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147th street hustla said:
Actually Wink is a career long Jr. MW (154 lbs) and just recently moved to MW. This fight with Hopkins doesn't count b/c he is just doing it for the money. He probably won't even have to lose any weight to make the 170 lbs catch weight with Hopkins. Wink has stated that he would kill himself to get back down to 154 if Floyd would step up to the plate. But Floyd is conservative and there is no way he would ever face someone in the Top 10 P4P list.
Floyd is about money first and foremost. From the articles i've read DLH was guaranteed 23.3 million plus a %age of the PPV and the gate while FLoyd was guaranteed only 10 million plus a %age of the PPV and the gate. If this was the biggest fight of the decade and that's all floyd got, how much money do you think these other fights will generate for him? He could loose his place in history for a few million. Is the risk worth the reward?
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-mosley050207&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-mosley050207&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
eewwll said:
Ahhhh...Boxing. So much shit to argue in this thread, no better cat to start with than ewwlll...
Hatton DID not want to fight Floyd either after the Zab fight Hattons people said and I quote "Mayweather is not the direction we want to go in"...The Cotto fight doesnt make much sense considering that Miguel hasnt beat anybody of note, and to be honest he had trouble and should of lost to Corley whom Floyd completely destroyed...
Mosley fight probably wont happen. When Floyd whooped the cat before Baldomir he wanted to fight Shane....Shane did NOT want the fight and said he wanted to vacation with his family because he had it planned for December 06...thats how the DLH fight came to be in the first place.
Barrera and Morales those cats were too small.
eewwll said:
ewwll let me explain something to you about boxing. Winky doesnt have to do shit to make Middleweight. Its his walk around weight. Winkys frame and Floyds frame are different. Floyd couldnt even make it to 154lbs. Its too big. De La Hoya is an example of moving up too much. Shane is too. Oscar has a slightly bigger frame than Floyd, he moved up to 160 and got his ass whooped. Bernard Hopkins didnt outbox Oscar he was too damn strong and Oscar couldnt take it. Shit real boxing heads knew Oscar Lost to Felix Sturm the first middleweight he fought. The ONLY reason he won that fight is because the Hopkins fight had too much money already involved.
In boxing pounds mean alot. Notice how Shane was 130 and dominant even up to 140...he went up too high and the ass whooping ensued. Forest and Winky beat the natural shit out of him. The only reason Floyd didnt get his ass whooped is because his defense is so good.
Im not talking about you in particular eeewwll but man alot of you dudes dont know shit about boxing.
alexw said:
It should be 6, even tho he ran he beat Trinidad. People dont talk about it but Sturm whooped his ass. Dude said Floyd hasnt beat anybody. In career retrospect who the fuck on an elite level has Oscar actually BEAT? Hes fought everybody but the only cat he actually fought in his prime and beat..was Trinidad and he ended up losing that fight from running..
Nobody that isnt White/Mexican believes he beat Whitaker. He beat Chavez when he was 243yrs. Old. Ike Quartey beat him. He beat a Shell shocked Vargas.. He lost to Shane... He beat Mayorga who is taylor made for anybody with any type of actually boxing skill....man please.
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-floydwins050607&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
LAS VEGAS – Floyd Mayweather Jr. can shelve the talk about Sugar Ray Robinson. And Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler or Aaron Pryor for that matter.
He retained his title as the world's best active fighter – barely – and claimed the super welterweight belt by scoring a razor-thin decision over Oscar De La Hoya Saturday at the MGM Grand Garden.
Mayweather turned in his usual excellent performance defensively, using his quickness to force De La Hoya to miss 79 percent of his punches.
"The man could barely hit me," Mayweather said. "They can't all be superstar performances. But what more do they want?"
He brought the questions on himself, though, with his brash pre-fight talk. Mayweather insisted he is the greatest fighter who ever lived, but he was locked in a life-and-death struggle with a 34-year-old part-time boxer who'd lost to fighters Mayweather had derisively dismissively as bums and sparring partners.
It was a fight that could have gone either way, but a fight that could have gone either way is not good enough when you want to consider yourself the best ever.
“Sugar Ray Robinson? Ray Robinson and Mayweather don't even belong in the same sentence,” De La Hoya trainer Freddie Roach said. “Come on.”
Judges Jerry Roth and Chuck Giampa had Mayweather by scores of 115-113 and 116-112. But Tommy Kaczmarek saw it 115-113 for De La Hoya.
That in and of itself was a victory of sorts for De La Hoya, because it was the first time Mayweather had not won by unanimous decision or knockout.
As significant a victory as it was for Mayweather – it was the fifth division in which he won a world title – it wasn't what he needed to back up his outrageous boasts.
That honor was, is and, given the dearth of quality young athletes who even consider boxing these days, probably always will remain the property of Ray Robinson.
There was plenty of doubt on Saturday if Mayweather was even the best fighter in the ring.
Mayweather simply doesn't have the offense to be regarded as anything more than the best fighter in a diluted era.
He won world titles at 130, 135, 140, 147 and now, 154 pounds and is a lock to be chosen for the International Boxing Hall of Fame.
He said after the fight that "as of right now, I am officially retired," but few believe that decision to last, particularly with the lure of a lucrative rematch.
De La Hoya said he'll consider a rematch, but judging by his history, it will mean another excruciating loss and another monstrous payday. De La Hoya, who could make upwards of $40 million from Saturday's bout when all revenues are counted, will be remembered as a very good fighter just a shade short of great.
Mayweather will be judged on different terms. He's run the table, winning all 38 of his bouts, with few of them even close.
De La Hoya refused to compare Mayweather with the other men who had beaten him, saying, " (Bernard) Hopkins is a great fighter, (Shane) Mosley is a great fighter and Mayweather is a great fighter."
Mayweather controlled the bout when it was in the center of the ring and appeared to hurt De La Hoya a few times early in the fight with straight right hands.
De La Hoya acknowledged feeling Mayweather's power, but insisted he was never in trouble of going down.
But if, say, Thomas Hearns had hit De La Hoya with the rights that Mayweather did, De La Hoya might not have been around to talk about it.
And for all Mayweather has accomplished – and it's a lot – that's where he comes short when you’re separating the best of the best. Don Sutton and Sandy Koufax are both Hall of Fame pitchers, but there's obviously a vast gulf between the two.
His hands are tender and he complained of pain in both hands Saturday. They, perhaps, didn't allow him to punch with the authority that would have been necessary to consider him as, say, one of the 10 best ever.
Mayweather pleaded his case Saturday, pointing out that he was much smaller than De La Hoya. He said he weighed 148 pounds before the fight, a day after officially weighing in at 150.
He noted that he began at 130 – as did De La Hoya – and said he felt his defense and his ability to compete in so many weight classes without a loss should boost him over Robinson.
"It would have been hard for those guys to hit me," Mayweather said of Robinson, Pryor and Hearns. "You can't hit what you can't see."
But what was obvious to see Saturday was that as good as Mayweather is, he's simply going to have to settle for being the best of a bad era
LAS VEGAS – Floyd Mayweather Jr. can shelve the talk about Sugar Ray Robinson. And Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler or Aaron Pryor for that matter.
He retained his title as the world's best active fighter – barely – and claimed the super welterweight belt by scoring a razor-thin decision over Oscar De La Hoya Saturday at the MGM Grand Garden.
Mayweather turned in his usual excellent performance defensively, using his quickness to force De La Hoya to miss 79 percent of his punches.
"The man could barely hit me," Mayweather said. "They can't all be superstar performances. But what more do they want?"
He brought the questions on himself, though, with his brash pre-fight talk. Mayweather insisted he is the greatest fighter who ever lived, but he was locked in a life-and-death struggle with a 34-year-old part-time boxer who'd lost to fighters Mayweather had derisively dismissively as bums and sparring partners.
It was a fight that could have gone either way, but a fight that could have gone either way is not good enough when you want to consider yourself the best ever.
“Sugar Ray Robinson? Ray Robinson and Mayweather don't even belong in the same sentence,” De La Hoya trainer Freddie Roach said. “Come on.”
Judges Jerry Roth and Chuck Giampa had Mayweather by scores of 115-113 and 116-112. But Tommy Kaczmarek saw it 115-113 for De La Hoya.
That in and of itself was a victory of sorts for De La Hoya, because it was the first time Mayweather had not won by unanimous decision or knockout.
As significant a victory as it was for Mayweather – it was the fifth division in which he won a world title – it wasn't what he needed to back up his outrageous boasts.
That honor was, is and, given the dearth of quality young athletes who even consider boxing these days, probably always will remain the property of Ray Robinson.
There was plenty of doubt on Saturday if Mayweather was even the best fighter in the ring.
Mayweather simply doesn't have the offense to be regarded as anything more than the best fighter in a diluted era.
He won world titles at 130, 135, 140, 147 and now, 154 pounds and is a lock to be chosen for the International Boxing Hall of Fame.
He said after the fight that "as of right now, I am officially retired," but few believe that decision to last, particularly with the lure of a lucrative rematch.
De La Hoya said he'll consider a rematch, but judging by his history, it will mean another excruciating loss and another monstrous payday. De La Hoya, who could make upwards of $40 million from Saturday's bout when all revenues are counted, will be remembered as a very good fighter just a shade short of great.
Mayweather will be judged on different terms. He's run the table, winning all 38 of his bouts, with few of them even close.
De La Hoya refused to compare Mayweather with the other men who had beaten him, saying, " (Bernard) Hopkins is a great fighter, (Shane) Mosley is a great fighter and Mayweather is a great fighter."
Mayweather controlled the bout when it was in the center of the ring and appeared to hurt De La Hoya a few times early in the fight with straight right hands.
De La Hoya acknowledged feeling Mayweather's power, but insisted he was never in trouble of going down.
But if, say, Thomas Hearns had hit De La Hoya with the rights that Mayweather did, De La Hoya might not have been around to talk about it.
And for all Mayweather has accomplished – and it's a lot – that's where he comes short when you’re separating the best of the best. Don Sutton and Sandy Koufax are both Hall of Fame pitchers, but there's obviously a vast gulf between the two.
His hands are tender and he complained of pain in both hands Saturday. They, perhaps, didn't allow him to punch with the authority that would have been necessary to consider him as, say, one of the 10 best ever.
Mayweather pleaded his case Saturday, pointing out that he was much smaller than De La Hoya. He said he weighed 148 pounds before the fight, a day after officially weighing in at 150.
He noted that he began at 130 – as did De La Hoya – and said he felt his defense and his ability to compete in so many weight classes without a loss should boost him over Robinson.
"It would have been hard for those guys to hit me," Mayweather said of Robinson, Pryor and Hearns. "You can't hit what you can't see."
But what was obvious to see Saturday was that as good as Mayweather is, he's simply going to have to settle for being the best of a bad era
DeadAzz Serious said:
Really? exactly who are these others? Cause even historians of the science like Bert Sugar attest to Floyds skill. He beat the shit out of Zab and you cant see that, I cant understand how you think he won that...
Another thing I dont get is this. To you cats saying Floyd ran...he fought the sweet science to a T..The point of boxing is to hit and NOT BE HIT. Be smart. Win the fight, fuck the crowd...If you know a man is bigger and much stronger than you why the fuck would you go wild? You seen how Floyd got knocked back in that last flurry? If he had done that the hold damn fight he wouldnt have lasted 6 rounds.
FJP said:
DLH was outboxing Hopkins until he caught that body shit.. but I agree..the size was an issue. Same thing with Trinidad... he was a great fighter who got completely manhandled by a larger Hopkins..that shit was embarrassing.
However, Winky said he would come down to make the 154 weight.
eewwll said:
2 problems with that fight. #1. Winky thinks he's a big draw so he wont take a significantly smaller share..#2. Winky is just naturally too big, Floyd taking that fight would be like Ray Leonard Moving up to Mike Tyson. Did he have the boxing skill to beat Mike? yeah but the power difference is ridiculous. Even when you are blocking blows you still feel the effect of the blow.
FJP said:
Same thing with Mosely... Floyd said the fight wont happen because of money.
I think the difference with the example you gave is MUCH different though in terms of scale. My Tyson began and fought his entire career at 220 pounds. You are talking about a scale of 65 pounds as opposed to winky fighting at a weight most of his career that would have qualified him for the fight last night..but i do agree.. as this CURRENT weight.he is too big for Floyd.
Winky used to fight in the low 150s... but I do agree...the size difference is a factor.
Floyd wanted to fight shane BEFORE De La Hoya I wish I still had the fight on tape when afterwards he said wanted Shane. Shane said he wanted to go on vacation with his family. Winky ended up going up because at his age its easier to fight near your walk around weight than keep shrinking down.
Floyd fought at 154 and what happened? He had no chance of hurting the fighter he faced. That tells you that you are ENTIRELY out of your class. When Oscar went to 160 he couldnt hurt Sturm or Hopkins...again out of your class. Floyd couldnt even beef up to 154 he came in at barely 150. Which is why he made the claim that a "welterweight just beat a jr. middleweight."
Floyd fought at 154 and what happened? He had no chance of hurting the fighter he faced. That tells you that you are ENTIRELY out of your class. When Oscar went to 160 he couldnt hurt Sturm or Hopkins...again out of your class. Floyd couldnt even beef up to 154 he came in at barely 150. Which is why he made the claim that a "welterweight just beat a jr. middleweight."
FJP said:
Yeah.i read the article.. he was talking big shit about Shane..was saying he should have called Mosley's wife first since she wears the pants in the family
Damn shame though because that fight would be much better than Floyd and Oscar... and I have this feeling all the money will be too much for them to resist for a rematch...
of course mayweather and mosley are gonna fight though why do you think he was on 24/7
da_monumental_1 said:
[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/yjTHLPmfBCQ[/flash]
Man Sweet Pea made folks look straight stupid...Opponents would miss combos without even touching Whitaker...
On that youtube clip he made one cat just fall on a delayed reaction to a body shot (at the 3:40 to 3:37 mark). Whitaker threw two punches afterwards but they didn't even hit dude...
That's probably why some boxing analysts said that Pernell was the best of his era...
why prove anything.. it's fucking boxing. just take the money and run while he can still think and look nice.
FJP said:
How are you going to get on eewwll's case and accuse others of not knowing about boxing when Mosley started at Lightweight (135) and never fought at 140? He jumped from Lightweight to Welterweight, totally skipping 140.
eewwll said:
Damn, have you guys ever heard of boxrec.com? Mike at his best was in the 21X's (two - teens).
tp2001 said:
Man Sweet Pea made folks look straight stupid...Opponents would miss combos without even touching Whitaker...
On that youtube clip he made one cat just fall on a delayed reaction to a body shot (at the 3:40 to 3:37 mark). Whitaker threw two punches afterwards but they didn't even hit dude...
That's probably why some boxing analysts said that Pernell was the best of his era...
The difference being Whitaker "stayed it the pocket".
da_monumental_1 said:
Thanks. I didn't know about boxrec actually.
But even boxrec has 20 of this fights at over 220..and shit..there must be 10 where he is listed at 219 or 219 1/2.
But I get your point..he started in the mid 21x's and was in his prime sub 220... damn da-monumental_1 I wasn't that far off...i rounded up
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da_monumental_1 said:
Wow are you serious? I missed the weight by 5lbs. I know he was a lightweight my bad for getting the poujnds wrong. I coulda swore he fought forest at 140 but it was at 147..my bad. So my boxing knowledge is decreased because I messed up 5lbs but still knew the name of the weightclass? LOL
eewwll said:
Boxer meaning Offensive fighter? I'd say Floyd. Defensive fighter I'd say toss up. Floyd lets you make contact its just never good contact. Whitakers thing was to not let you make contact at all but I think that took more energy than what Floyd does so I could actually give it to Pernell.
eewwll said:
Willie Pep.
Seriously, Whitaker. For the simple fact that he was a southpaw, with his being closer to the number one knockout punch aka the Left Hook. We have to be honest here. Mayweather's style of fighting isn't exactly textbook.
da_monumental_1 said:Willie Pep.
Seriously, Whitaker. For the simple fact that he was a southpaw, with his being closer to the number one knockout punch aka the Left Hook. We have to be honest here. Mayweather's style of fighting isn't exactly textbook.
Yo. That Willie Pep video was nice man.
That shit was sick how he said "I'm going to win this round without even throwing a punch" and then proceeded to win the round on all three judge's cards and he didn't throw a single punch...
The only challenging fight would be against Mosley. That would be worth $50
That's WTF I wanna A QQ...
That's WTF I wanna A QQ...
FJP said:
Yes I'm serious. You do know there was an original eight weight classes? I wish they went back to that and have none of the junior/super shit and all of these sanctioning bodies. It's confusing to the casual fan.
[Second question] Yes, if you don't know something as subtle concerning lbs for a weight class. I could understand your argument if you were being asked for punch stats or the official scorecards of any particular fight. This is just stuff that is common knowledge . Knowledge any hardcore fan of boxing should/would know.
Boxing is littered with the corpses of unsuccessfully attempts to move up in weight. How many boxers have successfully been champions at Lightweight and became champions at Welter?
Off the top of my head out of 100+ years of champions:
Henry Armstrong (held three titles at once, really should have been four total - half of the original eight (featherweight, lightweight, welterweight, middleweight)
Roberto Duran
Pernell Whitaker
Oscar De La Hoya
Shane Mosley
Floyd Mayweather
elchoccolatte said:
Actually, I think Mayweather would look better against Mosley's style than DLH. Mosley's jab doesn't exist. He never had one for that matter. It was always a range finder or pawing jab. You have got to use a jab. A solid jab always negates a speed advantage.
I gave DLH a good chance for the upset because of that. He just abandoned it. Either Floyd took that weapon away, Oscar tired or he had a lapse in concentration.
By the was, Floyd was a little lumped up at the post fight press conference. The jab obviously did some damage.
da_monumental_1 said:
That was the determining factor. He abandoned the jab. However, it seems to me he tired...but who knows..maybe it was something Floyd did or a lack of concentration as well. But the jab was definitely effective.
And like you said..I noticed in the post fight interview.. Floyd was lumped up hella around his eyes.
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