Israel -- 2006 War
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Told you que, you could play devils advocate for slavery and have jesse jackson,' saying hmmm you have a point.'
Whether israel is illegal by the UN can be debated, but ask the people that lived there.
Yeah I have a thing with israel cause nobody can explain how we benefit from them but they benefit from us.
This country had slavery legal, did it make it right?
Its just morals, chalk the zionist shit up and stop backing them and let nature take its course.
Do you really want to knock heads with europe, russia, and china over a racist state?
Would you have done the same with south africa?
When natives rose up against south africa were they justified?
My mother wasn't even born when israel was formed so they can straighten this shit out.
Its like this, we could treat the arabs and iran like china and russia. Diplomacy, we don't like you, you don't like us but we can get along.
Thing is israel fucks that up.
Just think, if israel was in formed in uganda would you even have any doubts about it being wrong or right? If the people that fought against it looked more like you.
Back to the war. Seems to me like while the corporations and bankers been making money with iraq, china and russia been arming the arabs best they could.
How many wargame blunders can be made you have to ask?
You really have to wonder what iran DOES have since somebody had to train hezzy to use those tank busters.
Plus america don't want it with china or russia anymore then they want it with us.
Hell everyday I think of new scenarios for all this, could go a million ways.
Is mutual respect that bad when dealing with arabs? Can they not keep their fanatics in control like the west does theres?
The united states good ole boys and right wing laugh at the UN but used its resolutions to justify war in iraq and turn the other cheek when israel abuses said resolutions.
I'm not against israel existing, just move it somewhere people weren't living before and where it couldn't set off world war 3.
When bush uses this israel war as a link to iran and then tries to link iran to his failed iraq mission we will see A REPEAT OF 2002~2003.
Now it aint just muslims that's bad its SHITES. They supported hezzy against holy israel and they have death squads in iraq. And bushes will blame it all on iran.
Thanx to israel. Hell I don't know guessing this is better then watching the world cup. I think august 21st is the magic day to see what the israel war had an influence on.
If iran turns down the nuke think I think rove got bush speech made up and some of it will have this israel-hezzy thing in it.
Please, I see it coming, bush already said 'noocleer' in his first speech after the cease fire...........a prelude.
Thing is iran is persian, thus the use of ISLAMIC FACIST in the media lately. So they can broaden it to iran.
Like I said rove is to much like me, he can spin the noids into believing what he wants and this israel war to him is like a instrument to mozart.
Whether israel is illegal by the UN can be debated, but ask the people that lived there.
Yeah I have a thing with israel cause nobody can explain how we benefit from them but they benefit from us.
This country had slavery legal, did it make it right?
Its just morals, chalk the zionist shit up and stop backing them and let nature take its course.
Do you really want to knock heads with europe, russia, and china over a racist state?
Would you have done the same with south africa?
When natives rose up against south africa were they justified?
My mother wasn't even born when israel was formed so they can straighten this shit out.
Its like this, we could treat the arabs and iran like china and russia. Diplomacy, we don't like you, you don't like us but we can get along.
Thing is israel fucks that up.
Just think, if israel was in formed in uganda would you even have any doubts about it being wrong or right? If the people that fought against it looked more like you.
Back to the war. Seems to me like while the corporations and bankers been making money with iraq, china and russia been arming the arabs best they could.
How many wargame blunders can be made you have to ask?
You really have to wonder what iran DOES have since somebody had to train hezzy to use those tank busters.
Plus america don't want it with china or russia anymore then they want it with us.
Hell everyday I think of new scenarios for all this, could go a million ways.
Is mutual respect that bad when dealing with arabs? Can they not keep their fanatics in control like the west does theres?
The united states good ole boys and right wing laugh at the UN but used its resolutions to justify war in iraq and turn the other cheek when israel abuses said resolutions.
I'm not against israel existing, just move it somewhere people weren't living before and where it couldn't set off world war 3.
When bush uses this israel war as a link to iran and then tries to link iran to his failed iraq mission we will see A REPEAT OF 2002~2003.
Now it aint just muslims that's bad its SHITES. They supported hezzy against holy israel and they have death squads in iraq. And bushes will blame it all on iran.
Thanx to israel. Hell I don't know guessing this is better then watching the world cup. I think august 21st is the magic day to see what the israel war had an influence on.
If iran turns down the nuke think I think rove got bush speech made up and some of it will have this israel-hezzy thing in it.
Please, I see it coming, bush already said 'noocleer' in his first speech after the cease fire...........a prelude.
Thing is iran is persian, thus the use of ISLAMIC FACIST in the media lately. So they can broaden it to iran.
Like I said rove is to much like me, he can spin the noids into believing what he wants and this israel war to him is like a instrument to mozart.
aipac makes Israel more american than apple pie and any american posting on BGOL how do you guys feel about that?
The US political system is for sale and Israel has bought it and the media and whatever else it needs.
Israel is the 53rd state and Arabs are walking the trail of tears.
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The US political system is for sale and Israel has bought it and the media and whatever else it needs.
Israel is the 53rd state and Arabs are walking the trail of tears.
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I would agree that the political system is for sale and the media is controlled by people with interests in which arguments they promote.
Poor israel poor israel. The poor bastard that says something against israel in the media is really the unfortunate one cause they are labled antisemetic.
Pakistan is nooclar, as bush would say. Residents there openly help al kidya. American troops aint even allowed to pursue aL kidya into pakistani land from other countries. A lot of islam in that country. Had to buy them to so they even pretended to care bout the war on turrur.
Yet and still we can deal with them with diplomacy!!!!!! If they were located in the middle east we would be enemies and it would be all israels fault.
America can be diplomatic with the middle east, just like it is with pakistan. Even if iran goes nooclar it will bring more peace in the middle east cause they will have to be shown respect. Respect breed diplomacy, doesn't mean you like each other.
Poor israel poor israel. The poor bastard that says something against israel in the media is really the unfortunate one cause they are labled antisemetic.
Pakistan is nooclar, as bush would say. Residents there openly help al kidya. American troops aint even allowed to pursue aL kidya into pakistani land from other countries. A lot of islam in that country. Had to buy them to so they even pretended to care bout the war on turrur.
Yet and still we can deal with them with diplomacy!!!!!! If they were located in the middle east we would be enemies and it would be all israels fault.
America can be diplomatic with the middle east, just like it is with pakistan. Even if iran goes nooclar it will bring more peace in the middle east cause they will have to be shown respect. Respect breed diplomacy, doesn't mean you like each other.
Jews owned the land before there was Islam, they were there when Moses was parting the Red Sea, when Mohammad wasn't even a thought there was David, Abraham, Jesus. What we should be looking at imo is what made Isalm one of the big 3 religions and how it has affected the world every since.
For the last time jews are khazar related, eventually coming through russia where some broke off and became zionist, which is political using religion.
The original hebrews were semetic and african people.
Think moses looked russian,polish or german?
Kinda like viking converts to christianity claiming they are from the holy land and setting up shop.
Think the jews could blend in so good with white people if they weren't white?
Somebody still needs to tell me what white people have to do with original hebrews. PLEASE....
The original hebrews were semetic and african people.
Think moses looked russian,polish or german?
Kinda like viking converts to christianity claiming they are from the holy land and setting up shop.
Think the jews could blend in so good with white people if they weren't white?
Somebody still needs to tell me what white people have to do with original hebrews. PLEASE....
Statement...
One theory...
The word Ashkenaz was used by Jews already in the 9th Cen to denote Germany. The name was probably given to Germany when Jews fled here or were brought here by the Romans from Judea after the destruction of Jerusalem.
The Romans were then occupied in wars to subdue the German tribes and Jews were used as auxiliaries assisiting the Roman legions.
The word Ashkenaz originates in the Bible, Gen 10:3
Ashkenazi Jews have pure Jewish origins and come directly from Judea, hence the name Jews.Both Sephardi and Ashkenazi Jews originated from Judea.
Sephardi Jews refers to the land of Spain, which in Hebrew is Sefarad.
Ashkenazi Jews spoke German mixed with Hebrew and Sephardi Jews spoke Spanish mixed with Hebrew.
Yiddish is the name of German mixed with Hebrew and Ladino is the name of Spanish mixed with Hebrew.
I suggest you find a good book on Jewish History, there are many available.
Take a look at Solomon Graetz's book in 5 volumes or Dubnow, or a more modern history by Menachem Stern, and Talmor.
another theory...
The Jews of today have no blood chemistry that links the savior to that race of people today.
David they said was a Judahite, and the Savior was from the same line but the scribes made one mistake. View the result in the Old Testament that says David's parents were Ephratites from the land of the tribe of Ephraim and not Judahites from the land of Judea that the scribes want you to believe.
So if they have the same lineage what do you think that makes the Savior? No reference from the Bible ever says that Jesus was a Jew.
One deceitful group of people with arterial motives want us to think that, so out of guilt for all their sad problems, we will want to give these people billions in aid every year, so they can spread their evil over their neighbors and the world.
Even the Savior when questioned in front of the Sanhedrin court when asked if he was a Jew, said "they say I am a Jew."
also, ...more factual than philosophical
http://www.world66.com/asia/middleeast/israel/people
One theory...
The word Ashkenaz was used by Jews already in the 9th Cen to denote Germany. The name was probably given to Germany when Jews fled here or were brought here by the Romans from Judea after the destruction of Jerusalem.
The Romans were then occupied in wars to subdue the German tribes and Jews were used as auxiliaries assisiting the Roman legions.
The word Ashkenaz originates in the Bible, Gen 10:3
Ashkenazi Jews have pure Jewish origins and come directly from Judea, hence the name Jews.Both Sephardi and Ashkenazi Jews originated from Judea.
Sephardi Jews refers to the land of Spain, which in Hebrew is Sefarad.
Ashkenazi Jews spoke German mixed with Hebrew and Sephardi Jews spoke Spanish mixed with Hebrew.
Yiddish is the name of German mixed with Hebrew and Ladino is the name of Spanish mixed with Hebrew.
I suggest you find a good book on Jewish History, there are many available.
Take a look at Solomon Graetz's book in 5 volumes or Dubnow, or a more modern history by Menachem Stern, and Talmor.
another theory...
The Jews of today have no blood chemistry that links the savior to that race of people today.
David they said was a Judahite, and the Savior was from the same line but the scribes made one mistake. View the result in the Old Testament that says David's parents were Ephratites from the land of the tribe of Ephraim and not Judahites from the land of Judea that the scribes want you to believe.
So if they have the same lineage what do you think that makes the Savior? No reference from the Bible ever says that Jesus was a Jew.
One deceitful group of people with arterial motives want us to think that, so out of guilt for all their sad problems, we will want to give these people billions in aid every year, so they can spread their evil over their neighbors and the world.
Even the Savior when questioned in front of the Sanhedrin court when asked if he was a Jew, said "they say I am a Jew."
also, ...more factual than philosophical
http://www.world66.com/asia/middleeast/israel/people
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,110581,00.html
BEIRUT - Israeli special forces operated deep in Lebanon early Saturday, the army confirmed, making it the broadest violation of a five-day-old U.N.-brokered cease-fire that put an end to 34 days of fighting between Israel and Hezbollah guerillas.
The army said its commandos entered Lebanon "to prevent and interfere with terror activity against Israel, especially the smuggling of arms from Iran and Syria to Hezbollah."
In Lebanon, Hezbollah said it foiled the Israeli commando raid early Saturday near its stronghold of Baalbek. But the Israeli army said the force completed its mission successfully, and that such operations would be carried out until a multinational force is in place to prevent Hezbollah's rearmament.
Lebanese security officials confirmed a report on Hezbollah TV that Israeli commandos were dropped off by helicopter outside the village of Boudai west of Baalbek in eastern Lebanon.
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to release information to the media, said the Israelis apparently were seeking a guerrilla target in a school. The officials also reported heavy Israeli overflights.
The provincial government official, Bekaa Valley Gov. Antoine Suleiman, told the privately owned Voice of Lebanon radio station that Israeli soldiers landed outside Baalbek and brought two vehicles with them.
The raid marks the first time Israel launched a military operation on such a scale since the cease-fire went into effect Monday. Israeli troops have killed several Hezbollah fighters who threatened their troops in south Lebanon since the cease-fire, and warplanes have flown over the country. The cease-fire allows for self-defense.
Hezbollah's Al-Manar TV said the Israeli commando force landed before dawn and was driving into Boudai when it was intercepted by guerrillas, who forced it to retreat under the cover of warplanes, which staged mock raids.
The Hezbollah report said blood-soaked bandages were found later at the landing site outside Boudai, about 10 miles west of Baalbek, indicating there were casualties among the Israelis.
Hezbollah officials on the scene said overflights from Israeli jet fighters drowned the clatter of helicopters as they flew into the foothills of the central Lebanese mountains, dropping commandos and two vehicles they used to drive into the village when the Hezbollah fighters intercepted them in a field. The commandos identified themselves as the Lebanese army, but the guerrillas grew suspicious and gunfire erupted.
Israeli helicopters fired missiles as the commandos withdrew and were flown out of the area an hour later, the Hezbollah officials said.
Witnesses reported seeing bandages and syringes at the site. They also said a bridge had been destroyed about 500 yards from the landing site. The witnesses said they believed it was destroyed by Israeli missiles.
Israel said late Friday its warplanes have not attacked Lebanon since an Aug. 14 cease-fire halted 34-days of fighting between Hezbollah and Israeli forces.
Baalbek is the birthplace of the Iranian and Syrian-backed Hezbollah. The area in the eastern Bekaa Valley, 60 miles north of the Israeli border, is a major guerrilla stronghold.
The U.N. Security Council cease-fire resolution calls for an immediate cessation by Hezbollah of all attacks and the immediate cessation by Israel of all offensive military operations.
In letters to Lebanese and Israeli leaders, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan has warned the two countries against occupying additional territory and told them to refrain from responding to any attacks "except where clearly required in immediate self-defense."
Annan also told Israel and Lebanon that once the cessation of hostilities took effect there must be no firing from the ground, sea or air into the other side's territory or at its forces.
Sound Off...What do you think? Join the discussion.
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What????? Lets see if bush blasts israel. If hezzy did this it would be holy hell, but israel again violates a UN order. Its always ok for them,always justified. Always an excuse for israel but anybody else does the same shit its.....TURRUR!!!!!!!!!
Iran and syria is backing hezzy is the excuse, well should somebody invade israel after america gives them bunker busters. I hope I live long enough to see somebody blow israel off the map.
Its crazy, violate the peace, then get mad and ask "why do they hate us"??????????
Rove better get busy typing to spin this shit for bush to go give one of those smiley speeches.
Didnt america help write this shit, hell they were the ones that held up the peace cause the wording didnt favor israel. Now israel violates it. WE SHOULD BE PISSSED!!!!!
BEIRUT - Israeli special forces operated deep in Lebanon early Saturday, the army confirmed, making it the broadest violation of a five-day-old U.N.-brokered cease-fire that put an end to 34 days of fighting between Israel and Hezbollah guerillas.
The army said its commandos entered Lebanon "to prevent and interfere with terror activity against Israel, especially the smuggling of arms from Iran and Syria to Hezbollah."
In Lebanon, Hezbollah said it foiled the Israeli commando raid early Saturday near its stronghold of Baalbek. But the Israeli army said the force completed its mission successfully, and that such operations would be carried out until a multinational force is in place to prevent Hezbollah's rearmament.
Lebanese security officials confirmed a report on Hezbollah TV that Israeli commandos were dropped off by helicopter outside the village of Boudai west of Baalbek in eastern Lebanon.
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to release information to the media, said the Israelis apparently were seeking a guerrilla target in a school. The officials also reported heavy Israeli overflights.
The provincial government official, Bekaa Valley Gov. Antoine Suleiman, told the privately owned Voice of Lebanon radio station that Israeli soldiers landed outside Baalbek and brought two vehicles with them.
The raid marks the first time Israel launched a military operation on such a scale since the cease-fire went into effect Monday. Israeli troops have killed several Hezbollah fighters who threatened their troops in south Lebanon since the cease-fire, and warplanes have flown over the country. The cease-fire allows for self-defense.
Hezbollah's Al-Manar TV said the Israeli commando force landed before dawn and was driving into Boudai when it was intercepted by guerrillas, who forced it to retreat under the cover of warplanes, which staged mock raids.
The Hezbollah report said blood-soaked bandages were found later at the landing site outside Boudai, about 10 miles west of Baalbek, indicating there were casualties among the Israelis.
Hezbollah officials on the scene said overflights from Israeli jet fighters drowned the clatter of helicopters as they flew into the foothills of the central Lebanese mountains, dropping commandos and two vehicles they used to drive into the village when the Hezbollah fighters intercepted them in a field. The commandos identified themselves as the Lebanese army, but the guerrillas grew suspicious and gunfire erupted.
Israeli helicopters fired missiles as the commandos withdrew and were flown out of the area an hour later, the Hezbollah officials said.
Witnesses reported seeing bandages and syringes at the site. They also said a bridge had been destroyed about 500 yards from the landing site. The witnesses said they believed it was destroyed by Israeli missiles.
Israel said late Friday its warplanes have not attacked Lebanon since an Aug. 14 cease-fire halted 34-days of fighting between Hezbollah and Israeli forces.
Baalbek is the birthplace of the Iranian and Syrian-backed Hezbollah. The area in the eastern Bekaa Valley, 60 miles north of the Israeli border, is a major guerrilla stronghold.
The U.N. Security Council cease-fire resolution calls for an immediate cessation by Hezbollah of all attacks and the immediate cessation by Israel of all offensive military operations.
In letters to Lebanese and Israeli leaders, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan has warned the two countries against occupying additional territory and told them to refrain from responding to any attacks "except where clearly required in immediate self-defense."
Annan also told Israel and Lebanon that once the cessation of hostilities took effect there must be no firing from the ground, sea or air into the other side's territory or at its forces.
Sound Off...What do you think? Join the discussion.
Copyright 2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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What????? Lets see if bush blasts israel. If hezzy did this it would be holy hell, but israel again violates a UN order. Its always ok for them,always justified. Always an excuse for israel but anybody else does the same shit its.....TURRUR!!!!!!!!!
Iran and syria is backing hezzy is the excuse, well should somebody invade israel after america gives them bunker busters. I hope I live long enough to see somebody blow israel off the map.
Its crazy, violate the peace, then get mad and ask "why do they hate us"??????????
Rove better get busy typing to spin this shit for bush to go give one of those smiley speeches.
Didnt america help write this shit, hell they were the ones that held up the peace cause the wording didnt favor israel. Now israel violates it. WE SHOULD BE PISSSED!!!!!
Re: Zionist strike again with blatant UN violation
What is to stop them? United Nations, certainly not, call up the peacekeepers and have another Bosnia on your hands...
What is to stop them? United Nations, certainly not, call up the peacekeepers and have another Bosnia on your hands...
Re: Zionist strike again with blatant UN violation
Notice how no American news outlets will actually state that Israel broke the ceasefire.
They broke the fuckin ceasefire. "Broke the ceasefire" means they are the aggressors now. I can't even watch any fuckin news now.
Freedom of the Press. Free to be monopolized by wealthy industrialists with strong interests in only telling people what Government and their interests want told.
Edward R Murrow is breakdancing in his grave.
Notice how no American news outlets will actually state that Israel broke the ceasefire.
They broke the fuckin ceasefire. "Broke the ceasefire" means they are the aggressors now. I can't even watch any fuckin news now.
Freedom of the Press. Free to be monopolized by wealthy industrialists with strong interests in only telling people what Government and their interests want told.
Edward R Murrow is breakdancing in his grave.
Re: Zionist strike again with blatant UN violation
Annan: Israeli Raid Violates Cease-Fire
Kofi Annan Says Israeli Raid Against Hezbollah in Eastern Lebanon Violated U.N. Cease-Fire
By SAM F. GHATTAS Associated Press Writer
The Associated Press
BEIRUT, Lebanon - Israeli commandos raided a Hezbollah stronghold deep in Lebanon on Saturday, engaging in a fierce gunbattle, and the Lebanese government threatened to halt further troop deployments to protest what U.N. officials called a violation of the 6-day-old cease-fire.
Israel said the raid was launched to stop arms smuggling from Iran and Syria to the militant Shiite fighters. An Israeli officer was killed during the raid, and two soldiers were wounded, one seriously.
There were no signs of further clashes, but the flare-up underlined worries about the fragility of the cease-fire as the U.N. pleaded for nations to send troops to an international force in southern Lebanon that is to separate Israeli and Hezbollah fighters.
The office of Secretary-General Kofi Annan issued a statement later Saturday labeling the operation a violation of the U.N. truce.
A contingent of 49 French soldiers landed in the south Saturday, providing the first reinforcements for the 2,000-strong U.N. peacekeeping mission known as UNIFIL that has been stationed in the region for years. About 200 more were expected next week.
They were the first additions to what is intended to grow into a 15,000-soldier U.N. force to police the truce with an equal number of Lebanese soldiers. France leads UNIFIL and already had 200 soldiers in Lebanon before the reinforcements.
But with Europe moving slowly to provide more troops, Israel warned it would continue to act on its own to enforce an arms embargo on the Lebanese guerrilla group until the Lebanese army and an expanded U.N. peacekeeping force are in place.
"If the Syrians and Iran continue to arm Hezbollah in violation of the resolution, Israel is entitled to act to defend the principle of the arms embargo," Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said. "Once the Lebanese army and the international forces are active ... then such Israeli activity will become superfluous."
Defense Minister Elias Murr met with U.N. envoy Terje Roed-Larsen and threatened to halt the movement of Lebanese troops into the former war zone in the south if the United Nations did not intervene against Israel. That could deeply damage efforts to deploy a strong U.N. peacekeeping force.
"We have put the matter forward in a serious manner and the U.N. delegation was understanding of the seriousness of the situation," Murr told reporters. "We are awaiting an answer."
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert defended the raid during a phone conversation with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, saying it was "intended to prevent the re-supply of new weapons and ammunition for Hezbollah," officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly on the issue.
The Israeli leader pointed to the importance of the supervision of the Syrian-Lebanese border as well, they said.
The Israeli military also said the raid was launched "to prevent and interfere with terror activity against Israel, especially the smuggling of arms from Iran and Syria to Hezbollah."
The Foreign Ministry spokesman rejected the characterization of the raid as a truce violation, saying the Lebanese army and U.N. peacekeepers must take control of Lebanon's border with Syria to ensure arms don't reach Hezbollah.
"But in the interim, of course, we can't have a situation where endless amounts of weaponry arrive for Hezbollah, so we are forced to act in response to this violation," he said, warning that further incursions could occur.
A statement issued by Annan's spokesman later Saturday said that the U.N. chief spoke with both Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora and Olmert about the fighting. "The secretary-general is deeply concerned about a violation by the Israeli side of the cessation of hostilities," it said.
"All such violations of Security Council Resolution 1701 endanger the fragile calm that was reached after much negotiation," said the statement, issued by spokesman Stephane Dujarric.
The White House declined to criticize the raid, noting that Israel said it acted in reaction to arms smuggling into Lebanon and that the U.N. resolution calls for the prevention of resupplying Hezbollah with weapons.
"The incident underscores the importance of quickly deploying the enhanced UNIFIL," White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo said.
Roed-Larsen said earlier the Lebanese army has deployed more than 1,500 soldiers in three sectors of the south where Israeli forces have left, and the 2,000 peacekeepers of UNIFIL have set up checkpoints and started patrolling the areas.
The broad outlines of the U.N. cease-fire plan call on Hezbollah to halt all attacks and for Israel to stop offensive operations. It gives Israel the right to respond if attacked, but the commandos were flown in by helicopter and the raid took place far from Israeli troops in southern Lebanon.
Israel did not identify the officer killed in the raid. Hezbollah issued a terse statement saying guerrillas "ambushed" the commando force and suffered no casualties. Lebanese security officials said three guerrillas were killed and three wounded.
The security officials said the commandos flew in by helicopter to a hill outside the village of Boudai west of Baalbek in eastern Lebanon, about 17 miles from the Syrian border. Witnesses said Israeli missiles destroyed a bridge during the fighting.
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release information to the media, said the Israelis apparently were seeking a guerrilla target in a nearby school but they had no other details.
Lebanese media speculated that Sheik Mohammed Yazbeck, a senior Hezbollah official in the Bekaa Valley and a member of the group's executive council, may have been the target. Yazbeck is a native of Boudai.
The Israeli army denied it had captured any Hezbollah fighter, and said it had not been the raid's objective.
Overflights by Israeli jet fighters drowned out the clatter of helicopters that flew the commandos into the foothills of the central Lebanese mountains, local Hezbollah officials said.
Using two vehicles also delivered by helicopter, the commandos drove into Boudai and were intercepted by Hezbollah fighters in a field, the officials said. They said the Israelis identified themselves as Lebanese soldiers, but the guerrillas grew suspicious and gunfire erupted.
Israeli helicopters fired missiles as the commandos withdrew and flew them out of the area an hour later, the Hezbollah officials said.
Witnesses reported seeing bandages and syringes at the landing site outside Boudai. The bridge that witnesses said was destroyed was about 500 yards from the landing site.
The area in the eastern Bekaa Valley, 60 miles north of the Israeli border, is a major guerrilla stronghold. Baalbek is the birthplace of Hezbollah, a militant Islamic movement that is supported by Iran and Syria.
Hezbollah, meanwhile, buried 55 fighters Friday and Saturday in Haris, Majdel Silim, Bint Jbail, Deir Qanoun and south Beirut, security officials said. Israel claims it killed hundreds of guerrillas during the war. Hezbollah reported 68 deaths.
U.N. Deputy Secretary-General Mark Malloch Brown said more countries needed to join the peacekeeping force. The U.N. wants to have 3,500 soldiers on the ground by Aug. 28 to help police the truce that took effect Monday and ended 34 days of brutal warfare.
Bangladesh, Indonesia, Italy, France and Finland have promised troops. In an effort to encourage more countries to sign on, Annan said the peacekeeping force would not "wage war" on Israel, Lebanon or Hezbollah militants, addressing a key concern of many countries.
The U.N. and Lebanon's government have said Hezbollah will not be allowed to bring weapons out in public, but have declined to commit to trying to disarm the guerrillas, as called for in a September 2004 U.N. resolution.
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Annan: Israeli Raid Violates Cease-Fire
Kofi Annan Says Israeli Raid Against Hezbollah in Eastern Lebanon Violated U.N. Cease-Fire
By SAM F. GHATTAS Associated Press Writer
The Associated Press
BEIRUT, Lebanon - Israeli commandos raided a Hezbollah stronghold deep in Lebanon on Saturday, engaging in a fierce gunbattle, and the Lebanese government threatened to halt further troop deployments to protest what U.N. officials called a violation of the 6-day-old cease-fire.
Israel said the raid was launched to stop arms smuggling from Iran and Syria to the militant Shiite fighters. An Israeli officer was killed during the raid, and two soldiers were wounded, one seriously.
There were no signs of further clashes, but the flare-up underlined worries about the fragility of the cease-fire as the U.N. pleaded for nations to send troops to an international force in southern Lebanon that is to separate Israeli and Hezbollah fighters.
The office of Secretary-General Kofi Annan issued a statement later Saturday labeling the operation a violation of the U.N. truce.
A contingent of 49 French soldiers landed in the south Saturday, providing the first reinforcements for the 2,000-strong U.N. peacekeeping mission known as UNIFIL that has been stationed in the region for years. About 200 more were expected next week.
They were the first additions to what is intended to grow into a 15,000-soldier U.N. force to police the truce with an equal number of Lebanese soldiers. France leads UNIFIL and already had 200 soldiers in Lebanon before the reinforcements.
But with Europe moving slowly to provide more troops, Israel warned it would continue to act on its own to enforce an arms embargo on the Lebanese guerrilla group until the Lebanese army and an expanded U.N. peacekeeping force are in place.
"If the Syrians and Iran continue to arm Hezbollah in violation of the resolution, Israel is entitled to act to defend the principle of the arms embargo," Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said. "Once the Lebanese army and the international forces are active ... then such Israeli activity will become superfluous."
Defense Minister Elias Murr met with U.N. envoy Terje Roed-Larsen and threatened to halt the movement of Lebanese troops into the former war zone in the south if the United Nations did not intervene against Israel. That could deeply damage efforts to deploy a strong U.N. peacekeeping force.
"We have put the matter forward in a serious manner and the U.N. delegation was understanding of the seriousness of the situation," Murr told reporters. "We are awaiting an answer."
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert defended the raid during a phone conversation with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, saying it was "intended to prevent the re-supply of new weapons and ammunition for Hezbollah," officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly on the issue.
The Israeli leader pointed to the importance of the supervision of the Syrian-Lebanese border as well, they said.
The Israeli military also said the raid was launched "to prevent and interfere with terror activity against Israel, especially the smuggling of arms from Iran and Syria to Hezbollah."
The Foreign Ministry spokesman rejected the characterization of the raid as a truce violation, saying the Lebanese army and U.N. peacekeepers must take control of Lebanon's border with Syria to ensure arms don't reach Hezbollah.
"But in the interim, of course, we can't have a situation where endless amounts of weaponry arrive for Hezbollah, so we are forced to act in response to this violation," he said, warning that further incursions could occur.
A statement issued by Annan's spokesman later Saturday said that the U.N. chief spoke with both Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora and Olmert about the fighting. "The secretary-general is deeply concerned about a violation by the Israeli side of the cessation of hostilities," it said.
"All such violations of Security Council Resolution 1701 endanger the fragile calm that was reached after much negotiation," said the statement, issued by spokesman Stephane Dujarric.
The White House declined to criticize the raid, noting that Israel said it acted in reaction to arms smuggling into Lebanon and that the U.N. resolution calls for the prevention of resupplying Hezbollah with weapons.
"The incident underscores the importance of quickly deploying the enhanced UNIFIL," White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo said.
Roed-Larsen said earlier the Lebanese army has deployed more than 1,500 soldiers in three sectors of the south where Israeli forces have left, and the 2,000 peacekeepers of UNIFIL have set up checkpoints and started patrolling the areas.
The broad outlines of the U.N. cease-fire plan call on Hezbollah to halt all attacks and for Israel to stop offensive operations. It gives Israel the right to respond if attacked, but the commandos were flown in by helicopter and the raid took place far from Israeli troops in southern Lebanon.
Israel did not identify the officer killed in the raid. Hezbollah issued a terse statement saying guerrillas "ambushed" the commando force and suffered no casualties. Lebanese security officials said three guerrillas were killed and three wounded.
The security officials said the commandos flew in by helicopter to a hill outside the village of Boudai west of Baalbek in eastern Lebanon, about 17 miles from the Syrian border. Witnesses said Israeli missiles destroyed a bridge during the fighting.
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release information to the media, said the Israelis apparently were seeking a guerrilla target in a nearby school but they had no other details.
Lebanese media speculated that Sheik Mohammed Yazbeck, a senior Hezbollah official in the Bekaa Valley and a member of the group's executive council, may have been the target. Yazbeck is a native of Boudai.
The Israeli army denied it had captured any Hezbollah fighter, and said it had not been the raid's objective.
Overflights by Israeli jet fighters drowned out the clatter of helicopters that flew the commandos into the foothills of the central Lebanese mountains, local Hezbollah officials said.
Using two vehicles also delivered by helicopter, the commandos drove into Boudai and were intercepted by Hezbollah fighters in a field, the officials said. They said the Israelis identified themselves as Lebanese soldiers, but the guerrillas grew suspicious and gunfire erupted.
Israeli helicopters fired missiles as the commandos withdrew and flew them out of the area an hour later, the Hezbollah officials said.
Witnesses reported seeing bandages and syringes at the landing site outside Boudai. The bridge that witnesses said was destroyed was about 500 yards from the landing site.
The area in the eastern Bekaa Valley, 60 miles north of the Israeli border, is a major guerrilla stronghold. Baalbek is the birthplace of Hezbollah, a militant Islamic movement that is supported by Iran and Syria.
Hezbollah, meanwhile, buried 55 fighters Friday and Saturday in Haris, Majdel Silim, Bint Jbail, Deir Qanoun and south Beirut, security officials said. Israel claims it killed hundreds of guerrillas during the war. Hezbollah reported 68 deaths.
U.N. Deputy Secretary-General Mark Malloch Brown said more countries needed to join the peacekeeping force. The U.N. wants to have 3,500 soldiers on the ground by Aug. 28 to help police the truce that took effect Monday and ended 34 days of brutal warfare.
Bangladesh, Indonesia, Italy, France and Finland have promised troops. In an effort to encourage more countries to sign on, Annan said the peacekeeping force would not "wage war" on Israel, Lebanon or Hezbollah militants, addressing a key concern of many countries.
The U.N. and Lebanon's government have said Hezbollah will not be allowed to bring weapons out in public, but have declined to commit to trying to disarm the guerrillas, as called for in a September 2004 U.N. resolution.
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Re: Zionist strike again with blatant UN violation
The irony is that one of the news channels, (FAUX) actually tried to blame the UN for Israel's actions. I think Amerikkkans have finally slipped back into slavery for their Jewish masters.
In the Talmud there are a thousand reminders to the Jew that he is absolutely superior to all other life forms:
Vayikra Rabba 36 ?Heaven and earth were created only for the sake of the Jews.?
Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human (? Only ye are designated men?). ?The Jews are human beings, but the goyim are not human beings; they are only beasts.?
Menahoth 43b-44a . A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave.
Kethuboth 11b . ? When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing.?
Sanhedrin 106a . Says ?Jesus mother was a whore.?
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile (? Cuthean? ) the wages owed him for work.
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile (? heathen? ) it does not have to be returned.
Midrash Talpioth 225 ?Yahweh created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form and is condemned to serve the Jew day and night.?
Makkonnen said:
The irony is that one of the news channels, (FAUX) actually tried to blame the UN for Israel's actions. I think Amerikkkans have finally slipped back into slavery for their Jewish masters.
In the Talmud there are a thousand reminders to the Jew that he is absolutely superior to all other life forms:
Vayikra Rabba 36 ?Heaven and earth were created only for the sake of the Jews.?
Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human (? Only ye are designated men?). ?The Jews are human beings, but the goyim are not human beings; they are only beasts.?
Menahoth 43b-44a . A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave.
Kethuboth 11b . ? When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing.?
Sanhedrin 106a . Says ?Jesus mother was a whore.?
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile (? Cuthean? ) the wages owed him for work.
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile (? heathen? ) it does not have to be returned.
Midrash Talpioth 225 ?Yahweh created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form and is condemned to serve the Jew day and night.?
Re: Zionist strike again with blatant UN violation
<font size="5"><center>Lebanon warns rogue Palestinian rocket teams
against attacks on Israel</font size></center>
Steven R. Hurst, Canadian Press
Published: Sunday, August 20, 2006 Article tools
BEIRUT (AP) - Lebanon's defence minister said Sunday he is certain Hezbollah will not break the ceasefire but warned all militant groups of harsh measures and a traitor's fate if they incite Israeli retaliation by firing rockets into the Jewish state.
Defence Minister Elias Murr's strong remarks indicated concern that Syrian-backed Palestinian militants might try to restart the fighting by drawing retaliation from Israel.
Prime Minister Fuad Saniora, meanwhile, toured the devastated Hezbollah stronghold in south Beirut and decried the destruction by Israeli bombs as a "crime against humanity." Parliament speaker Nabih Berri, a Shiite and Hezbollah backer, stood at the Sunni premier's side and said they spoke with one voice.
In Jerusalem, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said he would name a panel to investigate the military and government's performance during the war, which has been criticized by many Israelis as weak and indecisive.
A day after Israeli commandos staged a pre-dawn raid deep into Lebanon, prompting UN Secretary General Kofi Annan to declare the Israelis in violation of the Security Council ceasefire resolution, no new clashes were reported.
Residents in the mountains east of Beirut, however, described continued overflights by Israeli warplanes on the truce's seventh day.
Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said Saturday's raid was aimed at disrupting arms shipments to Hezbollah and such operations may continue until international peacekeepers arrive to enforce an arms embargo.
"In the situation where there was a flagrant violation of the embargo, Israel had the right to act. Had there not been a violation, Israel would not have to respond," he said Sunday, expressing impatience with the slow international response in offering troops for the peacekeeping force.
Siding with Jerusalem, the U.S. government also said the Israeli raid underscored the importance of quickly deploying an expanded UN peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon.
"We've seen the press reports and noted the Israeli statement saying that the operation was a reaction to arms smuggling," White House spokeswoman Emily Lawrimore said, adding that preventing the resupply of weapons to Hezbollah by Syria and Iran is a key provision of the ceasefire plan.
The Lebanese defence minister insisted that Hezbollah would hold its fire.
"We consider that when the resistance (Hezbollah) is committed not to fire rockets, then any rocket that is fired from the Lebanese territory would be considered collaboration with Israel to provide a pretext (for Israel) to strike," Murr said.
He added that "the Lebanese army will decisively deal with" any attack on Israel and that anyone arrested for violating the truce "will be considered by the military tribunal as an agent of the Israeli enemy."
Murr did not repeat his threat of Saturday to stop the deployment of Lebanon's army in the south to protest Israel's helicopter-borne commando raid near the town of Boudai on the west side of the Bekaa Valley, a Hezbollah stronghold.
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<font size="5"><center>Lebanon warns rogue Palestinian rocket teams
against attacks on Israel</font size></center>
Steven R. Hurst, Canadian Press
Published: Sunday, August 20, 2006 Article tools
BEIRUT (AP) - Lebanon's defence minister said Sunday he is certain Hezbollah will not break the ceasefire but warned all militant groups of harsh measures and a traitor's fate if they incite Israeli retaliation by firing rockets into the Jewish state.
Defence Minister Elias Murr's strong remarks indicated concern that Syrian-backed Palestinian militants might try to restart the fighting by drawing retaliation from Israel.
Prime Minister Fuad Saniora, meanwhile, toured the devastated Hezbollah stronghold in south Beirut and decried the destruction by Israeli bombs as a "crime against humanity." Parliament speaker Nabih Berri, a Shiite and Hezbollah backer, stood at the Sunni premier's side and said they spoke with one voice.
In Jerusalem, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said he would name a panel to investigate the military and government's performance during the war, which has been criticized by many Israelis as weak and indecisive.
A day after Israeli commandos staged a pre-dawn raid deep into Lebanon, prompting UN Secretary General Kofi Annan to declare the Israelis in violation of the Security Council ceasefire resolution, no new clashes were reported.
Residents in the mountains east of Beirut, however, described continued overflights by Israeli warplanes on the truce's seventh day.
Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said Saturday's raid was aimed at disrupting arms shipments to Hezbollah and such operations may continue until international peacekeepers arrive to enforce an arms embargo.
"In the situation where there was a flagrant violation of the embargo, Israel had the right to act. Had there not been a violation, Israel would not have to respond," he said Sunday, expressing impatience with the slow international response in offering troops for the peacekeeping force.
Siding with Jerusalem, the U.S. government also said the Israeli raid underscored the importance of quickly deploying an expanded UN peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon.
"We've seen the press reports and noted the Israeli statement saying that the operation was a reaction to arms smuggling," White House spokeswoman Emily Lawrimore said, adding that preventing the resupply of weapons to Hezbollah by Syria and Iran is a key provision of the ceasefire plan.
The Lebanese defence minister insisted that Hezbollah would hold its fire.
"We consider that when the resistance (Hezbollah) is committed not to fire rockets, then any rocket that is fired from the Lebanese territory would be considered collaboration with Israel to provide a pretext (for Israel) to strike," Murr said.
He added that "the Lebanese army will decisively deal with" any attack on Israel and that anyone arrested for violating the truce "will be considered by the military tribunal as an agent of the Israeli enemy."
Murr did not repeat his threat of Saturday to stop the deployment of Lebanon's army in the south to protest Israel's helicopter-borne commando raid near the town of Boudai on the west side of the Bekaa Valley, a Hezbollah stronghold.
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Re: Arab world deeply split over Hezbollah
<font size="5"><center>Some in Iran skeptical of Hezbollah</font size>
<font size="4">They say Mideast conflict obscures problems at home</font size></center>
Boston Globe
By Anne Barnard
Globe Staff
July 25, 2006
TEHRAN -- Here in the capital that US officials blame for prodding Hezbollah to attack Israel, city-sponsored posters herald the Lebanese militants as heroes of resistance, and official newspapers portray the bloody Israeli-Lebanese conflict as one of Iran's biggest concerns.
A government think tank yesterday honored a Hezbollah leader as an ally against what it called the West's assault on Islam.
But those sentiments are far from unanimous in the Iranian capital. From the leafy streets of upscale northern Tehran to the poorer southern neighborhoods, a surprising number of young Iranians yesterday shrugged off the two-week old conflict, and Hezbollah's cause, as minor issues compared with inflation, unemployment, and confining social strictures.
``We're up to our ears in our own problems, so we don't care about this stuff," said Nina Kamarzarian, 21, sipping a banana frappe in a northern Tehran café and fretting about the drop in business at her printer repair shop.
``My government, they want to conceal their own problems," she said. ``All the time, they say, `Lebanon, Palestine, Arabs.' They want to conceal the fact that the majority of the people are dissatisfied."
In a scruffy park in southeastern Tehran, Sajad Saifi, 20, a temporary worker in a soda factory, said he hadn't been paid his $200 monthly salary since April. ``Whether Lebanon is on the map or not doesn't change my destiny," he said. ``It doesn't bring any cure for my pain."
Wearing a Hugo Boss knockoff belt and dark denim pants fashionably turned up at the cuffs, he added, ``Honestly, my concern is that if I walk hand in hand with a girl, I will be harassed and stopped by 20 police."
Many Iranians have responded with the fervor the government encourages, and people interviewed in Tehran universally expressed sympathy for Lebanese civilians injured and killed in the war. They differ, though, on whether supporting Hezbollah -- to the tune of at least $100 million annually, according to US estimates -- should be a priority for a country facing high unemployment, especially among the two-thirds of the population that is under 30.
Since Hezbollah launched a volley of rockets into northern Israel and captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid, sparking an Israeli barrage that has devastated Lebanese infrastructure and left more than 384 Lebanese and 40 Israelis dead, Iran has been at the center of the ensuing international crisis.
US and Israeli officials accuse Iran, which helped create Hezbollah to fight Israel's occupation of southern Lebanon in 1982, of supplying the Shi'ite Islamist militia with long-range missiles that have hit Israeli cities. They argue that Iran fomented the crisis to expand its power across the Middle East and distract international attention from its alleged nuclear weapons program.
Iran has denied any role in the current conflict while backing Hezbollah's demand for a prisoner exchange with Israel and proudly proclaiming that Hezbollah is a partner in checking US and Israeli power.
Iran, a mainly Shi'ite Muslim country that is heir to thousands of years of Persian culture, has long been a rival of the majority-Sunni Arab world. But since Shi'ite clerics overthrew the Shah in 1979 and established Islamic rule, Iran has also sought to export its revolution by supporting Arab Islamist militant groups like Hezbollah and the newly elected Palestinian ruling party, Hamas.
Pan-Islamic unity was on display yesterday at a government-sponsored think tank, where a tinny rendition of the anthem of the Islamic Republic of Iran kicked off a panel discussion grandly billed as a search for ways to counteract what it called ``Psychological Warfare Against the Islamic Resistance."
On a single podium at the Iranian president's Center for Strategic Studies sat representatives of Hezbollah, Hamas, Syria, and Iran, the foursome that the United States and Israel portray as the culprits behind rising Islamist militancy.
The panelists, joined by the Lebanese ambassador, described their groups and countries as the last ones willing to stand up to US efforts to dominate their region.
``The main issue is America, and Israel as a servant of America's goal of a new Middle East," said Hussein Safiadeen, Hezbollah's representative in Iran, declaring that the conflict would be ``the beginning of Israel's defeat."
``The region is silent," complained Syrian ambassador Hamid Hassan, referring to lukewarm support for Hezbollah from Sunni Arab states including Saudi Arabia and Egypt. ``Syria and Iran, we are the two big fortresses against these aggressions."
At the end of the discussion, a green-uniformed commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guards embraced Safiadeen and presented him with a 10-CD set of the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini's greatest sayings.
Around the city, Iranians expressed a range of views that reflected a complex society facing internal debates about its place in the world, its goals, and the role of Islam.
Across town, Ali Shir Mohammed Ali, 19, selling religious cassettes, pins, and stickers at the Mahestan trading center, a middle-class mall, said Islam demands that Iranians take the lead in supporting Hezbollah.
``Everything that happens in the Middle East affects us," he said. ``If we did not take a leadership role in the Middle East, we would be attacked."
``Some Arabs call us Ajamis," he said, using a word that refers to Iran's Persian heritage. But making ethnic distinctions, he said, is ``ignorant. The Islamic identity is more important."
On the mall's lower floor, which years ago stocked almost exclusively religious paraphernalia but now hawks everything from clothing to electric fireplaces, Javad Karimi, 30, an air-conditioner repairman, said he was more concerned about business, which he pronounced ``terrible."
``I don't have anything to say about politics. We mind our own business," he said.
At the café in north Tehran, Nina Kamarzarian, in a black and silver headscarf that matched her hip-hop sneakers, called the government focus on Hezbollah and the push for nuclear power ``counterproductive. It encourages America to attack us."
Her friend Samin Rafaie, 18, who was drinking an iced latte and a hot chocolate, said she agreed that the government had made ``empty promises" to improve the economy, but disagreed on Hezbollah.
``The Lebanese and the Palestinians are oppressed people," she said. ``We should give them whatever we can afford."
At the park in the south, Sajad Saifi, the soda factory worker, said Iran's biggest problem is a widening gulf between rich and poor -- an economic gap that has forced him to work since he was 14, and a social gap that yawns between poor neighborhoods, where he said police hound men and women walking together, and rich ones, where social freedoms are more tolerated.
His friend Mohammed Navid, 19, said the government focused on Hezbollah ``for its own vested interests."
``Every president, every government says slogans and they come to nothing," he said. ``Of course I feel sorry for people who are killed. But at the end of the day, every country has its oppressed people."
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<font size="5"><center>Some in Iran skeptical of Hezbollah</font size>
<font size="4">They say Mideast conflict obscures problems at home</font size></center>
Boston Globe
By Anne Barnard
Globe Staff
July 25, 2006
TEHRAN -- Here in the capital that US officials blame for prodding Hezbollah to attack Israel, city-sponsored posters herald the Lebanese militants as heroes of resistance, and official newspapers portray the bloody Israeli-Lebanese conflict as one of Iran's biggest concerns.
A government think tank yesterday honored a Hezbollah leader as an ally against what it called the West's assault on Islam.
But those sentiments are far from unanimous in the Iranian capital. From the leafy streets of upscale northern Tehran to the poorer southern neighborhoods, a surprising number of young Iranians yesterday shrugged off the two-week old conflict, and Hezbollah's cause, as minor issues compared with inflation, unemployment, and confining social strictures.
``We're up to our ears in our own problems, so we don't care about this stuff," said Nina Kamarzarian, 21, sipping a banana frappe in a northern Tehran café and fretting about the drop in business at her printer repair shop.
``My government, they want to conceal their own problems," she said. ``All the time, they say, `Lebanon, Palestine, Arabs.' They want to conceal the fact that the majority of the people are dissatisfied."
In a scruffy park in southeastern Tehran, Sajad Saifi, 20, a temporary worker in a soda factory, said he hadn't been paid his $200 monthly salary since April. ``Whether Lebanon is on the map or not doesn't change my destiny," he said. ``It doesn't bring any cure for my pain."
Wearing a Hugo Boss knockoff belt and dark denim pants fashionably turned up at the cuffs, he added, ``Honestly, my concern is that if I walk hand in hand with a girl, I will be harassed and stopped by 20 police."
Many Iranians have responded with the fervor the government encourages, and people interviewed in Tehran universally expressed sympathy for Lebanese civilians injured and killed in the war. They differ, though, on whether supporting Hezbollah -- to the tune of at least $100 million annually, according to US estimates -- should be a priority for a country facing high unemployment, especially among the two-thirds of the population that is under 30.
Since Hezbollah launched a volley of rockets into northern Israel and captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid, sparking an Israeli barrage that has devastated Lebanese infrastructure and left more than 384 Lebanese and 40 Israelis dead, Iran has been at the center of the ensuing international crisis.
US and Israeli officials accuse Iran, which helped create Hezbollah to fight Israel's occupation of southern Lebanon in 1982, of supplying the Shi'ite Islamist militia with long-range missiles that have hit Israeli cities. They argue that Iran fomented the crisis to expand its power across the Middle East and distract international attention from its alleged nuclear weapons program.
Iran has denied any role in the current conflict while backing Hezbollah's demand for a prisoner exchange with Israel and proudly proclaiming that Hezbollah is a partner in checking US and Israeli power.
Iran, a mainly Shi'ite Muslim country that is heir to thousands of years of Persian culture, has long been a rival of the majority-Sunni Arab world. But since Shi'ite clerics overthrew the Shah in 1979 and established Islamic rule, Iran has also sought to export its revolution by supporting Arab Islamist militant groups like Hezbollah and the newly elected Palestinian ruling party, Hamas.
Pan-Islamic unity was on display yesterday at a government-sponsored think tank, where a tinny rendition of the anthem of the Islamic Republic of Iran kicked off a panel discussion grandly billed as a search for ways to counteract what it called ``Psychological Warfare Against the Islamic Resistance."
On a single podium at the Iranian president's Center for Strategic Studies sat representatives of Hezbollah, Hamas, Syria, and Iran, the foursome that the United States and Israel portray as the culprits behind rising Islamist militancy.
The panelists, joined by the Lebanese ambassador, described their groups and countries as the last ones willing to stand up to US efforts to dominate their region.
``The main issue is America, and Israel as a servant of America's goal of a new Middle East," said Hussein Safiadeen, Hezbollah's representative in Iran, declaring that the conflict would be ``the beginning of Israel's defeat."
``The region is silent," complained Syrian ambassador Hamid Hassan, referring to lukewarm support for Hezbollah from Sunni Arab states including Saudi Arabia and Egypt. ``Syria and Iran, we are the two big fortresses against these aggressions."
At the end of the discussion, a green-uniformed commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guards embraced Safiadeen and presented him with a 10-CD set of the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini's greatest sayings.
Around the city, Iranians expressed a range of views that reflected a complex society facing internal debates about its place in the world, its goals, and the role of Islam.
Across town, Ali Shir Mohammed Ali, 19, selling religious cassettes, pins, and stickers at the Mahestan trading center, a middle-class mall, said Islam demands that Iranians take the lead in supporting Hezbollah.
``Everything that happens in the Middle East affects us," he said. ``If we did not take a leadership role in the Middle East, we would be attacked."
``Some Arabs call us Ajamis," he said, using a word that refers to Iran's Persian heritage. But making ethnic distinctions, he said, is ``ignorant. The Islamic identity is more important."
On the mall's lower floor, which years ago stocked almost exclusively religious paraphernalia but now hawks everything from clothing to electric fireplaces, Javad Karimi, 30, an air-conditioner repairman, said he was more concerned about business, which he pronounced ``terrible."
``I don't have anything to say about politics. We mind our own business," he said.
At the café in north Tehran, Nina Kamarzarian, in a black and silver headscarf that matched her hip-hop sneakers, called the government focus on Hezbollah and the push for nuclear power ``counterproductive. It encourages America to attack us."
Her friend Samin Rafaie, 18, who was drinking an iced latte and a hot chocolate, said she agreed that the government had made ``empty promises" to improve the economy, but disagreed on Hezbollah.
``The Lebanese and the Palestinians are oppressed people," she said. ``We should give them whatever we can afford."
At the park in the south, Sajad Saifi, the soda factory worker, said Iran's biggest problem is a widening gulf between rich and poor -- an economic gap that has forced him to work since he was 14, and a social gap that yawns between poor neighborhoods, where he said police hound men and women walking together, and rich ones, where social freedoms are more tolerated.
His friend Mohammed Navid, 19, said the government focused on Hezbollah ``for its own vested interests."
``Every president, every government says slogans and they come to nothing," he said. ``Of course I feel sorry for people who are killed. But at the end of the day, every country has its oppressed people."
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<font size="5"><center>Hassan Nasrallah’s apologetic speech Sunday</font size>
<font size="4">contrasts starkly with his rapid rearmament of Hizballah‘s war machine</font size></center>
DEBKAfile Exclusive:
August 27, 2006, 11:32 PM (GMT+02:00)
Hizballah’s leader said in a broadcast speech Sunday night that he would not have ordered the kidnap of two Israeli soldiers had he know it would lead to war.
DEBKAfile reveals the other side of the picture: While saying mildly that in his view a second round of the war is not indicated, Nasrallah has just finished reconstituting his Southern Nasser Brigade command (short range Katyusha rockets) in the port town of Tyre after collecting its elements form various south Lebanese villages to the east. His fighters reached Tyre at the same time as French UNIFIL troops landed in the same port but were not noticed by the TV cameras focusing on the French landings.
DEBKAfile’s Beirut sources report Nasrallah goes in fear of an Israeli attempt on his life. Hizballah’s re-armament is therefore proceeding cautiously, rapidly and inconspicuously. For the same reason, he appears to be avoiding a meeting with the UN secretary Kofi Annan who is due in Beirut this week. The local UN office is trying to set up this meeting because Annan would regard as a major feat of diplomacy. However Nasrallah is afraid its venue would leak out and Israeli warplanes would find him.
Similarly, he has called off a victory parade he had planned to stage next week in the southern Beirut Shiite suburb of Dahya among the ruins left by Israeli air strikes. Nasrallah had planned to stand on a platform and take the salute of his armed men as they marched past with Fajer-3 and Fajer-5 rockets. This would have shown the Israelis that Hizballah’s rocket might was still intact after their bombardment. But an intelligence tip-off that the Israeli air force and navy were waiting to bomb the parade persuaded him to cancel the event.
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<font size="4">contrasts starkly with his rapid rearmament of Hizballah‘s war machine</font size></center>
DEBKAfile Exclusive:
August 27, 2006, 11:32 PM (GMT+02:00)
Hizballah’s leader said in a broadcast speech Sunday night that he would not have ordered the kidnap of two Israeli soldiers had he know it would lead to war.
DEBKAfile reveals the other side of the picture: While saying mildly that in his view a second round of the war is not indicated, Nasrallah has just finished reconstituting his Southern Nasser Brigade command (short range Katyusha rockets) in the port town of Tyre after collecting its elements form various south Lebanese villages to the east. His fighters reached Tyre at the same time as French UNIFIL troops landed in the same port but were not noticed by the TV cameras focusing on the French landings.
DEBKAfile’s Beirut sources report Nasrallah goes in fear of an Israeli attempt on his life. Hizballah’s re-armament is therefore proceeding cautiously, rapidly and inconspicuously. For the same reason, he appears to be avoiding a meeting with the UN secretary Kofi Annan who is due in Beirut this week. The local UN office is trying to set up this meeting because Annan would regard as a major feat of diplomacy. However Nasrallah is afraid its venue would leak out and Israeli warplanes would find him.
Similarly, he has called off a victory parade he had planned to stage next week in the southern Beirut Shiite suburb of Dahya among the ruins left by Israeli air strikes. Nasrallah had planned to stand on a platform and take the salute of his armed men as they marched past with Fajer-3 and Fajer-5 rockets. This would have shown the Israelis that Hizballah’s rocket might was still intact after their bombardment. But an intelligence tip-off that the Israeli air force and navy were waiting to bomb the parade persuaded him to cancel the event.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=3184
<font size="5"><center>American electronic warfare experts in Israel
to find out how Hizballah’s Iranian systems
neutralized Israeli Electronic Warfare </font size></center>
DEBKAfile Exclusive:
August 23, 2006, 3:18 PM (GMT+02:00)
DEBKA-Net-Weekly 266 first drew attention to Iran’s heavy EW investment and its successful functioning in the Lebanon War on Aug. 11, 06. This first account will be followed up in the next DNW issue out on Friday, Aug. 25.
DEBKAfile on Aug. 23 adds: The American EW experts are interested in four areas:
From DEBKA-Net-Weekly 266:
Until the watershed date of July 12, 2006, when the Hizballah triggered the Lebanon War, Israel was accounted an important world power in the development of electronic warfare systems – so much so that a symbiotic relationship evolved for the research and development of many US and Israeli electronic warfare systems, in which a mix of complementary American and Israeli devices and methods were invested.
In combat against Hizballah, both were not only found wanting, but had been actively neutralized, so that none performed the functions for which they were designed. This poses both the US and Israel with a serious problem in a further round of the Lebanon war and any military clash with Iran.
DEBKAfile’s military sources add:Both intelligence services underestimated the tremendous effort Iran invested in state of the art electronic warfare gadgetry designed to disable American military operations in Iraq and IDF functions in Israel and Lebanon. Israel’s electronic warfare units were taken by surprise by the sophisticated protective mechanisms attached to Hizballah’s communications networks, which were discovered to be connected by optical fibers which are not susceptible to electronic jamming.
American and Israeli experts realize now that they overlooked the key feature of the naval exercise Iran staged in the Persian Gulf last April: Iran’s leap ahead in electronic warfare. They dismissed most the weapons systems as old-fashioned. But among them were the C-802 cruise missile and several electronic warfare systems, both of which turned up in the Lebanon war with deadly effect.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=3166
to find out how Hizballah’s Iranian systems
neutralized Israeli Electronic Warfare </font size></center>
DEBKAfile Exclusive:
August 23, 2006, 3:18 PM (GMT+02:00)
DEBKA-Net-Weekly 266 first drew attention to Iran’s heavy EW investment and its successful functioning in the Lebanon War on Aug. 11, 06. This first account will be followed up in the next DNW issue out on Friday, Aug. 25.
DEBKAfile on Aug. 23 adds: The American EW experts are interested in four areas:
1. The Israeli EW systems’ failure to block Hizballah’s command and communications and the links between the Lebanese command and the Syria-based Iranian headquarters.
2. How Iranian technicians helped Hizballah eavesdrop on Israel’s communications networks and mobile telephones, including Israeli soldiers’ conversations from inside Lebanon.
3. How Iranian EW installed in Lebanese army coastal radar stations blocked the Barak anti-missile missiles aboard Israeli warships, allowing Hizballah to hit the Israeli corvette Hanith.
4. Why Israeli EW was unable to jam the military systems at the Iranian embassy in Beirut, which hosted the underground war room out of which Hassan Nasrallah and his top commanders, including Imad Mughniyeh, functioned.
2. How Iranian technicians helped Hizballah eavesdrop on Israel’s communications networks and mobile telephones, including Israeli soldiers’ conversations from inside Lebanon.
3. How Iranian EW installed in Lebanese army coastal radar stations blocked the Barak anti-missile missiles aboard Israeli warships, allowing Hizballah to hit the Israeli corvette Hanith.
4. Why Israeli EW was unable to jam the military systems at the Iranian embassy in Beirut, which hosted the underground war room out of which Hassan Nasrallah and his top commanders, including Imad Mughniyeh, functioned.
From DEBKA-Net-Weekly 266:
Until the watershed date of July 12, 2006, when the Hizballah triggered the Lebanon War, Israel was accounted an important world power in the development of electronic warfare systems – so much so that a symbiotic relationship evolved for the research and development of many US and Israeli electronic warfare systems, in which a mix of complementary American and Israeli devices and methods were invested.
In combat against Hizballah, both were not only found wanting, but had been actively neutralized, so that none performed the functions for which they were designed. This poses both the US and Israel with a serious problem in a further round of the Lebanon war and any military clash with Iran.
DEBKAfile’s military sources add:Both intelligence services underestimated the tremendous effort Iran invested in state of the art electronic warfare gadgetry designed to disable American military operations in Iraq and IDF functions in Israel and Lebanon. Israel’s electronic warfare units were taken by surprise by the sophisticated protective mechanisms attached to Hizballah’s communications networks, which were discovered to be connected by optical fibers which are not susceptible to electronic jamming.
American and Israeli experts realize now that they overlooked the key feature of the naval exercise Iran staged in the Persian Gulf last April: Iran’s leap ahead in electronic warfare. They dismissed most the weapons systems as old-fashioned. But among them were the C-802 cruise missile and several electronic warfare systems, both of which turned up in the Lebanon war with deadly effect.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=3166
<font size="5"><center>From Hamas Figure, an Unusual Self-Criticism</font size></center>
New York Times
By STEVEN ERLANGER
Published: August 28, 2006
JERUSALEM, Aug. 28 — In an unusual piece of self-criticism, a well-known Hamas official has decried the collapse of Gazan life into chaos, and said that much of the blame belonged to Palestinians themselves.
“Gaza is suffering under the yoke of anarchy and the swords of thugs,” wrote Ghazi Hamad, a former Hamas newspaper editor and spokesman for the current Hamas government, in an article published on Sunday in the Palestinian newspaper Al Ayyam.
After so much optimism when Israelis pulled out of Gaza a year ago, he wrote, “life became a nightmare and an intolerable burden.”
He urged Palestinians to look to themselves, not to Israel, for the causes. In particular, he said the chaos in the Gaza Strip was the fault of the various armed militant groups operating there, most of them affiliated with Fatah, Hamas’s rival for political power and influence.
“We’ve all been attacked by the bacteria of stupidity,” Mr. Hamad wrote. “We have lost our sense of direction.” He asked the armed groups: “Please have mercy on Gaza. Have mercy on us from your demagogy, chaos, guns, thugs, infighting. Let Gaza breathe a bit. Let it live.”
But Mr. Hamad did not assign blame to Hamas or Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, one of the group’s leading figures.
Mr. Hamad also questioned the utility of firing rockets into Israel, attacks that cause few Israeli casualties directly but that lead to many Palestinian deaths when the Israelis retaliate. He seemed to be arguing for other armed groups to follow Hamas’s own decision to halt rocket fire into Israel.
His article was first described in English in the Jerusalem Post today.
In the West Bank today, Palestinian state workers held a strike and march in Ramallah and hospital workers in Nablus went out on strike over the government’s failure to pay their salaries.
The civil servants’ union announced earlier that about 80,000 workers would launch an open-ended strike Sept. 2, the first day of the school year. The workers include 37,000 teachers and 25,000 health workers, the union said.
The action is an indication that popular patience with Hamas may be running out, as the American and Israeli governments predicted when they announced a freeze on financial aid to the Palestinian state.
The West has cut off most aid to Hamas because it has refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist, refused to forswear violence and refused to accept previous Israeli-Palestinian agreements.
Efforts by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah to create a unity government with Hamas on the basis of a document written by prisoners have been stymied by Hamas’s insistence that it lead such a government. Nor has Mr. Abbas been willing to dissolve the Hamas government, as the Bush Administration has reportedly urged him to do.
Four Palestinians were killed near Gaza City today. Palestinian security officials said the four were manning roadblocks in the area when they were hit by Israeli air-to-ground missile fire. The Israeli military said Israeli soldiers operating in the area killed three Palestinians in a firefight, but did not know of a fourth man killed.
Hamas gunmen shot a motorist who refused to stop at a roadblock in southern gaza, witnesses said. The gunmen said they came under fire from the approaching car and returned fire. The shooting appeared to be another sign of tension between Hamas and Fatah.
Mr. Hamad said that his article, published in a newspaper normally associated with Fatah, was a personal comment. Despite the digs at Fatah, it was noteworthy for its criticism of the habit among Palestinians of blaming Israel and its long occupation of Palestinian lands for every ill — even after Israeli troops and settlers had left Gaza.
“I’m not interested in discussing the ugliness and brutality of the occupation, because it is not a secret,” Mr. Hamad wrote. “Instead, I prefer self-criticism and self-evaluation. We’re used to blaming our mistakes on others.”
Palestinian joy after the Israeli departure “made us forget the most important question — what is our next step?” he wrote.
“When you walk in the streets of Gaza City,” Mr. Hamad continued, “you cannot but close your eyes because of what you see there: unimaginable chaos, careless policemen, young men carrying guns and strutting with pride, and families receiving condolences for their dead in the middle of the street.”
He asked: “What is the relationship between the chaos, anarchy, lawlessness, indiscriminate murders, theft of land, family rivalries, transgression on public lands and unorganized traffic, and the occupation? We are still trapped by the mentality of conspiracy theories — one that has limited our capability to think.”
He wrote that those who saw themselves as fighting Israel were working at cross-purposes: “It is strange that, when a big effort is taken to reopen Rafah crossing to ease the suffering of the people, you see others who go to shell rockets towards the crossing. Or when someone talks about cease-fire and its importance, you find those who go and shell more rockets. Of course, I do not deny that the occupation committed massacres that cannot be justified. But I support negotiations over what can be fixed.”
Some Palestinians will agree with him and others disagree, Mr. Hamad wrote. “But running away from self-confrontation will only cause us more pain.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/28/w...6fccdc690d9&hp&ex=1156824000&partner=homepage
New York Times
By STEVEN ERLANGER
Published: August 28, 2006
JERUSALEM, Aug. 28 — In an unusual piece of self-criticism, a well-known Hamas official has decried the collapse of Gazan life into chaos, and said that much of the blame belonged to Palestinians themselves.
“Gaza is suffering under the yoke of anarchy and the swords of thugs,” wrote Ghazi Hamad, a former Hamas newspaper editor and spokesman for the current Hamas government, in an article published on Sunday in the Palestinian newspaper Al Ayyam.
After so much optimism when Israelis pulled out of Gaza a year ago, he wrote, “life became a nightmare and an intolerable burden.”
He urged Palestinians to look to themselves, not to Israel, for the causes. In particular, he said the chaos in the Gaza Strip was the fault of the various armed militant groups operating there, most of them affiliated with Fatah, Hamas’s rival for political power and influence.
“We’ve all been attacked by the bacteria of stupidity,” Mr. Hamad wrote. “We have lost our sense of direction.” He asked the armed groups: “Please have mercy on Gaza. Have mercy on us from your demagogy, chaos, guns, thugs, infighting. Let Gaza breathe a bit. Let it live.”
But Mr. Hamad did not assign blame to Hamas or Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, one of the group’s leading figures.
Mr. Hamad also questioned the utility of firing rockets into Israel, attacks that cause few Israeli casualties directly but that lead to many Palestinian deaths when the Israelis retaliate. He seemed to be arguing for other armed groups to follow Hamas’s own decision to halt rocket fire into Israel.
His article was first described in English in the Jerusalem Post today.
In the West Bank today, Palestinian state workers held a strike and march in Ramallah and hospital workers in Nablus went out on strike over the government’s failure to pay their salaries.
The civil servants’ union announced earlier that about 80,000 workers would launch an open-ended strike Sept. 2, the first day of the school year. The workers include 37,000 teachers and 25,000 health workers, the union said.
The action is an indication that popular patience with Hamas may be running out, as the American and Israeli governments predicted when they announced a freeze on financial aid to the Palestinian state.
The West has cut off most aid to Hamas because it has refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist, refused to forswear violence and refused to accept previous Israeli-Palestinian agreements.
Efforts by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah to create a unity government with Hamas on the basis of a document written by prisoners have been stymied by Hamas’s insistence that it lead such a government. Nor has Mr. Abbas been willing to dissolve the Hamas government, as the Bush Administration has reportedly urged him to do.
Four Palestinians were killed near Gaza City today. Palestinian security officials said the four were manning roadblocks in the area when they were hit by Israeli air-to-ground missile fire. The Israeli military said Israeli soldiers operating in the area killed three Palestinians in a firefight, but did not know of a fourth man killed.
Hamas gunmen shot a motorist who refused to stop at a roadblock in southern gaza, witnesses said. The gunmen said they came under fire from the approaching car and returned fire. The shooting appeared to be another sign of tension between Hamas and Fatah.
Mr. Hamad said that his article, published in a newspaper normally associated with Fatah, was a personal comment. Despite the digs at Fatah, it was noteworthy for its criticism of the habit among Palestinians of blaming Israel and its long occupation of Palestinian lands for every ill — even after Israeli troops and settlers had left Gaza.
“I’m not interested in discussing the ugliness and brutality of the occupation, because it is not a secret,” Mr. Hamad wrote. “Instead, I prefer self-criticism and self-evaluation. We’re used to blaming our mistakes on others.”
Palestinian joy after the Israeli departure “made us forget the most important question — what is our next step?” he wrote.
“When you walk in the streets of Gaza City,” Mr. Hamad continued, “you cannot but close your eyes because of what you see there: unimaginable chaos, careless policemen, young men carrying guns and strutting with pride, and families receiving condolences for their dead in the middle of the street.”
He asked: “What is the relationship between the chaos, anarchy, lawlessness, indiscriminate murders, theft of land, family rivalries, transgression on public lands and unorganized traffic, and the occupation? We are still trapped by the mentality of conspiracy theories — one that has limited our capability to think.”
He wrote that those who saw themselves as fighting Israel were working at cross-purposes: “It is strange that, when a big effort is taken to reopen Rafah crossing to ease the suffering of the people, you see others who go to shell rockets towards the crossing. Or when someone talks about cease-fire and its importance, you find those who go and shell more rockets. Of course, I do not deny that the occupation committed massacres that cannot be justified. But I support negotiations over what can be fixed.”
Some Palestinians will agree with him and others disagree, Mr. Hamad wrote. “But running away from self-confrontation will only cause us more pain.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/28/w...6fccdc690d9&hp&ex=1156824000&partner=homepage
Zionist hard to get to act right......
http://www.adelphia.net/news/read.php?id=13054644&ps=1012&lang=en&_LT=HOME_WLNWC01L3_UNEWS
Wouldnt no muthafucka on this board support this illegal state if it were doing black folks like that, live by the treaty you bunker bomb getting fucks.
They get all this attitude cause of ONE COUNTRY, america.
"why do they hate us"
Fuckouttahere. Why dont we post a israel duex in south america and alienate some more people.
Meanwhile america wants sanctions on iran, but never, ever, ever, ever puts israel in check.
"why do they hate us"
Why must 3 billion of our dollars go to support such an abomination? They dont listen to shit, dont respect nada, they are garbage.
first the raid, now this and good old america will back them up.
"why do they hate us"
Wonder if we rushing these muthafuckas more weapons why they scream all this shit.
"why do they hate us"
Guess the chosen folks can do what they want but when iran says that shit it the end of the world.
Fuck a zionist jew or otherwise. Strap sanctions on one country, strap them on both, how can one say fuck the UN and america is cool, the other does it america aint.
"why do they hate us"
Cause we support this piece of shit called israel, like i said form a jew country in south america with europeans and see how quickly we have a problem.
America is why these zionist got this attitutde and one reason we are targets, time to put these fucks in line.
obey the rules!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fuck IRAN and AL KIDYA and FANATICS and IRAQ, our support of this crack head stepchild is gonna be the death of us. Muthafucka keep stealing and fucking up in the hood(our world) and we keep getting into shit protecting this piece of dung.
Time for tough love or take whats coming when the whole "hood" cant take our lil crackhead acting a fool no mo.
steppin fetchits following zionist scum.
http://www.adelphia.net/news/read.php?id=13054644&ps=1012&lang=en&_LT=HOME_WLNWC01L3_UNEWS
Wouldnt no muthafucka on this board support this illegal state if it were doing black folks like that, live by the treaty you bunker bomb getting fucks.
They get all this attitude cause of ONE COUNTRY, america.
"why do they hate us"
Fuckouttahere. Why dont we post a israel duex in south america and alienate some more people.
Meanwhile america wants sanctions on iran, but never, ever, ever, ever puts israel in check.
"why do they hate us"
Why must 3 billion of our dollars go to support such an abomination? They dont listen to shit, dont respect nada, they are garbage.
first the raid, now this and good old america will back them up.
"why do they hate us"
Wonder if we rushing these muthafuckas more weapons why they scream all this shit.
"why do they hate us"
Guess the chosen folks can do what they want but when iran says that shit it the end of the world.
Fuck a zionist jew or otherwise. Strap sanctions on one country, strap them on both, how can one say fuck the UN and america is cool, the other does it america aint.
"why do they hate us"
Cause we support this piece of shit called israel, like i said form a jew country in south america with europeans and see how quickly we have a problem.
America is why these zionist got this attitutde and one reason we are targets, time to put these fucks in line.
obey the rules!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fuck IRAN and AL KIDYA and FANATICS and IRAQ, our support of this crack head stepchild is gonna be the death of us. Muthafucka keep stealing and fucking up in the hood(our world) and we keep getting into shit protecting this piece of dung.
Time for tough love or take whats coming when the whole "hood" cant take our lil crackhead acting a fool no mo.
steppin fetchits following zionist scum.
Re: Zionist hard to get to act right......
I feel you mane. I have nothin against anybody, but I anit blind, deaf and dumb. Allot of peeps are tho.
I Deal with Reality and not that Fantasy world them Jews/Christians live in.
I feel you mane. I have nothin against anybody, but I anit blind, deaf and dumb. Allot of peeps are tho.
I Deal with Reality and not that Fantasy world them Jews/Christians live in.
Re: Zionist hard to get to act right......
Haven't you heard, we all love Zionists on this board.
Haven't you heard, we all love Zionists on this board.
Re: Zionist hard to get to act right......
The Zionist movement for Israel, within the U.S. is way out of hand. It is funded by those who control the better part of the wealth within the country...Israel has the United States strung out.
On a small scale, you can boycott stores Home Depot and do not purchase newspapers, watch independant news, dont support their "block buster" theme movies. Spend money within your black community, demand respect.
The Zionist movement for Israel, within the U.S. is way out of hand. It is funded by those who control the better part of the wealth within the country...Israel has the United States strung out.
On a small scale, you can boycott stores Home Depot and do not purchase newspapers, watch independant news, dont support their "block buster" theme movies. Spend money within your black community, demand respect.
Re: Zionist hard to get to act right......
SAY WHAT YOU WANT....BUT THEY HAVE A 'PROVEN BUSINESS MODEL'...WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING....IT WORKS ! Here's some more details, of course, no newspaper wanted to publish that, but the momentum is slowly turning. Europe has already position itself on the issue.
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The Israel Lobby and U.S. policy
John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt (2 Respected scholars).
For the past several decades, and especially since the Six-Day War in 1967, the centrepiece of US Middle Eastern policy has been its relationship with Israel. The combination of unwavering support for Israel and the related effort to spread ‘democracy’ throughout the region has inflamed Arab and Islamic opinion and jeopardised not only US security but that of much of the rest of the world. This situation has no equal in American political history. Why has the US been willing to set aside its own security and that of many of its allies in order to advance the interests of another state? One might assume that the bond between the two countries was based on shared strategic interests or compelling moral imperatives, but neither explanation can account for the remarkable level of material and diplomatic support that the US provides....
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
GET YOU HOT said:
SAY WHAT YOU WANT....BUT THEY HAVE A 'PROVEN BUSINESS MODEL'...WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING....IT WORKS ! Here's some more details, of course, no newspaper wanted to publish that, but the momentum is slowly turning. Europe has already position itself on the issue.
------------------------------------------------------------------
The Israel Lobby and U.S. policy
John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt (2 Respected scholars).
For the past several decades, and especially since the Six-Day War in 1967, the centrepiece of US Middle Eastern policy has been its relationship with Israel. The combination of unwavering support for Israel and the related effort to spread ‘democracy’ throughout the region has inflamed Arab and Islamic opinion and jeopardised not only US security but that of much of the rest of the world. This situation has no equal in American political history. Why has the US been willing to set aside its own security and that of many of its allies in order to advance the interests of another state? One might assume that the bond between the two countries was based on shared strategic interests or compelling moral imperatives, but neither explanation can account for the remarkable level of material and diplomatic support that the US provides....
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
Re: Zionist hard to get to act right......
Yeah, but the humanoids are told IRAN is the threat, eeeerrr, first iraq.
The zionist are supported by us causing ALOT of hate and terrorism towards.
Havent checked if Israel violated some rights today, but Ill check.
Glad some people see this evil ass process, and realize zionist aint always got to be jews, but both are just as dangerous as islamic facists.
We can call themzionist facist. hahah
Yeah, but the humanoids are told IRAN is the threat, eeeerrr, first iraq.
The zionist are supported by us causing ALOT of hate and terrorism towards.
Havent checked if Israel violated some rights today, but Ill check.
Glad some people see this evil ass process, and realize zionist aint always got to be jews, but both are just as dangerous as islamic facists.
We can call themzionist facist. hahah
Re: Zionist hard to get to act right......
Isreal's economy is NILL without the United States support.
Unemployment rate is 9% and has shown an increasing trend for the last 6+ years.
Israel, could be classified as a THIRD WORLD country, if it were not for funneling of U.S. $$$$$$...
>> check out some of these figures
Middle East demographics
by Lania Farhat
ISRAEL
Area: 9,019 square miles smaller than New Jersey
Population: 6,352,117
Median age: 29.6
Religions percent: Jewish 76.5; Muslim 15.9; Arab Christian 1.7; Other Christian 0.4; Druze 1.6; Other 3.9
GDP per capita: $24,600
Unemployment rate: 9 percent
GAZA STRIP
Area: 139 square miles twice the size of Washington, D.C.
Population: 1,428,757
Median age: 15.8
Ethnic groups percent: Palestinian Arab 99.4; Jewish 0.6
Religions percent: Muslim 98.7; Christian 0.7; Jewish 0.6
GDP per capita: $600
Unemployment: 30.3 percent
WEST BANK
Area: 2,252 square miles slightly smaller than Delaware
Population: 2,460,942
Median age: 18.3
Ethnic groups percent: Palestinian Arab 83; Jewish 17
Religions percent: Muslim 75; Jewish 17; Christian and other 8
GDP per capita: $1,100
Unemployment rate: 20.3 percent
SYRIA
Area: 71,498 square miles, including Golan Heights in Israel slightly larger than North Dakota
Population: 18,881,361
Median age: 20.7
Ethnic Groups percent: Arab 90.3; Kurds, Armenians, other 9.7
Religions percent: Sunni 74; Alawite, Druze and other 16; Christian 10
GDP per capita: $3,900
Unemployment: 12.3 percent maybe
IRAN
Area: 636,296 square miles larger than Alaska
Population: 68,688,433
Median age: 24.8
Ethnic groups percent: Persian 51; Azeri Turk 24; Gilaki and Mazandarani 8; Kurd 7; Arab 3; Lur 2; Baloch 2; Turkmen 2; other 1
Religions percent: Shia Muslim 89; Sunni 9; Zoroastrian, Jewish, Christian and Baha'i 1.2
GDP per capita: $8,300
Unemployment rate: 11.2 percent I don't believe this
LEBANON
Area: 4,015 square miles 3/4 size of Connecticut
Population: 3,874,050
Median age: 27.8
Ethnic groups percent: Arab 95; Armenian 4; other 1
Religions percent: Muslim 59.7; Christian 39; other 1.3
GDP per capita: $6,200
Unemployment rate: 18 percent
Analysis
Area: Note that Israel, Gaza and West Bank together constitute a little over 11,000 square miles. Only Lebanon, among Arab countries, is smaller. Syria is 71,000 and Iran 636,000, both of which dwarf Israel and the future Palestine. The chart did not include Saudi Arabia 865,000 or Egypt 626,000. How many square miles of territory did "aggressive" Israel take in its 60 years of existence if this is the extent of their area?
Population: Israel's 6 million and the future Palestine's 3 million compare with Syria's almost 18 million, Egypt's and Iran's almost 70 million. The population figures do not tell us what the fertility rate is and the distribution of male to females. These numbers would tell us about volatility and stresses on a population.
Median Age: This figure tells us a good deal about societal volatility. The younger median age and a large ratio of young males to females is a blueprint for violence. The Gaza Strip and West Bank have a median age of 15 and 18, versus Israel's 29. Only sub-Saharan Africa has a worse median age problem than Gaza and West Bank.
Religions: Only Israel, Gaza and the West Bank have Jews, Muslims and Christians in their populations. When Palestine becomes a state, that diversity will stop. Israel's Arab population excluding Gaza and West Bank is almost 18 percent of their total population. There is no Jewish population in any Arab countries and only a small dwindling population in Iran.
Ethnic Groups: Israel and Iran have the most diverse ethnic populations. Lebanon and Syria are next in diversity and in Lebanon, like Iraq, this is not a happy diversity.
GDP per capita: This figure is very significant because it describes the wealth of the nation. According to social scientists, democracy has very limited success in countries with a gross domestic product per capita of $6,000 in today's dollars. The more they have, the better chance democracy has. Note Israel at $26,000 and Gaza at $600 and West Bank at $1,100; the latter two areas have devoted very little to improving the economy and have instead depended upon U.N. handouts and their leaders have siphoned off much in graft. Note also Syria at $3,000 — not a good prognosis for democracy — and Egypt, with a GDP per capita of a little more than $1,000, is not a good democracy candidate either, whereas Lebanon and Iran both are over the threshold.
Also note that the GDP per capita does not take into account maldistribution of money. The average might look respectable, but the gap between top and bottom is not.
Unemployment Rate: This is a most significant figure, which along with young median age and gender loading of males spell out political unrest. Since all of these numbers are provided to the U.N. by the host governments, there is no way to ensure their accuracy. Prosperous and democratic governments provide modern statistics, whereas dictatorships keep embarrassing real numbers close to the chest. Iran's unemployment rate of 11.2 percent is a gross underestimate of what may really be as high as 40 percent. If it were not for the bounty from oil revenues raked in by the government and doled out as subsidies of food and benefits, Iran would be much closer to revolution than it is.
Do have another look at these numbers and think about what they tell you. All the talking heads in the world cannot shrug off these implications.
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2006/August/27/edit/stories/05edit.htm
Isreal's economy is NILL without the United States support.
Unemployment rate is 9% and has shown an increasing trend for the last 6+ years.
Israel, could be classified as a THIRD WORLD country, if it were not for funneling of U.S. $$$$$$...
>> check out some of these figures
Middle East demographics
by Lania Farhat
ISRAEL
Area: 9,019 square miles smaller than New Jersey
Population: 6,352,117
Median age: 29.6
Religions percent: Jewish 76.5; Muslim 15.9; Arab Christian 1.7; Other Christian 0.4; Druze 1.6; Other 3.9
GDP per capita: $24,600
Unemployment rate: 9 percent
GAZA STRIP
Area: 139 square miles twice the size of Washington, D.C.
Population: 1,428,757
Median age: 15.8
Ethnic groups percent: Palestinian Arab 99.4; Jewish 0.6
Religions percent: Muslim 98.7; Christian 0.7; Jewish 0.6
GDP per capita: $600
Unemployment: 30.3 percent
WEST BANK
Area: 2,252 square miles slightly smaller than Delaware
Population: 2,460,942
Median age: 18.3
Ethnic groups percent: Palestinian Arab 83; Jewish 17
Religions percent: Muslim 75; Jewish 17; Christian and other 8
GDP per capita: $1,100
Unemployment rate: 20.3 percent
SYRIA
Area: 71,498 square miles, including Golan Heights in Israel slightly larger than North Dakota
Population: 18,881,361
Median age: 20.7
Ethnic Groups percent: Arab 90.3; Kurds, Armenians, other 9.7
Religions percent: Sunni 74; Alawite, Druze and other 16; Christian 10
GDP per capita: $3,900
Unemployment: 12.3 percent maybe
IRAN
Area: 636,296 square miles larger than Alaska
Population: 68,688,433
Median age: 24.8
Ethnic groups percent: Persian 51; Azeri Turk 24; Gilaki and Mazandarani 8; Kurd 7; Arab 3; Lur 2; Baloch 2; Turkmen 2; other 1
Religions percent: Shia Muslim 89; Sunni 9; Zoroastrian, Jewish, Christian and Baha'i 1.2
GDP per capita: $8,300
Unemployment rate: 11.2 percent I don't believe this
LEBANON
Area: 4,015 square miles 3/4 size of Connecticut
Population: 3,874,050
Median age: 27.8
Ethnic groups percent: Arab 95; Armenian 4; other 1
Religions percent: Muslim 59.7; Christian 39; other 1.3
GDP per capita: $6,200
Unemployment rate: 18 percent
Analysis
Area: Note that Israel, Gaza and West Bank together constitute a little over 11,000 square miles. Only Lebanon, among Arab countries, is smaller. Syria is 71,000 and Iran 636,000, both of which dwarf Israel and the future Palestine. The chart did not include Saudi Arabia 865,000 or Egypt 626,000. How many square miles of territory did "aggressive" Israel take in its 60 years of existence if this is the extent of their area?
Population: Israel's 6 million and the future Palestine's 3 million compare with Syria's almost 18 million, Egypt's and Iran's almost 70 million. The population figures do not tell us what the fertility rate is and the distribution of male to females. These numbers would tell us about volatility and stresses on a population.
Median Age: This figure tells us a good deal about societal volatility. The younger median age and a large ratio of young males to females is a blueprint for violence. The Gaza Strip and West Bank have a median age of 15 and 18, versus Israel's 29. Only sub-Saharan Africa has a worse median age problem than Gaza and West Bank.
Religions: Only Israel, Gaza and the West Bank have Jews, Muslims and Christians in their populations. When Palestine becomes a state, that diversity will stop. Israel's Arab population excluding Gaza and West Bank is almost 18 percent of their total population. There is no Jewish population in any Arab countries and only a small dwindling population in Iran.
Ethnic Groups: Israel and Iran have the most diverse ethnic populations. Lebanon and Syria are next in diversity and in Lebanon, like Iraq, this is not a happy diversity.
GDP per capita: This figure is very significant because it describes the wealth of the nation. According to social scientists, democracy has very limited success in countries with a gross domestic product per capita of $6,000 in today's dollars. The more they have, the better chance democracy has. Note Israel at $26,000 and Gaza at $600 and West Bank at $1,100; the latter two areas have devoted very little to improving the economy and have instead depended upon U.N. handouts and their leaders have siphoned off much in graft. Note also Syria at $3,000 — not a good prognosis for democracy — and Egypt, with a GDP per capita of a little more than $1,000, is not a good democracy candidate either, whereas Lebanon and Iran both are over the threshold.
Also note that the GDP per capita does not take into account maldistribution of money. The average might look respectable, but the gap between top and bottom is not.
Unemployment Rate: This is a most significant figure, which along with young median age and gender loading of males spell out political unrest. Since all of these numbers are provided to the U.N. by the host governments, there is no way to ensure their accuracy. Prosperous and democratic governments provide modern statistics, whereas dictatorships keep embarrassing real numbers close to the chest. Iran's unemployment rate of 11.2 percent is a gross underestimate of what may really be as high as 40 percent. If it were not for the bounty from oil revenues raked in by the government and doled out as subsidies of food and benefits, Iran would be much closer to revolution than it is.
Do have another look at these numbers and think about what they tell you. All the talking heads in the world cannot shrug off these implications.
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2006/August/27/edit/stories/05edit.htm
Israel plans for war with Iran and Syria
<font size="5"><center>Israel plans for war with Iran and Syria</font size></center>
The Sunday Times
Uzi Mahnaimi, Tel Aviv, and Sarah Baxter, New York
September 03, 2006
THREATENED by a potentially nuclear-armed Tehran, Israel is preparing for a possible war with both Iran and Syria, according to Israeli political and military sources.
The conflict with Hezbollah has led to a strategic rethink in Israel. A key conclusion is that too much attention has been paid to Palestinian militants in Gaza and the West Bank instead of the two biggest state sponsors of terrorism in the region, who pose a far greater danger to Israel’s existence, defence insiders say.
“The challenge from Iran and Syria is now top of the Israeli defence agenda, higher than the Palestinian one,” said an Israeli defence source. Shortly before the war in Lebanon Major-General Eliezer Shkedi, the commander of the air force, was placed in charge of the “Iranian front”, a new position in the Israeli Defence Forces. His job will be to command any future strikes on Iran and Syria.
The Israeli defence establishment believes that Iran’s pursuit of a nuclear programme means war is likely to become unavoidable.
“In the past we prepared for a possible military strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities,” said one insider, “but Iran’s growing confidence after the war in Lebanon means we have to prepare for a full-scale war, in which Syria will be an important player.”
A new infantry brigade has been formed named Kfir (lion cub), which will be the largest in the Israeli army. “It is a partial solution for the challenge of the Syrian commando brigades, which are considered better than Hezbollah’s,” a military source said.
There has been grave concern in Israel over a military pact signed in Tehran on June 15 between Iran and Syria, which the Iranian defence minister described as a “mutual front against Israeli threats”. Israel has not had to fight against more than one army since 1973.
During the war in Lebanon, Ali Akbar Mohtashamipour, the Iranian founder of Hezbollah, warned: “If the Americans attack Iran, Iran will attack Tel Aviv with missiles.”
According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London, both Iran and Syria have ballistic missiles that can cover most of Israel, including Tel Aviv. An emergency budget has now been assigned to building modern shelters.
“The ineptness of the Israeli Defence Forces against Hezbollah has raised the Iranians’ confidence,” said a leading defence analyst.
In Washington, the military hawks believe that an airstrike against Iranian nuclear bunkers remains a more straightforward, if risky, operation than chasing Hezbollah fighters and their mobile rocket launchers in Lebanon.
“Fixed targets are hopelessly vulnerable to precision bombing, and with stealth bombers even a robust air defence system doesn’t make much difference,” said <u>Richard Perle</u>, a leading neoconservative.
The option of an eventual attack remains on the table after President George Bush warned on Friday that Iran must not be allowed to develop nuclear weapons.
While the American State Department favours engaging with President Bashar Assad of Syria in the hope of detaching him from the Iranian alliance, hawks believe Israel missed a golden opportunity to strike at Syria during the Hezbollah conflict.
“If they had acted against Syria during this last kerfuffle, the war might have ended more quickly and better,” Perle added. “Syrian military installations are sitting ducks and the Syrian air force could have been destroyed on the ground in a couple of days.” Assad set off alarm bells in Israel when he said during the war in Lebanon: “If we do not obtain the occupied Golan Heights by peaceful means, the resistance option is there.”
During the 1973 Arab-Israeli war, the Syrian army briefly captured the Israeli strategic post on top of Mount Hermon on the Golan Heights.
Some Israeli analysts believe Syria will try again to take this post, which overlooks the Syrian capital, Damascus.
As a result of the change in the defence priorities, the budget for the Israeli forces in the West Bank and Gaza is to be reduced.
The Israelis are integrating three elite brigades that performed well during the Lebanon war under one headquarters, so they can work together on deep cross-border operations in Iran and Syria.
Advocates of political engagement believe a war with Syria could unleash Islamic fundamentalist terror in what has hitherto been a stable dictatorship. Some voices in the Pentagon are not impressed by that argument.
“If Syria spirals into chaos, at least they’ll be taking on each other rather than heading for Jerusalem,” said one insider.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2340486_1,00.html
<font size="5"><center>Israel plans for war with Iran and Syria</font size></center>
The Sunday Times
Uzi Mahnaimi, Tel Aviv, and Sarah Baxter, New York
September 03, 2006
THREATENED by a potentially nuclear-armed Tehran, Israel is preparing for a possible war with both Iran and Syria, according to Israeli political and military sources.
The conflict with Hezbollah has led to a strategic rethink in Israel. A key conclusion is that too much attention has been paid to Palestinian militants in Gaza and the West Bank instead of the two biggest state sponsors of terrorism in the region, who pose a far greater danger to Israel’s existence, defence insiders say.
“The challenge from Iran and Syria is now top of the Israeli defence agenda, higher than the Palestinian one,” said an Israeli defence source. Shortly before the war in Lebanon Major-General Eliezer Shkedi, the commander of the air force, was placed in charge of the “Iranian front”, a new position in the Israeli Defence Forces. His job will be to command any future strikes on Iran and Syria.
The Israeli defence establishment believes that Iran’s pursuit of a nuclear programme means war is likely to become unavoidable.
“In the past we prepared for a possible military strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities,” said one insider, “but Iran’s growing confidence after the war in Lebanon means we have to prepare for a full-scale war, in which Syria will be an important player.”
A new infantry brigade has been formed named Kfir (lion cub), which will be the largest in the Israeli army. “It is a partial solution for the challenge of the Syrian commando brigades, which are considered better than Hezbollah’s,” a military source said.
There has been grave concern in Israel over a military pact signed in Tehran on June 15 between Iran and Syria, which the Iranian defence minister described as a “mutual front against Israeli threats”. Israel has not had to fight against more than one army since 1973.
During the war in Lebanon, Ali Akbar Mohtashamipour, the Iranian founder of Hezbollah, warned: “If the Americans attack Iran, Iran will attack Tel Aviv with missiles.”
According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London, both Iran and Syria have ballistic missiles that can cover most of Israel, including Tel Aviv. An emergency budget has now been assigned to building modern shelters.
“The ineptness of the Israeli Defence Forces against Hezbollah has raised the Iranians’ confidence,” said a leading defence analyst.
In Washington, the military hawks believe that an airstrike against Iranian nuclear bunkers remains a more straightforward, if risky, operation than chasing Hezbollah fighters and their mobile rocket launchers in Lebanon.
“Fixed targets are hopelessly vulnerable to precision bombing, and with stealth bombers even a robust air defence system doesn’t make much difference,” said <u>Richard Perle</u>, a leading neoconservative.
The option of an eventual attack remains on the table after President George Bush warned on Friday that Iran must not be allowed to develop nuclear weapons.
While the American State Department favours engaging with President Bashar Assad of Syria in the hope of detaching him from the Iranian alliance, hawks believe Israel missed a golden opportunity to strike at Syria during the Hezbollah conflict.
“If they had acted against Syria during this last kerfuffle, the war might have ended more quickly and better,” Perle added. “Syrian military installations are sitting ducks and the Syrian air force could have been destroyed on the ground in a couple of days.” Assad set off alarm bells in Israel when he said during the war in Lebanon: “If we do not obtain the occupied Golan Heights by peaceful means, the resistance option is there.”
During the 1973 Arab-Israeli war, the Syrian army briefly captured the Israeli strategic post on top of Mount Hermon on the Golan Heights.
Some Israeli analysts believe Syria will try again to take this post, which overlooks the Syrian capital, Damascus.
As a result of the change in the defence priorities, the budget for the Israeli forces in the West Bank and Gaza is to be reduced.
The Israelis are integrating three elite brigades that performed well during the Lebanon war under one headquarters, so they can work together on deep cross-border operations in Iran and Syria.
Advocates of political engagement believe a war with Syria could unleash Islamic fundamentalist terror in what has hitherto been a stable dictatorship. Some voices in the Pentagon are not impressed by that argument.
“If Syria spirals into chaos, at least they’ll be taking on each other rather than heading for Jerusalem,” said one insider.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2340486_1,00.html
<font size="5"><center>Israel fears war crime trials</font size></center>
The Standard
Tuesday, September 05, 2006
Three weeks after a cease-fire ended its war against Hezbollah guerrillas, Israel is increasingly worried that government officials and army officers traveling abroad may face war crimes charges over the country's actions in Lebanon.
A Foreign Ministry official said a legal team is preparing to provide protection for officers and officials involved in the 34-day conflict.
Some 1,200 Lebanese and 200 Palestinians, mostly civilians, have died in operations launched in Lebanon and Gaza after three Israeli soldiers were abducted in two border raids.
Israel has said all its actions were legal and accused Hezbollah of hiding among civilians and targeting Israeli civilians with rocket attacks.
The fighting also left 159 Israelis dead, including 39 civilians hit by rockets in Israel's northern cities.
The Foreign Ministry official said the legal defense team, which includes representatives from the Justice and Defense ministries, is maintained by the government to help officials facing the possibility of war crimes charges abroad. It was first put together to deal with charges related to Israeli actions in the West Bank and Gaza.
Israel, which insists its armed forces act within international norms and accuses its foes of inviting civilian casualties by operating within populated areas, is also warning civil servants and military officers to watch what they say about the Lebanese and Palestinian conflicts. Some talk, it fears could invite war-crimes lawsuits.
A ministry memorandum issued to Israel's military and other government agencies urges officials to avoid belligerent remarks that could potentially be used to back up allegations they were complicit in excessive use of force.
"The type of language now considered off-limits includes `crushing' the enemy, and `cleansing,' `leveling' or `wiping out' suspected enemy emplacements," said a source who saw the memo. The memo also censures an official who called for Israel to respond to rockets on the port city of Haifa by "getting rid of a village in Lebanon."
The memo says numerous war crimes lawsuits against Israeli officials are being prepared. It cites venues such as France, Belgium and Britain.
Three Moroccan lawyers said last month they were suing Israeli Defense Minister Amir Peretz over the recent offensives in Lebanon and Gaza.
And Israel Radio reported that a Danish lawmaker tried to have Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni detained and prosecuted during a recent visit to Copenhagen, but a request for an arrest warrant was rejected by prosecutors.
Israeli fears of prosecution abroad are also based on earlier experience.
Arriving in London last year, Doron Almog, a retired general who had commanded Israeli forces in Gaza, was tipped off by an Israeli diplomat that he was about to be arrested by British authorities over a 2002 airstrike that killed a Hamas leader and 14 others, nine of them children. Almog remained on the aircraft and returned to Israel.
In 2001, then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon faced a lawsuit in Belgium over his role in a 1982 massacre in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Beirut.
Several former Israeli army chiefs of staff have also been targeted. But none of the cases have succeeded.
Daniel Machover, a British attorney involved in attempts to prosecute Israeli officers said he knew of "at least two" teams compiling evidence in Lebanon.
ASSOCIATED PRESS, REUTERS
http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=17&art_id=26582&sid=9731506&con_type=1
The Standard
Tuesday, September 05, 2006
Three weeks after a cease-fire ended its war against Hezbollah guerrillas, Israel is increasingly worried that government officials and army officers traveling abroad may face war crimes charges over the country's actions in Lebanon.
A Foreign Ministry official said a legal team is preparing to provide protection for officers and officials involved in the 34-day conflict.
Some 1,200 Lebanese and 200 Palestinians, mostly civilians, have died in operations launched in Lebanon and Gaza after three Israeli soldiers were abducted in two border raids.
Israel has said all its actions were legal and accused Hezbollah of hiding among civilians and targeting Israeli civilians with rocket attacks.
The fighting also left 159 Israelis dead, including 39 civilians hit by rockets in Israel's northern cities.
The Foreign Ministry official said the legal defense team, which includes representatives from the Justice and Defense ministries, is maintained by the government to help officials facing the possibility of war crimes charges abroad. It was first put together to deal with charges related to Israeli actions in the West Bank and Gaza.
Israel, which insists its armed forces act within international norms and accuses its foes of inviting civilian casualties by operating within populated areas, is also warning civil servants and military officers to watch what they say about the Lebanese and Palestinian conflicts. Some talk, it fears could invite war-crimes lawsuits.
A ministry memorandum issued to Israel's military and other government agencies urges officials to avoid belligerent remarks that could potentially be used to back up allegations they were complicit in excessive use of force.
"The type of language now considered off-limits includes `crushing' the enemy, and `cleansing,' `leveling' or `wiping out' suspected enemy emplacements," said a source who saw the memo. The memo also censures an official who called for Israel to respond to rockets on the port city of Haifa by "getting rid of a village in Lebanon."
The memo says numerous war crimes lawsuits against Israeli officials are being prepared. It cites venues such as France, Belgium and Britain.
Three Moroccan lawyers said last month they were suing Israeli Defense Minister Amir Peretz over the recent offensives in Lebanon and Gaza.
And Israel Radio reported that a Danish lawmaker tried to have Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni detained and prosecuted during a recent visit to Copenhagen, but a request for an arrest warrant was rejected by prosecutors.
Israeli fears of prosecution abroad are also based on earlier experience.
Arriving in London last year, Doron Almog, a retired general who had commanded Israeli forces in Gaza, was tipped off by an Israeli diplomat that he was about to be arrested by British authorities over a 2002 airstrike that killed a Hamas leader and 14 others, nine of them children. Almog remained on the aircraft and returned to Israel.
In 2001, then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon faced a lawsuit in Belgium over his role in a 1982 massacre in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Beirut.
Several former Israeli army chiefs of staff have also been targeted. But none of the cases have succeeded.
Daniel Machover, a British attorney involved in attempts to prosecute Israeli officers said he knew of "at least two" teams compiling evidence in Lebanon.
ASSOCIATED PRESS, REUTERS
http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=17&art_id=26582&sid=9731506&con_type=1
Re: Israel fears war crime trials
Israel IS a war crime.
Lets see what comes out of this, more united states backing of this shit hole abomination. They will put pressure on muthafuckas to not do this.
Of course america aided them while all this was going on. Much like they did sodam and now he is getting tried so who the fuck knows.
I know the zionist shady, but we got some non zionist round here shady to, just not as many.
Israel IS a war crime.
Lets see what comes out of this, more united states backing of this shit hole abomination. They will put pressure on muthafuckas to not do this.
Of course america aided them while all this was going on. Much like they did sodam and now he is getting tried so who the fuck knows.
I know the zionist shady, but we got some non zionist round here shady to, just not as many.
<font size="5"><center>“Lebanese Security” Is the Pretext for the Naval
Babel around Lebanon’s Shores </font size></center>
DEBKAfile Exclusive Military Report
September 4, 2006, 11:37 AM (GMT+02:00)
The extraordinary buildup of European naval and military strength in and around Lebanon’s shores is way out of proportion for the task the European contingents of expanded UNIFIL have undertaken: to create a buffer between Israel and Hizballah.
Close investigation by DEBKAfile’s military and intelligence sources discloses that “Lebanese security” and peacemaking is not the object of the exercise. It is linked to the general anticipation of a military clash between the United States and Israel, on one side, and Iran and possibly Syria on the other, some time from now until November
This expectation has brought together the greatest sea and air armada Europe has ever assembled at any point on earth since World War II: two carriers with 75 fighter-bombers, spy planes and helicopters on their decks; 15 warships of various types – 7 French, 5 Italian, 2-3 Green, 3-5 German, and five American; thousands of Marines – French, Italian and German, as well as 1,800 US Marines.
It is improbably billed as support for a mere 7,000 European soldiers who are deployed in Lebanon to prevent the dwindling Israeli force of 4-5,000 soldiers and some 15-16,000 Hizballah militiamen from coming to blows as well as for humanitarian odd jobs.
A Western military expert remarked to DEBKAfile that the European naval forces cruising off Lebanese shores are roughly ten times as much as the UNIFIL contingents require as cover, especially when UNIFIL’s duties are strictly non-combat. After all, none of the UN contingents will be engaged in disarming Hizballah or blocking the flow of weapons incoming from Syria and Iran.
So, if not for Lebanon, what is this fine array of naval power really there for?
First, according to our military sources, the European participants feel the need of a strong naval presence in the eastern Mediterranean to prevent a possible Iranian-US-Israeli war igniting an Iranian long-range Shahab missile attack on Europe; second, as a deterrent to dissuade Syria and Hizballah from opening a second front against American and Israel from their eastern Mediterranean coasts.
Numbers alone do not do justice to the immense operational capabilities and firepower amassed opposite Lebanon. Take first the three fleet flagships.
From France’s nuclear-powered 38,000-ton Charles De Gaulle carrier (see insignia), 40 Rafale M fighter craft whose range is 3,340 km can take off at intervals of 30 seconds. The ship also carries three E-2C Hawkeye surveillance craft. The combat control center of the French carrier can handle 2,000 simultaneous targets. The carrier leads a task fore of 7 warships carrying 2,800 French Marines.
Charles De Gaulle s also a floating logistics center operating water desalination plants for 15,000 men and enough food to feed an army for 90 days.
The USS Mount Whitney has the most sophisticated command and control suite in the world. Like the French Charles De Gaulle , it exercises command over a task force of 1,800 sailors, Marines, Air force medical and other personnel serving aboard the USS Barry, the USS Trenton , HSV Swift and USNS Kanawha .
Available to the fleet commander, US Vice Admiral J. “Boomer” Stufflebeem, formally titled commander of Joint Task Force Lebanon, is the uniquely advanced C41 command and intelligence system through which he can flash intelligence data to every American commander at any point between the eastern Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf and Iran. USS Mount Whitney communications are described as unsurpassed for the the secure transmission of data from any point to any other point in the world through HF, UHF,VHF, SHF and EHF.
The third carrier joining the other two is the Italian aircraft-helicopter carrier Garibaldi , which has launch pads for vertical takeoff by 16 AV-8B Harrier fighter-bombers or 18 Sikorsky SH-3D Seak King sea-choppers (or Italian Agusta Bell AB212 helicopters), designed to attack submarines and missile ships.
Military experts estimate that the Garibaldi currently carries 10 fighter planes and 6 helicopters.
The new European naval concentration tops up the forces which permanently crowd the eastern Mediterranean: the Italian-based American Sixth Fleet, some 15 small Israeli missile ships and half a dozen submarines and the NATO fleet of Canadian, British, Dutch, German, Spanish, Greek and Turkish warships. They are on patrol against al Qaeda (which is estimated to deploy 45 small freighters in the Mediterranean and Indian Ocean). The British have permanent air and sea bases in Cyprus.
This vast force’s main weakness, according to DEBKAfile’s military sources, is that it lacks a single unified command. A sudden flare-up in Lebanon, Syria or Iran could throw the entire force into confusion.
On paper, it has three commanders:
1. French General Alain Pellegrini is the commander of the expanded UNIFIL ground, naval and air force in Lebanon. In February 2007, he hands over to an Italian general who leads the largest of the European contingents of 3,000 men. It is hard to see France agreeing to place its prestigious Charles De Gaulle flagship under non-French command.
2. The American forces opposite Lebanese shores are under direct US command. Since the October 1993 debacle of an American peace force under the UN flag in Somalia, Washington has never again placed its military under UN command. (There is no American contingent in the UNIFIL ground force either.)
In other words, USS Mount Whitney , while serving the European fleets as their operational and intelligence nerve center will stay under the sole command of Vice Admiral Stufflebeem in all possible contingencies.
3. Similarly, the NATO fleet will remain under NATO command, and Israel’s air and naval units will take their orders from Israeli Navy Headquarters in Haifa and the General Staff in Tel Aviv.
The naval Babel piling up in the eastern Mediterranean may therefore find itself at cross purposes when action is needed in an armed conflict. Iran, Syria and Hizballah could be counting on this weakness as a tactical asset in their favor.
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1208
Babel around Lebanon’s Shores </font size></center>
DEBKAfile Exclusive Military Report
September 4, 2006, 11:37 AM (GMT+02:00)
The extraordinary buildup of European naval and military strength in and around Lebanon’s shores is way out of proportion for the task the European contingents of expanded UNIFIL have undertaken: to create a buffer between Israel and Hizballah.
Close investigation by DEBKAfile’s military and intelligence sources discloses that “Lebanese security” and peacemaking is not the object of the exercise. It is linked to the general anticipation of a military clash between the United States and Israel, on one side, and Iran and possibly Syria on the other, some time from now until November
This expectation has brought together the greatest sea and air armada Europe has ever assembled at any point on earth since World War II: two carriers with 75 fighter-bombers, spy planes and helicopters on their decks; 15 warships of various types – 7 French, 5 Italian, 2-3 Green, 3-5 German, and five American; thousands of Marines – French, Italian and German, as well as 1,800 US Marines.
It is improbably billed as support for a mere 7,000 European soldiers who are deployed in Lebanon to prevent the dwindling Israeli force of 4-5,000 soldiers and some 15-16,000 Hizballah militiamen from coming to blows as well as for humanitarian odd jobs.
A Western military expert remarked to DEBKAfile that the European naval forces cruising off Lebanese shores are roughly ten times as much as the UNIFIL contingents require as cover, especially when UNIFIL’s duties are strictly non-combat. After all, none of the UN contingents will be engaged in disarming Hizballah or blocking the flow of weapons incoming from Syria and Iran.
So, if not for Lebanon, what is this fine array of naval power really there for?
First, according to our military sources, the European participants feel the need of a strong naval presence in the eastern Mediterranean to prevent a possible Iranian-US-Israeli war igniting an Iranian long-range Shahab missile attack on Europe; second, as a deterrent to dissuade Syria and Hizballah from opening a second front against American and Israel from their eastern Mediterranean coasts.
Numbers alone do not do justice to the immense operational capabilities and firepower amassed opposite Lebanon. Take first the three fleet flagships.
From France’s nuclear-powered 38,000-ton Charles De Gaulle carrier (see insignia), 40 Rafale M fighter craft whose range is 3,340 km can take off at intervals of 30 seconds. The ship also carries three E-2C Hawkeye surveillance craft. The combat control center of the French carrier can handle 2,000 simultaneous targets. The carrier leads a task fore of 7 warships carrying 2,800 French Marines.
Charles De Gaulle s also a floating logistics center operating water desalination plants for 15,000 men and enough food to feed an army for 90 days.
The USS Mount Whitney has the most sophisticated command and control suite in the world. Like the French Charles De Gaulle , it exercises command over a task force of 1,800 sailors, Marines, Air force medical and other personnel serving aboard the USS Barry, the USS Trenton , HSV Swift and USNS Kanawha .
Available to the fleet commander, US Vice Admiral J. “Boomer” Stufflebeem, formally titled commander of Joint Task Force Lebanon, is the uniquely advanced C41 command and intelligence system through which he can flash intelligence data to every American commander at any point between the eastern Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf and Iran. USS Mount Whitney communications are described as unsurpassed for the the secure transmission of data from any point to any other point in the world through HF, UHF,VHF, SHF and EHF.
The third carrier joining the other two is the Italian aircraft-helicopter carrier Garibaldi , which has launch pads for vertical takeoff by 16 AV-8B Harrier fighter-bombers or 18 Sikorsky SH-3D Seak King sea-choppers (or Italian Agusta Bell AB212 helicopters), designed to attack submarines and missile ships.
Military experts estimate that the Garibaldi currently carries 10 fighter planes and 6 helicopters.
The new European naval concentration tops up the forces which permanently crowd the eastern Mediterranean: the Italian-based American Sixth Fleet, some 15 small Israeli missile ships and half a dozen submarines and the NATO fleet of Canadian, British, Dutch, German, Spanish, Greek and Turkish warships. They are on patrol against al Qaeda (which is estimated to deploy 45 small freighters in the Mediterranean and Indian Ocean). The British have permanent air and sea bases in Cyprus.
This vast force’s main weakness, according to DEBKAfile’s military sources, is that it lacks a single unified command. A sudden flare-up in Lebanon, Syria or Iran could throw the entire force into confusion.
On paper, it has three commanders:
1. French General Alain Pellegrini is the commander of the expanded UNIFIL ground, naval and air force in Lebanon. In February 2007, he hands over to an Italian general who leads the largest of the European contingents of 3,000 men. It is hard to see France agreeing to place its prestigious Charles De Gaulle flagship under non-French command.
2. The American forces opposite Lebanese shores are under direct US command. Since the October 1993 debacle of an American peace force under the UN flag in Somalia, Washington has never again placed its military under UN command. (There is no American contingent in the UNIFIL ground force either.)
In other words, USS Mount Whitney , while serving the European fleets as their operational and intelligence nerve center will stay under the sole command of Vice Admiral Stufflebeem in all possible contingencies.
3. Similarly, the NATO fleet will remain under NATO command, and Israel’s air and naval units will take their orders from Israeli Navy Headquarters in Haifa and the General Staff in Tel Aviv.
The naval Babel piling up in the eastern Mediterranean may therefore find itself at cross purposes when action is needed in an armed conflict. Iran, Syria and Hizballah could be counting on this weakness as a tactical asset in their favor.
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1208