Koonye goes on White Suprimacist pod cast and says Jews should Forgive Hitler

[Piff Henderson]

Do you live in the United States? Who is on the money? What is the capital of the United States called? There are statues of these enslavers all across the United States, there are universities named after them, there are movies and books made about them. The love of those enslavers are embedded in the fabric of the United States.

Slavery was an unmitigated evil at even a higher level, the African Holocaust lasted for over 200 years while the Jewish Holocaust lasted for 12 years. Now, Piff Piff, where is your same energy for the African Holocaust?

You're making an entirely different point than I'm making. Regardless of what they did, they're still founders of the nation. Every nation honors its founders. Personally, I don't care for any of those dead CACs but I'm not surprised they're honored in a country whose government they created.

That being said, I still haven't heard any celebrity, unless they're on the right wing, talk about how much they love Washington and Jefferson. Any celebrity who'd do that publicly would, without a doubt, be called out for praising slave owners.

And, again, to reiterate my point; Ye is being criticised for praising Hitler as any celebrity would.

 

[Piff Henderson]

Slavery was an unmitigated evil at even a higher level, the African Holocaust lasted for over 200 years while the Jewish Holocaust lasted for 12 years. Now, Piff Piff, where is your same energy for the African Holocaust?

I want to address this point here separately. Firstly, I agree with it basically. Slavery was (is) an unmitigated evil that caused untold amounts of suffering. Furthermore, it was evil to profit or take part in it in any form whatsoever.

That being said, no one person is responsible for slavery. Hitler, OTOH, is most responsible for the Holocaust.

Other than the fact both caused great human suffering, it's nonsensical to even compare African slavery to the Holocaust. They're very different events with very different motivations.

 

[World B Free]

You're making an entirely different point than I'm making. Regardless of what they did, they're still founders of the nation. Every nation honors its founders. Personally, I don't care for any of those dead CACs but I'm not surprised they're honored in a country whose government they created.

That being said, I still haven't heard any celebrity, unless they're on the right wing, talk about how much they love Washington and Jefferson. Any celebrity who'd do that publicly would, without a doubt, be called out for praising slave owners.

And, again, to reiterate my point; Ye is being criticised for praising Hitler as any celebrity would.

Now your excuse is that they were the founders, already you're making excuses for the enslavers. See that's why you can't see the evil in slavery, because you're making excuses for them. Was President Andrew Jackson a founder? He's honored. Literally, the historic Black college Jackson State University is named after him, can you even picture having a Hitler University and the predominately Jewish student attending there? Huh?

& why are you focusing on celebrities? That's strange. I'm focusing on the very name of a lot of White people attitudes towards enslavers in the United States, this issue is bigger than celebrities.

 

[neptunes007]

 

[World B Free]

I want to address this point here separately. Firstly, I agree with it basically. Slavery was (is) an unmitigated evil that caused untold amounts of suffering. Furthermore, it was evil to profit or take part in it in any form whatsoever.

That being said, no one person is responsible for slavery. Hitler, OTOH, is most responsible for the Holocaust.

Other than the fact both caused great human suffering, it's nonsensical to even compare African slavery to the Holocaust. They're very different events with very different motivations.

Hitler was most responsible because the Jewish Holocaust lasted for 12 years while the African Holocaust lasted for over 200 years. In Slavery, the African Holocaust in the United States had to be passed on to others because of the length of the time period and plus the African Holocaust was much more widespread.

 

[Gods_Debris]

I don't recall anyone in the public eye exclaiming they love Washington or Jefferson. That said, these guys did do some good despite the undeniable evil they committed. Hitler, OTOH, is unmitigated evil.

Furthermore, my main point is that he's not being criticised because of his race. If a white celebrity said they agree with Hitler they'd be cancelled with a quickness.

The statement concerning Hitler is objectively false if you know about the contributions to science and psychology brought to bare by the Third Reich.

 

[Piff Henderson]

Now your excuse is that they were the founders, already you're making excuses for the enslavers. See that's why you can't see the evil in slavery, because you're making excuses for them. Was President Andrew Jackson a founder? He's honored. Literally, the historic Black college Jackson State University is named after him, can you even picture having a Hitler University and the predominately Jewish student attending there? Huh?

& why are you focusing on celebrities? That's strange. I'm focusing on the very name of a lot of White people attitudes towards enslavers in the United States, this issue is bigger than celebrities.

I forgot why I stopped discussions with you. It's all straw man arguments with you.

First, I'm making this about celebrities because my point is about Kanye who is a celebrity. It had nothing to do with the founders or slavery. We were talking about Kanye being being criticised for praising Hitler. You said it's about control. I argued it's about praising Hitler.

Secondly, I never made any excuses for enslavers. I'm informing you why they're on the money and there are statues of them. It's because they founded the country. Period. People tend to look past the evil committed by people who did great things. This is happens everywhere. It's hypocritical but it is what it is.

 

[Piff Henderson]

Hitler was most responsible because the Jewish Holocaust lasted for 12 years while the African Holocaust lasted for over 200 years. In Slavery, the African Holocaust in the United States had to be passed on to others because of the length of the time period and plus the African Holocaust was much more widespread.

Your elementary history lesson doesn't change my point. Hitler is most responsible for the Holocaust. Meanwhile there's no one person you can mostly blame for slavery. That's it. Everyone knows one lasted longer than the other.

 

[Piff Henderson]

The statement concerning Hitler is objectively false if you know about the contributions to science and psychology brought to bare by the Third Reich.

Are you arguing the Nazis contributed good things? I'll leave that argument to you. Werner Von Braun notwithstanding.

 

[neptunes007]

Anyone got the link?

 

[World B Free]

Your elementary history lesson doesn't change my point. Hitler is most responsible for the Holocaust. Meanwhile there's no one person you can mostly blame for slavery. That's it. Everyone knows one lasted longer than the other.

What you're attempting to do is to minimize what the enslavers in the United States did because of the length of the evilness, you're not slick. & again, why Hitler is the most responsible for the Jewish Holocaust is because it was from 1933 to 1945 while the African Holocaust was from 1619 to 1863/1865 so many more enslavers had to responsible for that holocaust.

 

[Piff Henderson]

What you're attempting to do is to minimize what the enslavers in the United States did because of the length of the evilness, you're not slick. & again, why Hitler is the most responsible for the Jewish Holocaust is because it was from 1933 to 1945 while the African Holocaust was from 1619 to 1863/1865 so many more enslavers had to responsible for that holocaust.

Wrong. What you're trying to do is obfuscate my point by mentioning slavery and slave owners. It's a red herring because I never mentioned that subject, you did. I said slavery was an unmitigated evil and never said otherwise.

 

[Gods_Debris]

Are you arguing the Nazis contributed good things? I'll leave that argument to you. Werner Von Braun notwithstanding.

I didn't say anything about an argument I said objective fact. Feel free to argue against established truth all you want chief.

 

[Piff Henderson]

I didn't say anything about an argument I said objective fact. Feel free to argue against established truth all you want chief.

What "objective fact" have you provided thus far for me to argue against? You made a statement that I neither agreed nor disagreed with but made it clear I didn't want to touch.

 

[World B Free]

I forgot why I stopped discussions with you. It's all straw man arguments with you.

First, I'm making this about celebrities because my point is about Kanye who is a celebrity. It had nothing to do with the founders or slavery. We were talking about Kanye being being criticised for praising Hitler. You said it's about control. I argued it's about praising Hitler.

Secondly, I never made any excuses for enslavers. I'm informing you why they're on the money and there are statues of them. It's because they founded the country. Period. People tend to look past the evil committed by people who did great things. This is happens everywhere. It's hypocritical but it is what it is.

Did you even read my initial comment? I said "this isn't about Kanye"? Here it is:

and

Now you're saying "People tend to look past the evil committed by people who did great things," now you're defending the enslavers? What great things did the enslavers do? This country was built on the backs of enslaved Africans, was that great?

So you're using the founders excuse, huh? Well the founders were enslavers, where is your outrage for them being evil, huh? This nation was only founded because it was founded on backs of enslaved Africans & you see that as a great thing. Now I know where your mind is at.

 

[Day_Carver]

I bet in some other timeline, Kanye battles Herschel Walker for the Coon Infinity Stones.

 

[Piff Henderson]

Did you even read my initial comment? I said "this isn't about Kanye"? Here it is:

and

Now you're saying "People tend to look past the evil committed by people who did great things," now you're defending the enslavers? What great things did the enslavers do? This country was built on the backs of enslaved Africans, was that great?

So you're using the founders excuse, huh? Well the founders were enslavers, where is your outrage for them being evil, huh? This nation was only founded because it was founded on backs of enslaved Africans & you see that as a great thing. Now I know where your mind is at.

Are you illiterate?

Yes, I read your initial comment. Why do you think I made the statement I did? This is all about Kanye. The guy has praised Hitler along with other things he's said. That's enough to get anyone criticised and cancelled. This has nothing to do with dictating who Black people can praise or any other nonsense.

How, exactly, is saying what people tend to do defending slave owners? If you want to play that game, you defending Kanye is defending Hitler. Would you agree with that statement because less stupid than what you're accusing me of doing?

And stop with the obvious, dumb ass red herrings. I never defended slavery or enslavers and you know that. I repeated time and again slavery is evil, which is more than you did with Hitler. If you have to put words in another persons mouth, you have no argument.

 

[Gods_Debris]

What "objective fact" have you provided thus far for me to argue against? You made a statement that I neither agreed nor disagreed with but made it clear I didn't want to touch.

That's a personal choice, you're free to avoid it if you like. I'm stating that their contributions objectively contributed to scientific advancement. I'm not here to teach a class my g??? If you don't know about nazi science that's on you, and quite a deficit if I'm being frank as they are literally famous for their technological achievements in that era. To a point, the number of movies that fawn over and seemingly celebrate that shit to this very day is quite disturbing You can be as dismissive as you like, I'll be okay.

 

[Piff Henderson]

That's a personal choice, you're free to avoid it if you like. I'm stating that their contributions objectively contributed to scientific advancement. I'm not here to teach a class my g? You can be as dismissive as you like, I'll be okay.

Considering I never made a statement about what Hitler and the Nazis did or didn't contribute to science, I'm not sure what your point even is. What point of mine are you disagreeing with specifically? So far, it seems like you're shadow boxing b.

 

[rangerman]

On one hand I agree with the premise of telling blacks to get over our grievances while they are pushing anti-semitism as a major and growing problem in the US. How many jews are getting killed by police or shot through front doors while politically canvasing by pstd crackas as a result of anti-semitism? So shoot me.

American Jews and the jews terrorizing the Palestinians are ashkanazi whites.
They admit it when it's convenient and beneficial:

I agree that Jews have figured a way to monetize their so called holocaust. I just disagree with going that cac a platform. If they took as much money as he lost I would feel the same way....just not with a racist ass cac

 

[Mr. Met]

When will y’all realize that they’re all CACs?

Koonye is just choosing one group of CACs over the other.

 

[World B Free]

Are you illiterate?

Yes, I read your initial comment. Why do you think I made the statement I did? This is all about Kanye. The guy has praised Hitler along with other things he's said. That's enough to get anyone criticised and cancelled. This has nothing to do with dictating who Black people can praise or any other nonsense.

How, exactly, is saying what people tend to do defending slave owners? If you want to play that game, you defending Kanye is defending Hitler. Would you agree with that statement because less stupid than what you're accusing me of doing?

And stop with the obvious, dumb ass red herrings. I never defended slavery or enslavers and you know that. I repeated time and again slavery is evil, which is more than you did with Hitler. If you have to put words in another persons mouth, you have no argument.

The question really is "are you illiterate?" ......

Again I said this isn't about Kanye, what you didn't read:

I said "this isn't about Kanye, this is about who can dictate to whom..."

&

Then you said, "This is all about Kanye."

C'mon son, reading is fundamental.


&

Yes, you're defending the enslavers, I stand by that. This is what you said:

"It's because they founded the country. Period. People tend to look past the evil committed by people who did great things."

Again, what great things did they do, huh? Answer that question.

 

[Gods_Debris]

Considering I never made a statement about what Hitler and the Nazis did or didn't contribute to science, I'm not sure what your point even is. What point of mine are you disagreeing with specifically? So far, it seems like you're shadow boxing b.

Are you playing right now?

I don't recall anyone in the public eye exclaiming they love Washington or Jefferson. That said, these guys did do some good despite the undeniable evil they committed. Hitler, OTOH, is unmitigated evil.

To which I made the point that in the same way Nazi Germany, under Hitlers dictates, also did some good in their contributions to science. You're making a distinction based on what grounds?

 

[Piff Henderson]

The question really is "are you illiterate?" ......

Again I said this isn't about Kanye, what you didn't read:

I said "this isn't about Kanye, this is about who can dictate to whom..."

&

Then you said, "This is all about Kanye."

C'mon son, reading is fundamental.


&

Yes, you're defending the enslavers, I stand by that. This is what you said:

"It's because they founded the country. Period. People tend to look past the evil committed by people who did great things."

Again, what great things did they do, huh? Answer that question.

What is your point exactly? I disagreed with your point about Kanye and stated why I did so. What does that have to do with me not reading your statement? Make it make sense.

Again, what great things did they do, huh? Answer that question.

Are you familiar with American history. They founded the country and wrote the Constitution. That doesn't excuse their hand in slavery but I never said it did.

Most countries honor their founders regardless of whatever evils they may have committed. I'm sorry if that bothers you but I didn't make the rules. They were well-established by the time I was born.

 

[World B Free]

What is point exactly? I disagreed with your point about Kanye you stated why did so. What does that have to do with me not reading your statement? Make it make sense.



Are you familiar with American history. They founded the country and wrote the Constitution. That doesn't excuse their hand in slavery but I never said it did.

Most countries honor their founders regardless of whatever evils they may have committed. I'm sorry if that bothers you but I didn't make the rules. They were well-established by the time I was born.

You're making my point, Kanye can say that Hitler did some good things like you're saying that founding enslavers did some good things. You said "Are you familiar with American history. They founded the country and wrote the Constitution," these are your good things the enslavers did. While I view your good things as being built on bad things namely the African Holocaust and the genocide of the Native American so your good things aren't actually good things to me. It took the African Holocaust for this nation to be founded and a constitution written.

 

[Gods_Debris]

Being "unmitigated evil" and contributing to science in some ways (but detracting in others such as dismissing the Theory of Relativity as "Jewish Science") are not mutually exclusive. Contributing to science isn't necessarily a morally good. We're obviously speaking on two different things here.

Now I don't want to go there but eliminating Jews, who have won nearly a quarter of the Fields Medals (23%) and a fifth of the Nobel Prizes, from your society probably isn't that great for science and learning in the long run.

Are you Jewish? You are parsing historical facts in a very strange and disingenuous way. What is necessarily morally good about the founding of the United States and the writing of a the Constitution both of which were purely in the interest of white land owning men. Its literally the originalist basis for the conservative movements interpretations of constitutional law. Its why the Supreme Court has been making so many fucked up rulings: mitch and co. packed the court with constitutional originalist extremist nut jobs.

Also medals of honor and Nobel Prizees are both political awards and are about as objective a measure as winning an Oscar. Do you know how many deserving Black servicemen have been denied and relinquished to the bowels of history in this racist ass land?

You backtracked on your point and set up shop again like the dwarves in god of war. Come on man, show us your character.

 

[Piff Henderson]

You're making my point, Kanye can say that Hitler did some good things like you're saying that founding enslavers did some good things. You said "Are you familiar with American history. They founded the country and wrote the Constitution," these are your good things the enslavers did. While I view your good things as being built on bad things namely the African Holocaust and the genocide of the Native American so your good things aren't actually good things to me. It took the African Holocaust for this nation to be founded and a constitution written.

Sure he can say Hitler did good things, but the criticism that comes with that has nothing to do with him being Black or dictating to Black people. Anyone who praises Hitler publicly will be criticized regardless of their race. Kanye isn't special here.

Do you live in this country and, if so, do you plan on moving any time soon? If not, the moral high horse is a little weak since you're choosing to live in a country governed by a constitution written slave owners and genocidal white men. So you must also believe they did some good or you'd be gone by now.

 

[Piff Henderson]

Are you Jewish? You are parsing historical facts in a very strange and disingenuous way. What is necessarily morally good about the founding of the United States and the writing of a the Constitution both of which were purely in the interest of white land owning men. Its literally the originalist basis for the conservative movements interpretations of constitutional law. Its why the Supreme Court has been making so many fucked up rulings: mitch and co. packed the court with constitutional originalist extremist nut jobs.

Also medals of honor and Nobel Prizees are both political awards and are about as objective a measure as winning an Oscar. Do you know how many deserving Black servicemen have been denied and relinquished to the bowels of history in this racist ass land?

You backtracked on your point and set up shop again like the dwarves in god of war. Come on man, show us your character.

Funny that, the framers of the constitution weren't even originalists. They wanted a new constitution every generation or so.

And, no, I'm not Jewish. I do get your point now and retracted my last comment since contributing to science, to whatever extent the Nazis actually did so, is a "good" in the same sense founding the US is (I guess).

The Nobel is given for contributions to science, math, literature, and politics. It's not all about one subject. Furthermore, the Fields Medal, which you ignored, is only concerned with mathematics.

 

[ORIGINAL NATION]

Even if they say they forgive Hitler white power was still going to prop them up. And anything found about Jesus true identity Israel is there to either hid it or destroy it. They are white and devils also.
West is sharing in with whites controlling things right now. One day this earth will revert back into the hands of its original owners, us the black race.

 

[World B Free]

Sure he can say Hitler did good things, but the criticism that comes with that has nothing to do with him being Black or dictating to Black people. Anyone who praises Hitler publicly will be criticized regardless of their race. Kanye isn't special here.

Do you live in this country and, if so, do you plan on moving any time soon? If not, the moral high horse is a little weak since you're choosing to live in a country governed by a constitution written slave owners and genocidal white men. So you must also believe they did some good or you'd be gone by now.

That is definitely a white man response:

"Do you live in this country and, if so, do you plan on moving any time soon?"

I am talking about the reality of United States and how it was founded and on whose backs it was founded on. Without the African Holocaust then there would be no United States & by stating that then why should I leave a place my ancestors built from the ground up, huh? My ancestors have blood in the soil; I am their legacy.

and

you said "Sure he can say Hitler did good things, but the criticism that comes with that has nothing to do with him being Black or dictating to Black people. Anyone who praises Hitler publicly will be criticized regardless of their race. Kanye isn't special here."

I have to constantly tell you, America's enslavers are loved by many White people so where is the criticism for them loving the enslavers of Black people, huh? & that has EVERYTHING to do with race, that's anti-Blackness at the root, at the core; praising the white so-called founders of this country is anti-Blackness, even you saying they did great things is anti-Blackness.

 

[Complex]

We need one Coonye thread. This is some everyday shit.

 

[Piff Henderson]

That is definitely a white man response:

"Do you live in this country and, if so, do you plan on moving any time soon?"

I am talking about the reality of United States and how it was founded and on whose backs it was founded on. Without the African Holocaust then there would be no United States & by stating that then why should I leave a place my ancestors built from the ground up, huh? My ancestors have blood in the soil; I am their legacy.

and

you said "Sure he can say Hitler did good things, but the criticism that comes with that has nothing to do with him being Black or dictating to Black people. Anyone who praises Hitler publicly will be criticized regardless of their race. Kanye isn't special here."

I have to constantly tell you, America's enslavers are loved by many White people so where is the criticism for them loving the enslavers of Black people, huh? & that has EVERYTHING to do with race, that's anti-Blackness at the root, at the core; praising the white so-called founders of this country is anti-Blackness, even you saying they did great things is anti-Blackness.

then why should I leave a place my ancestors built from the ground up, huh?

Because it was founded by slave-owning, genocidal white men and still governed by a document written by those men. Furthermore, it's a country, by your own admission, that still honors those men. If all of that is evil how can you find any redeeming value in it regardless of your ancestors being forced to build it.

I have to constantly tell you, America's enslavers are loved by many White people so where is the criticism for them loving the enslavers of Black people, huh?

Nearly everywhere American history is discussed or taught. Why do you think CACs hate teaching history, so-called liberal colleges, and CRT? Because historians have been highly critical about the founding of America and the framers of the Constitution.

Have you heard of Howard Zinn and The People's History of the United States? It's the most influential US history book ever published and it's highly critical of the US founders. It was also written by a Jew.

 

[World B Free]

Because it was founded by slave-owning, genocidal white men and still governed by a document written by those men. Furthermore, it's a country, by your own admission, that still honors those men. If all of that is evil how can you find any redeeming value in it regardless of your ancestors being forced to build it.



Nearly everywhere American history is discussed or taught. Why do you think CACs hate teaching history, so-called liberal colleges, and CRT? Because historians have been highly critical about the founding of America and the framers of the Constitution.

Have you heard of Howard Zinn and The People's History of the United States? It's the most influential US history book ever published and it's highly critical of the US founders. It was also written by a Jew.

You have selective reading problems, I mainly said this:

"I am talking about the reality of United States and how it was founded and on whose backs it was founded on. Without the African Holocaust then there would be no United States & by stating that then why should I leave a place my ancestors built from the ground up, huh? My ancestors have blood in the soil; I am their legacy."


& what does Howard Zinn have do with your argument, huh? He's an outlier along with his book & yes, I own a copy of his book. The enslavers are still on the money; the enslaver's name is still the capital of the United States; the enslavers are everywhere. Again, if this country propagates good things about those enslavers then Kanye should be able to see the good in whoever he sees fit.

 

[phanatic]

The statement concerning Hitler is objectively false if you know about the contributions to science and psychology brought to bare by the Third Reich.

Jared Fogel encouraged a lot of people to lose weight. People should really consider that when he's talked about. He might have did some bad things, but the focus should be on the good.










This is obviously sarcasm. Only a psycho doesn't want to see the whole picture.

 

[mcguyver]

He's right