Jim Buss: Bynum is untouchable and Kobe felt he should have been consulted

[Brother Blues]

Everything is a smokescreen....

If he was gonna trade Bynum...you don't say it...you have to pretend he is of great value to you.

You never show your cards...that's why the Mets owner fucked up so when he told the truth about Reyes and Beltran.
You know their GM had to grit his teeth and was mad as a motherfucker.

Some of you guys would be terrible GMs...

 

[killa kadafi191]

Everything is a smokescreen....

If he was gonna trade Bynum...you don't say it...you have to pretend he is of great value to you.

You never show your cards...that's why the Mets owner fucked up so when he told the truth about Reyes and Beltran.
You know their GM had to grit his teeth and was mad as a motherfucker.

Some of you guys would be terrible GMs...

Again I think this is legit. Jim is close wth Bynum and actually chose him. He went against Kobe wishes to trade him to Jersey for Kidd and even defended his decision. He also was the first one to kill the Melo for Bynum rumors.

Again Dwight isn't going to be traded to the Lakers if Bynum is not moved.


Remember only one way the Lakers can obtain Dwight and that is through a sign and trade deal. Which would need to happen before June 30. So again Dwight is not being moved.

The new cba will do away with sign and trades. So again anyone hoping for dwight to be Laker the clock has started.

Let's be honest dwight is not being traded before the season starts

 

[Nobody]

Killa, stop talking as if everything is set in stone. They are looking to do away with sign and trades, it's not a done deal.

It's annoying when you speak as if you're sitting there next to Stern. No disrespect, just a pet peeve.

 

[CT's Finest]

Bynum untouchable? Why? Shit, IF there is a chance to get someone like Dwight Howard, fuck Andrew Bynum. Trade his ass if you can get Dwight. Shit, they should have traded him for 'Melo when they had the chance.

 

[killa kadafi191]

Killa, stop talking as if everything is set in stone. They are looking to do away with sign and trades, it's not a done deal.

It's annoying when you speak as if you're sitting there next to Stern. No disrespect, just a pet peeve.

U think it won't be??? The players file unfairl labor practices against the nba hoping to avoid a lockout.

Stern told billy hunter himself that the players will crack.

Its about knowing who u are dealing with. I was saying Stern would not come off this hard cap back in september and now it will be june and nothing has changed.

This is david stern we are talking about.

As one of the nba agents said its about how long the players can go without getting paid.

Stern knows by locking the players out he will get what he want. The players know that too which is why they filed unfair labor practices

Let me ask u this??? You followed the NBA for a while now be honest have u ever ever seen Stern back down during CBA negotiations????

 

[Nobody]

It's not crunch time yet Killa. It's a high stakes game of chicken, and right now of course stern isn't budging. Yet.

They'll move towards the middle.

 

[Nobody]

He'll get what he wants, but it won't be so extreme and anything can happen.

Just don't speak as if it's a done deal. It's foolish IMO.

 

[xfactor]

The way I look at it Bynum may have more points per possession (and let's be honest, .06 points is too minute to even bother bringing up IMO and that only comes from shooting a little better in free throws) but the difference is Bynum is playing alongside Bryant and Gasol, while Howard is playing alongside who?

Both of those players, despite your hatred for Kobe, are better passers than Howard has on his team, and draw more of the defense than any player Howard has.

You're comparing a player who's third option at best who very rarely sees double teams to a player who is constantly double teamed. And when he isn't double teamed he destroys his competition.

Bynum is longer and is a slighly better shot blocker, but for Howard completely changes the way teams play offense.

Even if he didn't play with Kobe and he played with someone like Chris Paul, his injury problems would always prevent him from competing for the title of best center. If he didn't have those issues, then I would be inclined to agree with you. But he does. So it remains that Howard is the better player.

And if LA were to get Howard without losing Gasol and Kobe?

Actually .06 /100 or 6 points per 100. Bynum put up 8 points more per 100 this season which is not insignificant IMO.

For chemistry reasons, I don't see that trio working out.

I never said Bynum was better than Howard because he isn't. I simply said that I don't see how you could say he is better on O because he isn't.

Howard as a #1 scoring option won't win any team a title but playing alongside a Gasol would help his game because Gasol is the more versatile player on O.

 

[xfactor]

Killa, stop talking as if everything is set in stone. They are looking to do away with sign and trades, it's not a done deal.

It's annoying when you speak as if you're sitting there next to Stern. No disrespect, just a pet peeve.

Man, leave ole RB alone.

He's just doing his job.

 

[killa kadafi191]

He'll get what he wants, but it won't be so extreme and anything can happen.

Just don't speak as if it's a done deal. It's foolish IMO.

What's extreme as the leaked show Stern felt delaying the hard cap till the 2013-14 season was being nice.

Eliminating sign and trades I can see that happening as well too. Again I am going by what I seen in history.

In 95 players cave in after three months.

1996 fucking hours pass before they cave in

98 months so again Stern isn't afraid to use the lockout to get what he wants and NBPA knows this to which why they filed that unfair labor practices.

As I said in the last thread David Stern hasn't all of sudden change.

 

[Nobody]

Actually .06 /100 or 6 points per 100. Bynum put up 8 points more per 100 this season which is not insignificant IMO.

For chemistry reasons, I don't see that trio working out.

I never said Bynum was better than Howard because he isn't. I simply said that I don't see how you could say he is better on O because he isn't.

Howard as a #1 scoring option won't win any team a title but playing alongside a Gasol would help his game because Gasol is the more versatile player on O.

I can't say he wouldn't win one as the number one scoring option. It really depends on the players around him, and coaching of course.

bynum's 8 points comes from free throw shooting. Which is one part ofnthe game that can be improved easily- in comparison to offense and defense.

 

[xfactor]

On some real shit stfu, you sound like a fuckin dumb ass

For comparison sake-

Incumbent SG production 2010-2011:
ORtg 1.13
DRtg 1.03
EFG% 55%

Proposed replacement SG production 2010-2011:
ORtg 1.11
DRtg 1.05
EFG% 48

Like I said, a downgrade.

@ ESPN experts and their lack of knowledge. Stick to hoping on the Miami bandwagon and still thinking it is Wade's team

 

[conspiracy Bro]

No offense to laker fans but these stories make Jim Buss sound like James Dolan.... Why can't his sister run the lakers. She seems overall to be more competent and having less to prove.

 

[Strait_Laced]

for those who don't live here in los angeles and say howard would never get traded here...
follow the money

courtside seat $3000+ (face value) for regular season games...actual price?...don't even wanna think about it
la has always had multiple superstars since the jack kent cooke era on the floor
going deep in the playoffs is an expectation...
things have a weird way of working in l.a's favor even when it isn't supposed to (the trade to get kobe, the one-sided trade for gasol...etc). face it. for ratings sake...in the west...if you're NBA front office, you have several teams you want to see on tv for the finals in the east (boston, chicago, miami, etc...) for the west...there's only one...remember, this is $ we're talking about

to charge an arm and a leg for seats to these hollywood (and hollywood wannabees) out here you have to have superstars...not just winning, but 'showtime' winning

never say never to a dwight howard trade...just sayin'...follow the money

 

[Nobody]

For comparison sake-

Incumbent SG production 2010-2011:
ORtg 1.13
DRtg 1.03
EFG% 55%

Proposed replacement SG production 2010-2011:
ORtg 1.11
DRtg 1.05
EFG% 48

Like I said, a downgrade.

@ ESPN experts and their lack of knowledge. Stick to hoping on the Miami bandwagon and still thinking it is Wade's team

Comparing the fifth scoring option to a first scoring option?

No double teams, no offensive pressure.

Come on. And then defensively Kobe is a step slower, yet he's still rated higher than Bogans. Let's be real. Do you think Bogans would be an UPGRADE in LA over Kobe?

Now, would Kobe fit? Only if he changed his game like Ray Allen did.

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

Comparing the fifth scoring option to a first scoring option?

No double teams, no offensive pressure.

Come on. And then defensively Kobe is a step slower, yet he's still rated higher than Bogans. Let's be real. Do you think Bogans would be an UPGRADE in LA over Kobe?

Now, would Kobe fit? Only if he changed his game like Ray Allen did.

These dudes are so simple until it's scary.

A dude that commands double teams, and make guards bring their A-game defensively is being compared to a fifth scoring option. Shane Battier had statistical breakdowns of Kobe's game, and Kobe was still gettin' busy.

This was no different than cranrab arguing that Kobe had more 40 point games against weak defensive than against strong defensive teams. It's like, "OH, REALLY CRANRAB?!?! WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT KOBE WOULD HAVE A HARDER TIME SCORING AGAINST GOOD TO GREAT DEFENSIVE TEAMS COMPARED TO WEAK ONES?!?!"

 

[Spectrum]

For comparison sake-

Incumbent SG production 2010-2011:
ORtg 1.13
DRtg 1.03
EFG% 55%

Proposed replacement SG production 2010-2011:
ORtg 1.11
DRtg 1.05
EFG% 48

Like I said, a downgrade.

@ ESPN experts and their lack of knowledge. Stick to hoping on the Miami bandwagon and still thinking it is Wade's team

I think this is a very myopic way to look at things. Imagine how much more productive Rose could be if he had a legitimate scoring threat at the SG position. A pure shooter like Ray Allen would be a better fit for the team...but defensively, with another player on the wing that can create his own offense, Rose doesnt get so much help defense thrown at him. If you watch this series against the Heat....it isnt as much as the first defender locking Rose down, it is the fact that are guiding him to the help defense (and create an interior wall)because the Heat dont respect the other perimeter players on the Bulls. A player like Kobe completely kills that option..they would have to play man to man. Say what you want about Kobe...you know my position, but you have to be smoking crack for real to say that Bogans is an upgrade over Kobe Bryant.

 

[Real2DaC0re]

Stop with the Dwight Howard to the Lakers shit. Every team in the NBA has just as good a chance to get Dwight as the Lakers do. LA has no cap room and deteriorating assests. No way Orlando takes Bynum in return for Howard.

Co-sign cause if they ain't trading bynum what else can they give the magic for Dwight? Odem or gasol not enough of a trade.

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

If I was Orlando, I'd take Odom for Howard.

Odom is far more versatile.

 

[Spectrum]

If I was Orlando, I'd take Odom for Howard.

Odom is far more versatile.

Man..now you smoking that same shit xfactor was... Odor for Howard....shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittt

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

Man..now you smoking that same shit xfactor was... Odor for Howard....shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittt

Well, if we got Pau for Kwame, then Odom for Dwight doesn't seem as ridiculous.

 

[Nobody]

Man..now you smoking that same shit xfactor was... Odor for Howard....shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittt

I understand not liking Kobe or his game.

That's perfectly fine.

But when you get to the point where you toss out these stats that are completely marginal at best and don't even tell you the entire story (how is the offense geared, is the player the first option, or fifth option, is he an option at all, how do opposing defenses approach the player, do they double? do they try to deny the player the ball? whn he has the ball do they play him tight, or dare him to shoot?)

It's another reason why I cannot stand the nba plus minus stat.

I've watched games where players would be on the court with four other guys, and they're the only one who's doing anything, and a lead is lost. They get a minus 8 or some bs, but everyone else was playing like crap.

Sometimes you need to watch the games also.

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

I understand not liking Kobe or his game.

That's perfectly fine.

But when you get to the point where you toss out these stats that are completely marginal at best and don't even tell you the entire story (how is the offense geared, is the player the first option, or fifth option, is he an option at all, how do opposing defenses approach the player, do they double? do they try to deny the player the ball? whn he has the ball do they play him tight, or dare him to shoot?)

It's another reason why I cannot stand the nba plus minus stat.

I've watched games where players would be on the court with four other guys, and they're the only one who's doing anything, and a lead is lost. They get a minus 8 or some bs, but everyone else was playing like crap.

Sometimes you need to watch the games also.

Dude, some shit you have to ignore. When a players peers, legendary players and coaches all regard someone as one of the best all time, you HAVE to disregard extremist like cranrab and Xfactor.

When cranrab told me that Kobe wasn't even a better dunker than Byron Scott was, and that he could go down as one of the top 100 role players of all times, I knew there was no reasoning with him.

You have to look beyond the numbers, man.

For instance, Kobe is a career 45% shooter, right? When you consider the fact that this dude is rarely given open looks; shoots far too many threes and at barely over 30%; always going to be guarded by the teams best defender, OFTEN with HELP; and doesn't make a habit of driving much...

....you realize his mid-range game is pretty damn good. Yes, he could shoot a higher percentage, but I often felt that his percentage was respectable for a superstar whose shot selection is as much of a hindrance to him scoring as the guy tasked with guarding him.

 

[killa kadafi191]

Well, if we got Pau for Kwame, then Odom for Dwight doesn't seem as ridiculous.

One okay dwight is the best center in the league.

Pau was a big man that couldn't win a playoff series with his team and the franchise felt it was time to go in a different direction.

Dwight would be forcing a trade because he is unhappy.

This is a guy that every team will want and they know the asking price will be high

The thing is what does orlando want.

Do they want to rebuild??? (Young players picks and cap relief)

Retool (veterans, proven players, and cap relief)

Alex Kennedy guy who broke the melo wanted to leave denver has said that from what he has heard otis is being stubborn. If anything he will be traded at the draft or after the asg.

 

[TimRock]

but you have to be smoking crack for real to say that Bogans is an upgrade over Kobe Bryant.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

smokescreen

Howard is going to LA

Bynum and his 37 year old knees are outta there

 

[MadWun]

If I was Orlando, I'd take Odom for Howard.

Odom is far more versatile.

Man..now you smoking that same shit xfactor was... Odor for Howard....shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittt

Well, if we got Pau for Kwame, then Odom for Dwight doesn't seem as ridiculous.

 

[Damn Right]

He's a dumbass if he doesn't try to explore a trade for Howard.

Because, while Bynum can be a very good player, his ceiling is the second best center in the league behind...you guessed it, Dwight Howard.

Better defense, better offense and far more durable.

c/s

there are games when bynum hasn't shown up to play. he's cool getting like 8 points in the game and 1 block and just camping out in the key until the refs make his big azz move by slapping him with a few defense 3 second violations. u can argue that it's cause he knows others on the team will step up. but howard doesn't really take nights off though.

and buss' hiring of the new coach was just awful

i like brown as a head coach. just not a head coach for US. it's cool to get a dude that leans toward defense. but does dude understand that the majority of his starting 5 either can't or won't play clamp down defense throughout the game

u can scream at pau all want as coach and tell him to lock in and be a defender but it ain't gonna happen. kobe isn't physically able to clamp down like he used to. and the list goes on. brown is just a bad fit for the team

 

[moblack]

Dude, you don't score 81 points in an NBA game without being fucked in the head. He should have be thwarted by fatigue, but his love of shooting, and the fact that he was such a roll, kept him going.

Look at his body language the moment he mentally REALIZED it was all over...

....dude shoulders dropped, and he looked tired as shit. It's not like he became tired that instant. Nigga was running on fumes for a minute, but that's how much dude loves to score, man.

That made me laugh. Nukka said he sulked

 

[BDR]

For comparison sake-

Incumbent SG production 2010-2011:
ORtg 1.13
DRtg 1.03
EFG% 55%

Proposed replacement SG production 2010-2011:
ORtg 1.11
DRtg 1.05
EFG% 48

Like I said, a downgrade.

@ ESPN experts and their lack of knowledge. Stick to hoping on the Miami bandwagon and still thinking it is Wade's team

That cranrab obscure stat shit aint work on me or anybody in here, like I said u in talkimg dumb shit

 

[Spectrum]

Well, if we got Pau for Kwame, then Odom for Dwight doesn't seem as ridiculous.

..man..if anything even remotely went down like that i would be

 

[Spectrum]

Bogans is not a better defender and averages barely 4 points a game during these playoffs... I mean...really... really?

Hey..ive been acused of being a kobe-hater and xfactor is alright with me.... but this is getting a bit out of hand now... Keith Bogans is an upgrade over Kobe...Ive fucking heard it all now.

 

[TimRock]

Bogans is not a better defender and averages barely 4 points a game during these playoffs... I mean...really... really?

Hey..ive been acused of being a kobe-hater and xfactor is alright with me.... but this is getting a bit out of hand now... Keith Bogans is an upgrade over Kobe...Ive fucking heard it all now.

people say anything these days. Give them time, im sure someone will come along and try to convince you even further, that he is.

 

[Spectrum]

people say anything these days. Give them time, im sure someone will come along and try to convince you even further, that he is.

(in my iverson voice)... We talking about Keith Bogans.... Keith Bogans

 

[aek_54]

Jim Buss knows as less about basketball than half the guys on this board.
(reach?)
He never liked Jackson, he blocked Bynum for K.G.& he's more concerned with proving who's boss than doing what's best for the team.Jeannie Buss is who needs to be in charge.
If Blake Griffin can remain injury-free, the Clippers may pass the Lakes in popularity in a few years.