Interesting Joe Lewis Interview That Exposes Bruce Lee

wildlover85 · Aug 24, 2007

Mastermind2002 · Aug 24, 2007

wildlover85 said:
A.whites do use Martial arts for destructive purposes
ufc,military training,police training

So do Blacks, Latinos, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc. This behavior isn't exclusive to whites so what's your point?

2.Bruce used Martial Arts as a stepping stone to a acting career
i got disagree with you on that
bruce got in Martial Arts in 1948
his acting caree begin in 1941
his Martial Art move was shown in 1966
25 years

Perhaps I should've been more detailed in what I meant. Bruce used Martial arts as a stepping stone to a hollywood acting career.

3. Properly honoring Martial Arts has nothing to do with race but rather the individual.
if you was raise on Martial Arts
you will treat it like a life style

if you learn as a adult
you will look at totally different.

Just as long as you understand that race has nothing to do with it. Put that race card back in your pocket.

bromack1 · Aug 24, 2007

wildlover85 said:
to Mastermind2002 ,

Properly honoring Martial Arts has nothing to do with race but rather the individual.
if you was raise on Martial Arts
you will treat it like a life style

if you learn as a adult
you will look at totally different.

I agree wholeheartedly on that point. Martial Arts is about "self" development. It can be used as a vehicle for "personal transformation."

I started years ago while stationed in South Korea (Kuk Sool Won). Prior to that, I could be easily be described as a person who was a "scaredy cat," shy and not very forward. I'm only 5'7". During those times, everybody seemed bigger than me and they always seemed to project that "facade" in dealing with me (a lot of times, its a "facade").

Without telling my age and rolling forward a couple of years. I became quite active stateside and started participating in martial arts tournaments (picked up a lotta lumps gettin my ass kicked... but I didn't quit). Later, I found myself at the University of Georgia fighting a well known college football player and developing martial artist named Herschel Walker.

Well, ol Herschel took a likin to me because of my fighting skills and abilities in handling nunchukas. Herschel at 6'2" proved to be no match for my 5'7" stature. He was a straight ahead fighter and I always used lateral movements against taller fighters. I was like a "lil gnat" he could not "shoo away."

Whenever Herschel saw me on campus, Ol Herschel always made it a point to talk to me. After some time, I won't say it became annoying ... but it did boost my self confidence. Herschel was serious about becoming a martial artist... But then, he was probably more serious about winning the Heisman Trophy... which he finally did.

If a classmate in a lecture saw me me on campus talking to ol Hershey, I always had to be prepared to answer the question.... why were you talkin to Herschel Walker? Truth be told, I was not looking to talk to him, he was looking to talk to me.

To this day, I highly support martial arts for young kids. Its a sure fire way to give the lil kid a boost in developing his self confidence. Start em early... that way.. they won't have to go through the long struggle of developing ones self confidence and more importantly.... his self respect.

Mastermind2002 · Aug 24, 2007

bromack1 said:
I agree wholeheartedly on that point. Martial Arts is about "self" development. It can be used as a vehicle for "personal transformation."

I started years ago while stationed in South Korea (Kuk Sool Won). Prior to that, I could be easily be described as a person who was a "scaredy cat," shy and not very forward. I'm only 5'7". During those times, everybody seemed bigger than me and they always seemed to project that "facade" in dealing with me (a lot of times, its a "facade").

Without telling my age and rolling forward a couple of years. I became quite active stateside and started participating in martial arts tournaments (picked up a lotta lumps gettin my ass kicked... but I didn't quit). Later, I found myself at the University of Georgia fighting a well known college football player and developing martial artist named Herschel Walker.

You fought Herschel Walker? I didn't even know Herschel was into Martial Arts. How about that? Props to you for participating in the tournaments; I'm sure you learned a lot.

Well, ol Herschel took a likin to me because of my fighting skills and abilities in handling nunchukas.

You sound like a motherfucker that's not to be fucked with.

Herschel at 6'2" proved to be no match for my 5'7" stature. He was a straight ahead fighter and I always used lateral movements against taller fighters. I was like a "lil gnat" he could not "shoo away."

Smart strategy. Herschel most likely could've been a beast at Martial Arts with more development.

Whenever Herschel saw me on campus, Ol Herschel always made it a point to talk to me. After some time, I won't say it became annoying ... but it did boost my self confidence. Herschel was serious about becoming a martial artist... But then, he was probably more serious about winning the Heisman Trophy... which he finally did.

If a classmate in a lecture saw me me on campus talking to ol Hershey, I always had to be prepared to answer the question.... why were you talkin to Herschel Walker? Truth be told, I was not looking to talk to him, he was looking to talk to me.

That would boost my self confidence as well.

To this day, I highly support martial arts for young kids. Its a sure fire way to give the lil kid a boost in developing his self confidence. Start em early... that way.. they won't have to go through the long struggle of developing ones self confidence and more importantly.... his self respect.

100% agree.

bromack1 · Aug 24, 2007

Mastermind2002 said:
No need to apologize as we're having an honest discussion which is the purpose of all this. I personally have a lot of respect for both Malcolm X and Bruce Lee and appreciate what they accomplished in life. I just believe it's important to look at all men from all angles both positive and negative and not get locked into a 'idol mentality'.

First of all, let me say, I've never taken a formal JKD class. All my discussions are based on my personal readings and interpretations of the principles of JKD.

I agree that we should look at all angles on Bruce. I think Bruce was the kind of person that would accept criticism. In my opinion, JKD was more a set of principles than an actual discipline that said you "must do it this way." I believe that was the intentions of Master Bruce.

In the "Tao," Bruce was suggesting that martial arts was a "classical mess." Martial arts training was still based on training, customs and courtesies that were thousands of years old. Bruce wanted to "change" that way of thinking.

The evolution of modern day fighting styles suggest "customizing" techniques to fit your individual strengths and weaknesses. For example, If you saw the movie "A Warriors Journey," they had an interview with Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

Kareem said ... it makes no sense for a man my size to position my hips "just so" to allow me to throw him over my waist. Its not efficent. While possible for Kareem, hip throws for a guy built like Kareem are a waste of time when you only have 30 seconds to "settle" a lil misunderstanding.

On the matter of "idolizing" Bruce... I have my own findings regarding the circumstances of Bruce Lee's death. Bruce was human and did human things.... even if it was harmful to him... But thats another thread.

On this thread, I prefer talking about the beauty of the art. The circumstances surrounding Bruce Lee's death, have no bearing or impact on my devotion to the man and his priniciples.

wildlover85 · Aug 24, 2007

to Mastermind2002 ,

i have seen Joe Lewis
if this is the best he could do
man he needs stop talking about bruce
and beg his wife for her forgiveness
after you see this
tell me how and in the hell could he beat bruce
man he could not last 1 round of the ufc
man he is full of shit!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ozpqOUyBU&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX_A-Ynx3VA&mode=related&search=

bromack1 · Aug 24, 2007

wildlover85 said:
to Mastermind2002 ,

i have seen Joe Lewis
if this best he could do
man he needs stop talking about for bruce lee
and beg his wife for her giveness
after you see this
tell me how and in the hell could he beat bruce
man he could not last 1 round of the ufc
man he is full of shit!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ozpqOUyBU&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX_A-Ynx3VA&mode=related&search=

I don't like the idea of "doggin" on Joe Lewis... but I saw him fight at a PKA full contact bout sponsored by Joe Corely back in the 80's. He won the bout but he really wasn't much to appreciate in the ring. Thats all I'm gonna say.

a7chemist · Aug 24, 2007

why? why after all thesse years does this man come out and "expose" him why not "expose" him back then??
fuck this dude joe lewis. and u sound like his personal assistant so fuck u 2

wildlover85 · Aug 24, 2007

to bromack1 ,
no one is doging Joe Lewis

Joe Lewis is doging him self
when he is bad mouthing lee
he has place all his cards on the table
now im not going to say he does not have skills
but you look at what lee was doing
in 20s
and look at Joe Lewis in his 20s
that like comparing a snail with a sports car
and by the way
did bruce lee ask the world
for a ufc style
back in 64?

Mastermind2002 · Aug 24, 2007

wildlover85 said:
to Mastermind2002 ,

i have seen Joe Lewis
if this is the best he could do
man he needs stop talking about bruce
and beg his wife for her forgiveness
after you see this
tell me how and in the hell could he beat bruce
man he could not last 1 round of the ufc
man he is full of shit!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ozpqOUyBU&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX_A-Ynx3VA&mode=related&search=

I've seen those videos and many others and see a man that's fast as fuck and sound in technique. I think he and other fighters could beat Bruce, and there are fighters who could beat Joe. No man is invincible. As far as lasting in the UFC, obviously he would train a lot different from what you see in those point Karate videos. What's important is the tools were there and put to great use.

Mastermind2002 · Aug 24, 2007

a7chemist said:
why? why after all thesse years does this man come out and "expose" him why not "expose" him back then??

First of all, he did an interview, people asked him questions and he answered honestly. The answers he gave shined a different light on Lee as a result. The interview comes off as exposing Lee however I don't think Lewis in his heart had any agenda behind it. He was just being honest about the man's strengths and weaknesses. If Lewis had an agenda he would've purposely blasted Lee in the media back then.

fuck this dude joe lewis. and u sound like his personal assistant so fuck u 2

Cool. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

Mastermind2002 · Aug 24, 2007

bromack1 said:
First of all, let me say, I've never taken a formal JKD class. All my discussions are based on my personal readings and interpretations of the principles of JKD.

I agree that we should look at all angles on Bruce. I think Bruce was the kind of person that would accept criticism. In my opinion, JKD was more a set of principles than an actual discipline that said you "must do it this way." I believe that was the intentions of Master Bruce.

In the "Tao," Bruce was suggesting that martial arts was a "classical mess." Martial arts training was still based on training, customs and courtesies that were thousands of years old. Bruce wanted to "change" that way of thinking.

The evolution of modern day fighting styles suggest "customizing" techniques to fit your individual strengths and weaknesses. For example, If you saw the movie "A Warriors Journey," they had an interview with Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

Kareem said ... it makes no sense for a man my size to position my hips "just so" to allow me to throw him over my waist. Its not efficent. While possible for Kareem, hip throws for a guy built like Kareem are a waste of time when you only have 30 seconds to "settle" a lil misunderstanding.

On the matter of "idolizing" Bruce... I have my own findings regarding the circumstances of Bruce Lee's death. Bruce was human and did human things.... even if it was harmful to him... But thats another thread.

On this thread, I prefer talking about the beauty of the art. The circumstances surrounding Bruce Lee's death, have no bearing or impact on my devotion to the man and his priniciples.

Co-sign!

Kratos · Aug 24, 2007

I don't see the exposure.. what I saw was:

"I never stood in front of another human who was a quick as him. He not only had the quickness but he had the inner confidence to muster the conviction to do so. I've seen other who had the speed but lack conviction, or vice versa. He was like Ali, he had both. I stood before both of these men,so I know." (high praise!)

"...forward hand strike and the side kick. He showed me how to make them much better. " (legit credit!)

"Temple Of The Unknown: Did you ever take a Side Kick from Bruce and what was it like?

Joe Lewis: No. But he did catch me with a punch. He hit real hard for his size. All the kicking and punching were staged, in other words posing to accommodate his incoming strike. It was never done beyond a pre-arranged, anticipated context." (respect of power)

"He had the speed and the power to be a world class boxer." (more respect of speed and power)

"Had Bruce Lee continued to develop JKD in the last 27 years I'm sure his innovations would exceed your wildest imagination." (respect for Bruce's growth potential, intellect and development ability)

"Temple Of The Unknown: How well would Bruce Lee have done in competition? Would he have been a tough opponent for you? Please be sincere. Many Thanks!

Joe Lewis: Asking me about this or what he could have been is like asking how good an actor Tyson could be. 'Enter The Dragon' remains the highest grossing (martial arts film) in history.That's accolades to last 10 lifetimes. Don't make him more immortal than he was. He's the leading candidate for being the greatest martial artist of all time. That doesn't make you a fighter. If you want to fight then you fight some amateur fights, then somebody like Angelo Dundee will invite you to his camp. Being a martial artist doesn't automatically make you an actor, and vice versa." (acknowledges great martial artist status)

He does make some comments on where he felt Bruce may have been physically vulnerable, possibly couldn't take a punch etc. But most fighters would look for weaknesses in their potential opponents. These weaknesses apparently were never exploited or tested though so we will never truly know.

I read all that shit and I was waiting for the part where he said he and Bruce had a private fight and he knocked him the fuck out!

Mastermind2002 · Aug 24, 2007

Kratos said:
I don't see the exposure.. what I saw was:

"I never stood in front of another human who was a quick as him. He not only had the quickness but he had the inner confidence to muster the conviction to do so. I've seen other who had the speed but lack conviction, or vice versa. He was like Ali, he had both. I stood before both of these men,so I know." (high praise!)

"...forward hand strike and the side kick. He showed me how to make them much better. " (legit credit!)

"Temple Of The Unknown: Did you ever take a Side Kick from Bruce and what was it like?

Joe Lewis: No. But he did catch me with a punch. He hit real hard for his size. All the kicking and punching were staged, in other words posing to accommodate his incoming strike. It was never done beyond a pre-arranged, anticipated context." (respect of power)

"He had the speed and the power to be a world class boxer." (more respect of speed and power)

"Had Bruce Lee continued to develop JKD in the last 27 years I'm sure his innovations would exceed your wildest imagination." (respect for Bruce's growth potential, intellect and development ability)

"Temple Of The Unknown: How well would Bruce Lee have done in competition? Would he have been a tough opponent for you? Please be sincere. Many Thanks!

Joe Lewis: Asking me about this or what he could have been is like asking how good an actor Tyson could be. 'Enter The Dragon' remains the highest grossing (martial arts film) in history.That's accolades to last 10 lifetimes. Don't make him more immortal than he was. He's the leading candidate for being the greatest martial artist of all time. That doesn't make you a fighter. If you want to fight then you fight some amateur fights, then somebody like Angelo Dundee will invite you to his camp. Being a martial artist doesn't automatically make you an actor, and vice versa." (acknowledges great martial artist status)

He does make some comments on where he felt Bruce may have been physically vulnerable, possibly couldn't take a punch etc. But most fighters would look for weaknesses in their potential opponents. These weaknesses apparently were never exploited or tested though so we will never truly know.

I read all that shit and I was waiting for the part where he said he and Bruce had a private fight and he knocked him the fuck out!

Why would you be expecting that? Joe shed light on Bruce's strengths and weaknesses and broke down certain misconceptions however cats have turned this into Joe bad mouthing Bruce when that's not the case.

bromack1 · Aug 24, 2007

wildlover85 said:
to bromack1 ,
no one is doging Joe Lewis

Joe Lewis is doging him self
when he is bad mouthing lee
he has place all his cards on the table
now im not going to say he does not have skills
but you look at what lee was doing
in 20s
and look at Joe Lewis in his 20s
that like comparing a snail with a sports car
and by the way
did bruce lee ask the world
for a ufc style
back in 64?

In my world... there is enough room for everybody.

Anyone who has a sincere in the interest of developing martial arts skills and technique, and that is willing to share it with the rest of the world, is a hero in my mind.

With that said, thats what makes Bruce Lee a bigger hero.

Bruce Lee personally fought against other chinese kung fu practitioners for the right to teach kung fu to those who weren't chinese. At that time, the students were americans.

Bruce Lee laid the foundation as a "first generation" teacher of "mixed" martial arts styles. Everyone else that followed, is "simply" walking through the door that Bruce opened.

Kratos · Aug 24, 2007

Mastermind2002 said:
Why would you be expecting that? Joe shed light on Bruce's strengths and weaknesses and broke down certain misconceptions however cats have turned this into Joe bad mouthing Bruce when that's not the case.

Maybe the "EXPOSES" part of the thread title had a little to do with it. No one got exposed as the term is commonly used these days.

Mastermind2002 · Aug 24, 2007

Kratos said:
Maybe the "EXPOSES" part of the thread title had a little to do with it. No one got exposed as the term is commonly used these days.

The exposing was in Lewis's humanizing of Lee and therefore destroying the greatest of all time title that was developed and placed on Lee from media and fans alike. The point being Bruce was good but let's not get carried away.

Kratos · Aug 24, 2007

Mastermind2002 said:
The exposing was in Lewis's humanizing of Lee and therefore destroying the greatest of all time title that was developed and placed on Lee from media and fans alike. The point being Bruce was good but let's not get carried away.

He didn't really "destroy" it since he does say he is a candidate. I see what you're getting at though. Speaking beyond the hype. The article was informative and a good read so I ain't mad. Props for posting it.

hoodlikegaza · Aug 24, 2007

Mastermind2002 said:
Why would you be expecting that? Joe shed light on Bruce's strengths and weaknesses and broke down certain misconceptions however cats have turned this into Joe bad mouthing Bruce when that's not the case.

Seems like your waffling on your previous convictions. The very title of the thread clearly show what your intentions were when you posted this crap. This dude seems he did well in the world of American/WHITE sanctioned martial arts. Good for him, but like I've already handed your ass to you, his overall motives are very apparent in the type of responses he gave. I guess it's harder for Americans in general to pick up on subtlety.

bromack1 · Aug 24, 2007

Mastermind2002 said:
First of all, he did an interview, people asked him questions and he answered honestly. The answers he gave shined a different light on Lee as a result. The interview comes off as exposing Lee however I don't think Lewis in his heart had any agenda behind it. He was just being honest about the man's strengths and weaknesses. If Lewis had an agenda he would've purposely blasted Lee in the media back then.

Cool. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

According to the "principles" of JKD, I'm sure that Bruce would appreciate us "still" talking about fighting techniques. As I understood it, JKD included discussion sessions and environmental training. Environmental training included creating situations and asking questions about what the best responses were..

In my mind, its about "principles". Its not about one single way of defending yourself. Bruce emphasized flexibility, fluidity and adaptablity to change.

For christs sake, in a typical street fight...you only have 30 seconds to settle it!!!!

Keep it simple. If an arm bar or side kick doesn't work, then what are you gonna do next?. You gotta remain flexible. If "cheatin" a little gets it done, then do it.....

Bruce understood that, once you "define" a response to an attack, then next you define the "counter" attack. And it goes on and on. One attack... next counter attack... and then a response to the counter attack. Speaking from my own experience in a few minor scuffles, I know it works.

Who will always be the better man???.... the one who is the most adaptable to the situation.

Makkonnen · Aug 24, 2007

Kratos said:
I don't see the exposure.. what I saw was:

"I never stood in front of another human who was a quick as him. He not only had the quickness but he had the inner confidence to muster the conviction to do so. I've seen other who had the speed but lack conviction, or vice versa. He was like Ali, he had both. I stood before both of these men,so I know." (high praise!)

"...forward hand strike and the side kick. He showed me how to make them much better. " (legit credit!)

"Temple Of The Unknown: Did you ever take a Side Kick from Bruce and what was it like?

Joe Lewis: No. But he did catch me with a punch. He hit real hard for his size. All the kicking and punching were staged, in other words posing to accommodate his incoming strike. It was never done beyond a pre-arranged, anticipated context." (respect of power)

"He had the speed and the power to be a world class boxer." (more respect of speed and power)

"Had Bruce Lee continued to develop JKD in the last 27 years I'm sure his innovations would exceed your wildest imagination." (respect for Bruce's growth potential, intellect and development ability)

"Temple Of The Unknown: How well would Bruce Lee have done in competition? Would he have been a tough opponent for you? Please be sincere. Many Thanks!

Joe Lewis: Asking me about this or what he could have been is like asking how good an actor Tyson could be. 'Enter The Dragon' remains the highest grossing (martial arts film) in history.That's accolades to last 10 lifetimes. Don't make him more immortal than he was. He's the leading candidate for being the greatest martial artist of all time. That doesn't make you a fighter. If you want to fight then you fight some amateur fights, then somebody like Angelo Dundee will invite you to his camp. Being a martial artist doesn't automatically make you an actor, and vice versa." (acknowledges great martial artist status)

He does make some comments on where he felt Bruce may have been physically vulnerable, possibly couldn't take a punch etc. But most fighters would look for weaknesses in their potential opponents. These weaknesses apparently were never exploited or tested though so we will never truly know.

I read all that shit and I was waiting for the part where he said he and Bruce had a private fight and he knocked him the fuck out!

I guess only a few of us were actually reading the interview and not catching feelings.

bromack1 · Aug 24, 2007

Mastermind2002 said:
The point being Bruce was good but let's not get carried away.[/font]

No offense intended but....

If Bruce Lee wasn't the accomplished person he was... why would anyone even bother to talk to Joe Lewis for anything let alone Bruce Lee....

and thats how it goes in the media world....

I appreciate the article.... from my "own" personal experience, Martial Arts is a vehicle of personal development. It can make you a much better human being. I guarantee you that you will develop a sense of personal pride that no one can ever take from you.

Mastermind2002 · Aug 24, 2007

hoodlikegaza said:
Seems like your waffling on your previous convictions. The very title of the thread clearly show what your intentions were when you posted this crap.

What you think my intentions were is speculation at best.

This dude seems he did well in the world of American/WHITE sanctioned martial arts.

He we go again with the white man nonsense.

Good for him, but like I've already handed your ass to you,

Based on what? :lol:

his overall motives are very apparent in the type of responses he gave.

Opinions vary.

Mastermind2002 · Aug 24, 2007

bromack1 said:
According to the "principles" of JKD, I'm sure that Bruce would appreciate us "still" talking about fighting techniques. As I understood it, JKD included discussion sessions and environmental training. Environmental training included creating situations and asking questions about what the best responses were..

In my mind, its about "principles". Its not about one single way of defending yourself. Bruce emphasized flexibility, fluidity and adaptablity to change.

For christs sake, in a typical street fight...you only have 30 seconds to settle it!!!!

Keep it simple. If an arm bar or side kick doesn't work, then what are you gonna do next?. You gotta remain flexible. If "cheatin" a little gets it done, then do it.....

Bruce understood that, once you "define" a response to an attack, then next you define the "counter" attack. And it goes on and on. One attack... next counter attack... and then a response to the counter attack. Speaking from my own experience in a few minor scuffles, I know it works.

Who will always be the better man???.... the one who is the most adaptable to the situation.

You're preaching to the choir with this but I appreciate the discussion.

Finito · Aug 24, 2007

This reminds me of that flashlight cop that keeps writing "NEW EXPOSING INFORMATIVE" Books about Tupac.

Bruce was pound for pound the strongest STRIKER in history. Strikers dont to extremely well when put against well rounded fighters (as was found in the early days of MMA where everyone came in with their own style and didnt study much stuff outside of their main style).

Bruces power came from his focus, philosophy(of fighting) and flexibility.

bromack1 · Aug 24, 2007

hoodlikegaza said:
Seems like your waffling on your previous convictions. The very title of the thread clearly show what your intentions were when you posted this crap. This dude seems he did well in the world of American/WHITE sanctioned martial arts. Good for him, but like I've already handed your ass to you, his overall motives are very apparent in the type of responses he gave. I guess it's harder for Americans in general to pick up on subtlety.

Let me make one thing perfectly clear.... Its not about race... its not about right and wrong.

If you truly study philosophers, you will find they emphasize one point over all others... "consequences"...Sure Bruce said this, and he did that... but how important is all that when you consider the new body of knowledge it created. Bruce Lee helped create a new way of thinking.

Consider this physics equation....For every action there is a reaction...the "results" are more important than the methods.

We're still talkin about Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee set the stage for him to be talked about for years well path his death when he created JKD. Joe Lewis beatin Bruce Lee... who cares... I ain't bettin on any one winner... I only wanna see a good fight.

bromack1 · Aug 24, 2007

Mastermind2002 said:
You're preaching to the choir with this but I appreciate the discussion.

Sorry, but this kinda topic inflames my passion....I had a little street scuffle a few years ago... I finished it in less than 15 seconds using some hand techniques I picked up from Bruce Lee's fighting methods...

On top of that, I once overcame an intense stare down with a guy by simply being aware of my subject and environment. He told me he was a former college running back.... So I asked him.... which knee did he injure playing football... he was so stunned by the question... he answered it...... he told me ... it was his right knee... and then he excused himself.

Once again.... Bruce was right... the best fight you can win, is the one where you throw no punches.

WorldEX · Aug 24, 2007

Solomon Grundy said:
Man, you can't say WITH OUT ANY DOUBT that one man would beat another man just because of credentials. Go back and look at the first UFC fights and see what size did for a lot of those guys. You think Joe Lewis would have done anything significant against ROYCE GRACIE. And he's not even the best one. He probably could have beaten Gracie, but maybe not. We don't know. You don't know the "honest truth" as you put it. Bruce was evolving all the time. He came up with mixing the martial arts before Lewis did. If he were still alive, we may have seen something like the UFC in the early 80's instead of the late 90's, but people like LEWIS who are very skilled did not pick up the ball.

Bruce would drop Joe if they have fought.

Mastermind2002 · Aug 24, 2007

bromack1 said:
No offense intended but....

If Bruce Lee wasn't the accomplished person he was... why would anyone even bother to talk to Joe Lewis for anything let alone Bruce Lee....

Joe Lewis wasn't the movie star Bruce Lee was. Bruce made some films and that's what people talked about and remembered. Lee was an accomplished person, however that's not what Lewis was talking about nor what I'm talking about. Were talking about Lee as a fighter.

I appreciate the article.... from my "own" personal experience, Martial Arts is a vehicle of personal development. It can make you a much better human being. I guarantee you that you will develop a sense of personal pride that no one can ever take from you.

I agree.

bromack1 · Aug 24, 2007

Mastermind2002 said:
Joe Lewis wasn't the movie star Bruce Lee was. Bruce made some films and that's what people talked about and remembered. Lee was an accomplished person, however that's not what Lewis was talking about nor what I'm talking about. Were talking about Lee as a fighter.

Well...Bruce Lee isn't around anymore to fight anyone who wants a challenge... but the philosophy of Bruce Lee.... Lives forever.

Joe Lewis "was" a great fighter. No one will ever take that from him.

For that matter, why not have ol Joe fight Chuck Norris, Bill "Superfoot" Wallace, or Billy Urquidez. I don't see him talkin about gettin in the ring with any of those guys.... ....

Mastermind2002 · Aug 24, 2007

bromack1 said:
Well...Bruce Lee isn't around anymore to fight anyone who wants a challenge... but the philosophy of Bruce Lee.... Lives forever.

Joe Lewis "was" a great fighter. No one will ever take that from him.

For that matter, why not have ol Joe fight Chuck Norris, Bill "Superfoot" Wallace, or Billy Urquidez. I don't see him talkin about gettin in the ring with any of those guys.... ....

I believe Joe fought Chuck in point Karate and beat him. He only sparred with Bill Wallace; I don't know about Billy Urquidez.

JanktheFixer · Aug 24, 2007

He got mind control over Bruce Lee. When Lee was alive, he would tell Joe to shut the fuck up. And Joe would be quiet. But now that Lee is dead, Jpe talking that shit again...

Cousin Ray Ray · Aug 24, 2007

slam said:
HOLD UP NOW GRASS HOPPA !!!!!

You shoulda knew this was coming.
And I didn't read all that shit either.

Baldhead_Digital · Aug 24, 2007

27 years later.....We are still talking about Bruce Lee and his fighting Potential, as well as his place in history...

When I saw this thread I thought it was BS because the only Joe lewis I knew about before this thread was the black boxer.

So that makes Bruce un "exposeable". Granted we all Know Bruce Had weakness, if he didn't he'd be alive today. Again you can't "expose" something that everybody already knows..

pantha266 · Aug 24, 2007

Mastermind2002 said:
No need to apologize as we're having an honest discussion which is the purpose of all this. I personally have a lot of respect for both Malcolm X and Bruce Lee and appreciate what they accomplished in life. I just believe it's important to look at all men from all angles both positive and negative and not get locked into a 'idol mentality'.

I've read the original post and your subsequential responses, and it seems you are focusing on the small negative aspect of the interview in an attempt to change Bruce Lee from a real martial artist into a character actor(Jean Claude VanDamme). Joe Lewis was a competitive fighter. Of course, He thinks can beat everybody. He's supposed to think that. But if a single interview from one Bruce Lee student discredits his legacy for you, you are entitled to your opinions, the same way Joe Lewis is.
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Interesting Joe Lewis Interview That Exposes Bruce Lee

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