Is it appropriate for Govt to use fear tactics to advance a political agenda ?

[BigUnc]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

One thing you can't say about Bush is this. When he used the "fear" card, it was for good reason.

You can't be serious bro?....You don't really mean there is "good reason" for the government to scare the populace on purpose.

 

[actinanass]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

You can't be serious bro?....You don't really mean there is "good reason" for the government to scare the populace on purpose.

I guess you believe that 9-11 was fixed too..

 

[BigUnc]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

I guess you believe that 9-11 was fixed too..

Doesn't matter what I think of 9-11.

I'll rephrase my question:

Do you believe there is a time when it is appropriate for the government to deliberately use fear tactics on the population in order to advance a political agenda?

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

Doesn't matter what I think of 9-11.

I'll rephrase my question:

Do you believe there is a time when it is appropriate for the government to deliberately use fear tactics on the population in order to advance a political agenda?

Do you believe there is a time when it is appropriate for the government to deliberately use fear tactics on the population in order to advance a political agenda?

I give Bush a pass on some shit *because of 9-11*. One thing you can't say about Bush is this. When he used the "fear" card, it was for good reason.

I think in classical psychoanalysis, that is called a 'Freudian slip'.

Notice actinanass hasn't been back in this thread to defend that lunacy.

Do you need more proof that the conservative wing nuts are criminals! Their entire thought process is fucked up!

 

[QueEx]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

Doesn't matter what I think of 9-11.

I'll rephrase my question:

<font size="3">Do you believe there is a time when it is appropriate for the government to deliberately use fear tactics on the population in order to advance a political agenda?</font size>

Seriously,

I would rate this as among:

Certainly, the question raises another interesting question (beyond the context with AAA): does the mere mention of a probable or even possible consequence of an action being proposed, constitute a fear tactic ??? - probably best explored in another thread. Still, interesting.

QueEx

 

[tp2001]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

Seriously,

I would rate this as among:

IMO, I rate what he asked as among the easiest questions ever....

I can NEVER think there is a time appropriate for the government to deliberately use fear tactics on the population at ANY point...

There can be explanation for this if needed...

 

[QueEx]

IMO, I rate what he asked as among the easiest questions ever....

I can NEVER think there is a time appropriate for the government to deliberately use fear tactics on the population at ANY point...

There can be explanation for this if needed...

I would agree except that the easy part, "NEVER", becomes problematic when we're faced with whether its a deliberate<s>ly</s> use [of] fear tactics".

No?

QueEx

 

[thoughtone]

The entire cold war period was dedicated to fabricated fear. The fear mongers have stolen 80% of our economy over the last 50 years based on this.

 

[Lamarr]

Never a good reason for the gov to use "fear" tactics!

when people fear the govt, you have tyranny
when the govt fear the people, you have freedom

 

[QueEx]

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How does one differentiate between
Fear Tactic and Informing the Public ? ? ?

Is there a difference ??
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[thoughtone]

Never a good reason for the gov to use "fear" tactics!

when people fear the govt, you have tyranny
when the govt fear the people, you have freedom

...and when you fear corporations, your standard of living falls.

 

[thoughtone]

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How does one differentiate between
Fear Tactic and Informing the Public ? ? ?

Is there a difference ??
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FDR 1935 Inaugural Address:

"I am certain that my fellow Americans expect that on my induction into the Presidency I will address them with a candor and a decision which the present situation of our people impel. This is preeminently the time to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Nor need we shrink from honestly facing conditions in our country today. This great Nation will endure as it has endured, will revive and will prosper. So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days."

 

[Lamarr]

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How does one differentiate between
Fear Tactic and Informing the Public ? ? ?

Is there a difference ??
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good question but I would guess that "fear tactics" are driven by agendas, whereas, "informing the Public" has no beneficiary. Just a short answer, however, its up to whoever is interpreting the messege. A lot of time it simply comes down to trust

 

[actinanass]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

You can't be serious bro?....You don't really mean there is "good reason" for the government to scare the populace on purpose.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

Maybe I used the wrong word.

I should of used "awareness". How 9-11 happened, people wasn't aware enough to notice anything suspicious.

 

[QueEx]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

Maybe I used the wrong word.

I should of used "awareness". How 9-11 happened, people wasn't aware enough to notice anything suspicious.

I think you should have answered the question in the "Violence at Tampa health care forum" thread. This thread isn't about what you said or meant, this discussion is about the situational ethics of using fear tactics against the general population to further a political purpose.

QueEx

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

I think you misunderstood what I was saying.
Maybe I used the wrong word.

I should of used "awareness". How 9-11 happened, people wasn't aware enough to notice anything suspicious.

I give Bush a pass on some shit *because of 9-11*. One thing you can't say about Bush is this. When he used the "fear" card, it was for good reason.

On the other hand, that stimulus haven't worked at all. Not to mention, we all know how to bring more jobs out. Bad thing about it, Obama disagrees with that style.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

Maybe I used the wrong word.

I give Bush a pass on some shit *because of 9-11*. One thing you can't say about Bush is this. When he used the "fear" card, it was for good reason.

he used the "fear" card, it was for good reason.

Sounds pretty damn plain to me. You revealed your true self in a fit of right wing/conservative vitriol.

I find it interesting, no convenient that you didn’t answer the original question in the original thread.

You are so typical and predicable. Others seem to feel that they have to ask you questions as if you will shed some different perspective on an issue. I find you among the common uneducated wing nut wacko minority!

Now you can respond with san insult totally unrelated to this or the original question, which based on your history on this board, is what you fall back to when you have been owned!

 

[QueEx]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

 

[BigUnc]

This is a question I asked myself back during the Orange alert days that seem to always happen at a time when the previous administration had a pressing issue in which it needed to galvanize support among the population.


My answer was and still is that if the government has a pre-determined outcome it wishes to achieve and deliberately and actively uses it's resources to strike fear in the population way out of proportion to the threat to achieve that outcome then it loses a certain level of credibility depending on the circumstances.

Blurry line(s) I'm drawing but where is the single bright line that we as the public can delineate between aggressively advancing a political agenda and duping us into supporting an agenda through fear mongering tactics?


BigUnc

 

[QueEx]

Sen. Lisa Murkowski
<font size="3">R-Alaska</font size>

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U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski on Tuesday [August 11, 2009] told an Anchorage [Alaska] crowd that critics of health care reform, the summer's hottest political topic, aren't helping the debate by throwing out highly charged assertions not based in fact.

<SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">"It does us no good to incite fear</span> in people by saying that there's these end-of-life provisions, these death panels," Murkowski, a Republican, said. "Quite honestly, I'm so offended at that terminology because it absolutely isn't (in the bill). <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">There is no reason to gin up fear in the American public</span> by saying things that are not included in the bill."


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Extracted from: Murkowski: Don't tell lies about the health-care reform bill


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[actinanass]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

Sounds pretty damn plain to me. You revealed your true self in a fit of right wing/conservative vitriol.

I find it interesting, no convenient that you didn’t answer the original question in the original thread.

You are so typical and predicable. Others seem to feel that they have to ask you questions as if you will shed some different perspective on an issue. I find you among the common uneducated wing nut wacko minority!

Now you can respond with san insult totally unrelated to this or the original question, which based on your history on this board, is what you fall back to when you have been owned!

I see the pot calling the kettle......

Look dude, I made a bad choice of words. I really meant being aware more than being fearful. However, you think being aware is being fearful. So basically, I'm talking to an useful idiot when it comes to this subject.

If you think you won on this subject, keep on thinking that. I know what I meant. BTW, I didn't see a problem when it came to you supporting Obama's stimulus. Right, this isn't about YOU huh? It's about that uneducated, black, conservative that speak his mind.

Oh yea, the difference between a right wingnut, and a left wingnut. The left wingnut bleeds 3 days out the month.

*thought keeps on provoking me QUE*

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

I see the pot calling the kettle......

Look dude, I made a bad choice of words. I really meant being aware more than being fearful. However, you think being aware is being fearful. So basically, I'm talking to an useful idiot when it comes to this subject.

If you think you won on this subject, keep on thinking that. I know what I meant. BTW, I didn't see a problem when it came to you supporting Obama's stimulus. Right, this isn't about YOU huh? It's about that uneducated, black, conservative that speak his mind.

Oh yea, the difference between a right wingnut, and a left wingnut. The left wingnut bleeds 3 days out the month.

*thought keeps on provoking me QUE*

You are one giant ‘bad choice of words’!

 

[actinanass]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

You are one giant ‘bad choice of words’!

I guess you're in one of your political cycles again....

Go rewind the inauguration speech again....

 

[QueEx]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

One thing you can't say about Bush is this. When he used the "fear" card, it was for good reason.

You can't be serious bro?....You don't really mean there is "good reason" for the government to scare the populace on purpose.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

Maybe I used the wrong word.

I should of used "awareness". How 9-11 happened, people wasn't aware enough to notice anything suspicious.

Lets see here; lets re-word the statement using your new word:

"One thing you can't say about Bush is this. When he used the <s>"fear"</s> <u>"awareness"</u> card, it was for good reason."​

Is there really a difference ? ? ?

It was okay for Bush to use "Awareness" to scare the shit out of people ???

Most people would say, you're full of, ahem, awareness.

QueEx

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

Lets see here; lets re-word the statement using your new word:

"One thing you can't say about Bush is this. When he used the <s>"fear"</s> <u>"awareness"</u> card, it was for good reason."​

Is there really a difference ? ? ?

It was okay for Bush to use "Awareness" to scare the shit out of people ???

Most people would say, you're full of, ahem, awareness.

QueEx

QueEx, your parsing, of actinanass's sub IQ comments are too much!

 

[actinanass]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

Lets see here; lets re-word the statement using your new word:

"One thing you can't say about Bush is this. When he used the <s>"fear"</s> <u>"awareness"</u> card, it was for good reason."​

Is there really a difference ? ? ?

It was okay for Bush to use "Awareness" to scare the shit out of people ???

Most people would say, you're full of, ahem, awareness.

QueEx

Saying "fear" is subjective. What scares me, might not scares you Que. However, you might think if you are scared, 4/5's of America is scared. BTW, what would you say if Bush didn't have the type of threat levels right after 9/11? Honestly, in most of this board's eyes, Bush really couldn't do anything right. I'm probably the only person that gave Bush a pass on a number of situations he was in, on this board. Do I agree with Bush on everything HELL FUCKING NO!!! I do understand their logic about such things.

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

Saying "fear" is subjective. What scares me, might not scares you Que. However, you might think if you are scared, 4/5's of America is scared. BTW, what would you say if Bush didn't have the type of threat levels right after 9/11? Honestly, in most of this board's eyes, Bush really couldn't do anything right. I'm probably the only person that gave Bush a pass on a number of situations he was in, on this board. Do I agree with Bush on everything HELL FUCKING NO!!! I do understand their logic about such things.

 

[QueEx]

Sen. Lisa Murkowski
<font size="3">R-Alaska</font size>

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U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski on Tuesday [August 11, 2009] told an Anchorage [Alaska] crowd that critics of health care reform, the summer's hottest political topic, aren't helping the debate by throwing out highly charged assertions not based in fact.

<SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">"It does us no good to incite fear</span> in people by saying that there's these end-of-life provisions, these death panels," Murkowski, a Republican, said. "Quite honestly, I'm so offended at that terminology because it absolutely isn't (in the bill). <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">There is no reason to gin up fear in the American public</span> by saying things that are not included in the bill."


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Extracted from: Murkowski: Don't tell lies about the health-care reform bill


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<font size="3">Actinanass,

You don't think Senator Murkowski deserves applause for her stance ??? If you do, you haven't recognized her, here.

QueEx

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[QueEx]

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[actinanass]

<font size="3">Actinanass,

You don't think Senator Murkowski deserves applause for her stance ??? If you do, you haven't recognized her, here.

QueEx

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Maybe because I really don't care about her stance. I've read the bill, and I do find some things can happen in the future with it. *including death panels*

The language of the bill creates a nice size loophole that future admins can exploit if they want.

Personally, I support the tax credit for health insurance plan over all of this.

 

[thoughtone]

Maybe because I really don't care about her stance. I've read the bill, and I do find some things can happen in the future with it. *including death panels*

The language of the bill creates a nice size loophole that future admins can exploit if they want.

Personally, I support the tax credit for health insurance plan over all of this.

I've read the bill

You’re a damn lie. Post the section of the bill that states that..

 

[QueEx]

Maybe because I really don't care about her stance. I've read the bill, and I do find some things can happen in the future with it. *including death panels

You're killing me.

(1) Post the Bill; and

(2) Point out WHERE in the Bill you post it mentions death panels.

The language of the bill creates a nice size loophole that future admins can exploit if they want.

Post the Bill & Point out the language.

Personally, I support the tax credit for health insurance plan over all of this.

Of course you do; you're already receiving a government hand-out for your Postal employee insurance.

QueEx

 

[QueEx]

Re: Violence at Tampa health care forum

One thing you can't say about Bush is this. When [Bush] used the "fear" card, it was for good reason.

Saying "fear" is subjective. What scares me, might not scares you Que. However, you might think if you are scared, 4/5's of America is scared. BTW, what would you say if Bush didn't have the type of threat levels right after 9/11? Honestly, in most of this board's eyes, Bush really couldn't do anything right. I'm probably the only person that gave Bush a pass on a number of situations he was in, on this board. Do I agree with Bush on everything HELL FUCKING NO!!! I do understand their logic about such things.

<font size="3">Looks like you knew exactly what you were talking about.

Former Department of Homeland Security Chief Tom Ridge says Bush admin pressured him to raise terror warning before the 2004 election.


QueEx

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[actinanass]

You're killing me.

(1) Post the Bill; and

(2) Point out WHERE in the Bill you post it mentions death panels.





Post the Bill & Point out the language.


Of course you do; you're already receiving a government hand-out for your Postal employee insurance.

QueEx

1. I didn't know that Aetna was government run...

2. I don't have to post shit, the burden of proof is on your side.

You’re a damn lie. Post the section of the bill that states that..

Didn't I post the bill?

<font size="3">Looks like you knew exactly what you were talking about.

Former Department of Homeland Security Chief Tom Ridge says Bush admin pressured him to raise terror warning before the 2004 election.


QueEx

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What year did 9-11 happen?

Quethought you have to try better....

That goes for both of your names....

 

[thoughtone]

Didn't I post the bill?

Like I said, you're, a mutherfucking liar, you didn't read the bill you just posted it, any dumb actinanass can do that without reading it.

Post the section of the bill that states that..