Joe Biden is now POTUS

BKF

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If so you should be used to that obama,biden,clinton..isn't that what you're used to?

Hotep to you ahki. Keep your fuck black people movement going.

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AllUniverse17

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It's a discussion forum. You guys just want everyone to agree with you lol. It's not about implementation. That isn't my job. My view is the the system is shit and I refuse to participate in a shitty system. That's my choice. You guys believe in the system and are obviously entrenched in it. That's your choice. My concern is with out people and your way isn't and hasn't worked in the big picture. I guess you guys are gonna keep voting and maybe one day things will change.

The flaw in your argument is that you seem to believe that by not voting, you remove yourself from the system.

Thats just false.

You are still a citizen, your city still has a mayor, your state still has a governor, and your country still has a president. You wil have to follow their laws. So you are still part of the system.

Now all you've done is give other people more power into deciding who governs you.
 

geechiedan

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BGOL Investor
Education first and foremost. I teach black studies and investing. Don't want our children to grow up waiting on daddy biden and his comrades to save them. It's not the right way it's my way. It's what I can do to help my community and people who look like me. Group economics..wait for it...... socialism.


okay see this is what I'm talking about,...you want systemic overhaul (who doesn't) but how do you get that in nonviolent ways??

that tweet is just shit talking...you want systemic overhaul...grab a gun...make some pipebombs and prepare to take hostages then rush the capitol building and see how it works out.

you think I'm being sarcastic but I'm not...your first post STILL doesn't answer the question: YOU SAID: The laws of this country have never been for us. You really think your making a difference when you vote for this clowns? They change the laws whenever they want to fit what they want. Do you know your history? This country moves on the self interest of the elite. Laws are there to serve those interests.

NOTHING you posted so far changes ANY of that..you can talk socialism and group economics all day..unless youre going to use that to build a LOBBY that can then influence the POLITICIANS to change the LAWS to serve you then your NOT changing ANYTHING and youre NOT moving apart from anything. All you'll have is a system within a system...wanna know how that works ask the native americans (first nations) who are system thats supposed to be independent but in reality function within the federal govt system.
 

Supersav

Rising Star
BGOL Investor

She's right
The flaw in your argument is that you seem to believe that by not voting, you remove yourself from the system.

Thats just false.

You are still a citizen, your city still has a mayor, your state still has a governor, and your country still has a president. You wil have to follow their laws. So you are still part of the system.

Now all you've done is give other people more power into deciding who governs you.
Cool...their laws were never I'm my favor anyway. I don't see much of a difference
 

Darrkman

Hollis, Queens = Center of the Universe
BGOL Investor
You should do like I do and take Gene Cisco's advice and leave them alone and watch it play out. Just look at this shit here from Darkkman:

The "I hate the Dems" crowd has three things that enrages them cause it proves how ineffective and irrelevant that group really is.....
1. The 2018 Dem flipping of the House
2. The 2020 Biden /Harris landslide win.
3. The passing of the Covid relief bill.

Most of us have articulated over and over again our issues with the Democratic Party and its politicians. Yet, he (and geechie does this too) will post silly shit like the above and represent that as what we're saying, and then will argue against that rather than address anything we say or address the points we actually make. They're intellectually dishonest as hell. This is why I don't knock Taharqa for trolling them.
You're right..I'm gonna chill

The desperation of you two is fun to watch. I'm not gonna participate but the fact that y'all tag each other to come running.

Dance my puppets....dance.
 

Supersav

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
okay see this is what I'm talking about,...you want systemic overhaul (who doesn't) but how do you get that in nonviolent ways??

that tweet is just shit talking...you want systemic overhaul...grab a gun...make some pipebombs and prepare to take hostages then rush the capitol building and see how it works out.

you think I'm being sarcastic but I'm not...your first post STILL doesn't answer the question: YOU SAID: The laws of this country have never been for us. You really think your making a difference when you vote for this clowns? They change the laws whenever they want to fit what they want. Do you know your history? This country moves on the self interest of the elite. Laws are there to serve those interests.

NOTHING you posted so far changes ANY of that..you can talk socialism and group economics all day..unless youre going to use that to build a LOBBY that can then influence the POLITICIANS to change the LAWS to serve you then your NOT changing ANYTHING and youre NOT moving apart from anything. All you'll have is a system within a system...wanna know how that works ask the native americans (first nations) who are system thats supposed to be independent but in reality function within the federal govt system.
Your brain won't let u see anyway outside of the system whitey has given you. It's like your stuck and u must suck at masters tit or die
 

geechiedan

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
The flaw in your argument is that you seem to believe that by not voting, you remove yourself from the system.

Thats just false.

You are still a citizen, your city still has a mayor, your state still has a governor, and your country still has a president. You wil have to follow their laws. So you are still part of the system.

Now all you've done is give other people more power into deciding who governs you.
And this is why his and VAiz4hustlaz and KingTaharqa viewpoint is really naive at best. Then they resort to name-calling and insults when confronted with the reality of that. The group economics/socialism thing he talks about..thats not original or something that hasn't been tried. The Black Panthers did it and how did the black community respond to it? Ask your parents and grandparents or old heads in your neighborhood who lived thru that time what they thought of the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense back in the mid to late 60s and early 70s.
 

Supersav

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
And this is why his and VAiz4hustlaz and KingTaharqa viewpoint is really naive at best. Then they resort to name-calling and insults when confronted with the reality of that. The group economics/socialism thing he talks about..thats not original or something that hasn't been tried. The Black Panthers did it and how did the black community respond to it? Ask your parents and grandparents or old heads in your neighborhood who lived thru that time what they thought of the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense back in the mid to late 60s and early 70s.
I've never called u a name..I don't mind conversation. We disagree fine. I'm not even mad u wanna depend on whitey to save us. You'll see sooner or later...I'm out tho I've given y'all enough of my time
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
The desperation of you two is fun to watch. I'm not gonna participate but the fact that y'all tag each other to come running.

Dance my puppets....dance.

Funny how every outlet is talking about this issue but you...........

Closing the Racial Wealth Gap and the Case for Reparations

The latest webinar in NPQ’s Remaking the Economy series looks at the racial wealth gap, focusing on Black Americans. In 2017, a report titled The Road to Zero Wealth noted that at current trends, by mid-century the median wealth of a Black family in the US would fall below zero (i.e., more than half of all Black Americans would be in a net debtor position).
As the movement against anti-Black racism has gained support, so too has the movement for reparations. Reparations would provide formal acknowledgement of the tremendous costs, economic and otherwise, of slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, and other racist policies. But how would the mechanics of reparations work, and what does repair require?
Leading this discussion are our expert panelists:
  • William A. (“Sandy”) Darity and Kirsten Mullen are the husband-and-wife team that authored the award-winning book, From Here to Equality: Reparations for Black Americans in the Twenty-First Century, published by University of North Carolina Press in 2020.
  • Dedrick Asante-Muhammad is Chief of Race, Wealth, and Community for the National Community Reinvestment Coalition, an economic justice nonprofit advocacy group based in Washington, DC and was a coauthor of the 2017 Road to Zero Wealth
  • Gary Cunninghamis CEO of Prosperity Now, a national nonprofit based in Washington, DC, whose focus is on building a fair and just economy that is free from structural inequity and racism.
The moderator for this webinar is NPQ Economic Justice Program Director Steve Dubb. In this webinar, we begin with Sandy Darity and Kirsten Mullen outlining the case for reparations for Black Americans and highlighting key elements of their proposal. Dedrick Asante-Muhammad follows by emphasizing the nation’s and growing racial wealth gap. Gary Cunningham lifts up the importance of creating an economic system that fosters Black business ownership. From there, the panelists address a broad range of questions, including but not limited to those listed below:
  • What have we learned from past reparation efforts, such as German restitution for Holocaust survivors or US restitution to Japanese Americans forcibly held in concentration camps during World War II?
  • What does justice require? What would a comprehensive plan for reparations look like? How would reparations payments occur?
  • Do state and local efforts at reparations boost the movement for national reparations or detract from it?
  • How can the issue of reparations be framed strategically to build broad support? Do actions by the administration of Joe Biden that address racial equity provide an opening for these efforts?
  • What can be done in local communities to advance the movement for reparations?
  • Are current congressional approaches to reparations, such as US House Resolution 40, adequate? If not, what needs to be advanced in their place?
  • What role can nonprofits and philanthropy play in supporting policy and conversation around reparations and closing the racial wealth gap?
Resources
Scottie Andrew, “Reparations for slavery could have reduced Covid-19 transmission and deaths in the US, Harvard study says,” CNN, February 16, 2021.
Asset Building Policy Network, The Racial Wealth Gap, Washington, DC: Prosperity Now, September 2019.
Dedrick Asante-Muhammad, “The simplest way to close the racial wealth gap? Direct cash payments,” Guardian, July 12, 2020.
Dedrick Asante-Muhammad and Chuck Collins, “Why 21st-Century America needs to enact slavery reparations,” South Florida Sun Sentinel, July 8, 2019.
Chuck Collins, Darrick Hamilton, Dedrick Asante-Muhammad, and Josh Hoxie, Ten Solutions to Bridge the Racial Wealth Divide, Washington, DC: Institute for Policy Studies, April 2019.
Gary Cunningham, “Strengthening Our Identity: Rethinking the Path to Black Liberation,” NPQ, January 21, 2021.
William A. Darity Jr. and A. Kirsten Mullen, “The Flaws in the Reparations Bill,” Boston Globe, December 3, 2020
William A. Darity, Jr. and A. Kirsten Mullen, “Coronavirus Is Making the Case for Black Reparations Clearer Than Ever,” Newsweek, May 5, 2020.
William A. Darity Jr. and A. Kirsten Mullen, “A Program of Black Reparations,” NPQ, June 29, 2020.
William A. Darity Jr. and A. Kirsten Mullen, From Here to Equality: Reparations for Black Americans in the Twenty-First Century, Chapel Hill, NC: University of North Carolina Press, 2020.
Spectra Myers, Cat Goughnour, Ivan Avila, and Hiba Haroon, Addressing Debt in Black Communities, Washington, DC: Prosperity Now, June 2020.
Emanuel Nieves, Vanna Cure, and Cat Goughnour, Exploring Racial Economic Equity in Policy Advocacy, Washington, DC: Prosperity Now, July 2020.

 

Supersav

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
Funny how every outlet is talking about this issue but you...........

Closing the Racial Wealth Gap and the Case for Reparations

The latest webinar in NPQ’s Remaking the Economy series looks at the racial wealth gap, focusing on Black Americans. In 2017, a report titled The Road to Zero Wealth noted that at current trends, by mid-century the median wealth of a Black family in the US would fall below zero (i.e., more than half of all Black Americans would be in a net debtor position).
As the movement against anti-Black racism has gained support, so too has the movement for reparations. Reparations would provide formal acknowledgement of the tremendous costs, economic and otherwise, of slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, and other racist policies. But how would the mechanics of reparations work, and what does repair require?
Leading this discussion are our expert panelists:
  • William A. (“Sandy”) Darity and Kirsten Mullen are the husband-and-wife team that authored the award-winning book, From Here to Equality: Reparations for Black Americans in the Twenty-First Century, published by University of North Carolina Press in 2020.
  • Dedrick Asante-Muhammad is Chief of Race, Wealth, and Community for the National Community Reinvestment Coalition, an economic justice nonprofit advocacy group based in Washington, DC and was a coauthor of the 2017 Road to Zero Wealth
  • Gary Cunninghamis CEO of Prosperity Now, a national nonprofit based in Washington, DC, whose focus is on building a fair and just economy that is free from structural inequity and racism.
The moderator for this webinar is NPQ Economic Justice Program Director Steve Dubb. In this webinar, we begin with Sandy Darity and Kirsten Mullen outlining the case for reparations for Black Americans and highlighting key elements of their proposal. Dedrick Asante-Muhammad follows by emphasizing the nation’s and growing racial wealth gap. Gary Cunningham lifts up the importance of creating an economic system that fosters Black business ownership. From there, the panelists address a broad range of questions, including but not limited to those listed below:
  • What have we learned from past reparation efforts, such as German restitution for Holocaust survivors or US restitution to Japanese Americans forcibly held in concentration camps during World War II?
  • What does justice require? What would a comprehensive plan for reparations look like? How would reparations payments occur?
  • Do state and local efforts at reparations boost the movement for national reparations or detract from it?
  • How can the issue of reparations be framed strategically to build broad support? Do actions by the administration of Joe Biden that address racial equity provide an opening for these efforts?
  • What can be done in local communities to advance the movement for reparations?
  • Are current congressional approaches to reparations, such as US House Resolution 40, adequate? If not, what needs to be advanced in their place?
  • What role can nonprofits and philanthropy play in supporting policy and conversation around reparations and closing the racial wealth gap?
Resources
Scottie Andrew, “Reparations for slavery could have reduced Covid-19 transmission and deaths in the US, Harvard study says,” CNN, February 16, 2021.
Asset Building Policy Network, The Racial Wealth Gap, Washington, DC: Prosperity Now, September 2019.
Dedrick Asante-Muhammad, “The simplest way to close the racial wealth gap? Direct cash payments,” Guardian, July 12, 2020.
Dedrick Asante-Muhammad and Chuck Collins, “Why 21st-Century America needs to enact slavery reparations,” South Florida Sun Sentinel, July 8, 2019.
Chuck Collins, Darrick Hamilton, Dedrick Asante-Muhammad, and Josh Hoxie, Ten Solutions to Bridge the Racial Wealth Divide, Washington, DC: Institute for Policy Studies, April 2019.
Gary Cunningham, “Strengthening Our Identity: Rethinking the Path to Black Liberation,” NPQ, January 21, 2021.
William A. Darity Jr. and A. Kirsten Mullen, “The Flaws in the Reparations Bill,” Boston Globe, December 3, 2020
William A. Darity, Jr. and A. Kirsten Mullen, “Coronavirus Is Making the Case for Black Reparations Clearer Than Ever,” Newsweek, May 5, 2020.
William A. Darity Jr. and A. Kirsten Mullen, “A Program of Black Reparations,” NPQ, June 29, 2020.
William A. Darity Jr. and A. Kirsten Mullen, From Here to Equality: Reparations for Black Americans in the Twenty-First Century, Chapel Hill, NC: University of North Carolina Press, 2020.
Spectra Myers, Cat Goughnour, Ivan Avila, and Hiba Haroon, Addressing Debt in Black Communities, Washington, DC: Prosperity Now, June 2020.
Emanuel Nieves, Vanna Cure, and Cat Goughnour, Exploring Racial Economic Equity in Policy Advocacy, Washington, DC: Prosperity Now, July 2020.

We on hiatus..leave them to it
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
And this is why his and VAiz4hustlaz and KingTaharqa viewpoint is really naive at best. Then they resort to name-calling and insults when confronted with the reality of that. The group economics/socialism thing he talks about..thats not original or something that hasn't been tried. The Black Panthers did it and how did the black community respond to it? Ask your parents and grandparents or old heads in your neighborhood who lived thru that time what they thought of the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense back in the mid to late 60s and early 70s.

The name-calling and insults come from you and the Bidets. And you bring up the BPP? The same organization that was considered to be a threat because it had a breakfast program? And most of whose leaders were killed or incarcerated?

I asked you earlier to pull real-world data about Black people from the past decade under Obama and Trump and you ran from that. Because you already know the answer. That data will not show any discernible difference under one or the other. Prove me wrong!
 

geechiedan

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
Your brain won't let u see anyway outside of the system whitey has given you. It's like your stuck and u must suck at masters tit or die
you wanna truly get outside of the system then leave the country otherwise you're playing the game whether you believe it or not.

In 1969, Carmichael soon began to distance himself from the Panthers, mainly over white activist participation in the movement. The Panthers believed that white activists could help the movement, while Carmichael had come to agree with Malcolm X that white activists should organize their own communities before trying to lead black people.

Carmichael quit the Black Panthers and left the United States to take up permanent residence in Conakry, Guinea, where he dedicated his life to the cause of pan-African unity. “America does not belong to the blacks,” he said, explaining his departure from the country.


he opted out....
 

AllUniverse17

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Registered
Your brain won't let u see anyway outside of the system whitey has given you. It's like your stuck and u must suck at masters tit or die

You couldnt address the content intelligently so you resorted to attacking me personally.

Not surprised at all.

Think things through and come back when you are ready to have an adult conversation.
 

geechiedan

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
The name-calling and insults come from you and the Bidets. And you bring up the BPP? The same organization that was considered to be a threat because it had a breakfast program? And most of whose leaders were killed or incarcerated?
we already know that..the question and issue wasn't what did the govt do to the BP it was what was black people's response to their politics and tactics and philosophies at the time? The point being in order for socialism and group economics to work for the black community there has to be some general positive consensus on it. Do you think there is?

I asked you earlier to pull real-world data about Black people from the past decade under Obama and Trump and you ran from that. Because you already know the answer. That data will not show any discernible difference under one or the other. Prove me wrong!
I dont need to prove anything the data shows what it shows.. but unless I'm mistaken you voted for Obama too in 2008 and he ran unopposed in 2012

and who were the choices back then?
Obama
Clinton
John Edwards
Bill Richards
Biden
Chris Dodd
Mike Gravel
Kucinich
Tom Vilisack

Turns out Obama was more run of mill than we all had hoped...so whats your point??? given the choices (unless YOU KNEW BETTER THEN AND YOU DIDN'T) who would you have voted for?

Now since we're on the subject of proving shit...how'd that blank out the top of the ballot work out for us?? Your boy Eddie G promoted it in 2016...you all did it in 2016.,..trump got elected....then came 2020 and your boy turned around and said fuck blanking out I'M VOTING FOR BIDEN! :thumbsup: and you were all :fuckyousay: Now Prove me wrong!
 

VAiz4hustlaz

Proud ADOS and not afraid to step to da mic!
BGOL Investor
we already know that..the question and issue wasn't what did the govt do to the BP it was what was black people's response to their politics and tactics and philosophies at the time? The point being in order for socialism and group economics to work for the black community there has to be some general positive consensus on it. Do you think there is?

I didn't grow up in that era. Perhaps you did. How widespread was the BPP in the first place? You act like it was a mainstream national organization. And was it allowed to even operate or was it attacked by Hoover and the FBI? Correct me if I am wrong, but I think and HBO movie just came out about this.

I dont need to prove anything the data shows what it shows.. but unless I'm mistaken you voted for Obama too in 2008 and he ran unopposed in 2012

and who were the choices back then?
Obama
Clinton
John Edwards
Bill Richards
Biden
Chris Dodd
Mike Gravel
Kucinich
Tom Vilisack

Turns out Obama was more run of mill than we all had hoped...so whats your point??? given the choices (unless YOU KNEW BETTER THEN AND YOU DIDN'T) who would you have voted for?

Now since we're on the subject of proving shit...how'd that blank out the top of the ballot work out for us?? Your boy Eddie G promoted it in 2016...you all did it in 2016.,..trump got elected....then came 2020 and your boy turned around and said fuck blanking out I'M VOTING FOR BIDEN! :thumbsup: and you were all :fuckyousay: Now Prove me wrong!

The conversation isn't about who I did, would, or would not have voted for. You are the one pushing the narrative that there are only two options, and the Democratic Party is the best option for Black people. So I am simply asking you to show that empirically. Pull basic data on employment, education, wages, home ownership, incarceration, police brutality and whatever else........and show me how the measures are better for Black people under Democratic presidents and congresses than under Republican ones. You can go back over the past 10 years, back to 2000, or even 1990 if you want to. Just pull the numbers. Use the BLS or Census or whatever legit sources you find.

I'll wait...................

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