TrojansFan said:
Are you really saying you would take Vince Carter (who plays no defense nor makes players around him any better) and Michael Redd (who plays no defense nor makes players around him any better) over Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant and Paul Pierce (who is listed as SG)??? Come on now?
xfactor said:
The players you named all play SG yes but the determining factor I used in choosing my list was what position that player was listed in the STARTING LINEUP and that would discount players such as LeBron James, (Ronald Murray) Paul Pierce, (Wally Szcerbiak) and T-Whack(David Wesley) from the list.
Why are you asking questions about the criteria when I already stated the main criteria before I even posted my list?
But to answer your question... Would I take VC or Michael Redd over Wobe or T-Whack? Yes. That is why I made the list. I considered all factors about their games and impacts on the game before making my decision.
TrojansFan said:
Please explain to me the qualities in their game that you feel make them better SGs than Kobe, Tracy, or Paul. If you really think Joe Johnson belongs there, I can see an argument for that, but I just don't see any logical way to place Carter and Redd on that list. Do you have justification or are you just hating???
Paul Pierce IMO is one of the more underrated players out of the group named. I dont get to see Boston games much because I'm not in the Northeast so I can only comment on what I've seen (which is limited) and I would take Pierce over Wobe anyday of the week. I would also take him over McGrady.
As far as Carter... I lost respect for him when he tanked that half a season in Toronto so he could get traded but the guy's talent and athleticism is what puts him in the upper echelon of NBA SGs. Michael Redd's ability to shoot the ball with accuracy off the dribble, off screens, and his quick release are what make me admire his game. He is the prototypical shooting guard.
McGrady is more of a small forward than shooting guard but he is a good all around player. He can score, drive and dish, but he doesnt elevate his teammates to a higher level (something almost all players that came out of high school cant do). If you want to group him in the SG category, I would place him over Wobe as well.
What's funny to me is that you claim Wobe is the best SG in the league (and possibly the history of the game behind Jordan) yet the same things you said about VC, Redd, etc... (doesnt play D, doesnt make his teammates better) are two of the MAIN characteristics of Bryant's game. Just because the guy will get steals because he doesnt man-up on D and tries to freelance by sticking in passing lanes does not make him a good defender. That
is not good D because its a bad gamble and almost always handicaps his teammates.
And the second part about making teammates better... If anything, Bryant makes his teammates worse. Did you not see how he lead the the lakers to a 34-48 with the exact same core that a then ROOKIE Dwyane Wade lead to the Eastern Conference Semifinals?
Wobe has talent no doubt. He can get to the rack, he has great range on his jumper, and he's a good FT shooter. That's about it. His lack of intelligent play is so great that he doesnt even deserve to be on the court more than 30 minutes a game. If it werent for the media hype, he'd be a 6th man or he'd have to play second fiddle to another player (where he is much more effective because he cant lead a team)
Another thing you said was that nobody complained about Wobe's shot selection and selfishness during the time they won championships? Well I dont know where you were but I know plenty of people that did. And you said you know of NBA players saying he is the best player in the NBA? Their name wouldnt happen to be Kobe Bryant would it?