I think they usually do men of the year. This is the first year I've heard them do a citizen of the year. I could be wrong though.
Kaepernick is GQ's citizen of the year and cover story
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I think they usually do men of the year. This is the first year I've heard them do a citizen of the year. I could be wrong though.
Like I said, I can't speak to their motives, but even if their motives are poor, I don't think that the story and the cover is bad. If I'm feeding starving children or donating money some place because I want to make myself look good, kids still eat, people still get the money. So regardless of their motives, the exposure can do some good.
Ok, so it's possible that regardless Of what something was INTENDED for originally , we can take it and use it for our own motivesif we find some use for something ? I agree with that.
The term "Civil Rights Industry" is a right wing term, you sound like you're straight outta Fox News. & as for the hiding behind something: when is contextual information about Black athletes and protest hiding behind someone? It's called "history." So if someone writes a book and you reference the book, that's "hiding behind" someone? Your logic doesn't make sense.
Yeah and I didn't have a problem with the cover. The black panthers fought against having the black community terrorized and pics of Kaep with his fro and his fist in the air reminded me of the Olympic protests, so artistically having him channel the black panthers seems appropriate in a way, but I can understand people being upset or seeing it as a stereotype.
Lol here you go again with what something sounds like to you, as if that's supposed to mean something. I could spend time saying you also sound like MSNBC. Great. Now we both sound like two news channels. Fuck those channels. Talk.im sure stuff I say could appear on any damn channel
And as far as hiding behind someone , it is. The only difference between him saying it and you saying it, is he has some kind of title and a position. But he wasn't staying facts he was stating his opinion. It didn't sound any better coming from him than you. But you posted him saying it as if that was some kind of checkmate. He seems like a nice guy, but he didn't say shit. . I've sat and tried to listen to a few of his lectures and interviews and for all his fancy titles, I don't hear much of anything that I find groundbreaking or interesting. But then , he's a sociologist. Nice way to get paid from the league. Wonder how long he's had that job.
I don't have a "problem" with the cover either. I don't really have much of an interest in people getting to understand Colin. I'm not much of a supporter of his either, just so ya know. I find the whole thing funny. If I remember. Correctly this whole thing was supposed to be about police brutality, not Colin. At this point I haven't heard anyone discuss any of that for the longest. It's been about him. Now in the league theyre back on player union issues , which is really all they can work on anyway. As far as issues in Black communities , that's all local issues that team members who care, can handle in their off time. It's ready not a
Something you can shame anyone else into caring about at a game. He was already doing that before. That's the part about him that I do support. Now it's all a circus.
exciledking, I notice how you don't focus on the content, instead you harp on "fancy titles" and "get paid from the league," what you ignore is the history of the Black athlete from Curt Flood to John Carlos & Tommie Smith in the 1968 Mexico Olympics to Muhammad Ali & Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf; these were all precursors to Colin Kaepernick. Kaepernick didn't arrive on the scene as some creation of the "lefties," as you like to expound, instead he's a part of the long tradition of Black Protest & Black Struggle. & this is the context that you're denying, exiledking; you want to pretend he's some media figment of our consumer imagination when in reality he was birthed in womb of Black Progress.
Just like how in REAL life we no longer have need for Black Panthers , we don't need someone pretending to be one on a cover in a bespoke suit. Its telling that everyone is trying to recreate IMAGES from the 60s instead of images that naturally occur in our own time.
I agree with this, but that is because of the effort of white folks to change the narrative and getting away with it.
You're still talking about how km talking instead of what I'm talking about dude.
Then you're telling me about history JUST like that guy in your video did.
I don't ignore what they did. They did what they did in their time. Ali wasn't doing photoshoots imitating anyone. Tommy and John werent saying "yeah , let's hold our fist up and when they see this picture in 20 years boy...Whoo!" And truthfully? Theres more depth and analysis about how effective any of those things were towards their stated goals. If anything is to be learned from those historic things is how to tweak them so we dont have to do anything symbolic at all IU n the future . And at this point MY MAIN POINT is, all this symbolic bullshit is making people feel satisfied and not doing the boring minute, effective long term shit that can achieve this.
And there are people actually doing it. Colin was even doing it and there are parts of what he's doing still. The flag bullshit is the least important thing he's done imo. I respect what he was already doing., Whether we know about it or not. If more football players, play their games, make their money, build a stronger. Union for themselves , THEN go out and support the issues in the local governments theyre in, particularly helping kids in those communities get education, I think we'd see some good things. I'm sorry, I know it's all right Wingy , but I think WE can do more for yourselves right now than any magazines , TV shows, or all those "lefty" white people who claim to have our backs. Sue me.
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There's a ton of narratives even in the Black community. depending on who ya Ask. And GQ is White I believe. Is their version ok?
As I said earlier, I know they are white. If it were a black magazine they'd be preaching to the choir. I also prefaced my comments with the fact I hadn't read the article, but that Kaep gave them the contacts to speak with for the story and since he retweeted it, I assume the final product has his approval.
The narrative I'm speaking of is directing the the focus away from police brutality to the military, flag, and anthem itself. They will of course muddy the water, but far too many (not all) black folks who are in the position of publicly discussing this in the media, let them direct the conversation and started talking about this in terms of disrespect for the country, whether it's right to disrespect the flag and the military, and not police brutality. At first Kaep was sitting down. It was a vet who suggested that he kneel instead to show respect. Since it (appears at least) to have the approval of Kaep, I'm assuming it is keeping the record straight. Have you read the article? What did you think of it?
Mind you, I didn't wanna talk about this guy and his videos anyway but I guess you roped me in lol. I don't hear anything in his content interesting
I don't wanna talk about anyone sitting or standing at all. I read the article. Blah. Fluff piece. No amount of sitting or standing or yelling white people at football games will do shit. All I wanna yell at white people is "leave us alone. Dont come fucking with what we're working on for ourselves and.watch what happens. Jim.crow is over, the crack era is over, HBCUs have been built, black banks have been built, we're a part of all the institutions, we're integrated for better or for worse. Shit ain't all the way fair, but we can work with this.
They can talk all day about whatever they want
Oh and quit lying about what you can do for us, and what we need from you. That's what I'd yell.
Well we disagree there too but I'm interested to hear how you think it isn't over
Do you know what Jim Crow is?
Yes.
Most cities are still divided along racial lines, the infrastructure itself in many places reinforces it.
Obama was basically asked to show his papers.
Black men until recently in NY were getting stopped and frisked at will.
We have voter ID laws in place designed to depress the black vote.
And prisons are full of black folks working for free.
Oh I forgot, black folks shopping or walking in predominantly white areas will still get the police called on them, stopped and harassed to show why they have cause to be in a place they "don't belong".
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How about losing an $11 millie paycheck and a superstar lifestyle.
You forget that he was the most popular player in the NFL at one point and switching up ISG hoes like the average man switches underwear.
You nor I know what his money situation was/is but he clearly downgraded and his image took a major hit, not to mention the death threats.
Would he come off more authentic to you if he was relegated to the hood like Ali?
There's nothing wrong with neighborhoods divided along ethnic lines. That's everywhere in the world, including africa.
Obama was the president. The whole president. All of em have to show their birth certificates. So he did. It made the news even bigger cuz of Trump. It was never really serious.
Stop and frisk was real. And that was in new York. don't agree with the war on drugs at all but let's remember therethe congressional Black caucus and prominent religious figures who played a part in getting that going back then. We thought it was a good thing back then.
And showing your ID when you vote is no big deal. I'd prefer it to keep people I don't want cheating the vote (white or anybody) from cheating. Black people don't have a problem with that statistically. We had a problem with the crazy shit they were doing in actual Jim Crow.
And yes, we are over represented in prison. The drug ear has something to do with that and I wamt that gone. That's not good. We are also over represented in violent crime. We kill each other A LOT.
Again, I don't think we live in utopia but we damn sure don't live in Jim Crow. And even when we did , we built colleges, banks, stores , and got it poppin. NOTHING can stop us when we want something.
Some of this sounds like RW talking points but I just got finished arguing with white folks about voter ID and voter supression on another forum, I'm not going to argue it with black folks who should know better.
I don't watch football so I don't know how popular he was. I only heard of him when hia kneeling was made into a big deal, and then when he started the other antics with the pig socks and the Castro shit. And all the while he was still playing.
And when he left , I don't think he thought he wouldnt get another job. Matter of fact, if he did, he made it clear that he was done kneeling right before the draft started so that's hardly fearless.
He didn't speak at all until his lawsuit hit, and that was well after he realized that he wasn't gonna get a job. So clearly he didn't think that was gonna happen. And by then the writing was on the wall on how he could be a hero, plus he was already painted as Ali reincarnated , so there has been no lull. Ali had to literally borrow money from Joe Frazier. He was out of a job for real for 3 years. No boxers stopped boxing for him. No one expected them to. Colin is still giving away money and people were wanting the other players to not go to work.
I don't need him to come off more authentic. But it is what it is.
You're attempting to ignore history, that's why I'm discussing history. You can't sever history from Kaepernick's story, history makes his story even more powerful. Colin was not created in a vacuum like I told you there is a rich context of struggle. I see what you're doing you're attempting, in the end, to only pigeon hole him as a person grasping of bygone symbolism. What you've gotten wrong is that Kaepernick is a modern day symbol of that same tradition, & his symbol is not empty; it's active across the nation & it's affecting lives in the forms of personal and collective protests. You can't confine Kaepernick to a magazine article or a few photographs, what he did and continues to do lives in the marrow of today's Black Struggle for Progress.
I agree with some, and also disagree.
It's sad how we begged cacs to enforce their bullshit drug laws. Always seem like we 2 steps behind. Like folks didn't even question why the laws were in place to begin with. As always, failed leadership.
Jim Crow 2 is real. Not as blatant as Jim Crow, but doing damage nonetheless. The original Jim Crow was so much more overt. I came up in grade school during the 80s in Ohio, and I remember physical racist attacks weren't uncommon. These days, they are basically unheard of in Ohio unless committed by pigs. Jim Crow 2 is basically the "war on drugs' and 'war on poverty' meeting together to produce covert bullshit that still affects the black community.
The timing of it speaks for itself. The 'wars' happened right at the same time as the Civil Rights movement.
Oh so that's where you're going too huh? Lol
Forget what it sounds like, what part of it do you disagree with?
Do you not remember C Delores Tucker? Reverend Calvin butts?
If is very true that the elder conservative Blacks played a part.
http://www.wnyc.org/story/312823-bl...ned-strict-drug-laws-they-now-seek-dismantle/
I grew up a public enemy fan. I despised drug dealers too. Self destruction. Alll that.
Im.open to hear what you have to say about voter suppression. All I know is that convicts can't vote I think, but Id love to hear more. Do you have a problem voting? I never have.
Well I grew up in Georgia and I shit you not, the only racial fights I remember were at the Battle of the bands one year when Black people beat the shit out of white people. It started with a racial fight. Maybe someone was called a nigga I dunno but there' weren't enough of them. Even the "cool" white boy at our school caught it lol.
And another one when we left the movie "do the right thing". I might have been gotten involved in that one lol. Just random CAC ass kickin. It was wrong but I didn't know better then. I'm glad we didn't get caught.
But I also saw the Klan.handing out stuff and hozea Williams getting beat on on the news when they went to get housing in Forsythe county- which was what hazard county from dukes of hazard was based on- and is now predominately Black. So I'm not clueless to it.
But I think calling shit Jim Crow is silly. Make up a new name. Stop pretending you live under what they lived under. It's not the same.
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I'm not attempting to ignore anything. You're attempting to relive it instead of living in your own time. And I only made that assertion because you feel it's appropriate to do it to me instead of just making your point. I'm very clear about what I think. Yelling at white people aint finna do shit. Of course you have the right to do it, Colin has the right to do it , but I Dont agree with it. Oh well. You all are gonna learn that there's not one way to think and be Black. The only thing I dont tolerate is the intoleration of ideas that may not be like yours. I don't think that's healthY at all.
I can't believe I'm really letting you sucker me into this shit with more replies.
Did you pay attention to any of the voter ID stuff the past few years after the Supreme Court stuck down parts of the voting rights act? Places like NC and AL?
I'm not going into great detail, there should be threads around here, and you can google it.
AL basically required new ID to vote. Then they closed down the BMV/DMVs in predominately black areas so people, most often poor or relying on public transportation couldn't get the id with out driving several hours.
Then they were only open odd hours, often the posted hours were wrong. Often people were told they were told what they needed for ID was not acceptable and they had to do return trips, and they had long lines to begin with.
TX was trying to stop college kids from voting, so they changed what they considered acceptable ID, couldn't use the college ID, but people could use gun licenses as ID to vote.
NC did a study to find out how and when black folks vote, and targeted everything from early voting to Souls to the polls. When a court struck down their changes and said they had to keep early voting, they went from 16-20 polling places to 1 or 2. People were waiting 4+ hours in a line down the block and around the corner to vote. Now elderly people, people who have to work, people with illnesses can't always do that.
Many places lied to people and straight told them they couldn't get an ID for various reasons. Often they needed to pay to get stuff documents to be able to get the voter IDs. Elderly people who had voted for years were not able to vote. There was one town that sent the police to the doors of black voters to verify their registration. And you had random protect the vote organizations challenging people in dem areas managing to get them removed from voter rolls.
The fuckery engaged to try to stop black folks from voting was off the charts, and yet we had kneegrows around here encouraging black folks not to vote.
"Yelling at white people"? Who is yelling at white people? & why are protecting the feelings of white people?
ohhhhhhhhh....I see where this is going now, you want to protect white people; that's why you feel the way that you do. You should have said that from the beginning "WorldBFree, I'm only speaking out to protect white people and their feelings" and then I would have understood immediately.
Now I know, thanks.
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You mentioned a lot of places , and I won't bother talking about each one , you tend to list a bunch of stuff and when I talk about each point you won't acknowledge what you agree with and don't. I assume since you didn't ring up any of the other points then the others aren't new Jim Crow and that's left is some.funmy voting issues inna few states. Alll of them are different issues and I'll just say that I or my family, extended family, or friends weren't affected by any of it as far as I know. I had a bigger problem with people who just didn't vote.
Much of that stuff is headlines. If you peel back a layer, its usually not as scary as the headline. But I'll assume all that's true. That's still not Jim Crow. Those are issues that people on the respective states can deal with. Do you live in any of those places? cuz in my city and my neighborhood, I deal with it. I get people to polls. That's all I can do from Atlanta and I hope others do the same.
Lol what else are you doing? What is the point of doing this at the game and then wondering why "theyre changing the narrative" ? Why is that every time you get a white pundit on TV that says he supports Kaep you're all happy? Eminem raps about it you jump for joy? Magazine cover? Oh my god, they do love us!! Kaep dont got a job? Cool, fuck em. Yet EVERY WEEK, If some.QB gets hurt there's discussion. About how he can fill the position.
That's you. Not me. I'm not protecting white people, i don't give a fuck about them and don't need them to "understand". i don't even watch football and I crack up watching yall fake protest, but somehow know every teams record still lol. Foh
Oooooooh I see too now!! You need white people to fix it for you. You should've said it in the beginning "EK, if white people don't validate me, I don't know what we is gone do!" I wouldve understood. See how easy that is? Just make up a position.
I've never had a problem voting. I've had a drivers license since I was 16. But what makes you think our experience is applicable to everyone else? All except for about 6 months or so I've had a car since I was 16. There are other people who don't drive, can't drive etc. People displaced because of natural disasters who can't prove who they are. Older people born at home or outside a hospital who don't have a birth certificate.
I've never had a problem with a police officer when I get speeding tickets, either. One time in the middle of VA going 15+ miles over the speed limit, he could have impounded my car for reckless driving, but let me off with a warning, not even a ticket. Does that invalidate the experience of all the black people getting their ass beat and shot at routine traffic stops? Since when are my experiences going to be the only barometer of what happens in the world? You sound like white folks who think police brutality doesn't exist because THEY can mouth off at, run from and attack police officers and live to tell about it. Yeah you and I don't have a problem getting the necessary ID to vote, but that doesn't mean that is the same for everyone else. Heck in AL, they had a rash of people driving with expired licenses because they were so far away from where they could get ID at those odd hours.
Nah, I guess you missed the part where I said ok lets call it all true. That still aint jim crow.
But let's get to where we agree. It aint good when kneegrows be out here convincing others not to vote.
But guess who was using his platform to.say that very thing ?
Mr citizen of the year
So look, I know people do contradictory things. I do too.
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