Joe Biden is now POTUS

[Joe Money]

i didn't say I don't look at data I said I don't care to talk about it... at the end of the day we all have to make a choice and that choice is based on past events and issues and how they were dealt with BUT its also based on the likelihood of possibilities of getting those things changed. I said this before in another thread



I'll post it here so you can take a shot at it?

BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN...IN YOUR ESTIMATION WHICH PARTY IS LIKELIER TO ADVANCE THE CAUSE OF REPARATIONS FOR ADOS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE?

BETWEEN LEFT WING AND RIGHTWING... IN YOUR ESTIMATION WHICH SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM IS LIKELIER TO ADVANCE THE CAUSE OF REPARATIONS FOR ADOS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE?

HOW DOES NOT VOTING FOR THE TOP OF THE TICKET INFLUENCE OR ADVANCE THE CAUSE OF REPARATIONS?

WHAT'S YOUR HONEST ESTIMATION AND TIMELINE FOR GETTING REPARATIONS DONE?? HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WILL TAKE

now we've already seen what not voting at the top of the ballot has done
and instead of reparations you can place in any number of other issues you want.

You “don’t care to talk about” any relevant social or economic data?!?! So if you “don’t care” to talk about it, then how do you expect to have an accurate understanding of it? You’re just gonna “eyeball” it or something? How would you talk about an issue like unemployment if you don’t know what the unemployment numbers are?

If someone were to ask you “is Black America better off in 2021 than it was in 1990”, how would you be able to answer that question without looking at any data points?

HOW DO YOU GAUGE PROGRESS? HOW DO YOU KNOW IF A POLICY WORKS OR NOT?

 

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[geechiedan]

You “don’t care to talk about” any relevant social or economic data?!?! So if you “don’t care” to talk about it, then how do you expect to have an accurate understanding of it? You’re just gonna “eyeball” it or something? How would you talk about an issue like unemployment if you don’t know what the unemployment numbers are?

If someone were to ask you “is Black America better off in 2021 than it was in 1990”, how would you be able to answer that question without looking at any data points?

HOW DO YOU GAUGE PROGRESS? HOW DO YOU KNOW IF A POLICY WORKS OR NOT?

I'm not obligated to have to explain how I determine who I vote for anymore than Eddie g has to explain why he's not doing blank out anymore..you just need to deal with it..like you deal with it with him. at then end of the day you just need to do what ados says and vote democratic down ballot at the midterms then take a lesson from your boy Eddie and vote for Biden Harris come 2024.

You know you're going to anyway...what choice do you have

 

[Tito_Jackson]

Whats funny about your post is that you are arguing a point no one has made. Not in this thread and not even in Washington.

Actually, there has been quite a bit of push back against this. Mentioning this position constitutes being a republican or a coon according to BGOL.

 

[AllUniverse17]

Actually, there has been quite a bit of push back against this. Mentioning this position constitutes being a republican or a coon according to BGOL.

No one called this a temporary fix and no one said this changes our socioeconomic standing.

You've talked alot about being open to voting republican.

How do you feel about them deciding to suppress the black vote instead of earning the black vote?

 

[Tito_Jackson]

No one called this a temporary fix and no one said this changes our socioeconomic standing.

There is a tweet from Bakari that says this very thing, coupled with the temporary tax rebates. This is when I made an initial comment.

You've talked a lot about being open to voting republican.

I'm open to voting for any person who will improve the plight of black folk and my family.

How do you feel about them deciding to suppress the black vote instead of earning the black vote?

It's a situation that the political system has created.

We have gotten to the point where republicans earning the black vote as a whole is impossible. Black folk will vote for a bad democrat before they vote for a good republican. Democrats no longer have to work for black votes. This is a fact. Just having the label of republican prevents black folk from even considering the candidate. In the political landscape, voter suppression is a tactic that both parties have engaged in. I get it, but I do not agree with it. Voting is a zero sum game.

I think it is BS. Preventing a person from exercising their constitutional right to vote is anti-American.

 

[Joe Money]

I'm not obligated to have to explain how I determine who I vote for anymore than Eddie g has to explain why he's not doing blank out anymore..you just need to deal with it..like you deal with it with him. at then end of the day you just need to do what ados says and vote democratic down ballot at the midterms then take a lesson from your boy Eddie and vote for Biden Harris come 2024.

You know you're going to anyway...what choice do you have

As I’ve said many times, I support policy positions, not people. But this is beyond voting. How do you make an assessment of the socio-economic landscape if you do not look at any statistical information? How do you gauge whether a policy works or not?

 

[Joe Money]

There is a tweet from Bakari that says this very thing, coupled with the temporary tax rebates. This is when I made an initial comment.


I'm open to voting for any person who will improve the plight of black folk and my family.

It's a situation that the political system has created.

We have gotten to the point where republicans earning the black vote as a whole is impossible. Black folk will vote for a bad democrat before they vote for a good republican. Democrats no longer have to work for black votes. This is a fact. Just having the label of republican prevents black folk from even considering the candidate. In the political landscape, voter suppression is a tactic that both parties have engaged in. I get it, but I do not agree with it. Voting is a zero sum game.

I think it is BS. Preventing a person from exercising their constitutional right to vote is anti-American.

This tweet:

 

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[AllUniverse17]

It's a situation that the political system has created.

We have gotten to the point where republicans earning the black vote as a whole is impossible. Black folk will vote for a bad democrat before they vote for a good republican. Democrats no longer have to work for black votes. This is a fact. Just having the label of republican prevents black folk from even considering the candidate. In the political landscape, voter suppression is a tactic that both parties have engaged in. I get it, but I do not agree with it. Voting is a zero sum game.

I think it is BS. Preventing a person from exercising their constitutional right to vote is anti-American.

So its our fault huh?

Republicans have never tried to get our vote. The political landscape you talk about, they created it. Its not "the political system", its them.

However, you call them turning the tide "impossible". Its impossible because it would be long and hard? No its not impossible. If they reached out to black peeps, we would listen, but you clearly think so little of us that you cant admit that.

When presented by fuckery from republicans, all you did was blame us. You have no problem blaming democrats when its due though. Can you just explain why?

 

[Tito_Jackson]

This tweet:

Yes, 6 months of $500 credits ($3000) will not put any kind of dent in generational poverty. This is a misleading statement that grossly ignores the underlying causes of generational poverty.

 

[AllUniverse17]

This tweet:

Are you guys having trouble reading a whole tweet?

He specifically wrote "until the end of the year".

In other words... It is temporary.

Like I said... No one is making the argument that this was a permanent fix.

 

[Supersav]

Yes, 6 months of $500 credits ($3000) will not put any kind of dent in generational poverty. This is a misleading statement that grossly ignores the underlying causes of generational poverty.

It's based on designations of the poverty like based off income. Cleverly worded propaganda by the Dems. Cut child poverty in half lmao

 

[Tito_Jackson]

However, you call them turning the tide "impossible". Its impossible because it would be long and hard? No its not impossible. If they reached out to black peeps, we would listen, but you clearly think so little of us that you cant admit that.

No, we wouldn't. I actually think very highly of my people. This is why I am so disappointed in how we can be so beholden to one party. We have proven this by prior precedents.

When I presented by fuckery from republicans, all you did was blame us. You have no problem blaming democrats when its due though. Can you just explain why?

I clearly stated the voter suppression is bs. However, I included that voter suppression as well as gerrymandering is not exclusive to Republicans.

So its our fault huh?

We do bare some of the blame.

Republicans have never tried to get our vote. The political landscape you talk about, they created it. Its not "the political system", its them.

Actually, some republicans have. However, black folk have made it clear that nothing will sway our vote. Nothing. Not even blackface or KKK attire.

The political system was not created by one party. Both parties are responsible for this chaos.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

There is a tweet from Bakari that says this very thing, coupled with the temporary tax rebates. This is when I made an initial comment.


I'm open to voting for any person who will improve the plight of black folk and my family.

It's a situation that the political system has created.

We have gotten to the point where republicans earning the black vote as a whole is impossible. Black folk will vote for a bad democrat before they vote for a good republican. Democrats no longer have to work for black votes. This is a fact. Just having the label of republican prevents black folk from even considering the candidate. In the political landscape, voter suppression is a tactic that both parties have engaged in. I get it, but I do not agree with it. Voting is a zero sum game.

I think it is BS. Preventing a person from exercising their constitutional right to vote is anti-American.

While you generalized all that, liberal Maryland voted for a two-term Republican governor. I can honestly say he has been a descent Governor. He definitely got props from me, when he was the rare republican that would call out Trump's bullshit.

 

[geechiedan]

As I’ve said many times, I support policy positions, not people. But this is beyond voting. How do you make an assessment of the socio-economic landscape if you do not look at any statistical information? How do you gauge whether a policy works or not?

first show me where i said i don't look at any stats info?? post the statement?

 

[Tito_Jackson]

Are you guys having trouble reading a whole tweet?

He specifically wrote, "until the end of the year".

In other words... It is temporary.

Like I said... No one is making the argument that this was a permanent fix.

My brother, he didn't say

1st time in history we are setting out to TEMPORARILY put a real dent in generational poverty.

He started this as a meaningful "dent" or permanent change or improvement.

This is false.

 

[Supersav]

https://www.tampabay.com/news/natio...rty-by-half-what-you-need-to-know-politifact/

 

[Supersav]

The poverty level used by the analysis is an annual income of $28,000 for a two-parent, two-child family in an average-cost city.



Why does Biden think it will cut child poverty in half?
The White House did not respond to an inquiry, but the primary evidence usually cited by backers is an analysis by Columbia University’s Center on Poverty and Social Policy published Jan. 14.

According to the analysis, Biden’s proposal would cut the overall poverty rate to 9 percent from 12.6 percent, and by larger amounts for some subgroups. For children, the poverty rate would fall to 6.6 percent from 13.4 percent, which is where the “cut by half” language comes from. For Black families, it would fall to 13.3 percent from 20.3 percent. Hispanic families would see the largest decline of all, from 18.9 percent to 11.4 percent.

 

[Supersav]

So if you live in a high cost city like NYC or LA than it doesn't cut ha poverty in half lol

 

[AllUniverse17]

My brother, he didn't say

1st time in history we are setting out to TEMPORARILY put a real dent in generational poverty.

He started this as a meaningful "dent" or permanent change or improvement.

This is false.

If you dont know what "until the end of the year" means then i dont know what to tell you.

You are purposefully reading his tweet wrong just so you could have something to complain about.

If he was a republican you would be perfectly cool with it.

 

[AllUniverse17]

No, we wouldn't. I actually think very highly of my people. This is why I am so disappointed in how we can be so beholden to one party. We have proven this by prior precedents.

I clearly stated the voter suppression is bs. However, I included that voter suppression as well as gerrymandering is not exclusive to Republicans.

We do bare some of the blame.

Actually, some republicans have. However, black folk have made it clear that nothing will sway our vote. Nothing. Not even blackface or KKK attire.

The political system was not created by one party. Both parties are responsible for this chaos.

Its our fault.

Gotcha.

I have way more proof of republicans not wanting our vote then you have proof of us not being open to them, but ok, its our fault. As always.

You make the exact same talking points as openly racist, Confederate flag waving fucks do on the issue, just FYI. Yeah i know, just cause they are racist doesnt mean they are wrong on race issues right?

Republicans dont want your vote. If they did they would have tried to get it. Not one here and one there, Team Republican would have tried to get it.

 

[Joe Money]

first show me where i said i don't look at any stats info?? post the statement?

Excuse me. You "don't care to talk" about it.

I don't care to talk about the data because that's the past and elections are about the future......

i didn't say I don't look at data I said I don't care to talk about it.....

But when asked how you can accurately assess a socioeconomic situation and accurately gauge the efficacy of a policy, you go mute or play dumb.

So I will ask again. How do you gauge unemployment, poverty, incarceration, student debt, or any other pertinent issue if you "don't care to talk" about the empirical data behind it?

 

[Tito_Jackson]

So if you live in a high cost city like NYC or LA than it doesn't cut ha poverty in half lol

More importantly, the poverty line is not stagnant. It's variable and is adjusted based upon the economy.

 

[geechiedan]

Excuse me. You "don't care to talk" about it.




But when asked how you can accurately assess a socioeconomic situation and accurately gauge the efficacy of a policy, you go mute or play dumb.

So I will ask again. How do you gauge unemployment, poverty, incarceration, student debt, or any other pertinent issue if you "don't care to talk" about the empirical data behind it?

Asked and answered... becuz you don't like my response doesn't mean I have to change it. my process for determining anything is my business..you don't approve... oh well

But we do know this...and its not disputed..ADOS org votes democratic and your boy eddie g voted for joe biden..so we ALL agree on that. prove me wrong.

 

[Tito_Jackson]

Its our fault.

Gotcha.

I have way more proof of republicans not wanting our vote then you have proof of us not being open to them, but ok, its our fault. As always.

You make the exact same talking points as openly racist, Confederate flag waving fucks do on the issue, just FYI. Yeah i know, just cause they are racist doesnt mean they are wrong on race issues right?

Republicans dont want your vote. If they did they would have tried to get it. Not one here and one there, Team Republican would have tried to get it.

Cmon bro. Please do not change or make up dialect to support your position.

I clearly said we bare some of the responsibility. We are not children. We are not being held with a gun to our heads being forced to act as we are.

For you or anyone to deny that SOME of the ills of the black community are because of the black community is disingenuous.

 

[Tito_Jackson]

Its our fault.

Gotcha.

I have way more proof of republicans not wanting our vote then you have proof of us not being open to them, but ok, its our fault. As always.

You make the exact same talking points as openly racist, Confederate flag waving fucks do on the issue, just FYI. Yeah i know, just cause they are racist doesnt mean they are wrong on race issues right?

Republicans dont want your vote. If they did they would have tried to get it. Not one here and one there, Team Republican would have tried to get it.

This is also false. They want our vote. We just won't even consider it.

For example:

 

[Supersav]

This is also false. They want our vote. We just won't even consider it.

For example:

But on the other side Dems dont even have to work for our vote

 

[HeathCliff]

Asked and answered... becuz you don't like my response doesn't mean I have to change it. my process for determining anything is my business..you don't approve... oh well

But we do know this...and its not disputed..ADOS org votes democratic and your boy eddie g voted for joe biden..so we ALL agree on that. prove me wrong.

Who was Gaude’s candidate in 2016?

 

[geechiedan]

Who was Gaude’s candidate in 2016?

no one..he left it blank.. the thing is.. blank out or voting down ballot WAS done...just not by black people...blacks voted for hillary at 80%...white women blanked out on hillary electorally. Many didn't vote for her either because they didn't like her politics or her personally. In any case all that resulted was trump lost the popular vote but won it electorally and shit went sideways from then on... By 2020 gaude saw that trumps presidency was a train wreck but he was getting more popular and very well may get reelected...blank out wasn't an option then. So he did what we all did...hold his nose and vote for biden and figure it was better to fight it out that way... thats why both biden and trump got the most votes in history of voting in this country..81 mil for biden 74 mil for trump..everybody was pulling out the fucking stops this time...

this is what happens when you have to make real time decisions based on the choices in front of you. Thats what some people here don't get...

 

[AllUniverse17]

Cmon bro. Please do not change or make up dialect to support your position.

I clearly said we bare some of the responsibility. We are not children. We are not being held with a gun to our heads being forced to act as we are.

For you or anyone to deny that SOME of the ills of the black community are because of the black community is disingenuous.

Im not talking about the ills of the black community, Im talking about our relationship with the republican party.

You know, the party that doesnt try to gain our votes and is actively trying to suppress our votes at the same time?

Does Kim (not sure how to write her last name) have enough juice within her party to get them to back off voter suppression?

Oh ok so I guess Team Republican (i keep telling you, its about Team Republican) will keep trying to screw us over.

 

[AllUniverse17]

This is also false. They want our vote. We just won't even consider it.

For example:

You realize I specifically wrote the following in the post you quoted:

Republicans dont want your vote. If they did they would have tried to get it. Not one here and one there, Team Republican would have tried to get it.

But you still went ahead and posted ONE candidate.

 

[Joe Money]

Asked and answered... becuz you don't like my response doesn't mean I have to change it. my process for determining anything is my business..you don't approve... oh well

I don't like your response? You didn't respond!! Let's look at a something you used to regularly post - Biden's "Lift Every Voice" Plan for Black America: https://joebiden.com/blackamerica/

It contains STATISTICAL INFORMATION that Biden claims his plan will rectify, such as:

• Approximately 4% of small business owners are African American, even though African Americans make up approximately 13% of the population. To build wealth in African American communities, we must invest in the success of African American businesses and entrepreneurs.
  
  
• The Obama-Biden Administration created the State Small Business Credit Initiative (SSBCI) to support small businesses, driving $10 billion in new lending for each $1 billion in SSBCI funds. Biden will extend the program through 2025 and double its federal funding to $3 billion, driving close to $30 billion of private sector investments to small businesses all told, especially those owned by women and people of color.
  
  
• The gap between African American and white homeownership is larger today than when the Fair Housing Act was passed in 1968. This has contributed to a jaw-dropping racial wealth gap—nearly 1,000%—between median white and African American households. Because home ownership is how most families save and build wealth, the disparity in home ownership is a central driver of the racial wealth gap. As President, Biden will invest $640 billion over 10 years so every American has access to housing that is affordable, stable, safe and healthy, accessible, energy efficient and resilient, and located near good schools and with a reasonable commute to their jobs.

Now, I won't get into the semantics and language being used, since we all know how problematic it is (ahem...minority...ahem). But it incorporates empirical data that can be measured, just as the "child poverty cut in half" claim does.

So, if you do not look at the current state of affairs based on the stats, and then look at the state after the policies have been implemented, then how in the world do you determine if a policy was effective or not????

 

[BDR]

Who moved the thread? Smh

 

[Joe Money]

Who moved the thread? Smh

This is technically where it belongs It's past the "sticky" stage at this point.