chartable
youtube view numbers lie.... adwords , new ep autoplay on landing pages, bots etc
and then... extremely low engagement metrics on Youtube
+/-200k avg on Spotify & iTunes would chart the show higher (all pods) than it has been performing
Joe Budden podcast done? No Rory or Mal for 2nd straight episode
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chartable
youtube view numbers lie.... adwords , new ep autoplay on landing pages, bots etc
and then... extremely low engagement metrics on Youtube
+/-200k avg on Spotify & iTunes would chart the show higher (all pods) than it has been performing
chartable
youtube view numbers lie.... adwords , new ep autoplay on landing pages, bots etc
and then... extremely low engagement metrics on Youtube
+/-200k avg on Spotify & iTunes would chart the show higher (all pods) than it has been performing
So how in the hell can anyone prove that a podcast and a opposite?
engagement numbers...
When JBP and Rogan numbers were recently discussed the key metric was avg time listened
iirc both were around 80% listened to entire show...
then its total viewers / listeners...
iirc JBP Spotify exclusive was 1.1 -1.5 million per
now across all platforms <2 million per
Rogan Spotify exclusive +11 million per
I just unsubscribed to Rory and Mal’s pod. There’s nothing of substance there to me.
Also Mal says ignorant shit a lot.
Joe’s pod is cool still.
Also Mal says ignorant shit a lot.
Joe’s pod is cool still.
The only reason anyone knows who rory or mal are is joe, the only reason people listen to their shit now is beef with Joe, the only reason mal isn't smuggling tide pods and couch surfing right now...Joe. If they stopped talking about joe they immediately fall off...
They should send Joe a cut from their new show with an apology and thank you for making them relevant.
They should send Joe a cut from their new show with an apology and thank you for making them relevant.
Im going off youtube numbers. So are you saying Spotify offered Rogan that deal off of how long folks listened, and not off of the number of views and subscribers? A lot of his youtube views were in the millions and subscribers
its both
if only had subs and views but low engagement -much lower $
Rogan does 2 to 4 hours and avg 80% of his audience consumes it all
that engagement is how Spotify sells adds, high play count isn't enough
Youtube too... a lot of high sub/ view channels barely getting $
The funny thing is Joe was actually right to say fuck you to Spotify. He was getting lowballed, and it was a disrespect to the black audience and black dollar.
They now say that Rogan got much more than $100 million
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are the metrics your defining the "numbers" Joe and company at the time accused Spotify of withholding?
Interesting takes in here regarding the Mal vs Joe situation.
But playing devils advocate:
Mal is still in a place of hurt, and he needs to let it go. Him and Rory came up, and are doing okay for now.
Just move on and live your life, and no need to address the situation again.
But playing devils advocate:
- Me n my man's have a handshake deal to get a percentage of all monies coming in.
- This is my man, so even though I'm told it's a shitty deal, I'm fine with it. And it seems even with it being a shitty deal they were seeing good $$$ according to them.
- But when they sense funny shit and ask for accounting, and it's not forthcoming, they (Mal and Rory) get fired.
Mal is still in a place of hurt, and he needs to let it go. Him and Rory came up, and are doing okay for now.
Just move on and live your life, and no need to address the situation again.
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I think we would all agree that is completely reasonable take.
I made a similar one early days and despite new information slightly to the contrary I still endorse it.
mal played himself followed the cac who was depressed and trying to put fake hits out on people
now that he somewhat healed himself he sees the error of his ways its too late.
Like I keep saying
I don't think it has to be one way
All those things can be completely true at the same time
I just wish there is a space where Mal and Joe can make peace.
And this is a learning opportunity for everyone
No need to take sides cause everyone hands are dirty.
Mal has to understand as much as his EMOTIONS are genuine and even to a point understandable...
He HAS to take personal responsibility
EVERYTHING Is not Joe's fault.
And Joe is not innocent
But Mal is a damn adult no one forced him
He went in eyes open
And he knew better than anyone how Joe gets down, his track record is well documented
Mal needs to put on his big boy pants.
Realize if the tide pod bursts it ain't always Tide fault. Sometimes you gotta read the storage instructions.
For example hypothetical... Listen Bills and Vicious and 4D are not ever gonna hurt me. I KNOW that. Contract no contract. Those my brothers. We can't do business if I have absolutely no trust in you whatsoever.
But that doesn't mean i don't read the paperwork.
It's not about trust.
It's just completely irresponsible not too.
Period.
Mal didn't even give Joe the opportunity to fix the contract or say no.
Whose fault is that?
But that doesn't mean i don't read the paperwork.
It's not about trust.
It's just completely irresponsible not too.
Period.
Mal didn't even give Joe the opportunity to fix the contract or say no.
Whose fault is that?
how if mal was trying to destroy joe? at least roury was somewhat reasonable
i still want to find out what joe did wrong? communications?
aight say that when mofo dropp 20 mill on yall.
aight say that when mofo dropp 20 mill on yall.
Bro I will tell you this much
Even if that would ever happen?
Ya ll would never know.
And I would never tell no tales outside
We gonna deal with that man to man
Stop it even Joe apologized
But see you a Firestarter by nature
I was listening to Joe since it was just Rory, I remember Joe on ok player.
This is messy cause it's real
Money emotion friendship is never ever cut and dry.
I just want those brothers to find a place of peace one day.
mal is accusing him of stealing did joe ever apologized for that?
im seriously asking cause im following this podcast on and off so i miss a lot of shit.
also are u disagreeing with me that mal is trying to destroy joe?
u want them to get back peace when one is trying to destroy the others business?
til dis day i get it back then but he still on that shit. i have not seen joe talk shit about mal recently.
playa sometimes u too good hearted bro
Mal n Rory shit is mid as fuck, kept tryna to get into and it’s just not for me. I actually love Joe’s more now that Ish is there kickin knowledge and game opposed to the usual joking around. Even tho the pod has took a serious tone they still keep it funny
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I cannot argue against any of this.
They got fired because they didn't show up and didn't tell Joe they weren't coming, so he was sitting around waiting for them.
In essence they went on strike without telling Joe.
The problem at first was with Rory and Joe, and Mal didn't show up because he felt they should do a pod at all until everything was squashed. He did that by not showing up. Parks and Joe were waiting around to pod, and that's when the rant came.
He didn't apologize, he said he didn't steal anything. He said they got paid more than they should have, because he was paying them more after the Spotify deal than they made during it.
I don't think Mal is trying to destroy Joe. There's animosity from him, because Joe embarrassed him to millions. Did you hear his rant saying he was practically homeless and he was staying with Joe and was hiding detergent in his room.
Plus I don't think Mal has anything else to talk about other than Joe and his brothers/Rocafella.
right so im not trippin i was like when he apologized?
yeah but that was my point around that time it was cool cause the beef was on.
but dude keeps on talking basically saying dont work with joe. trying to f his business up.
cause he still painting joe as a scumbag thief. whether its animosity to me it has the same effect.
Bro I ever lie to you?
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that was about the way he fired rory.Bro I ever lie to you?
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iam talking about him stealing money
listen from the 6min he never apologized about the accusation they made
he says it around the 9 min mark that basically was the reason
thats why when u said u hope from them to be cool but they are still accusing him of the same shit
that pissed him off
I highly doubt Joe stole money from them. Shitty contract, maybe. But to call the owner and creator of something you work for a thief is crazy, and even crazier that u run around believing it. That’s like u gettin fronted some work and you mad at your cut after pay the plug and u expect a partner split lol. Nigga u a worker. And Mal allegedly bein a street nigga should know that. How could i steal if I’m the one financing every thing.
I think they will peace it up eventually..i dont think they will do a podcast again (maybe as a guest or something) but i think they will get to a different space...i don't know what all Joe has been through, but the fact that I went several months thinking this entire thing was fake, i'm not sure what to think about joe,
It seems, from the outside looking in, no one knows what to think about joe...
what's crazy is Joe has been trying to get them to branch out and do there own shows, but that required too much work, they rather just show up to the jbp and talk
and Mal dumb as once said he didn't need no contract, becuz if the business aint rt he would just leave. But for them to think they actually owned the show is just dumb.
Another death blow I cannot argue against
Why did it take all that sh*t and anger and betrayal to go down for them to do what apparently Joe was begging them to do from jump?
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Man look, you wouldn't in a million years think one of your main homes, went to jail together, had your back in real street shit, know all the secrets n lies all that would ever shit on you the way Joe did. People say business and friendship don't mix, it's not true. Doing bad business and friendship don't mix. So you think just cuz you're paying me a certain amount of bread you shouldn't pay me what I'm rightfully owed? If I get a percentage of the funds and you're not giving me the correct numbers so I know my percentage is true, and black out when I ask for accounting which is in the contract, and then there's a 400k "mistake" in what I do get, I'm not supposed to feel a way? Especially knowing the foulness that you went thru in the music business and you go shady on me? Nah, how can you peace that up? That trust is lost. We can't be friends if I can't trust you. I've gotten money with my friends I couldn't imagine trying to snake them. Joe has a lot of foul ways. Thing is he doesn't care. It's like his friendships are one way.
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