Interesting Joe Lewis Interview That Exposes Bruce Lee

How many of you guys actually trained before ?

What are better eclectic martial arts than JKD ?

I ask these questions becouse from my experience in martial arts Aikido & American Kenpo which both have served me well I wonder if some of these comments are backed up buy action and experience. Personnaly as a student JKD is not for beginners but it has it's merit becouse of it's exposure to other techniques for other martial arts. a JKD guy should know whats comming.
 
Brother Blues said:
The title of your post is mis-leading...it does not expose Bruce Lee,it is merely one man's opinion.


now that's word. this dude is just spouting off about everything HE did big, and talks about all of bruce's so-called faults. but he NEVER speaks on his OWN faults.....like he's the baddest muh fukka to ever fight on earth. u see he said he never fought bruce....just sparred with him in controlled sessions (whatever the fuk that means). and the dude STILL went to seek bruce's help when he (his own words) 'was a world champion before i met bruce'.

fuk outta here with this ole bullsheit. hatin azz, stars-and-stripes whack-azz karate suit wearin muh fukka :hmm:
 
pantha266 said:
I've read the original post and your subsequential responses, and it seems you are focusing on the small negative aspect of the interview in an attempt to change Bruce Lee from a real martial artist into a character actor(Jean Claude VanDamme).

Bruce Lee was indeed a real martial Artist; I'm not debating that nor I'm I putting him in the realm with Jean Claude Van Damme. I'm talking about Bruce as a fighter.

Joe Lewis was a competitive fighter. Of course, He thinks can beat everybody. He's supposed to think that.

Not only has he thought about it he's achieved it as a world champion in Karate and will most likely go down in history as the greatest Karate fighter of all time.

But if a single interview from one Bruce Lee student discredits his legacy for you, you are entitled to your opinions, the same way Joe Lewis is.

I don't believe Lee's legacy is discredited at all. Lee doesn't have to go in history as the greatest fighter of all time to be the greatest Martial Artist of all time. His legacy is mainly rooted in his philosophical/ martial arts/film contributions, more than his fighting skill. His philosophical impact has endured since his death. His fighting skill is dead.
 
Damn Right said:
fuk outta here with this ole bullsheit. hatin azz, stars-and-stripes whack-azz karate suit wearin muh fukka :hmm:

If you're not willing to step inside the ring with that hatin azz, stars-and-stripes whack-azz karate suit wearin muh fukka then shut the fuck up.
 
maddcat said:
How many of you guys actually trained before ?

I know a little bit of Boxing. That's about it.

What are better eclectic martial arts than JKD ?

I honestly don't believe there is a ultimate art. Every style has it's flaws. It's all about putting together what works best for you.

I ask these questions becouse from my experience in martial arts Aikido & American Kenpo which both have served me well I wonder if some of these comments are backed up buy action and experience.


I go out of my way to avoid fights. I'm a believer in The Art Of Fighting Without Fighting concept.

Personnaly as a student JKD is not for beginners but it has it's merit becouse of it's exposure to other techniques for other martial arts. a JKD guy should know whats comming.

I agree.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
I know a little bit of Boxing. That's about it.



I honestly don't believe there is a ultimate art. Every style has it's flaws. It's all about putting together what works best for you.




I go out of my way to avoid fights. I'm a believer in The Art Of Fighting Without Fighting concept.



I agree.



Dude I met Jeff Speakman, Bill Wallace, Billy Blanks and Joe Lewis who inspired me to study Kenpo, Taken various seminars including Arnis, Red Mountain Kung Fu, Judo, Yangi Akijujitsu, Trained regularly with a JKD practicianer, Hold 1st degree black belts in American Kenpo UKKA, And Temiki Aikido (Small circle).

How can you make comments or buy into what that interview said if you never trained before. Why not just say Micheal Jordan had a weak jumper based on what Charles Barkley or Larry Bird said.

Everybody I taked to about Bruce who knew him said the man was the truth. Including Dan Isanto, Joon Ree,my instructor Joe Palanzo, Larry Tatum. Huk Planas, And Bob Wahl. Where are you commin from with this shit. You are completly misinformed.
 
maddcat said:
How many of you guys actually trained before ?

What are better eclectic martial arts than JKD ?

I ask these questions becouse from my experience in martial arts Aikido & American Kenpo which both have served me well I wonder if some of these comments are backed up buy action and experience. Personnaly as a student JKD is not for beginners but it has it's merit becouse of it's exposure to other techniques for other martial arts. a JKD guy should know whats comming.
I've studied Judo and Tae Kwon Do. I'm starting a Kenpo class next week.
 
maddcat said:
Dude I met Jeff Speakman, Bill Wallace, Billy Blanks and Joe Lewis who inspired me to study Kenpo, Taken various seminars including Arnis, Red Mountain Kung Fu, Judo, Yangi Akijujitsu, Trained regularly with a JKD practicianer, Hold 1st degree black belts in American Kenpo UKKA, And Temiki Aikido (Small circle).

How can you make comments or buy into what that interview said if you never trained before.

I've studied and researched many arts in the philosophical sense, read numerous interviews from many fighters, and watched enough fights to understand the aspects of Martial Arts. One doesn't necessarily need to fight to understand fighting. Observation is a good learning tool.

Everybody I taked to about Bruce who knew him said the man was the truth. Including Dan Isanto, Jun Ree,my instructor Joe Palanzo, Larry Tatum. Huk Planas, And Bob Wahl.

I never disputed Bruce's legacy as a martial artist. He's indeed the truth in that aspect.

Where are you commin from with this shit. You are completly misinformed.

Whatever you say man.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
I've studied and researched many arts in the philosophical sense, read numerous interviews from many fighters, and watched enough fights to understand the aspects of Martial Arts. One doesn't necessarily need to fight to understand fighting. Observation is a good learning tool.
Whoa, I really have to disagree with you on that. That's like saying you can have an informed convo about sword technique because you study tapes of Samurai Sundays.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
One doesn't necessarily need to fight to understand fighting. Observation is a good learning tool.

Observation is the bare minimum to learn and performing the deed is the greatest vehicle of learning because it is precisely there and there alone that your field-testing shatters some of previously held beliefs and strategies, while birthing new ones. There's no substitution.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
I've studied and researched many arts in the philosophical sense, read numerous interviews from many fighters, and watched enough fights to understand the aspects of Martial Arts. One doesn't necessarily need to fight to understand fighting. Observation is a good learning tool.



I never disputed Bruce's legacy as a martial artist. He's indeed the truth in that aspect.



Whatever you say man.


Not so playa...observation ? No way you gotta get out there and do it....teach it....feel it. Joe Lewis rarely expains what makes advanced technique work becouse he can't get it to work for himself...that is a fact. Bruce not only taught advanced technique but created new technique and stratigms. This debate could go on forever but being that you are just a spectater I ain't got much else to say

You are dead wrong about Bruce....
 
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I found this wikipedia description of Jeet Kune Do (JKD)...

If you read some of my earlier comments, you will see that I covered some of the points in talking about JKD and its "principles" for fighting. Bruce Lee referred to JKD is a "formless" form. Its about the individual. It can be changed to fit any circumstance or situation.

To "criticize" JKD does not damage it. JKD is supposed to be like a bamboo that bends with the wind, and to eventually right itself in affirmation to its roots. Reflection and revisions are a part of what makes JKD unique.



Lee's philosophy
Bruce Lee said:

I have not invented a "new style," composite, modified or otherwise that is set within distinct form as apart from "this" method or "that" method.

On the contrary, I hope to free my followers from clinging to styles, patterns, or molds. Remember that Jeet Kune Do is merely a name used, a mirror in which to see "ourselves". . .

Jeet Kune Do is not an organized institution that one can be a member of. Either you understand or you don't, and that is that.

There is no mystery about my style. My movements are simple, direct and non-classical. The extraordinary part of it lies in its simplicity.

Every movement in Jeet Kune-Do is being so of itself. There is nothing artificial about it.

I always believe that the easy way is the right way.
Jeet Kune-Do is simply the direct expression of one's feelings with the minimum of movements and energy.


The closer to the true way of Kung Fu, the less wastage of expression there is. Finally, a Jeet Kune Do man who says Jeet Kune Do is exclusively Jeet Kune Do is simply not with it. He is still hung up on his self-closing resistance, in this case anchored down to reactionary pattern, and naturally is still bound by another modified pattern and can move within its limits. He has not digested the simple fact that truth exists outside all molds; pattern and awareness is never exclusive. Again let me remind you Jeet Kune Do is just a name used, a boat to get one across, and once across it is to be discarded and not to be carried on one's back.

– Bruce Lee[2
 
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pantha266 said:
Whoa, I really have to disagree with you on that. That's like saying you can have an informed convo about sword technique because you study tapes of Samurai Sundays.

If you get the proper knowledge from the right sources then yes books and tapes can be very informative. I haven't practiced a lick of JKD, but I'm informed enough to know how a side kick works, how a straight blast works, what being like water means, etc. There is a philosophical knowledge behind every art that must be understood before one can truly understand what they're practicing. My interest lies more in that philosophical knowledge more so than the mechanical.
 
maddcat said:
Not so playa...observation ? No way you gotta get out there and do it....teach it....feel it. Joe Lewis rarely expains what makes advanced technique work becouse he can't get it to work for himself...that is a fact. Bruce not only taught advanced technique but created new technique and stratigms. This debate could go on forever but being that you are just a spectater I ain't got much else to say

That's cool and I respect your opinion in this discussion.

You are dead wrong about Bruce....

Regarding what exactly? Let's be clear.
 
Man I thought u were talking about this dude and just mispelled his name

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Who the hell is Joe Lewis anyway? Sounds to me like he is trying to steal some of Bruce's shine
 
gulc06 said:
Man I thought u were talking about this dude and just mispelled his name

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Who the hell is Joe Lewis anyway? Sounds to me like he is trying to steal some of Bruce's shine


BTW.... while in the USAF and stationed in Las Vegas, I had dinner at Joe Louis's house on several occasions. Ol Joe was just a regular dude that liked to sit around in front of the tv set in his tee shirt and bare feet.

But this Joe Lewis is a martial arts fighter...

Joe Lewis is an American kickboxer and point Karate fighter whose success in the ring in the 1960s and 1970s is still legendary. He has twice been voted the greatest fighter in karate history, [1] and has attained the titles of "World Heavyweight Kickboxing Champion," "World Heavyweight Karate Champion," [2] and "United States National Black Belt Kata Champion." [3]

Joe Lewis studied Shorin-ryu Karate with Eizo Shimabuku, Chinsaku Kinjo and Seiyu Oyata in Okinawa while serving in the U.S. Marine Corps, earning his black belt in a mere seven months. He studied with the influential martial artist and Jeet Kune Do founder Bruce Lee. [4] Hong Kong cinema historian Bey Logan says Lewis was the original pick of Bruce Lee for the villain Colt in Way of the Dragon, but that Lee and Lewis had a falling out before the film and thus Chuck Norris was tabbed instead.

Joe Lewis was voted by the top fighters and promoters as the greatest karate fighter of all time in 1983. [5] Chuck Norris and Bill Wallace tied for second place. Gene Lebell has credited Joe as the person who "brought us full-contact karate." [6]

Joe Lewis is a veteran of the Vietnam War. He has acted in films and on TV[7], and was briefly married to actress Barbara Leigh. Today he continues to give seminars and work in the entertainment industry
 
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I wish he would of spoke out when Bruce was alive
so we could withness Bruce knocking him out in 30
seconds

TRIX is for kids
 
Gigantor said:
I wish he would of spoke out when Bruce was alive
so we could withness Bruce knocking him out in 30
seconds

TRIX is for kids

At that time, I'm sure he had a chance but probably passed on it....
 
Gigantor said:
I wish he would of spoke out when Bruce was alive
so we could withness Bruce knocking him out in 30
seconds

TRIX is for kids

The 135lb Lee against the 200lb Lewis, yet Lee is to knock him out in 30 seconds?
 
to Mastermind2002 ,
we got watching different videos
Joe Lewis was quick and and off blance
he would attack you first
before you could attack him

but let me tell you something
Joe Lewis is a old and bitter man
he is talking about a man
who died at 32
bruce
he look upon as the master
beause he gave people so much of himself
Joe Lewis is a street thug
who dont have the right to say anything
about bruce
bruce love blacks,whites,and all groups people
he challenge his own people
to show us they way of life
bruce started in 58
to show us that asian people was a peaceful
civilization
what bruce did for martial arts
cant be said on this board
when you look at interviews
bruce gave
he didnt like to talk about arts
he would like to talk you about
the cultivation,meditation, mental discipline, character development and building self-confidence

he was a deep and spiritual man
and like i said he would have beat Joe Lewis

with no problem
bruce came up with his own
fight game
Jeet Kune Do
and let me tell you
Joe Lewis
could not fuck with him
Joe Lewis could not do a perfect round house,
side kick,front punch

he had nothing
like i said before
when you fight another white boy
back in 60s
they had the same fighting style
bruce believe the that style
was dead in 62


Mastermind2002
i love you man
but you need to bow down to lee
lee is the father of morden martial arts
i wish i was alive back in the 60s
so i could have been one of his students

Mastermind2002
Joe Lewis
is a ass hole!!
 
Mastermind2002 said:
There is a philosophical knowledge behind every art that must be understood before one can truly understand what they're practicing. My interest lies more in that philosophical knowledge more so than the mechanical.[/font]

If you have not yet read the Tao of Jeet Kune Do, I would strongly encourage you to do so. Its a wonderful manuscript on Bruce Lee's fighting style in addition to Bruce's philosophies behind it. Bruce was a philosophy major at the University of Washington.

In the Tao of Jeet Kune Do, you will find Bruces anecdotal descriptions which reference Taoism, Zen Buddhism, Krishnamurti and other philosophies.

I find it interesting years ago when I talked about Taoism with my friends, I was viewed as strange. Now, Dwayne Dyers latest book "Change your thoughts/Change your life" includes his interpretations on the works of Lao Tzu.

I also want to add, never let anyone elses ideas disuade or disinterest you in persuing this type of knowledge.
 
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wildlover85 said:
bruce love blacks,whites,and all groups people
he challenge his own people
to show us they way of life
bruce started in 58
to show us that asian people was a peaceful
civilization


what bruce did for martial arts
cant be said on this board
when you look at interviews
bruce gave
he didnt like to talk about arts
he would like to talk you about
the cultivation,meditation, mental discipline, character development and building self-confidence

he was a deep and spiritual man
and like i said he would have beat Joe Lewis

Joe Lewis could not do a perfect round house, side kick,front punch

To be perfectly honest, when I saw Joe Lewis fight years ago here in Atlanta, I was not overly impressed with his kicking. Considering his age at the time, it did not look very coordinated. You're correct about his round kick.... it was no where near perfect. Perhaps he was having a bad night.... he won mainly as a "technical" fighter..

But.... I always take the position, there is enough room for everybody. Factor out the individual ego's, then its all about the art and personal development. Thats why they say, first you must empty your cup.
 
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Mastermind2002 said:
Lewis is serious as a heart attack. He would've killed Bruce Lee. Check the stats..

1. Earned his black belt in a remarkable seven months as a Marine in Okinawa. The average time span is three to four years.

2. Won the U.S. National Championships in forms, weapons and fighting with 22 months of his first karate class. Most students are lucky to be brown belts at 22 months.

3. Was first World Heavyweight Kickboxing Champion.

4. World Heavyweight Karate Champion. Combined with his kickboxing title, Lewis was the first of only two people to hold world titles in two different fighting sports.

5. Voted by a poll of peers as the Greatest Karate Fighter in History, not just once but twice! Once in America and once in Europe. Voters included World Champions Chuck Norris, Bill "Superfoot" Wallace and Jeff "DC Bomber" Smith.

6. Twice Voted to Black Belt magazine's Hall of Fame as the 1975 Fighter of the Year and the 1986 Co-Instructor of the Year. This is an honored recognition of Joe's transition from fearless fighter to gifted teacher.

7. Recognized as the Father of American Kickboxing.

8. Action star of the silver screen in Jaguar Lives! and Force Five.

9. Voted to over a dozen Hall of Fames including being the first recipient of the prestigious NAPMA Lifetime Achievement Award.

10. First World Champion to be awarded a 10th Degree Grand Master Ranking.

In a career spanning three decades, Joe Lewis has won more titles, set more records and instituted more innovations than anyone in the history of Sport Karate.

When it comes to teaching people of all ages and levels of experience how to fight in the ring or self-defense, nobody can touch Joe Lewis.


I felt compelled to chime in on this entry, because I think there is a definite failure of understanding...but you are entitled to your belief(s), and I respect that...that said:

1. You are comparing a 'Sport' (Karate/Western Kick-Boxing) to a Fighting System (JKD). There is no comparison, as the 'Sport' does NOT involve ACTUAL combat. Bruce Lee's JKD was not about the ROBOTIC/Cookie-cutter movements as Karate (Katas, etc.). JKD is INDIVIDUALIZED...as Bruce found that no two combatants were alike...No combat situations were dictated...and most importantly, there would be no referee or point system judging/scoring what you 'could have' done to an opponent and vice versa.

2. LEE trained LEWIS...and Lewis employed Lee's philosophies/teachings to become a better competitor in the ring. JKD does not rely on centuries old postures, but adapts to the real-world situations that one would face today...When you are attacked, you act and react, and do whatever it takes to come out victorious (Biting, scratching, choking, knees, elbows, etc). I have yet to see a Karate-man execute his katas during a 'real' comobat encounter. You just don't have the time, nor does the ever-changing dynamics of a 'real' fight allow you maintain you Karate discipline. LEE recognized this fact a long time ago...that is why he reasoned that to be victorious in combat, you had to eliminate the 'Clasical Mess' from your training...and just do/perfect what 'WORKS'.

3. LEE's fight with NORRIS...made Norris a superstar. Their battle in the 'Way of the Dargon' is a classic. In that film, Lee demonstrated the need to be fluid/dynamic when in combat. He was getting beat, until he altered his tactics...and used what worked!!! NORRIS has always had nothing but heartfelt kindness for Lee, as is the only artist to openly admit that Lee was his teacher, and that he learned a great deal from Lee.

4. The 'Titles' that you win...in a closed/controlled environment do NOT impress a skilled/seasoned 'street-fighter'. Your induction in various 'Halls of Fame' only mean something to those people who are impressed by it. If you put such people into 'actual' combat situations, where there are no rules, many of them would not last beyond two minutes. Lee would hold his own in such environments; whereas 'Sport' fighters would get beat because they fail to understand that there are NO rules to true combat...Victory At All Cost is the most important factor.

The comparison of LEE to 'Sugar' Ray LEONARD is pointless. Lee could knock out many oponents...just as Leonard could. It is all predicated upon the opponent before you, and the weapon (ex. punch) that you applied to the 'right' target on the opponent. Lee understood that power was generated from the 'hips', whereas most western boxers generate their power from the waist. Lee was a huge fan of Western-Boxing, and idolized Joe Lewis Barow and Muhhamad Ali. Lee felt that Western-Boxing was the closest thing to actual combat, and adopted much of its tactics (jabs, footwork) to his JKD principles.

I could go on and on...but the bottom line is this: LEE may NOT have been the baddest man on the planet. But he grew to be light years ahead of any other martial artist of his day. He recognized that when confronted with combat, the 'best' technique was...'NO' Technique!!! Having 'No' technique allows you to adapt to all techniques. The same poeple that persecute him still to this would not have faced off against him when he was with us.

Just my thoughts on this topic...
 
wildlover85 said:
to Mastermind2002 ,
we got watching different videos
Joe Lewis was quick and and off blance
he would attack you first
before you could attack him

but let me tell you something
Joe Lewis is a old and bitter man
he is talking about a man
who died at 32
bruce
he look upon as the master
beause he gave people so much of himself
Joe Lewis is a street thug
who dont have the right to say anything
about bruce
bruce love blacks,whites,and all groups people
he challenge his own people
to show us they way of life
bruce started in 58
to show us that asian people was a peaceful
civilization
what bruce did for martial arts
cant be said on this board
when you look at interviews
bruce gave
he didnt like to talk about arts
he would like to talk you about
the cultivation,meditation, mental discipline, character development and building self-confidence

he was a deep and spiritual man
and like i said he would have beat Joe Lewis

with no problem
bruce came up with his own
fight game
Jeet Kune Do
and let me tell you
Joe Lewis
could not fuck with him
Joe Lewis could not do a perfect round house,
side kick,front punch

he had nothing
like i said before
when you fight another white boy
back in 60s
they had the same fighting style
bruce believe the that style
was dead in 62


Mastermind2002
i love you man
but you need to bow down to lee
lee is the father of morden martial arts
i wish i was alive back in the 60s
so i could have been one of his students

Mastermind2002
Joe Lewis
is a ass hole!!

I respect your opinion man and take nothing away from what Bruce Lee accomplished. He was a man ahead of his time. Joe Lewis was also ahead of his time. I'll leave it at that.
 
WU-SHU BOXER ---bromack1

i must bow down to both of you gentlemen
you both scholars
and gentlemen i would love to talk more to

Mastermind2002 you have a lot wisdom
but we diagree with you about Joe Lewis
Joe Lewis had hart
but in the skills department he
needed alot of work
he is not the man
to bad mouth mr lee.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
The 135lb Lee against the 200lb Lewis, yet Lee is to knock him out in 30 seconds?

Thats like asking the question...

what would Sugar Ray Leonard do in the ring against Muhammed Ali. Both have great lateral movement, both have great hand speed. Ali throws a heavier punch, but Leonard throws quick and lethal combination punches in a side to side manner.

Ali has a huge arm reach over Leonard, but inside close quarters, Leonard can aggressively work the mid section.

I'm only using that analogy as a description into the perspective of Bruce Lee. One should not automatically assume that just because a guy is bigger than you, it means he can beat you. If you bring that type of thinking into the ring, then you have already lost the fight.

Its about adaptibility. Thats what Ali did against George Foreman. Ali adapted himself to Foremans strength by tying him up and taking a lot of heavy punches. In the end, Foreman beat himself. He tired himself out because all he brought to the fight was a "single" strategy. He thought Ali would be using the same style as all his previous fights.
 
bromack1 said:
If you have not yet read the Tao of Jeet Kune Do, I would strongly encourage you to do so. Its a wonderful manuscript on Bruce Lee's fighting style in addition to Bruce's philosophies behind it. Bruce was a philosophy major at the University of Washington.

I read the Tao Of Jeet Kune Do years ago. It's a great book on JKD. What was cool was all his black and white drawings and illustrations on how each technique worked and it's effectiveness.

In the Tao of Jeet Kune Do, you will find Bruces anecdotal descriptions which reference Taoism, Zen Buddhism, Krishnamurti and other philosophies.

The Krishnamurti stuff I found the most interesting so much so that I bought a couple of Jiddu Krishnamurti's books.

I find it interesting years ago when I talked about Taoism with my friends, I was viewed as strange. Now, Dwayne Dyers latest book "Change your thoughts/Change your life" includes his interpretations on the works of Lao Tzu.

I believe in studying knowledge from all sources. As Bruce would say use what's useful and discard what's not.

I also want to add, never let anyone elses ideas disuade or disinterest you in persuing this type of knowledge.

I firmly believe that everything must be researched and never just take what anyone says on face value.
 
WU-SHU BOXER said:
: LEE may NOT have been the baddest man on the planet. But he grew to be light years ahead of any other martial artist of his day. He recognized that when confronted with combat, the 'best' technique was...'NO' Technique!!!

Having 'No' technique allows you to adapt to all techniques. The same poeple that persecute him still to this would not have faced off against him when he was with us.

Just my thoughts on this topic...


I agree with you 1000 percent. Bruce Lee was way ahead of his time.
 
wildlover85 said:
WU-SHU BOXER ---bromack1

i must bow down to both of you gentlemen
you both scholars
and gentlemen i would love to talk more to

Mastermind2002 you have a lot wisdom
but we diagree with you about Joe Lewis
Joe Lewis had hart
but in the skills department he
needed alot of work
he is not the man
to bad mouth mr lee.

I don't believe Lewis was bad mouthing Lee in a mean spirited way. He was merely sharing his opinions on what Lee's strengths and weakness were.
 
bromack1 said:
Thats like asking the question...

what would Sugar Ray Leonard do in the ring against Muhammed Ali. Both have great lateral movement, both have great hand speed. Ali throws a heavier punch, but Leonard throws quick and lethal combination punches in a side to side manner.

Ali has a huge arm reach over Leonard, but inside close quarters, Leonard can aggressively work the mid section.

I'm only using that analogy as a description into the perspective of Bruce Lee. One should not automatically assume that just because a guy is bigger than you, it means he can beat you. If you bring that type of thinking into the ring, then you have already lost the fight.

Its about adaptibility. Thats what Ali did against George Foreman. Ali adapted himself to Foremans strength by tying him up and taking a lot of heavy punches. In the end, Foreman beat himself. He tired himself out because all he brought to the fight was a "single" strategy. He thought Ali would be using the same style as all his previous fights.

Ali could also take the punishment; something I don't believe a guy of Bruce's size could take against a larger opponent.
 
All that you posted was for what? because other than you and a handful of other peeps nobody even knows who the hell Joe Lewis (the martial artist) even is. so maybe he should have taken the role and then he might have been Walker Texas Ranger instead of a has been hater. Oh and I saw that Jaguar movie back in the day and he wasn't that good.
 
Mastermind2002,
my comprehension must be off
because he big his self up more then the teacher
its like this
Joe Lewis
must have done somethings lee like
because he took the time out
to reach him
but somthing must had to happen for
them to go their separate ways


i dont care who you are
if you was lucky to meet lee
or have been a student
what flaws he showed you
you keep them to yourself
lee has never bad mouth or
told on any of his students
Joe broke a code
and he lost mad points
for doing that.
 
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