Kyrie Irving requesting trade out of Cleveland to find bigger role

I know the majority of yall niggas is just extra moist right now because Cleveland's roster just got 110% better for the short term and long term.

Isiah and Irving are both great players Irving just gets the nod right now because he has more body of work to make a judgment from, They both play Zero Defense, Both are Injury prone, but looking at the Numbers IT scored more points than Irving, and he was Injured in the playoffs, now you're going to say IT disappears Irving disappeared 2 or 3 games last year in the finals in the closeout game he fell off missing lay ups because his back was sore.

While on the other hand 5'9 IT dropping 53 points against Washington while John Wall goes for 40. IT basically got that killer instinct/Mamba mentality that Irving claims to have. Personally, I think IT got more heart and savage in him than Kyrie Irving. IT was playing ball two days after his sister died while Kyrie Irving missed a game because his hotel room had bed bugs and he was traumatized! you know many niggas going crazy right now because they wake up every day with bed bugs bites on their ballsack up to their forehead cmon son that's true bitch shit.

And yall act like Dwade and Drose are just some old washed up journeyman, but in reduced roles coming off the Bench or in the starting lineup with minute restrictions you looking at two of the best sixth man ever.

And the 95% chance of a top 5 rookie with nets pick you can get an another future MVP, All-star etc, or you can trade it for another proven ALL-star player.

You got Wade, Rose, Lebron on the same team coming real soon all you need is Mello, and I'm sure you could take that 2018 pick right now and give it NY for Mello since he will be uninterested to do anything but take off his jersey and leave the arena every night if he stays in New York it would be a true shit show down there and if that happens you can have Lebron, IT, restructure their contracts after this season and Mello will be available for free, then you have JR, Shump, Channing coming off the books then you can add another one of Lebrons super-friends to the team.

Fuck a BIG 3 or 4 You looking at a BIG 5 in Cleveland :giggle:

Sorry everyone Lebron Loves Ohio, and The NBA Loves the money Lebron makes them

So sad for the rest of your teams in the East and out West!!! will Westbrook and Durant be available after this upcoming season maybe PG he already said he would be interested to play in Cleveland if LBJ is there maybe he will bring Westbrook with him ?????:roflmao2:
Really working hard to convince yourself huh bruh? Normally when you go on these long ass rants it's more for you Dude... you are so predictable! :giggle:
 
It will also be interesting if IT4 can actually score.with LeBron OFF THE FLOOR. Somebody correct me if I'm.wrong but the scoring fell off when Kyrie was on the floor by himself right?
 
I know the majority of yall niggas is just extra moist right now because Cleveland's roster just got 110% better for the short term and long term.

Isiah and Irving are both great players Irving just gets the nod right now because he has more body of work to make a judgment from, They both play Zero Defense, Both are Injury prone, but looking at the Numbers IT scored more points than Irving, and he was Injured in the playoffs, now you're going to say IT disappears Irving disappeared 2 or 3 games last year in the finals in the closeout game he fell off missing lay ups because his back was sore.

While on the other hand 5'9 IT dropping 53 points against Washington while John Wall goes for 40. IT basically got that killer instinct/Mamba mentality that Irving claims to have. Personally, I think IT got more heart and savage in him than Kyrie Irving. IT was playing ball two days after his sister died while Kyrie Irving missed a game because his hotel room had bed bugs and he was traumatized! you know many niggas going crazy right now because they wake up every day with bed bugs bites on their ballsack up to their forehead cmon son that's true bitch shit.

And yall act like Dwade and Drose are just some old washed up journeyman, but in reduced roles coming off the Bench or in the starting lineup with minute restrictions you looking at two of the best sixth man ever.

And the 95% chance of a top 5 rookie with nets pick you can get an another future MVP, All-star etc, or you can trade it for another proven ALL-star player.

You got Wade, Rose, Lebron on the same team coming real soon all you need is Mello, and I'm sure you could take that 2018 pick right now and give it NY for Mello since he will be uninterested to do anything but take off his jersey and leave the arena every night if he stays in New York it would be a true shit show down there and if that happens you can have Lebron, IT, restructure their contracts after this season and Mello will be available for free, then you have JR, Shump, Channing coming off the books then you can add another one of Lebrons super-friends to the team.

Fuck a BIG 3 or 4 You looking at a BIG 5 in Cleveland :giggle:

Sorry everyone Lebron Loves Ohio, and The NBA Loves the money Lebron makes them

So sad for the rest of your teams in the East and out West!!! will Westbrook and Durant be available after this upcoming season maybe PG he already said he would be interested to play in Cleveland if LBJ is there maybe he will bring Westbrook with him ?????:roflmao2:

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IT was playing ball two days after his sister died while Kyrie Irving missed a game because his hotel room had bed bugs and he was traumatized! you know many niggas going crazy right now because they wake up every day with bed bugs bites on their ballsack up to their forehead cmon son that's true bitch shit.


:roflmao2::roflmao2::roflmao2::roflmao2::roflmao2::roflmao2::roflmao2:
 
I've been following it for a while. That's why I asked. You may be following LeBron but it's not to support him. You ain't said three things positive about him in the last month. And if you did it was always followed by some back hand compliment.

I can respect if you come out and say you don't like a dude. I don't like Jordan's sell out ass, but it's public knowledge. What makes me look at you side ways is that you be back dooring a player while fronting like you get down with him.

I could be wrong but I'm rarely wrong about cats like you. No offense. Not trying to take this beyond sports because it ain't even like that. Just know that whenever I see something you wrote about certain sports figures I take it with a grain of salt and I'm almost positive a lot of other cats do to.
Thy nigga beyond a bitch ain't he
 
Let me be clear. Curry is a great finisher. However, frequency matter. Kyrie scores way more points in the paint than Curry. It's not close. Curry would need to attack the rack more to be his peer there.

That's why i used the Korver example. Korver is a great 3 point shooter, but he doesn't shoot at the frequency nor shoot 3s while ball handling to be compared to Curry.

The argument wasn't volume when I said that
The argument wasn't how much he scores
It was ability to finish.
 
I know the majority of yall niggas is just extra moist right now because Cleveland's roster just got 110% better for the short term and long term.

Isiah and Irving are both great players Irving just gets the nod right now because he has more body of work to make a judgment from, They both play Zero Defense, Both are Injury prone, but looking at the Numbers IT scored more points than Irving, and he was Injured in the playoffs, now you're going to say IT disappears Irving disappeared 2 or 3 games last year in the finals in the closeout game he fell off missing lay ups because his back was sore.

While on the other hand 5'9 IT dropping 53 points against Washington while John Wall goes for 40. IT basically got that killer instinct/Mamba mentality that Irving claims to have. Personally, I think IT got more heart and savage in him than Kyrie Irving. IT was playing ball two days after his sister died while Kyrie Irving missed a game because his hotel room had bed bugs and he was traumatized! you know many niggas going crazy right now because they wake up every day with bed bugs bites on their ballsack up to their forehead cmon son that's true bitch shit.

And yall act like Dwade and Drose are just some old washed up journeyman, but in reduced roles coming off the Bench or in the starting lineup with minute restrictions you looking at two of the best sixth man ever.

And the 95% chance of a top 5 rookie with nets pick you can get an another future MVP, All-star etc, or you can trade it for another proven ALL-star player.

You got Wade, Rose, Lebron on the same team coming real soon all you need is Mello, and I'm sure you could take that 2018 pick right now and give it NY for Mello since he will be uninterested to do anything but take off his jersey and leave the arena every night if he stays in New York it would be a true shit show down there and if that happens you can have Lebron, IT, restructure their contracts after this season and Mello will be available for free, then you have JR, Shump, Channing coming off the books then you can add another one of Lebrons super-friends to the team.

Fuck a BIG 3 or 4 You looking at a BIG 5 in Cleveland :giggle:

Sorry everyone Lebron Loves Ohio, and The NBA Loves the money Lebron makes them

So sad for the rest of your teams in the East and out West!!! will Westbrook and Durant be available after this upcoming season maybe PG he already said he would be interested to play in Cleveland if LBJ is there maybe he will bring Westbrook with him ?????:roflmao2:

Got Eddie Kang Jr in here bragging about players coming who are fully healthy but can only play 20 minutes a game every other game during the season lol
 
How?
It isn't as good a shooter as kyrie
He is a volume shooter and ball dominant

That is how he's effective
And that's not up for debate
They're trying to create their own narrative to convince themselves this bullshit ass trade works for the Cavs Bruh! They're stressing because they got Ainge'd :lol:

Jokers are trying to create a skillset for lil ass IT like it's 2k18. Ole build a player ass Niggas! :roflmao:
 
How?
It isn't as good a shooter as kyrie
He is a volume shooter and ball dominant

That is how he's effective
And that's not up for debate

I'm confused by the whole thing. But they're looking at the 29 points.

Derrick Rose, Isaiah Thomas and JR Smith doesn't look a NBA Championship back court rotation to me :dunno:
 
They're trying to create their own narrative to convince themselves this bullshit ass trade works for the Cavs Bruh! They're stressing because they got Ainge'd :lol:

Jokers are trying to create a skillset for lil ass IT like it's 2k18. Ole build a player ass Niggas! :roflmao:

It's the same player just 5 inches shorter
we are pretending we didn't just see kyrie demolish IT 3 months ago.
 
Don't you think the system will change with IT4 in the.fold? What would you do differently?


Actually Lebron dictates the system, getting IT don't changed Lebron being Lebron.

If they was smart they would change the system...to more plays being called with motion.
It just makes everybody live and quick the defense playing they're man vs posing up there or here.

That's just my thoughts on goin g forward you want to give yourself a slightly better chance of being competitive
 
How?
It isn't as good a shooter as kyrie
He is a volume shooter and ball dominant

That is how he's effective
And that's not up for debate

That question wasn't for you and I never said it was a debate that was a legit question :lol: But since you answered. If you were coaching LeBron and IT4 etc. what system would you install.
 
No need too... my whole point was, if you can't find something of comparable value, chill until the trade deadline when teams needs become more pronounced and you have the chance of getting a better deal, or just sit on it. Honestly, lets be real, they aren't winning the chip this season anyway, and Lebron is gone after this season so Kyrie wouldn't have to play with him anyway. With this desperate deal, they run the risk of going into the 2018 not having Kyrie, LeBron OR IT and what is the net result of this trade long term, Crowder and a top 5 pick... for a Top 3 PG entering into his prime at 25 years old?? Cavs played the hell out of themselves with this trade in my opinion... :smh:

Grading The Deal: Celtics Trade Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Nets FRP To Cavs For Kyrie Irving
BY CHRISTOPHER REINA

AUG 22, 2017 9:02 PM

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Kyrie Irving took control of his future and requested a trade from the Cleveland Cavaliers and it took them a little over a month to settle on an agreement with their biggest Eastern Conference rival to execute a deal that was significantly better than anything else out there.

The Cavaliers were able to get a reasonable facsimile of Irving in Isaiah Thomas, along with Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic and the Brooklyn Nets’ 2018 first round pick. The Cavaliers have more depth and optionality to override the drop-off from Irving to Thomas while also having one of the league’s most valuable long-term assets to use for themselves or convert into another helpful piece in the short-term.

Thomas is coming off an injured hip that hasn’t been surgically repaired and he’s already one of the NBA’s worst defensive players and that will become an even bigger issue as he ages. Irving has hardly given a consistent effort defensively, but he’s capable of at least turning it on at times in the playoffs.

But Thomas is one of the best individual scorers and is coming off a career season in which he had a True Shooting Percentage of .625. Thomas will share the scoring load with LeBron James just as Irving did over the past three seasons. A package with the Suns centered on Eric Bledsoe would have made more sense for the Cavaliers with his capacity to defend, but the sweeteners were nowhere close to what the Celtics traded.

While Crowder’s defense has fallen off recently, he’s still one of the NBA’s best 3-and-D wings on a bargain contract at $6.8 million this season, $7.3 million next season and $7.8 million in 19-20. The Cavaliers had nobody other than James to defend Kevin Durant in last year’s Finals and now Crowder will get those duties whenever he’s in the game. James can slide over to Draymond Green.

The acquisition of the pick from Brooklyn in 2018 gives the Cavaliers a movable asset either at the trade deadline, or in July if LeBron James re-signs. If James leaves, a pick that will likely be in the lottery will help accelerate their unavoidable rebuild just as trading with the Clippers for the pick that became Irving helped them in 2011 after James left the first time.

Cleveland also saved a substantial amount of money in luxury tax payments with this trade.

When comparing what the Cavaliers traded for versus the Indiana Pacers with Paul George and the Chicago Bulls with Jimmy Butler, the trade is even more of a win.

Grade for Cavaliers: A-

Irving is the closest thing the Celtics have had to a true superstar in this era, but perhaps more importantly have avoided re-signing Thomas to a five-year contract at or near the max. The issue with trading down Markelle Fultz for Jayson Tatum wasn’t necessarily about their talent gap as much as it was committing to Thomas.

Boston has been reluctant to give up on Crowder and any future picks for other trade scenarios, so Danny Ainge’s calculus in finally doing so on Irving is an interesting use of resources. While the Celtics have to make this trade to get the best player in the deal who is also several years younger, the cost was massive.

The Celtics have almost entirely turned over their roster since the end of last season, retaining only Al Horford, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart and Terry Rozier. Crowder and Avery Bradley were a huge reason why the Celtics have had one of the NBA's best defensive teams and a fall-off is almost certain based on their new personnel and reliance on young players like Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

This trade makes the Celtics better over the long-term even if it risks that Brooklyn pick. The Celtics also own the Lakers' pick in 2018 and they were running out of ways they can cash those future assets in for an established superstar.

Grade for Celtics: B+
 
That question wasn't for you and I never said it was a debate that was a legit question :lol: But since you answered. If you were coaching LeBron and IT4 etc. what system would you install.

It would be tough because he and Lebron both need the ball in order to dominate. Lebron is the best player in the world so he deserves the ball to dominate.
Maybe run something so that IT can get his shot off every few trips but he's too little to send to the rim and he isn't a spot up shooter. He needs to operate.
I'd start him and play him with that 2nd unit so he could get into a rhythm when Lebron isn't on the court.
 
Grading The Deal: Celtics Trade Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Nets FRP To Cavs For Kyrie Irving
BY CHRISTOPHER REINA

AUG 22, 2017 9:02 PM

Thomas_Isaiah_bos_150225.jpg

Kyrie Irving took control of his future and requested a trade from the Cleveland Cavaliers and it took them a little over a month to settle on an agreement with their biggest Eastern Conference rival to execute a deal that was significantly better than anything else out there.

The Cavaliers were able to get a reasonable facsimile of Irving in Isaiah Thomas, along with Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic and the Brooklyn Nets’ 2018 first round pick. The Cavaliers have more depth and optionality to override the drop-off from Irving to Thomas while also having one of the league’s most valuable long-term assets to use for themselves or convert into another helpful piece in the short-term.

Thomas is coming off an injured hip that hasn’t been surgically repaired and he’s already one of the NBA’s worst defensive players and that will become an even bigger issue as he ages. Irving has hardly given a consistent effort defensively, but he’s capable of at least turning it on at times in the playoffs.

But Thomas is one of the best individual scorers and is coming off a career season in which he had a True Shooting Percentage of .625. Thomas will share the scoring load with LeBron James just as Irving did over the past three seasons. A package with the Suns centered on Eric Bledsoe would have made more sense for the Cavaliers with his capacity to defend, but the sweeteners were nowhere close to what the Celtics traded.

While Crowder’s defense has fallen off recently, he’s still one of the NBA’s best 3-and-D wings on a bargain contract at $6.8 million this season, $7.3 million next season and $7.8 million in 19-20. The Cavaliers had nobody other than James to defend Kevin Durant in last year’s Finals and now Crowder will get those duties whenever he’s in the game. James can slide over to Draymond Green.

The acquisition of the pick from Brooklyn in 2018 gives the Cavaliers a movable asset either at the trade deadline, or in July if LeBron James re-signs. If James leaves, a pick that will likely be in the lottery will help accelerate their unavoidable rebuild just as trading with the Clippers for the pick that became Irving helped them in 2011 after James left the first time.

Cleveland also saved a substantial amount of money in luxury tax payments with this trade.

When comparing what the Cavaliers traded for versus the Indiana Pacers with Paul George and the Chicago Bulls with Jimmy Butler, the trade is even more of a win.

Grade for Cavaliers: A-

Irving is the closest thing the Celtics have had to a true superstar in this era, but perhaps more importantly have avoided re-signing Thomas to a five-year contract at or near the max. The issue with trading down Markelle Fultz for Jayson Tatum wasn’t necessarily about their talent gap as much as it was committing to Thomas.

Boston has been reluctant to give up on Crowder and any future picks for other trade scenarios, so Danny Ainge’s calculus in finally doing so on Irving is an interesting use of resources. While the Celtics have to make this trade to get the best player in the deal who is also several years younger, the cost was massive.

The Celtics have almost entirely turned over their roster since the end of last season, retaining only Al Horford, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart and Terry Rozier. Crowder and Avery Bradley were a huge reason why the Celtics have had one of the NBA's best defensive teams and a fall-off is almost certain based on their new personnel and reliance on young players like Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

This trade makes the Celtics better over the long-term even if it risks that Brooklyn pick. The Celtics also own the Lakers' pick in 2018 and they were running out of ways they can cash those future assets in for an established superstar.

Grade for Celtics: B+

Pretty good write up, glad to see what 'Christoper Reina' thinks abou the trade. Shit, we can just /thread now, behind this shit! Christopher Reina has spoken :D
 
I'm confused by the whole thing. But they're looking at the 29 points.

Derrick Rose, Isaiah Thomas and JR Smith doesn't look a NBA Championship back court rotation to me :dunno:

Nah man.. there is absolutely no fall off whatsoever between IT and Kyrie! He's just a lil shorter, but they are the same player. He's bringing 29 a night to the Cavs... that firepower is gonna blow teams away! GS and the rest of the elite out west better watch out! Voltron 2.0 in Cleveland with this deal! KABOOM!!!! :yes:
 
It would be tough because he and Lebron both need the ball in order to dominate. Lebron is the best player in the world so he deserves the ball to dominate.
Maybe run something so that IT can get his shot off every few trips but he's too little to send to the rim and he isn't a spot up shooter. He needs to operate.
I'd start him and play him with that 2nd unit so he could get into a rhythm when Lebron isn't on the court.
I think you're missing the fact that for the FIRST TIME IN 14 SEASONS LeBron is going to allow a team to completely change their scheme to support another player. LeBron will probably play off the ball more and become a little more of a set up man/screener so they can maximize IT's skillset! With his Improved 3pt shot, LeBron is gonna be deadly as fuck feeding off of IT :yes:
 
@BAG

From this:

July 1st The Cleveland Cavaliers will be stronger Than any Team assembled in Sports ever [EVIDENCE ]
http://www.bgol.us/forum/index.php?...eam-assembled-in-sports-ever-evidence.956747/

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[BAG]Lebron,Mello,Bledsoe is coming real soon Scrub Nation Be Affraid[BAG]
http://www.bgol.us/forum/index.php?...real-soon-scrub-nation-be-affraid-bag.960430/
http://www.bgol.us/forum/index.php?...real-soon-scrub-nation-be-affraid-bag.960430/
To typing up long ass fucking posts about this....
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Jeezus Bruh... In your world... the Cavs went from:

Melo and Paul George, AND keeping Kyrie

to

Bledsoe and Melo and losing Kyrie

to

IT and Jay Crowder... :dance:

You may have become the biggest jinx on BGOL!!! If I was a Cavs fan here, I'd tell you..... STOP STARTING FUCKING THREADS ABOUT THE CAVS! :lol:
 
The argument wasn't volume when I said that
The argument wasn't how much he scores
It was ability to finish.

That's why i used Korver.. similar shooting percentage doesn't matter as much because Curry shoots way more 3s. Actually Korver shoots a higher % from 3

All variables are implied
 
That's why i used Korver.. similar shooting percentage doesn't matter as much because Curry shoots way more 3s. Actually Korver shoots a higher % from 3

All variables are implied

We're not connecting here.
I am saying that the array of difficult shots that Steph can hit is in lock step with what Kyrie can hit. their touch around the rim is unmatched by anyone else in the league.
the difficult layups and floaters and such.

in the korver example it would have to be a specific type of 3 not just 3's overall it would be korver pulls up from 3 off the dribble like steph can. not the percentage or volume of shots the ability to make the same type of shots.
 
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