Jeezy Speaks On Beef With Rick Ross With Angie Martinez

[Amajorfucup]

niggas forgetting that jeezy has classics under his belt..how many classics ross has?

thug motivation, the inspiration, and the recession shits on whatever ross has put out. I could play them joints front to back religiously..

Jeezy has one classic bro. Ross arguably has 2. Despite that he has stayed relevant over a longer period and puts out more content and better quality music. I didnt realize Ross was on his 5th studio album already, meanwhile Jeezy been pumpfakin on 103 for over 2years now. And if we gonna go lyrics, Ross shits on Jeezy right now. I used to trash Ross and his simplistic bullshit and habit of forcing shit to rhyme, but dude has stepped his game up.

@ sayin Jeezy doesnt have classics

Rawse will never make anything better than 101

Never

But he cant stand on one album when Ross has clearly surpassed him as a artist. Look man, you know i like Jeezy. He was the only rapper who talked that self destructive shit i would listen to at this point in my life(the shit was hard and you could tell he actually was of that shit). I used to clown Ross around here but we cant ignore whats happened over the last few years bro. Ross has probably released more albums and mixtapes in the last two years than Jeezy has his career. And all Ross shit fuckin bangs.

Whooooop! Ungh

 

[ak_rep]

Deeper Than Rap shits all over 101 and I'm a fan of both artists. Simple shit is Ross has grown with each album and Jeezy has regressed. It is what it is...

According to you. YOU. That's friggin' ridiculous. Outside of this thread, I wouldn't even entertain comparing the two.

 

[keone]

]Jeezy has one classic bro. Ross arguably has 2[/B]

 

[FJP]

I fuck with Ross music and I do think he's the most consistent at making listenable music right now, but come on man....Dude said Deeper than rap is better than 101? LOL Man 101 is a classic. When Ross can come to NY and LITERALLY perform the ENTIRE ALBUM and the whole crowd knows EVERY WORD, then Deeper than Rap can get some consideration. Certain Albums define the Era in which they come out in...

The Chronic and Doggystyle Defined the West Coast G-Funk Era..
Paid in Full Defined the lyrical NY style era..
Ready to Die/36 Chambers/Illmatic defined the return to NY era..

Life After Death/No Way Out/- Defined the "pretty era"
All Eyez on Me defined the Beef Era

And TM 101 Defined the Trap Era...There isn't even a question, it's not close at all.

 

[ShortyCumStain]

Can't nobody fuck wit Jeezy when it comes to trap rap. He owns that shit and ain't nobody even comin close to em. If you wanna talk about shit outside of that then it's another story but as far as the dope game rap goes Jeezy got that hands down....

Right. Like I mentioned previously, if it wasn't for Jeezy in '05, wouldn't NOBODY be on that trap shit in da way that they are now let alone using da term "trap" (which is some Atlanta shit anyways & no, I'm not sayin' that Jeezy originated it but he largely popularized it outside of da A). Regardless of how his buzz is currently, can't nobody really fuck w/him when it comes to that. And I'm not e'en finna start talkin' about any of his past dealings or da BMF shit, I live down this bitch & I know what's hannin' in regards to that & unlike many, I ain't have to read a BMF book or watch Gangland to know what was goin' on.

Get the fuck outta here!!! There ain't a song on Deeper Than Rap better than any song on TM101.

Word. Da comments some of these niggas are makin' are utterly absurd.

 

[dtownsfinest]

Ross was a mediocre rapper before and he's a mediocre rapper now. The only difference is he's using better beats. His rap style or lyrics haven't grown. He raps about the same bullshit. I'm not sure you know what growth is. If you're talking about Ross has been making better music, say he's making better music.

Gucci didn't sell 200,000 last album. All three Jeezy albums have gone platinum. Port Of Miami is still Ross' highest selling album, and he hasn't gone platinum yet. So why would Jeezy wait four albums and five years to finally aim shots at Rick Ross, when he's not any popular than he was when he first came out with Hustlin and Push It.

Gucci is a regional artist. Jeezy and Ross are national artist. Jeezy can be on a national tour with Wayne or Jay-Z in front of 20,000. Gucci does club shows down south. Jeezy can appear on summer jam line ups all over the country. They aren't anywhere on the same level. Waka gets more play in the northeast, because of his mom and his uncle Bimmy. No Hands was bigger than anything Gucci has ever done. I suggest you travel to find that out. I can give you Gucci's bds numbers. What great "growth" has Gucci displayed? Everything about Gucci discredits everything you've said about Ross.

And yes I'm using record sells, because you mentioned jealousy. What exactly would he be jealous of a dude who spends half the year locked up and can't even enjoy his money for? That shits comedy to me.

The reason Jeezy hasn't come out is because of expectations. He's a platinum artist, so they want a single and album that will help do platinum numbers.

Gucci hasn't shown growth either. You keep talking about everyone but Jeezy. I didn't say shit about Gucci growing as a rapper. I said Jeezy hasn't and I said Rawse has. And Jeezy ain't dropped because of expectations? His last album barely went gold. His album sold about the same amount as Gucci's Radric Davis album and Gucci was locked up and couldn't promote it.

And Rawse is 10x's more popular now than he was when he first dropped. The only reason his album sales don't reflect that is because its 2011 compared to 2006 and album sales are in the decline each and every year. Its why Jeezy's debut album sold 2 million and his last album barely went gold. Because its not 2005 no more.

And Rawse using better beats is debatable. I think Port of Miami production wise is his 2nd best album behind Deeper Than Rap. Just content wise it wasn't really shit and his flow sucked. He wasn't really even flowing he was talking. And that's what I mean about growth. He's actually flowing now. His flow is more animated. I mean shit listen for yourself:




Compared to how he's flowing now:



Shit doesn't even compare.

As far as Jeezy being jealous man shit I don't know why. I don't know what's wrong with that nigga. He's acting female. Every time a nigga gets in position to take the streets on he's over here tightening up. All he has to do is drop solid music and niggas will run back to him. Instead, he's letting Gucci drop mixtapes every week on him and letting Rawse drop better music than he is. People not even checking for 103 no more. I blame Jeezy for part of that but I also blame the label for all the push backs. But Jeezy hasn't really dropped a single worthy of releasing a album with. Rawse mixtape singles hit harder than Jeezy's songs he's been releasing for 103.

Jeezy has one classic bro. Ross arguably has 2. Despite that he has stayed relevant over a longer period and puts out more content and better quality music. I didnt realize Ross was on his 5th studio album already, meanwhile Jeezy been pumpfakin on 103 for over 2years now. And if we gonna go lyrics, Ross shits on Jeezy right now. I used to trash Ross and his simplistic bullshit and habit of forcing shit to rhyme, but dude has stepped his game up.

But he cant stand on one album when Ross has clearly surpassed him as a artist. Look man, you know i like Jeezy. He was the only rapper who talked that self destructive shit i would listen to at this point in my life(the shit was hard and you could tell he actually was of that shit). I used to clown Ross around here but we cant ignore whats happened over the last few years bro. Ross has probably released more albums and mixtapes in the last two years than Jeezy has his career. And all Ross shit fuckin bangs.

I'm saying though. Niggas over here talking about Thug Motivation 101 and that muthafucka came out when most of us were in high school. That shit dropped 7 years ago. You niggas talking about Jeezy and a album that dropped 7 years ago. Meanwhile, dudes is talking about Self Made and Teflon Don. Albums that dropped one year ago.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

So 101 > trap muzik?

?????

 

[D-TOWN REP]

So 101 > trap muzik?

?????

no, but trap muzik > any rozay album

yeah I said it

 

[ak_rep]

All Eyez on Me defined the Beef Era

That's fugged up man. Or basic interpretation. That album was beyond that. The networking alone was ground breaking. Pac was like Phil Jackson on that album, gathering up role players and a couple stars to win a championship.

Post that album, you saw a plethora of compilations being released. I'd say it defined an era of unity, i.e. compilations.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Lol niggas still on 101 like it's 2005 again.

Hahaha

 

[keone]

I'm saying though. Niggas over here talking about Thug Motivation 101 and that muthafucka came out when most of us were in high school. That shit dropped 7 years ago. You niggas talking about Jeezy and a album that dropped 7 years ago. Meanwhile, dudes is talking about Self Made and Teflon Don. Albums that dropped one year ago.

although i understand what you are trying to say, but believe me bro every rapper, hell artist wants a album that will be discussed for ever. no matter how many he drops

 

[shaddyvillethug]

no, but trap muzik > any rozay album

yeah I said it

I'm tombout as far as trap music

Because I see Negros in here tombout jeezy invented dis trap shit.

 

[keone]

Lol niggas still on 101 like it's 2005 again.

Hahaha

nigga you still on camrons Confessions of Fire like is 1998 what you talkin about

 

[D-TOWN REP]

I'm tombout as far as trap music

Because I see Negros in here tombout jeezy invented dis trap shit.

I feel what ya sayin since trap muzik came out first but that shit had 4 videos and struggled to go gold at the time

TM101 was national

 

[dtownsfinest]

no, but trap muzik > any rozay album

yeah I said it

Yea but Trap Muzik is better than anything TIP himself has made since then as well as anything Jeezy has even thought of creating. Jeezy isn't capable of making a Trap Muzik because lyrically he can't and he doesn't fuck with Toomp like TIP use to. Shit if Jeezy fucked with Toomp more i'd be more amped about 103. DJ toomp is to TI as Premo is to Nas.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

and the main reason niggas talking bout 101 in this thread is cuz a nigga had the nerve to say jeezy doesnt have a classic album

 

[shaddyvillethug]

TI had to compete against get rich Black album Joe budden nelly ludacris gunit album and countless others that came out.

Who jeezy compete wit in 05??

Mike jones???

Slim thug??

Paul wall???

???

 

[FJP]

Honestly shaddy yeah.. I mean T.I. may have been using the word first but Jeezy made it mainstream...Honestly Tip didn't get "big" until Urban Legend though Trap Muzik was his breakthrough sales. Plus Tip wasn't just a dopeboy rapper. TM 101 was the first complete dopeboy album that blew up. T.I. could actually rap. Jeezy lyrically was horrible on TM 101, that was the album that let cats know like "Damn if people just feeling what you saying you don't have to be a great rapper to blow up."

 

[ShortyCumStain]

Ross was a mediocre rapper before and he's a mediocre rapper now. The only difference is he's using better beats. His rap style or lyrics haven't grown. He raps about the same bullshit. I'm not sure you know what growth is. If you're talking about Ross has been making better music, say he's making better music.

Gucci didn't sell 200,000 last album. All three Jeezy albums have gone platinum. Port Of Miami is still Ross' highest selling album, and he hasn't gone platinum yet. So why would Jeezy wait four albums and five years to finally aim shots at Rick Ross, when he's not any popular than he was when he first came out with Hustlin and Push It.

Gucci is a regional artist. Jeezy and Ross are national artist. Jeezy can be on a national tour with Wayne or Jay-Z in front of 20,000. Gucci does club shows down south. Jeezy can appear on summer jam line ups all over the country. They aren't anywhere on the same level. Waka gets more play in the northeast, because of his mom and his uncle Bimmy. No Hands was bigger than anything Gucci has ever done. I suggest you travel to find that out. I can give you Gucci's bds numbers. What great "growth" has Gucci displayed? Everything about Gucci discredits everything you've said about Ross.

And yes I'm using record sells, because you mentioned jealousy. What exactly would he be jealous of a dude who spends half the year locked up and can't even enjoy his money for? That shits comedy to me.

The reason Jeezy hasn't come out is because of expectations. He's a platinum artist, so they want a single and album that will help do platinum numbers.

I had to think of that one for a minute b/c it never crossed my mind but you're right. Gucci's only "big hit" was "Freaky Girl" otherwise, most of his other shit is purely regional. Let these nigga know though.

no, but trap muzik > any rozay album

yeah I said it

TRUTH!!!

I'm tombout as far as trap music

Because I see Negros in here tombout jeezy invented dis trap shit.

Nobody said that he invented it but if it wasn't for him, nobody would be on that shit like that right now.

 

[keone]

I feel what ya sayin since trap muzik came out first but that shit had 4 videos and struggled to go gold at the time

TM101 was national

exactly is not about who came first, is about who made the most impact. shit niggas were screaming that they invented the neptune sound before neptunes but who listened?

 

[dtownsfinest]

although i understand what you are trying to say, but believe me bro every rapper, hell artist wants a album that will be discussed for ever. no matter how many he drops

I agree but at the same time we're not talking about Thug Motivation 101 right now because of its greatness. We're talking about it because its the last great album Jeezy has made. Its the same shit with Jay. You don't even hear people really mention Reasonable Doubt like they use to with the way Blueprint has grown over time. Same shit goes for Outkast. Usually a rappers debut is that artists best album to date but a few (Ghostface, Beanie Sigel, Jay, etc.) have produced a album that's on par or better with their debut. Jeezy hasn't even been on the same island as 101 no matter how many times he calls his albums Thug Motivation they will never be as good as 101.

 

[ShortyCumStain]

Honestly shaddy yeah.. I mean T.I. may have been using the word first but Jeezy made it mainstream...

Actually it was Ghetto Mafia (first & foremost), Outkast, Goodie Mob & possibly a few others who were usin' da term like that in their music but Jeezy popularized it & made it mainstream. But like I said, da term itself is some Atlanta shit so if someone were tell me that I'm off about GM then I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[FJP]

That's fugged up man. Or basic interpretation. That album was beyond that. The networking alone was ground breaking. Pac was like Phil Jackson on that album, gathering up role players and a couple stars to win a championship.

Post that album, you saw a plethora of compilations being released. I'd say it defined an era of unity, i.e. compilations.

Nah Bruh it defined the "Real Beef" era, when cats went from saying "Oh you wack" and minor insults on an album to actually saying "Fuck you I'll kill you, fuck your kids etc." Yeah cats did diss records but before Pac made that album cats would diss you on ONE record and make the rest of the album bout other shit, after Pac cats would diss a dude 15 times during the course of an album.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

TI had to compete against get rich Black album Joe budden nelly ludacris gunit album and countless others that came out.

Who jeezy compete wit in 05??

Mike jones???

Slim thug??

Paul wall???

???

all that shit was sellin though

 

[FJP]

exactly is not about who came first, is about who made the most impact. shit niggas were screaming that they invented the neptune sound before neptunes but who listened?

EXACTLY... Shit the Spanish invented pizza yet the Italians get all the credit, it's about who makes it popular and its NO QUESTION that Jeezy made it popular. Honestly man on that album Jeezy arena shows in NYC and got bigger applause than the NY cats he was on the tour with(Jim Jones and Dipset)

 

[keone]

I agree but at the same time we're not talking about Thug Motivation 101 right now because of its greatness. We're talking about it because its the last great album Jeezy has made. Its the same shit with Jay. You don't even hear people really mention Reasonable Doubt like they use to with the way Blueprint has grown over time. Same shit goes for Outkast. Usually a rappers debut is that artists best album to date but a few (Ghostface, Beanie Sigel, Jay, etc.) have produced a album that's on par or better with their debut. Jeezy hasn't even been on the same island as 101 no matter how many times he calls his albums Thug Motivation they will never be as good as 101.

point, but lets see how many people will talk about ross his albums in seven years time. not singles but albums.

EXACTLY... Shit the Spanish invented pizza yet the Italians get all the credit, it's about who makes it popular and its NO QUESTION that Jeezy made it popular. Honestly man on that album Jeezy arena shows in NYC and got bigger applause than the NY cats he was on the tour with(Jim Jones and Dipset)

exactly

 

[ShortyCumStain]

point, but lets see how many people will talk about ross his albums in seven years time. not singles but albums.

To even further that point, da first time in a LONG ass time that I've heard ANYONE say anything about Port of Miami was in this thread.

 

[dtownsfinest]

exactly is not about who came first, is about who made the most impact. shit niggas were screaming that they invented the neptune sound before neptunes but who listened?

Naw I disagree. That's like saying the Sugar Hill Gang are the goat because they had the first nationwide hip hop hit. TIP put "Trap" on before any of these niggas. He wasn't the first to say the word(Big Boi was the first nigga I heard talk about the trap) but he was the first one to make that music popular. If it wasn't for Trap Muzik there would be no Young Jeezy. Let's call it what it is. Jeezy may have made it more popular but TIP was the first one to put the country on to Trap Muzik. And the only reason TIP didn't sell more than gold was because he didn't release no pussy ass commercial singles.

I had to think of that one for a minute b/c it never crossed my mind but you're right. Gucci's only "big hit" was "Freaky Girl" otherwise, most of his other shit is purely regional. Let these nigga know though.



TRUTH!!!



Nobody said that he invented it but if it wasn't for him, nobody would be on that shit like that right now.

Man where do ya'll be getting your information from? Gucci ain't had no hits? So "Lemonade", "Spotlight" and "Wasted" didn't get no burn in your hood? Ya'll are talking crazy. You niggas are confusing pop hit with being a general hit. That's that same shit Blunt be doing when talking about hip hop. Gucci stays with a hit on the hip hop and r&B charts. No Hands was big though. Bigger than anything Gucci has ever produced but that was just on pop charts. It did just as well as Gucci shit does on urban radio.

 

[ak_rep]

Nah Bruh it defined the "Real Beef" era, when cats went from saying "Oh you wack" and minor insults on an album to actually saying "Fuck you I'll kill you, fuck your kids etc." Yeah cats did diss records but before Pac made that album cats would diss you on ONE record and make the rest of the album bout other shit, after Pac cats would diss a dude 15 times during the course of an album.

Nah, don't agree. Makaveli, maybe, but I won't derail. We'll have this discussion later, I hope.

 

[ShortyCumStain]

Man where do ya'll be getting your information from? Gucci ain't had no hits? So "Lemonade", "Spotlight" and "Wasted" didn't get no burn in your hood? Ya'll are talking crazy. You niggas are confusing pop hit with being a general hit. That's that same shit Blunt be doing when talking about hip hop. Gucci stays with a hit on the hip hop and r&B charts. No Hands was big though. Bigger than anything Gucci has ever produced but that was just on pop charts. It did just as well as Gucci shit does on urban radio.

I almost forgot about "Wasted" so you're right about that one but "Lemonade" wasn't even as big as you're makin' it seem & I don't even know if I heard "Spotlight" to say anything about that & this is comin' from a Gucci fan (albeit I don't listen to him as heavy as I did years back). Hell, "Lemonade" was gettin' burn down here but not like that.

 

[KingTaharqa]

Gucci got hits, Gucci got a movement, Gucci got artists under him that are relevant and people listen to, Gucci gets release dates for his albums. Gucci drops mixtapes regularly that he is able to tour off of. He got out on July 5th and been hitting clubs all over the south and midwest ever since off the strentgh of his Writings On The Walll pt.2 mixtape. As far as those two, its no comparison in 2011. Jeezy fell off and is tryna get back out there. Gucci gets locked up every summer but his shit is still more organized and relevant. Jeezy is still living off what he did on his 1st album. Jeezy has no artists under him that I nor anyone else is checking for. Jeezy makes the same generic dopeboy music over and over with knockoff Shawty Red/Lex Luger beats. His shit just dont got that personality it once did.

 

[dtownsfinest]

point, but lets see how many people will talk about ross his albums in seven years time. not singles but albums.

exactly

Well ay you won't get a argument out of me who has had a bigger impact on hip hop between Jeezy and Rawse. I'd give Jeezy the nod. My point from jump is that Rawse has been making better music than Jeezy for the past 5 years and it hasn't even been close. Jeezy has that on Rawse. His debut had a much bigger impact on his career. There was no way Rawse could make it this far by living off of Port of Miami. He would've been somewhere on the corner pushing his mixtape out of his trunk by now. But that's the difference between Rawse and Jeezy to me. Rawse has had to keep reinventing himself to stay relevant with his music. Jeezy as proven by this thread is still living off a album that came out 7 years ago which is probably why he's struggling to release a album for 2 years now.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

Naw I disagree. That's like saying the Sugar Hill Gang are the goat because they had the first nationwide hip hop hit. TIP put "Trap" on before any of these niggas. He wasn't the first to say the word(Big Boi was the first nigga I heard talk about the trap) but he was the first one to make that music popular. If it wasn't for Trap Muzik there would be no Young Jeezy. Let's call it what it is. Jeezy may have made it more popular but TIP was the first one to put the country on to Trap Muzik. And the only reason TIP didn't sell more than gold was because he didn't release no pussy ass commercial singles.

point

 

[mathtest]

I agree but at the same time we're not talking about Thug Motivation 101 right now because of its greatness. We're talking about it because its the last great album Jeezy has made. Its the same shit with Jay. You don't even hear people really mention Reasonable Doubt like they use to with the way Blueprint has grown over time. Same shit goes for Outkast. Usually a rappers debut is that artists best album to date but a few (Ghostface, Beanie Sigel, Jay, etc.) have produced a album that's on par or better with their debut. Jeezy hasn't even been on the same island as 101 no matter how many times he calls his albums Thug Motivation they will never be as good as 101.

u made alot of good points, i personally like the recession better than 101 cause im a ny nigga and couldn't really get into that trap hard shit on 101, but my personal opinion doesn't make it a better album, maybe jeezy set the bar to high wit 101 same way 50 cent set his 2 high wit grodt, 50 will never make a album better than grodt, kanye has doen a good job wit making real good albums that ppl can debate to which is the best 1

 

[shaddyvillethug]

MAN I KNOW break up and beat it up was gettin burn.

"Girls are like buses
Miss one, Next 15 one comin'
Gucci Mane crazy and his ice game stunnin'"

as well as the other RnB shit gucci was on.

yall forget hoes buy albums.

u gotta do songs hoes like.

JEEZY CAN'T DO THAT. BUT HE DOES STILL HAVE HOES BUYIN HIS ALBUM.

SHIT CRAZY!

man TI > Jeezy to me always because of the simple fact Trap Muzik survived that rap storm of 2003.

nigga had to go against Kanye on the come up Juelz on the come up.

LLoyd banks all dem niggas from 2003.

TI CAME STRONG in 2004.

Jeezy waltz his ass in when shit died down. roc break up, def jam new management no eminem. u know shit like that.