cool... That's all you playa....

Until we see how that draft pick pans out, Cavs took an L in this trade based on Kyries superiority. Kyrie has been Kyrie for years, proven on the big stage in the playoffs, one of the MAJOR reasons they won the chip, while IT so far is a one hit wonder, who was getting completely TORCHED by Kyrie in the playoffs before he got...... "Injured"

Also, you guys are HILARIOUS with this LeBron made horrible players look like All Stars bullshit.... Who exactly on that team did LeBron MAKE look like an all star who wasn't one before they played with him? Actually Kevin Loves play has deminisoned since coming there. Who, JR? Shumpert? Tristan? D Williams 1-2? Who exactly has LeBron made to play like an all star?

Kyrie >>>>> IT and it's really not debatable in my opinion....

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Cavs still coming out of East but will get swept by GS...

That finals will be embarrassing for ONE reason.... Who will IT guard!?!?! He gets lit up my anybody in the Warriors backcourt, starter or bench. May be a bloodbath

 

[BDR]

That finals will be embarrassing for ONE reason.... Who will IT guard!?!?! He gets lit up my anybody in the Warriors backcourt, starter or bench. May be a bloodbath

They going to post IT up all day with Livingston

 

[Mask]

Thomas numbers ain't bad like I thought before arriving in Boston


Min
Pts
Reb
Ast

2016
BOS
76
33.8
28.9
2.7
5.9

2015
BOS
82
32.2
22.2
3.0
6.2

2014
BOS
21
26.0
19.0
2.1
5.4

2014
PHX
46
25.7
15.2
2.4
3.7

2013
SAC
72
34.7
20.3
2.9
6.3

2012
SAC
79
26.8
13.9
2.0
4.0

2011
SAC
65
25.5

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

They going to post IT up all day with Livingston

Gonna wear his lil ass out! Whoever they put him on is gonna have a field day, and their offense is such they can do that shit and still not fuck up the flow of the offense. Shit, I can't wait until they play the Celtics and Kyrie roasts his lil ass...

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Thomas numbers ain't bad like I thought before arriving in Boston


Min
Pts
Reb
Ast

2016
BOS
76
33.8
28.9
2.7
5.9

2015
BOS
82
32.2
22.2
3.0
6.2

2014
BOS
21
26.0
19.0
2.1
5.4

2014
PHX
46
25.7
15.2
2.4
3.7

2013
SAC
72
34.7
20.3
2.9
6.3

2012
SAC
79
26.8
13.9
2.0
4.0

2011
SAC
65
25.5

He's definitely a nice lil player man... DeMarcus Cousin's ass nigga though. Difference in THIS trade is, Kyrie has performed on the big stage, and IT has been 'injured' following a few games of disappearing and getting roasted, when his team needed him the most. Hopefully he surprises and has an extremely solid year. Always pulling for the little guy...

 

[LSN]

Gonna wear his lil ass out!

faggit!

 

[Mask]

He's definitely a nice lil player man... DeMarcus Cousin's ass nigga though. Difference in THIS trade is, Kyrie has performed on the big stage, and IT has been 'injured' following a few games of disappearing and getting roasted, when his team needed him the most. Hopefully he surprises and has an extremely solid year. Always pulling for the little guy...

Man let's not talk about injuries being a deciding factor with this trade bro...

truth be told that's was Boston's...That Boston squad was a great example of overachieving....them fools cleaned house.

Four players returning and three were mainly bench players...

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Man let's not talk about injuries being a deciding factor with this trade bro...

truth be told that's was Boston's...That Boston squad was a great example of overachieving....them fools cleaned house.

Four players returning and three were mainly bench players...

Who said injuries were a deciding factor good brother? I'm talking about comparative analysis on the big stage, not just the regular season. Kyrie has performed way better, IT was getting torched before getting 'hurt'...

They changed their squad, BUT what they have brought is FAR better to a man from what left. Boston is a much better team ON PAPER this year, primarily due, in my opinion to the Upgrade at PG and Hayward....

 

[AllUniverse17]

Man let's not talk about injuries being a deciding factor with this trade bro...

truth be told that's was Boston's...That Boston squad was a great example of overachieving....them fools cleaned house.

Four players returning and three were mainly bench players...

That is true. Boston will have more adjustments to make.

Like I said, they will miss Bradley and Crowder on defense but also on offense too.

Kyrie and Hayward will have to learn to mesh together. We dont know how Hayward will adjust to a ball dominant PG.

Jaylon Brown and Jayson Tatum are 2nd year and 1st year players. Very talented guys but they are taking on new roles.

Are we sure Washington doesnt beat this team?

 

[Tha Great Muta]

Cavs still coming out of East but will get swept by GS...

I don't know about swept but they can't win in a best of 7 series just yet. Cavs was trying to get Jayson Tatum AND the Nets pick


It will be interesting to see what they do with that pick. Also I do think Wade might go there. If he did their bench would be much better

 

[Mask]

That is true. Boston will have more adjustments to make.

Like I said, they will miss Bradley and Crowder on defense but also on offense too.

Kyrie and Hayward will have to learn to mesh together. We dont know how Hayward will adjust to a ball dominant PG.

Jaylon Brown and Jayson Tatum are 2nd year and 1st year players. Very talented guys but they are taking on new roles.

Are we sure Washington doesnt beat this team?

I stated this last night but it didn't catch any steam.

Shit Toronto might be ahead of them after you think about all of that

 

[Tha Great Muta]

I stated this last night but it didn't catch any steam.

Shit Toronto might be ahead of them after you think about all of that

They mention that on the Bomani Jones podcast I posted. Dude said the T wolves, Bucks and Washington bullets might be able to beat Boston


Boston only has 4 players returning from last year.

 

[AllUniverse17]

I stated this last night but it didn't catch any steam.

Shit Toronto might be ahead of them after you think about all of that

Im just throwing it out there.

Its a brand new team in Boston.

I know it sounds ridiculous but... Even Olynick is gone. Im not talking about how good he was, but he was a rotation guy. Who's gonna replace the dirty work that he and Crowder use to put in?

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Im just throwing it out there.

Its a brand new team in Boston.

I know it sounds ridiculous but... Even Olynick is gone. Im not talking about how good he was, but he was a rotation guy. Who's gonna replace the dirty work that he and Crowder use to put in?

Real shit right here good brother! Didn't think about it but they are gonna miss that Dude in the rotation real rap...

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

I don't know about swept but they can't win in a best of 7 series just yet. Cavs was trying to get Jayson Tatum AND the Nets pick


It will be interesting to see what they do with that pick. Also I do think Wade might go there. If he did their bench would be much better

If they pulled that shit off Ainge might have come up missing!
I clown Wade being old, but real rap, if they can get him, and he's willing to take a lesser role coming off the bench that could be HUGE for them! A definite upgrade from bringing bum ass Deron Williams off the bench, and Dude is ice cold with a LOT of big game playoff experience. Can't measure that impact on just stats, he changes the whole dynamic of the second unit and if you rest him right, he can be in the game at the end as well...

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

That is true. Boston will have more adjustments to make.

Like I said, they will miss Bradley and Crowder on defense but also on offense too.

Kyrie and Hayward will have to learn to mesh together. We dont know how Hayward will adjust to a ball dominant PG.

Jaylon Brown and Jayson Tatum are 2nd year and 1st year players. Very talented guys but they are taking on new roles.

Are we sure Washington doesnt beat this team?

Totally forgot about washington. Only thing scares me about the Wizards is Gortat... Dude kept his smedium Jersey on in the playoffs last year and Horford stays giving him that work. If Bostons young players can mature they may be ok, but the playoffs is a different animal...

As good as Kyrie is, he HAS to dominate the ball, but he had to adjust that somewhat playing with LeBron so he's sort of capable of doing that. The test is going to be if he respects Hayward enough to defer to him similar to what he did with LeBron. If he can they will be ok, but he's on some ole I want to be the Man shit, so he may not be able to repeat that shit in Boston either...

 

[AllUniverse17]

Totally forgot about washington. Only thing scares me about the Wizards is Gortat... Dude kept his smedium Jersey on in the playoffs last year and Horford stays giving him that work. If Bostons young players can mature they may be ok, but the playoffs is a different animal...

As good as Kyrie is, he HAS to dominate the ball, but he had to adjust that somewhat playing with LeBron so he's sort of capable of doing that. The test is going to be if he respects Hayward enough to defer to him similar to what he did with LeBron. If he can they will be ok, but he's on some ole I want to be the Man shit, so he may not be able to repeat that shit in Boston either...

Thats pretty much what Im saying.

Is Boston gonna be asking too much out of their young guys in the playoffs?

All of the sudden Brown and Tatum are in pivotal roles.

Also, Kyrie is going after that MVP and that scoring title. We know that about him.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Thats pretty much what Im saying.

Is Boston gonna be asking too much out of their young guys in the playoffs?

All of the sudden Brown and Tatum are in pivotal roles.

Also, Kyrie is going after that MVP and that scoring title. We know that about him.

Yep on all accounts. Thats my point too, which is why this was the best deal on the table. If it had leaked that Kyrie wanted out to see if he could be a part of HELPING another team win a title, etc. he wouldn't have come off as so selfish. But all this wanting to be 'the man' nonsense, while I respect his desires, projects the image of a Dude who is going to come in and just do him... If he can confirm, they may be a problem. If he can't, it could be a damn disaster especially with all the young cats who won't develop properly if Kyrie hogs the ball...

 

[Tha Great Muta]

Thats pretty much what Im saying.

Is Boston gonna be asking too much out of their young guys in the playoffs?

All of the sudden Brown and Tatum are in pivotal roles.

Also, Kyrie is going after that MVP and that scoring title. We know that about him.

Kyrie about to get that wake up call. Boston bout to go back to the old ways of making that great white hype the face of the franchise

 

[AllUniverse17]

Kyrie about to get that wake up call. Boston bout to go back to the old ways of making that great white hype the face of the franchise

Nah fam.

They HAVE to justify that trade by making Kyrie the uncontested face of the organization.

If they try to sell Hayward's cac face over Kyrie's im gonna fuckin lose it.

 

[Mask]

Im just throwing it out there.

Its a brand new team in Boston.

I know it sounds ridiculous but... Even Olynick is gone. Im not talking about how good he was, but he was a rotation guy. Who's gonna replace the dirty work that he and Crowder use to put in?

Don't forget Bradley...

 

[Mask]

Another question most on the Boston is way better just by getting Haywood and Unc....

Is the cavs way better

I'm take three players from the Celtics and cross match them...


Unc - It
Al - lil kev
Haywood - Drose

That ain't a huge gap even if you gives the edge to Boston for whatever reason.

 

[Mask]

At work Just walked passed two cats talking....

1. "You think Kyrie was worth all of that?"

2. "Nope"

Me. "Kyrie a dawg tho, but Thomas had nice numbers too, and was money I the 4th quarters of game"

 

[Tha Great Muta]

Nah fam.

They HAVE to justify that trade by making Kyrie the uncontested face of the organization.

If they try to sell Hayward's cac face over Kyrie's im gonna fuckin lose it.

Celtics fan are ya? Boston needs a cac face for all of their franchises where you been?